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thesoundbutnotthefury
M wife designs schools and they make it so that you can see a shooter coming with clear sight lines and evacuate.
CoffeeGrumbler
Clear sight lines only help in IDing the shooter before the first shot. After that, the screams and gunshots are all you need.
jrabbitmusic
mektel
School can't change gun law, but can better protect. An unfortunate, but wise move on their part.
patismaximus
BuT mUh GuNs!!
burpmortyburp
Muh guns and my lack-of-access-to-mental-healthcare!!!! Freedooooom!!
PerthAussieMike
Truly, 'The Onion' is now obsolete with these kind of stories :(
jmtpl1973
The Onion may need to start stories about how the guns are actually killing people or how vaccines save lives
godzilladc
The Onion's reporting on mass shootings is actually the only sane reporting in America on the subject.
LoTRFanatic42
"'No way to prevent this,' says only county in the world where this regularly happens."
godzilladc
That's the one.
ElbowDeepInUserSub
The Onion has been killing it lately, I don't know what moon you're from.
Loctavius
This isn't new. The high school I taught in a few years back was designed for the same reason over 20 years ago post-Columbine.
ForgotMyOtherAcct
same, my high school (built shortly post columbine) was overall a giant circular hallway.
rumandbass
That.. Doesn't make it better.
Loctavius
I agree, just saying this isn't a new concept.
Lobo82
Oh, America. Where we have gun care and health control. SMH
ButterworthToast
Oh man, this is horrifying. I'm so sorry you lot have to actually ready you're children for murder. I couldn't imagine it.
tobyisagoodboy
The only thing that scares me about the school they built is that someone is definitely going to see it as a challenge.
HypnoJack
I've heard today's US children were better mentally/emotionally prepared for an eventual attack than Congress was on Jan 6.
burpmortyburp
It’s pretty sad but yeah, the interns and young congressional staff knew what to do because of all the active shooter drills in school.
YouNeedAJacketAndImLowOnGas
The day my daughter came home from preschool at the age of 5 and told me they did 'lockdown practice' my heart broke into a million pieces.
ButterworthToast
Bloody hell man, I'm really sorry.
Longbowgun
Has an expert in physical security I look at both the ability to defend and assault every building I walk into.
Longbowgun
Every school (both public & private) I've ever been in has been an exceedingly soft target. Many ignore the need for bullards.
IFoundOutThatYouCanHave63CharactersOntheUsernameHowCoolIsThat
Honestly, if you graduated from an American Highschool, i'd just congratulate you for surviving it.
lamagra22
Yet again we would rather react to and treat symptoms but not the underlying cause. 'Merica!
Arcian
They will issue body armor to kindergarteners before they regulate the sale of firearms.
CambreathdTheSecound
They already do... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGxGzD8l3Hg
HypnoJack
It'll be part of the dress code. Get sent home if you show up to class without your kevlar vest.
PerthAussieMike
And parents would have to bear the cost. Rich kids get kevlar, poor kids get a frying pan strapped to the chest
YouNeedAJacketAndImLowOnGas
They already tried issuing guns to teachers
AreYouABadPerson
And promptly had a bunch of negligent discharges in classrooms to prove why that's a bad idea.
YouNeedAJacketAndImLowOnGas
I love how the answer to guns is more guns lol
Sonorum
Good old WW1 architecture. If it works in trenches it will work in american schools. You guys go through about the same amount of ammo.
HypnoJack
I've read comments on Imgur this month about how safe the US actually is despite mass shootings. I guess it is if you don't know any better.
ItIsMaM
The chance of being in a school shooting is the same as winning the lotto while getting struck by lighting on the 29th of February.
SilverHornet
[citation needed]
HypnoJack
I said "mass shootings". Not just "school". Just because you may live through the week doesn't mean your neighbours will. Don't be selfish.
ItIsMaM
Mass shooting is the same thing, the chance is astronomical. Far more likely to die in a car crash or falling down the stairs. ??♂️
jouhaanDesign
That somehow makes it better? This is called ‘false equivalence’, you’re comparing apples with pears. Don’t be stubborn.
AreYouABadPerson
So clearly there's just nothing to be done about it and no one should even try, right?
Fyreworx
That's not the best, hey.
MiasmaCorrigan
We're recreating spiral staircases, seriously
rumandbass
But that was just to save space... Or are you referring to castles?
