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intothewilde
Sports players get paid for 2-10 years, usually (that's already good). Surgeons 30+ years. It's not as bad as it seems
CatsUpvoteTerror
The average salary for athletes is 30k$
SawhorseJackson
Instead, can we pay the people who taught them like sports stars? Neurosurgeons are amazing, but i think they do alright
SternoTesticularLigament
In US? A Neurosurgeon prob pulling in $500G and up so yeah, 2nd rd pick salary
Thesonshade
Inturn: "Aren't those floors kinda gross?" Doc: "I literally have brains in my mouth."
tacotuesday5000
Pro athletes don’t get paid for their skills, it’s for the money they generate in entertainment. People don’t want to watch a surgery.
infernalcombustionengine
I'd imagine if the need came up they'd watch it every day
wingnut98
One could almost say they are paid because they have a skill in entertaining people and generate money. Almost
tacotuesday5000
They make it as a pro for their skills. They get paid millions because of the entertainment value.
Necromartian
I dunno man, I would have to disagree. No one wants to see a normal guy run 100m but fastest guy? Sign me in. And that's skill
tacotuesday5000
They make it as a pro for their skills. They get paid millions because of the entertainment value.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
But the money they generate in entertainment is *usually, more or less* directly related to their skills.
tacotuesday5000
They make it as a pro for their skills. They get paid millions because of the entertainment value.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
Yes. But the more highly skilled you are, the more entertaining you are to watch. In general. There are exceptions.
CaffeineManic
Well, the patient was probably billed half a million for this.
Feralkyn
They look Asian, so probably not
AsABiologistWhoIsNotFunAtParties
only if it was in the USA
PooPculture
They are paid pretty damn well 320K-900K+ a year
K1NGNAZARA
Not enough
jadedashell
*Laughs in NFL contract money*
Downtake
Meanwhile there’s grown men getting millions of dollars to throw a ball
Shepardsweshallbe
Start sellin tickets for 30,000 people to watch your surgery’s with ad spots, sponsors ,and whatever else sports teams use to afford players
VIadimirPutin
surgeries*
privatepublic
"This lung transplant is brought to you by Marlboro. Come to where the flavor is." - Tony Romo
Ulthirm
Ad space is more or less just a configuration fee. No the real money comes in the other stuff. Merchandising is what made football and
Ulthirm
Basketball the money makers of the US. Stadiums sell that bullshit by the bucketloads per minute.
astrangehop
Or even those hat stores
Shepardsweshallbe
Dr. Smith jerseys for sale number 11 on the roster number 1 in your heart
RxNoob
They do this. Except the tickets are $200k and the spectators are the med students
kr33psh0w
Thanks for the common sense response
jery007
People would pay to watch, I'm sure
Maxobb
It’s pretty much how it was a long time ago
Arimakura
This is a good point with how successful medical drama shows are on. Tv. American way to fix the health care system!
DuckPlanetKing
I’d subscribe to the OBGYN Channel if they start broadcasting check ups and procedures.
TheS4ndm4n
I think pornhub has a channel for you.
HueNost
People tend to go to the doctor because something is wrong.
mreowreow
Or routine pregnancy checkups where everything is completely normal, in OBGYN’s case.
cancerriddenlung
Until you see a video where a woman has gang green in her vagina and the doctor has to remove it.
ThatRandomCanadian
Gangrene*.
cancerriddenlung
That's right...fixate on the misspelling...don't look at the vaginal amputation and extirpation... everything's gonna be alright...put on a
Cervino11th
In order to do that they should operate in a large arena with 50+ thousands attendees and people should cheer about operations
CalumFace
Sure... But could you imagine the fucking mad pressure of not killing the patient in front of a crowd.
DavidBrooker
Attendance is basically negligible to modern sports leagues. The CFL doesn't have much lower attendance than the MLB (and is higher than 1/2
SelestialHD
Ticket prices are different ?
DavidBrooker
Ticket sales are usually just 10-20% of revenues for big teams. It's TV/media revenues.
DavidBrooker
the NBA and NHL), but they pay $50k/yr if you're lucky. It's TV contracts. 2/2
parkway
Well, profits go far beyond number of seats in the stands.
DavidBrooker
To the point where they are basically irrelevant other than as a marketing venture.
KindaSilly
Damn sandals???
cortboLord
But then people complain about medical prices
Naurak
Where's the picture of the techs, anesthesia, and OR nurse at?
SharkMachine
Maybe not...
cananada
doubljt7580
Are they laying on the surgery room floor next to bio-hazard waste?