MiasmaCorrigan
Spiral staircases were originally used in castles to strategically defend castles from invaders by restricting movements on the enemy's side
psychologisttheologist
While I don't disagree with the ultimate sentiment, we design most things with the worst case scenario in mind. Cars have airbags? Are you >
psychologisttheologist
Planning to crash?! Airplanes have floating seat cushions? I guess you expect your planes to become submarines. I agree that shootings are a
psychologisttheologist
Problem, but the argument is kinda dumb because the safety features are nearly always for the very small chance something does go wrong
heyletsbefriends
ILikedTheirOldStuffBetter
Whitebromyalgia
coloredgreyscale
found a balance where I'm neither well informed nor sane.
Ceistebi
This is why I have a therapist.
sysaphiswaits
I do to, but the last year and a half? Still lost it for a few months. Had to leave work ‘cause “staying informed” is part of my job.
AyeRight
This sums up my feelings exactly but I didn’t know how to word it.
Weeberman
Lil bean said it for us. Just stay hydrated and keep moving forward.
tonalstates
I’ve seen friends battle with depression to then find out they follow tons of “justice” “liberal” “animal rights” pages where they always //
tonalstates
See posts of people either missing, killed, videos and pics of suffering animals, even of people hurting them (to find them) literally //
PicassoCT
Julin Festival? Two words for a major depression.
tonalstates
everyday. And I too want a safe place, and correct justice system and also to not hurt animals but watching that everyday, man, I can’t //
tonalstates
so I stopped following all that cept for like 3 major news pages and followed tons of artists and groups for my interests so it’s nice now
coloredgreyscale
In a similar spirit it may also help to steer clear of crash / fail / public freak out compilation channels on yt
Naramumu
His name means he's Christian the son of a Christian.
IvanWestenbrug
Those are some really good ideas. Or, or hear me out we do something about fun control and the mental health of those who use them
HypnoJack
"do something about fun control"....who made you the party pooper?
YouNeedAJacketAndImLowOnGas
Don't you dare control the fun.
SergeyPrkl
Take care of the people with issues, so you can still keep your guns. Free or cheap healthcare system is a good thing.
tlamstrike
Even Giffords.org is starting to say this. Intervention programs to stop the violence before it starts is the key. The Pro-2A crowd has①
tlamstrike
been saying this for years and finally the Anti-2A crowd is learning.②
SergeyPrkl
This is normal practice in western world. Only the developing countries have this kond of issues because lack of infrastructure.
SergeyPrkl
And it is even worse, because US has the infra, but no will to use it. It makes the country clasified as developing. Lack of basic edu too.
UnluckyLunkhead
I've never had a 'shooter' (mass or otherwise) drill in my life, and I don't know anyone else has had one. But then I live in the UK.
palatinekatinka
Had some bomb scare evacuations, but never shooters, back in Northern Ireland.
barnwolf
I never had a shooter drill in my life either. But then I live in the US... and I'm old.
RiskIt4ABiscuit
In the US we call them code blue drills, we do them about the same frequency as fire drills.
KommissarLyus
I never had a mass shooter drill and I live in the US. Then again I graduated back in 2009 before they started doing this shit.
in70x
I graduated in 08 we didn’t really have active shooter drills but we had lockdowns
KommissarLyus
Only experienced one lockdown, but it was because they landed a helicopter at the football field to medivac someone.
evilcarp
So just air raid drills.
UnluckyLunkhead
Well I'm not that old, but my parents would have for sure. A German bomb landed in a field close to my mother's house. Didn't improve stuff.
americgold689097
Or they could have spent money on a mental health department, ya know, nip the problem in the bud. But whatever...
LordNergal
Nope. Due to delegation of powers, most of the responsibility for mental healthcare ended up under the purview of the states last time. 1/
LordNergal
That's why the mental healthcare system was on the verge of collapse when Carter was elected. Now, imagine what the Republicans in Alabama 2
LordNergal
might do if they get that control again. 3/3
michagoose
This makes the assumption that they built the high school to deal with the gun problem and not b/c they needed a new high school.
americgold689097
Right, but it's safe to assume that extra features like this costed more.
thevortexmaster
We have the same amount of mental health problems (1 in 5) in Canada with an equally shitty system yet we don't have shootings like you
WarlockRaven
You have a fraction of the guns the US has. Also the protection of the US vs tons of things that never reaches your border. You're welcome
thevortexmaster
Obviously. Drop that welcome shit. I hate that. All the guns, drugs comes through you guys or overseas. You're not protecting squat.
thevortexmaster
Not to sound snarky but I can't stand a statement ending with you're welcome when I didn't even thank you.
Spaceorbisgaming
So the shooter finds out where everybody goes and goes there. What a dumb idea.
CoffeeGrumbler
The shooter has limited access once the lockdown happens.