BraveStrawberry
I mean, they were just wrist deep inside someone’s brain so I think they’re beyond caring about what gets on their surgical attire.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
I don't get why people complain about how much pro athletes make. There's SO MUCH money flying around pro sports, why shouldn't the actual 1
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
people on the field, risking their bodies, get a large cut of it? You really think the rich ass team owner is more deserving than them? 2/2
ccredit1312
700k Average Salary is pretty amazing ..considering avg person makes 32k I don't feel bad for them
Azuril
What do they expect, performing brain surgery on each other at the same time.
MartianBase
I agree. We pay a lot of money for semi-illiterate people that can hit balls, instead of high qualified people that study their whole lives.
ArandomDane
So some become millionaires, while other operate for free?
Bojovnik84
? Like they make bad money or something. Sure, they did a good job, but they are still rolling home in a nice car with a nice house.
PooPculture
Unpopular opinon: the excessive amount of money specialized docs make is a major reason the USA will never have universal healthcare.
farfarawaysaway
We'll probably never have universal health care because we have all these highly trained specialists and enjoy the privilege of using them
dzzah
Being in the industry, it’s not like we’re less specialized in Europe. We do get paid less tough ?
PigAndRooster
Should get paid well by the state to give everyone access to this sort of health care for free. I’d rather fund that than spending over
PigAndRooster
$100 million to send the president on a world-wide golfing expedition
Klingon00
People upvote this then complain about the cost of healthcare...
SidneyHarbor
...then sit down every weekend to tune into the ballgame.
Feralkyn
The cost of healthcare is problematic in general, in the USA at least. Procedures -and- meds there are generally several times to several
Feralkyn
thousand times cost elsewhere. Yes, surgeons should get paid a lot; no, your medication should not be $5000/month. Which is why health
Feralkyn
insurance coverage in terms of a nationwide plan is so difficult to implement there.
mydailydoseofantidepressantsisyourbooty
People generally don’t want affordable healthcare at the cost of health worker salary. Unfortunately, the health worker usually ends up (1)
mydailydoseofantidepressantsisyourbooty
Losing a large portion of their salary when universal healthcare is implemented, but that’s never the goal of universal healthcare. (2)
121992811
Most people who become doctors, don't do it for the money. But they still do get paid at least 100,000 a year. Sometimes more.
nickemartin123456
Neurosurgeons start around $200k and go up to $1mill. But it takes a long time to get there.
iamthisguy247
I’d like to believe you but don’t. A lot of doctors I have known have admitted they did it for the money. But at least they did appreciate>
iamthisguy247
iamthisguy247
SurfHill
I don't know any that didn't do it for the science of it and to help others to some degree. They did pick the specialty though based on $.
iamthisguy247
It’s fairly common from certain cultures. As an Indian (Canadian), I know many raised with that as their goal because it provides a future>
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JESTER31
Yeah at the very least, parents pressure you into Medicine, Law, or Engineering bc of the money and social prestige/status.
warmNchewey
This statement isn't true. It's called a career and you ABDOLUTELY choose them, for the most part, for the stability and income it will prov
mydailydoseofantidepressantsisyourbooty
I chose medicine because I like the field. The money is a nice bonus, but it comes with insane debt, long hours, and not having a job (1)
mydailydoseofantidepressantsisyourbooty
Until I’m 33-35. If you go into medicine for the salary, you’re either naive or an idiot. The stability I get. (2)
warmNchewey
ide. That doesn't mean you solely do it for that, usually you have a Nack or love for parts of your career but this is why we are in the pic
warmNchewey
kle we are in. We told everyone go to college and do what you love...instead of find an interest and a solid career path...and people are ma
warmNchewey
d about it...smh
Onl00kerofMayhem
Gruntingonomatopoet
And then there's my dumbass brain that goes on wondering why they did that to themselves.
Shamorza
Da hell? They did it to someone else???
VerboseDood61
Right! I do my own neurosurgeries.
a1hotshot
Why on earth would they inconvenience themselves to save lives?
Affray
Sounds like you might need them to take a look at what's going on in there.
ComoSeIguana
Sandals? I thought that was a no no.
sorryiguess
Maybe they changed into them after?
Egudahl
Crocs are basically a commercialization of medical surgical sandals. Not sure if it is still best practice but open sandals used to be
ComoSeIguana
I did not know that.