TheSilverSeraph
Not just that. A lot of school shooters go to the school they shoot up. They would be told and would know where all the hiding places are
bucbucbuc
The curved hallways definitely sound like they would help
PhyshStycc
Oh boy places to hide so we can get all the kids in one place so the shooter knows exactly where to go and can get right to it
Godawful8888
They've stopped shooting up schools anyway. Now its grocery stores & malls
LordNergal
It's nice from a bullying perspective. Breaking up lines of sight makes it easier for bullies to ambush victims.
Ozzy98
More like places where kids will hide from teachers to trade some "stuff" that may or may not be legal.
DoorbyTheHouseShelf
The idea is that they don't find you. We were taught to all get in a corner along the wall in the classroom with the lights off, so that the
DoorbyTheHouseShelf
Room looks empty to the shooter. Now having designated spots that all students know about seems kinda dumb, since that'll be the first to go
Ponderpoo
Active shooter drill so the shooter ends up knowing exactly how to plan it.
ohbotherwhatdoiput
Its security theater. The purpose isn't safety. The purpose is A: Show parents the school is doing something. B: Motivate parents to support
ohbotherwhatdoiput
gun control.
shano510
Aren't most school shootings conducted by students? Students who would go through the active shooter drills and know exactly where to go?
DougDeNasty
We did this at work. The hide room all have glass windows you can look in to from the hall.
kkanne20
DuckPlanetKing
Thats a shitty hiding place.
Gherkincensed
...bulletproof glass?
Gherkincensed
I asked, but I know the answer is no
mellymelie
That just sounds terrifying
DougDeNasty
I pointed it out, but nobody took it seriously. Then we had a shooting event at one of our sites. I should go see if they changed the setup
SirMarcsalot
Or fend them off from a vantage point until the authorities arrive. Just my 2c.
jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj2
Or, and hear me out here, maybe shape a society that doesn't need schools to be designed by military tacticians
Bauza51
Just like medieval castle defense architecture
LizzyTheEdgy
I remember my ALICE training saying if we were trapped in active gunfire we were to throw our textbooks. Kids arent fending off active
LizzyTheEdgy
shooters, hell, find me a case where the police had the damn balls to go after said shooter themselves without SWAT.
KawaNyx
Think a school police person ran the other way when the shooter started shooting. Legit dipped on his duty.
Beezlebubble
Wasnt there one cop who got into some trouble for staying close by or something during an active shooter scenario? Or am I
berithwow
School police are the lowest of the totem pole officers. They are there to give a false sense of security.
iamthisguy247
Maybe it’s something where it locks from the inside.
SergeyPrkl
Knock knock... Who's there? umm... POLICE!?
Ozzy98
A room that locks from the inside with students around is just asking for trouble.
Orzufancylad
The idea is that there are a lot of them, so it would take longer for the shooter to reach each group of kids. Just slows them down.
d1337er
Aren't you just describing a classroom then? Lmao
Orzufancylad
No, not really. More like smaller cubbies that can only hold 3-5 children as it has been described.
d1337er
I guess that works... Still fucked that it's come to this
Orzufancylad
Preaching to the converted there.
Tarmaccian
This. Mitigation (not avoidance) against an active shooter is to slow their attack until help arrives. It’s mainly to minimize victim count.
agonarch
Yeah but don't most of these end when someone tackles the shooter that they see reloading? Won't this make it worse by letting them?
Asatani
"Ahem! We are aware that some of them are going to die anyways... But not all of them."
Longbowgun
In terrorist attacks you can only mitigate you cannot eliminate completely. If a terrorist believes his target is too hard to effectively1/2
Tarmaccian
Um… yes. When considering mitigation, that’s exactly the goal. It’s another layer of defense-in-depth. “Nobody gets hurt” already failed.
Asatani
I was being sarcastic, but thanks.
IrishCyko
I only recently learned about "bullet proof" school bags. The fact that they exist is saddening.
tlamstrike
Any backpack is pullet proof if you stick the number of books in it we give to students today.
AndNowForSomethingCompletelyDifferentdk
Are they made like bulletproof wests, with kevlar?
hirosjimma
Some even have a kevlar thing you can pull out and wrap around yourself. Hard plate in the back and kevlar all around your vitals...
omh2
Pretty much, usually just a "plate" (can be flexible material) of NIJ II or IIA armour in the back part
RydWolf
???? ??????? ?? ???????? '?? ??' ??? ?? "?????????? ?????? ?????????™". ???? ??????? ?? ??? ??????????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??????????.
Thelrishlnquistion
America is a fucked up shit hole.