IamTheBestAtDonutEating
The crocs we use dont have holes in them at all. So ilblood doesnt soam socks. Ours are thick enough to stop a dropped scalpel w/o stabbing
TheseAreNotTheVotesYouAreLookingFor
This is brain surgery not open heart surgery. If there is a lot of blood coming from the brain....he ded.
bobstallone
so that's what I was doing wrong
Imgerruinedimger
That very much depends on the surgery. Some are nice and clean and some look like they were operating with a weed whacker after.
BraveStrawberry
And bloody irrigation fluid collects in the pockets of the blue sterile drapes & sometimes it spills out when the patient is undraped.
eddiefuckyoueddie
“The good news is we got the tumors. The bad news is, you now have warts on your feet. Sorry about that. They’re comfy sandals.”
bbrbbailey
You have to wear shoe covers in every OR I have worked in. Ha sandals! Shoe Covers protect OR floors from all the shit on your shoes.
bolobass
Around here you have to wear socks in them
Kleck
Yeah, if you are saving someone's life during 32 hour long procedure... You get to wear whatever the fuck you want.
wazscience
Technically they shouldnt
SelfconsciouslyConfident
Can confirm I’ve seen some weird shit from surgeons.
HinkFlaps
I don’t think you know what a sterile field is, but okay.
MrHerpertDerpington
*stares at smashing pumpkins t-shirt* "Cindy, you can't wear that" "Fuck you, Prof. Dr. Bernstein!"
IIIdkbruh
Berenstain*
MrHerpertDerpington
You must be from the other dimension, huh?
muchusernamesoplanetwow
My guess is China. They sanitize between cases. Not sure the data between this and covering closed toe shoes like in the US
mydailydoseofantidepressantsisyourbooty
They also sanitize between cases in the US.. Close toed shoes is to protect the surgeon. Not the patient.
muchusernamesoplanetwow
Oh I meant the shoes. There is like a communal bucket of shoes in disinfectant.
mydailydoseofantidepressantsisyourbooty
Oh, gotcha. That’s interesting! I wonder if they’ve studied whether that helps at all
DavidBrooker
From a health perspective it's fine. Contamination from feet to incision shouldn't happen. Closed toed footwear might be recommend by 1/2
DavidBrooker
OHSA, but that's for drops, not for sanitary reasons. 2/2
titaniumsnail
Don't wanna stab yourself with a dropped scalpel do you?
DavidBrooker
I mean, I'm not going to tell you how to live your life.
DeNanz
If you drop scalpels, you shouldnt be operating brains xD
nerdyvet
I assure you I have a lot of surgical dexterity...but only when the tool is in my hand. I knock stuff off my table all the time xD
titaniumsnail
Accidents happen, especially considering all the shit surgeons forget inside patients from time to time.
SurfHill
They are paid like rookie third round draft choices.
Unkwnsoldier83
More so paid like XFL players....lol
SurfHill
No, that is the hospital laundry crew.
matchstickmetropolis
In the states at least. I'm not sure about docs in other countries but I think they're paid somewhat less. Still a good living though.
extragarbagedoughnut
“But healthcare should be free.”
BigDaddyHall
My brain surgeon makes 750k per year. In Texas you can look up all state employees. UT football coach is highest paid state employee.
lordtek2718
I mean... it’s not like surgeons get paid in peanuts...95% of humanity would love to earn as much as surgeons...just saying.
ihearyoubarkingbigdog
They get paid plenty. You would stay up for 32 hours strait completing an intricate task to get their salary ... don’t kid yourself
SurfHill
Who said otherwise? I am pointing out that they DO make what sports players make.
ihearyoubarkingbigdog
Yup misread that one. Overpaid mechanics for sure. The one job I can’t wait for automation to kill. Robot doctors will make a better future.
Vaanhalen
And once universal healthcare is passed, they will be paid less than half that.
NastyNateandthewatermelongang
think about it this way, brain surgeon makes around 350K a year US, a decent rookie makes a million. Rookie likely plays 5-7 years
NastyNateandthewatermelongang
both made around the same, but one had a career and invested they other bought lambos and thought it would never stop.
LongDongShiverGiver
Which is still pretty good
JWA32
Yeah I’m not crying for neurosurgeons. Their well paid and deservedly so.
SurfHill
Yup. We need to look at their nurses and PAs, and make sure they start getting taken care of better.
SurfHill
Yup, and while they typically don't move up too far from there, they beat inflation and get it for 30+ years, not the 1.2 season average.
warmNchewey
If you live in the US you start at an average of -200,000 though...