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
That seems a little generous. I would go with unconscionable atrocity of resource management
QuiGonChuck
It's amazing how ignorant this statement is. Guarantee you've never been outside the continental US before that wasn't a resort somewhere
TheresnoDanaonlyZuul
Been to Honolulu? Ya, outside Waikiki it’s a total shithole. Pearl City is a dump. I heart Hawaii but unfortunately it has it’s reality
KoalaOnTheJuice
???? In my experience it's precisely those people who go around assuming the US is the greatest place on earth.
QuiGonChuck
Typically yeah, but now these keyboard warriors just regurgitate liberal propaganda like they're their own original thoughts
burpmortyburp
Damn liberal propaganda saying that maybe we should reduce the amount of dead school children by some incremental amount! Muh Freedoms!!
Thelrishlnquistion
There it is
thevortexmaster
You assume they're American
Dondarian
As an American, I completely feel that we're a nation of absolute morons that have been brainwashed into not giving a fuck about own people.
Thelrishlnquistion
What the fuck would you know about were I’ve been?
SignHerePlease
Well as a non-American who has been to America many times... I liked the people and being a visitor... But US politics, policies, propaganda
SignHerePlease
All those were, and are, super fucked up. It's a barely functional society at this point. A 3rd world country in all but name
Thelrishlnquistion
This. A third world shit hole with a big stick.
JojosCandyBaron
A colombian there, yes our country is a shithole but at least we're concious about it. EE.UU is a shithole disguised as a 5 star hotel》
KoalaOnTheJuice
Totally cool dude, it's just the arrogance of the EE.UU that needs a reality check so they can work through their issues.
JojosCandyBaron
Damn autocucumber: a colombian here*
JojosCandyBaron
Where politicians of both bands brags about it and their people believe it without a trace of doubt
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
Spoken like someone who’s only visited resorts lmao
QuiGonChuck
5 years Navy, been to Naples, Lisbon, Cypress, Jebel Ali, Dubai, Haiti, and the DR. Go back to your video games, kid
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
Wow what an amazing sample of totally developed countries to compare us to.
AreYouABadPerson
No one gives a fuck, dude. Trying to pretend there aren't plenty of parts of the US that are basically 3rd world shitholes ain't impressive.
wellitseemedlikeagoodideaatthetime
Oh so you were a crewman on a ship? So you got like a few hours outside and now you think you travelled? Typical yank
Thelrishlnquistion
SmugandFurry
So, you hung around the areas specifically created for the yahoos who stumble off boats to buy trinkets, booze, and street food?
QuiGonChuck
No
TheOtherBoleynGirl
You're a really delightful blend of ignorant and arrogant.
SmugandFurry
Dude got off the boat, ate some “weird” street food, bought some souvenirs, and now he’s a grizzled, hard-bitten world traveler. ?
RunningInSpaces
Then you should know the US has become a shit hole unless you already have money. Paycheque to paycheque living is the norm.
QuiGonChuck
Imagine that same situation, but without clean running water and shit electrical service, if any.
JumalautaPerkele
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
This may be the only time I wish a delicious bubble booty was a LOT smaller.
im2short2die
LizzyTheEdgy
Man not even the future war cults want us anymore, America managed to surpass mad max without water shortages
DiminishingCapacity
...yet
LizzyTheEdgy
Oh yes, we've about tapped our aquafers, The droughts are coming for certain
SmokyDoggg
ImAfraidYoureAllPsychosSoIMadeThisAccount
This was still the funniest shit to happen during his "presidency". I just couldn't believe what I was seeing was real.
ComeOnManYouHadOneJobToDo
I would like to see proof. We just built a school and it had sliding doors that could be moved to open the entire floor and seat 200+ people
DaniaAudax
It all started going downhill when they said Civics wasn’t a requirement to graduate high school.
MrChurch
I had a '90 civic when I graduated. It had, like, 70hp but got almost 40mpg.
euphoricopportunity
Well, they called it "Participation in Government" when I took it in 2000 in NYS, and it was required. The teacher hated me bc I am a lefty.
euphoricopportunity
Ah PIG. I probably would have liked the class if anyone else taught it, but the teacher had open disrespect for much of the class.
imissmaplesyrup
What is civics class? Genuine Q
shotgunz
Like where they teach you how government works. What the aspects of citizenship are and what the duties are.
shotgunz
It basically educates people on how stuff really works so you're able to make informed decisions on how you vote etc
imissmaplesyrup
Neat. I feel like those were split up into different subjects for my own education. Never had a civics class offered.
ztygs
It isn't over! This will be taken to the supreme court! Sorry, I meant supreme courtyards by Marriott.
BulkSausage
BahamutBBob
Is Cloud Atlas even worth watching? I've literally seen nobody talk about it outside of Rick & Morty, and comments on a post yesterday.
Golgothanworm
Meh
missannelk
The movie is quite good, but the book is an amazing, unforgettable experience.
ForgotMyOtherAcct
I quite enjoyed the movie in theaters a few years back, haven't read the book, but people are liking it here so maybe I'll try it.
HeavenOrHellLetsRock
Yes
HeadJamistan
Absolutely worth watching.
Nalianna
Yes, it's worth it. but if you have a 2 monitor setup, have the wiki article open on other monitor.
someusername12837
Cloud Atlas is one of the best films i've watched, an amazing overarching narrative of humanity's pursuit of freedom
someusername12837
Weaves multiple stories across time, each story with its own film genre, while all referencing one another.
KevlarKobra
When 4 seasons was a bigger deal than the hair color leak is when i realized that i'm old and not in touch with what you kids like any more.
DarthFelipe
I still can't believe this really happened
keenidiot
Honestly, me too. Added that a good politician could have spun it easily towards a blue collar bonus.
DarthFelipe
I mean, I believe but when I explain it to someone else it sounds stupid coming from my own mouth
SparklDriver
Wulph421
brdmuffinman
Must be fuckin nice.
DeanParadise
My friend doesn’t get it...
JustASlightJingleOfPocketChangePulsing
What part?
HeySuperVillainsIGetIt
The picture is of trumped team giving an interview press conference on front of 4 seasons lawn and garden /1
HeySuperVillainsIGetIt
Because they fucked up and booked there instead of the 4 seasons hotel.
Sjama
Satire = political jokes that exaggerate actual problems. In the last few years actual politics became like satire. In the multiverse theory
redpandabanana
Basically when the onion becomes real news
Sjama
(that Rick & Morty makes use of) we are the dimension where there is no difference between satire and politics.
ShiftingPattern
Satire isn't strictly political.
HasteTheFool
EVERYTHING is political.
justeandj
Ehh, it's most commonly political in some form or another. "Ridicule of people's stupidity and/or vices, particularly in political context."
ShiftingPattern
particularly != inherently
Orzufancylad
The president's lawyer got the four seasons hotel and four seasons landscaping confused and had a presser there.
ThereWillBeDownvotes
Former president*. He's no longer entitled to that title.
eddbrowne
Putin says "hold my beer".
gilliamv
Orzufancylad
I was explaining it from the time period, but yes, former.
PrincessLeliana
Or you could, ya know. Tackle gun control and mental healthcare.
TheValleyofGwangi1
You’re a young person aren’t you?
cryogenian
What?! And actually resolve the issues? You talkin’ crazy man.
cavemans
Gun control isn't the answer here. Fixing g our fucked up Healthcare and poverty is.
IvorJBiggun
You first buddy. Let me know if you get anywhere
SteveMND
There's no profit in that!
hamburgerous
You may as well so all three. Even if they started actually trying to solve it now it'll take a while. And they're not going to try.
gloriousgabro9000
Tbf, it's much more realistic to build a school in a way that reduces casualties than to hope for American politics to change.
omnicorpse
Yeah and the kids can all wear back packs that double as ballistic shields.
SergeyPrkl
Propably the mental health part is enough. There are many, many countries that have lots of guns without such issues. many ends to ...istan
LordNergal
Delegation of powers meant that, last time, mental healthcare ended up mainly the purview of the states. Imagine how much worse it will be 1
LordNergal
this time around with how the states are currently run. Just imagine. 2/2
ImShocked
Thats a lot of down votes. Fucking a thats a weird thing to disagree with.
IvorJBiggun
People are aware of the futility of pushing back against the firearms industry and the politicians they own
JHawkInc
He’s acting like it’s a magic wand that would fix everything, and like they chose to build the school this way instead of doing anything 1/?
JHawkInc
else. The reality is that this is something they can do NOW, since clearly gun/healthcare reform isn’t happening quickly. This school will 2
JHawkInc
also protect kids from any cases that slip through the cracks of gun/healthcare reform, as well as threats not covered by either of those 3/
JHawkInc
to begin with. It’s extremely narrow minded to type up a condescending remark from miles away from the anonymity of the Imgur app, and ?/?
Corduroyrockhopper
Architecture is easier! /s
glassware
But we avoid gun control by pretending that anyone committing mass murder with guns must be mentally ill instead of just angry and armed!
HypnoJack
"You can easily go on a killing spree in a school with a knife or a car! Taking guns away solves nothing!" /s
Arcticstorm141
Mental health care,and then gun control, kids wouldn't need the gun if someone listened
Dudeitsausername
Nah, just give everyone a gun and the problems will work themselves out.