SurfHill
With a 30-50 year career, most will do far better than the average NFL/NBA/NHL player in the end.
WordBearer12
The only problem is that sports stars don't have to pay insanely high fees just to cover their own insurance in case they make a mistake...
SurfHill
Yeah, hey just have high insurance for when they get concussions, bone fractures, etc. Malpractice insurance is too high, but come on.
SurfHill
Before malpractice shot through the roof in the late'80s, MD were paid even better than today relative to the average.
theuberkevlar
Yes but they're also working their ass off in one of the highest pressure jobs for that time. So there's that...
SurfHill
As are the pro athletes, but only for 2-6 years or less in most cases.
theuberkevlar
I wouldn't really consider sports ball games nearly as important or high pressure as working in life-saving situations where the tiniest
WorthEveryPenny
Paid so consistently over their whole careers instead of losing everything in a violent contact sport injury.
stabthecrab
Well they work for 20+ years. With the exception of baseball, no athletes work that long in the big show
SurfHill
Yup. The doctors are very well compensated for generally not being world known personalities.
L1ota
Sports are dumb
iamthisguy247
Maybe, but it’s like all forms of entertainment. They generate a lot of money. I’d rather players get paid well rather than just owners but>
iamthisguy247
SurfHill
But so does everyone else, but demand keeps ticket prices high even more than owners. Owners could cut us a break on food and beer though.
SurfHill
Rookie salary in the NFL assuming not first round pick and plays the whole season is $495,000. Average neurosurgeon makes $350K-$1M a year.
LionFromTheNorth
NHL league minimum is $700k
pizzapartyhard
And there’s what ~800 total NHL players?
LionFromTheNorth
Around 700, but it fluctuates with AHL callups etc.
Chrondore
So basically you're saying they should be paid at least NBA 1st rd. Rookie contracts? Yes, I agree!
SurfHill
And they are, generally speaking. Or better.
Chrondore
Or maybe, just a thought.. We should stop worshipping athletes got gud at throwing a ball
SurfHill
They are working within the market of their profession. They work hard to get there and have a limited shelf-life.
SurfHill
Doctors work within the artificial limits(Medicare set rates) of their profession, they work hard to get there, and have a long career life.
Habbadax
Heey, just enough to stay barely ahead of the student debt!
mydailydoseofantidepressantsisyourbooty
Bear in mind that the average Neurosurgeon works >50hrs/wk while athletes likely work less given 1/3-1/2 of the year is the off season. (1)
mydailydoseofantidepressantsisyourbooty
This is especially true when you take into account that neurosurgery hours are underestimated b/c a large part of work is done at home (2)
mydailydoseofantidepressantsisyourbooty
And not accounted for in surveys. (3.end)
SenorButt
I think you're under estimating the hours am athlete puts in. There aren't off seasons, as they are always working out (hours at a time).
henryvk
That's very specific to the US healthcare system though. Other places not even there chief of medicine makes that much money.
Cutwail
Around 200k-500k in my country and they don't have any student debt.
SurfHill
In some other place, the Chief makes 5x that much. But, except for soccer and F1, athletes don't make that sort of money overseas either.
LoudBirb
Generally, though, in those places doctors don't graduate with between $500k and $1m in student loans.
BraveStrawberry
Private practice neurosurgeons could potentially make even more.
SurfHill
If they are making over $1M, it is from their share of the work of the younger docs in the practice. $1M is close to the max one can bill.
BraveStrawberry
I’m not talking about what they can bill, I’m talking about their gross income. I work with neurosurgeons, but sure, I’m wrong.
SurfHill
Just saying that their time in the OR and even making rounds and office visits isn't bringing in $1m. There are other sources of the income.
BraveStrawberry
I believe I also said “potentially” which I hope I don’t have to explain means that it would not be the average salary of a neurosurgeon.
SurfHill
NFL average career is 3.3 years, with few making it past 6 years and most drafted not making it to game one.
PopeyeTheSailor
Wonder how many will retire if it comes around
SamArt53
I believe the 3.3 years avg and few making it past 6 years, but the last stat: “most drafted not making it to game one.” Sauce please.
SoapyWandKenobi
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
Doctors would likely come out of school with an enormous amount of debt, though.
SurfHill
Yeah, but their earning potential is HUGE and can pay it off far quicker than the nurses that support them if they do it right.
mydailydoseofantidepressantsisyourbooty
Average nursing debt is 55k. Average medical school debt is 230k. That’s 4-5x the debt for 4-5x the yearly pay. Now consider the fact (1)