Jawesome19
Nah yhe construction workers will fix it don't worry about it
BunchaCrunchOfHuman
And supremacy fallacies
borocanuck
It’s a question of span of control. Wishing awaY risks and problems should be left to Twitter.
Kakeukh
But how could the 1% profit from this?!?
mity0k23
Or you can do both.
BaronSpaghetti
But the dumbest people you went to high school with will be upset!
kingbudo101
problem with gun control is the only viable option is red flag laws entirely because of the sheer amount of guns per person in the /1
kingbudo101
country even if we ban private ownership of guns today, it would take 100 years to full recover them all. while red flag laws allow you to/2
kingbudo101
take guns away from potentially risky people. Also fuck open carry.
SeasonedCitizen
"But but but muh rights...."
HypnoJack
"They're coming to take your guns!" is one of the best ways for the Right to keep their voters hating the Left.
RobErtE87
And then it would still be smart to design a school that way.. because just 1 shooter in 100 years would make it worth it, no?
Fusrodah24
Too expensive, doesn't make money
troawai
Tackling those is important, but it’s not a magic button that will instantly change the country, so you need things like this too.
LordNergal
We tried. Problem is delegation of powers. States ended up in charge of most of the mental healthcare. Thus why our system was in a 1/
LordNergal
failure state after the 1950s and well on its way to total collapse by the time Carter was elected. 2/2
RVAALLDAY
Tbh we made our bed with guns.... ppl get mad when I say it but.try to take them away now. Ppl will surely die. There’s too many in USA
RVAALLDAY
If they went door to door taking ppls guns I’d give mine up for sure. But some Americans are fkn insane bro... it’s too late to control it.
martineb72
I doubt we would ever be completely safe. Even if we had sensible gun control, safer but still. The US would never take away all the guns.
aqualite0608
How are there even downvotes on this?
S33KER
because this is the only measure a school can take and gun reforms takes time
HypnoJack
Well consider how many votes Donald Trump got in 2020 even after the last four years.
analnipple666
Lmao@38 downvotes, y'all make absolutely no sense ?
AnonsAndMinions
aInternetFlyer
Just waiting for boomers to die off. Hopefully they take all the anti-vax with.
MrHailstone
Win1forthegifer
BuT WhO’s GuNnA pAy FoR iT? We do...every time. It’s like companies that lay off expensive specialized workers thinking they’re saving money
grizel
NOOOO! 'Murica must remain freeeeeeeeeee!!!!! A few children dead every now and then is a small price to pay. Don't tread on meee! /s
HowlingStump
USA prefer gun care and health control
PimpinKen
Especially if they aren't white! Who cares about people of color!?! /s
LefthandedLink
a few dead kids just keeps the rest on their toes! Cull the herd to make the rest stronger! /s (i hate myself for even typing that...)
tomok666
have hope, we all hate you too
LefthandedLink
isaypoopythingabecausemostofyouannoyme
What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger!
TwoFlower68
What doesn't kill me is weak
tomok666
that's why we go around crushing and destroying nice things
Anewandoriginalname
And what doesn't make you stronger, should, at least, make you funnier.
LefthandedLink
it usually just makes me weirder and harder to relate to. but i have gotten some good jokes out of the experiences. win some lose some.
Heavenissize17socks
During the BLM protests, our police forces were shooting at people on their porches. Just sayin'.
AnonsAndMinions
Nobody said this wasn't an issue. The point is in order to help SCHOOL SHOOTINGS. Obviously yes, the police need to be reformed as well.
IdiotSavantTinker
The police kill more each year than have died in mass shootings.
dotbsp
But hey, only police should have guns, at least that’s what’s being suggested by all the big brains here.
IdiotSavantTinker
I don't think anyone has seriously suggested that. Maybe some rich out of touch assholes.
imabigasstree
I know I don't speak for everyone, but I'm pretty sure most people on imgur agree that cops definitely should not have guns
Kingdomonsterdeath
Yeah take firearms away from everyone except on duty military. You want to go hunting, rent a rifle and 5 rounds. Should be enough
rd77Runner
they should have education, training and maybe after that guns... same for the civilians... mandatory military rotation before guns?
bvbowalrus
Work on actually enforcing the gun laws that are already in place…
TheCrispiestNoodles
As an American, I feel like we’re too far gone now. The hole is so deep there’s no feasible way of getting out.
ViolentVibrator
Excuse me.. you are attacking people's rights!! /s
Aurumai
What kind of gun control, specifically, would stop mass shootings? Genuinely curious about what people speculate would put an end to it.
Jusmar
Many of the most recent newsworthy ones could be fixed by helping people cope with mental breakdowns before they turn to violence.
RVAALLDAY
If the perpetrator was willing to address it. 85% won’t. Try again
Jusmar
I'd imagine because any type of crisis management the U.S has puts you in the looney bin and poor house.
Aurumai
That's not really gun control though.
amdkenobi
Better healthcare and better working conditions would solve the vast majority of these issues.
cavemans
So not gun control. Stop going after guns and fix these issues.
amdkenobi
Exactly.
0TwoSandals0
centralized cloud database of gun registration linked with mental health records/background checks, gun safety training - 1st time owners..
YouNeedAJacketAndImLowOnGas
America also glorifies gun culture. To be an 'American' you have to be willing to shoot anything all the time or else you're a "wuss".
Aurumai
I've never heard of anything like that.
culinarydream7224
Ban semi-automatics at a minimum. Fuck em, I'm sick of dealing with this shit
Aurumai
You understand that's like 98% of all "standard" guns, right? Maybe read up on semi vs full auto.
culinarydream7224
Idgaf how many there are, make them illegal. You want your litlle shooty toys? Fine. Have fun with single action
DenounceAll
I don’t think you understand what semi-automatic means. Or how prohibition of prevalent items usually turns out
culinarydream7224
Right, because gun bans aren't working in multiple western nations across the globe. I do know what a semi-auto is and we don't need them.
SeekyTheFox
You know how few shootings happen with rifles? Handguns account for around 98%+ of all firearm deaths. Mental health is the issue not guns.
culinarydream7224
Ban semi-automatic handguns
miivollu
And .22 LR is the most used caliber in handgun shootings. It will be very difficult to get .22lr banned in the US.
codnuggets
I don't know why you're being down voted. Its simple math. Manual/lever/pumps can take out less people in a short time. They're not used in¹
codnuggets
Mass shootings. Automatic are, because they do the job. People who want guns for self defense or hunting don't use automatic. Why on earth²
DenounceAll
You’re conflating your terms. Automatic weapons are very rare and uncommon and have near zero instance of use in shootings. ~90% of weapons
kk4c
Semi auto is very popular for hunting and self defense. Full auto is heavily restricted and basically impossible for average people already
tlamstrike
malakim
First of, have all guns stay in gun-safes (that get inspected regularly). No ammo hoarding, max amount of ammo in the house.
Aurumai
How would you mandate inspections? And what would gun safes and inspections do to stop mass shootings?
malakim
Only give out guns to people who have a need for them. Hunters, sport-shooters.
Aurumai
The constitution protects peoples' right to own firearms period, not just for hunting or sport.
malakim
All that is obviously only the gun control side. Having basic (mental) healthcare available that won't financially cripple you helps too.
bottledham
None. That genie is already out of the bottle. A complete ban on guns wouldn't solve it. Mental health is the cause of mass shootings.
RVAALLDAY
I 100% agree we made our bed tbh there’s not much we can do now. There’s too many.
RideTheStimutacs
Stop this stigma against mental illness. The vast majority of shooters have no condition. It's usually self-entitled boys angry at society.
TheOneAndOnlyButtStabber
They are products of our trash society and trash *insert anything the government touches*
omh2
Sure it would the US would not be the first country to go from lax gun regulation to a ban. It takes a while but removing guns from
omh2
circulation starts with stopping the influx of new guns. The overwhelming majority of guns used in crime are originally from legal sources
tlamstrike
It would take at least a century to remove guns from circulation. https://youtu.be/gfaWQd4njB0
thevortexmaster
We have the same prevalence of mental health issues in Canada and our coping system sucks as well. We don't have those types of shootings
TheOneAndOnlyButtStabber
Alot of Americans are to busy chasing the american dream to notice the fingers they step on along the way then when they do they don't care.
TheOneAndOnlyButtStabber
Also I'm American, I'm disgusted with the world. Pop culture needs to die and positive vibes culture needs to come back.
myotheralt
What would it cost to visit a therapist?
thevortexmaster
Depends really as they're all private. I went to one at $200 an hour they can be more or less
Imalwaysready
Not to mention more than half these guys would pass any psyche test you gave them. They like to focus on the obviously insane to distract.
TedDansoninthedark
Not stop. Reduce. Basic fucking background checks. Don't sell guns to people with history of violence or mental health issues. Good start.
Aurumai
We already do both of those things.
Heavenissize17socks
History of mental health issues needs help, not gun control.
GuillermoRojo
What is disqualifying though apart from a criminal conviction which already is? Say I seek help for anxiety and now I can’t get guns?
GuillermoRojo
Felony criminal conviction. And violent misdemeanors.
carnivoroussamurai
We already do that
CubbyPawws
Tons of loopholes that are easily exploited and its way too hard to get on the "no buy" list
cavemans
They don't enforce the gun laws on the books already. Why would more help.
omh2
We really don't given that there are massive fucking loopholes that mean it is entirely legal to acquire guns with no background checks
ridge
What loopholes?
joebellson
I really think it’s mental health. And I really think it’s due a lot to these various psych meds.
bottledham
Any evidence psych meds cause mass shootings, or do you just suspect or dislike psych meds?
BunchaCrunchOfHuman
Most school shooters are middle class white males. They are despondent operating under the idea the world owes them something
joebellson
Yeah, I think they congregate in these chat and forums and all feed into each other too.
BunchaCrunchOfHuman
I don't like terms like incel because of the stigma. It creates fertile radicalizing ground. Imo
freeandydufresne
thevortexmaster
1in 5 Americans and 1 in 5 Canadians will experience mental health problems and we both have crappy coping systems. Yet we don't have>>>>
thevortexmaster
Mass or school shootings like you guys. I think it's a combination of population density, glorification, mental health and ease of access
joebellson
Do Canadians prescribe a bunch of different psych meds? I haven’t looked lately but I know years ago every school shooter was on a psych med
thevortexmaster
Definitely. To see a psychologist it's a wait and expensive if you can get in. To see a psychologist it's a referral and up to months all>>>
Nikarion
"But mah school shooting rights!" - GOP, definitely.
FarmerFrance
Mental healthcare and minimum wage would nearly solve it long term but affects wouldn't be apparent for years..
AwesomeDutchy
Is that a reason to not do it tho?
FarmerFrance
As far as mental health and min wage, yes full stop. It's just not going to satisfy the rabble rabble folks for a while.
FarmerFrance
As far as gun control goes, background checks are great but going after "weapons of war" and "ghost guns" is silly security theater.
frankbarista
If we do that how can we as citizens sponsor those expensive lifestyles of our governments and lobbyists?! Lol
EvilKam
Tackle mental healthcare, and you solve gun control.
SteveMND
Mental healthcare is often the root of the problem of gun violence, but not always. We really need much, much more widespread reforms.
hardytardigrade
Not if you also ignore gun control.
Astrospud
You can be cruel and violent and radicalised without a mental illness. I'd argue most mass shooters are healthy, but violent and enabled.
EvilKam
Healthy or violent, which is it? If you're unstable enough to have an anger problem, you're not healthy. I've lived with anger for decades.
Astrospud
Good point.
BiggestofBears
Gotcha. No other country has mental health problems. You're right. Which political party stands up as healthcare advocates again?
thevortexmaster
1in 5 Americans and 1 in 5 Canadians will experience mental health problems and we both have crappy coping systems. Yet we don't have>>>>
thevortexmaster
Mass or school shootings like you guys. I think it's a combination of population density, glorification, mental health and ease of access
SirBagels
If controlling access didn't work we wouldn't be trying to restrict Iran's access to nuclear material. Ease of access is an issue here.
thevortexmaster
No doubt eh
FatherAlexanderAnderson
It's far easier to build panic rooms than to regulate gun control in our current political environment.
CoffeeGrumbler
At the school district level, definitely.
SteveMND
Iwannaseeit
Just a few people involved in building a "safe" school compared to the relative large number required to start the change
Iwannaseeit
So while I agree with your statement, you have subtext that is going for other points
ZorkManZeroX
I don't get why you're being down voted, it's the truth
Selfawerewolf
Lotta people don't realize just how deeply-rotted the U.S. government truly is. It's difficult to wrap one's head around.
FatherAlexanderAnderson
Because people don't like to acknowledge the truth. It makes them feel like they have no control over their lives, which they don't.
Unclejimmeh
Probably because the rest of the world is going "wtf, no it isn't."
Iwannaseeit
I believe it's far easier to build a school than to make a law change, regardless of what you think that implies
AreYouABadPerson
It's also disgusting to literally design schools in terms of defensive measures against mass shootings because no one has the political will
AreYouABadPerson
or cultural will to engage in any serious discussion, let alone legislation, about gun regulation.
SerMorgenstern
Then they’re wrong. If the political climate was amenable to it, it would’ve been done years ago
SmugandFurry
Bullshit. The majority in this country would like more strict gun control. https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
SmugandFurry
It's just that the GOP lives on the slavering, slack-jawed loyalty of the Ammosexual community.
Unclejimmeh
We banned guns. Guess how many school shootings we've had since? ZERO. It's fucking possible, you americans are just stupid as fuck.
ItIsMaM
I mean not for nothing but we banned most drugs here in the states and we still have an insane amount of OD deaths every day. ??♂️