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3rdEyeShut
Even though the DNC whistleblower was found dead, shot in the back at the entrance to his apartment?
meowsolini
There is no evidence whatsoever that Seth Conrad was a whistleblower and was targeted.
trollmobile
Debating politics on Imgur feels like the Special Olympics.
HM3Seasalt
Mental Gymnastics, if you will.
educationalballs
Conservative logic: Espionage is fine when it happens to the person I don't like. Even better when my candidate asks them to do it!
thisismyvietnam
Is no one going to acknowledge that this is the wrong use for this meme
sokratees
There are dozens of us...DOZENS
ShruggieFresh
Wake up: https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html
soupisforwinners
Plot twist: OP is Russian and paid to make Imgur talk about the DNC email issue.
TestPattern
Have you guys noticed it's only the anti-liberal political posts that reach the front page lately?
HM3Seasalt
More Anti-Hillary than anything.
TestPattern
Read the title, my friend.
HM3Seasalt
Well, I mean I know that for this particular post. Just mean for what I've personally seen on the FP. More anti Hillary than anti liberal.
Macalucifer666
Guys, just because only 20 year olds wanted Bernie and he is out of the running doesn't mean you have to say everything is rigged.
PhiIIipJFry
I hate how imgur exposes to me to inner working of the minds of average people.
personsofinterest
porque no los dos?
DianNaoChong","ava
False equivalence fallacy: Domestic force manipulating their primaries is not equivalent to a foreign power manipulating a national election
Ijustwantedtoseehowlongofausernameicouldpossiblygetwellhereitis
Its sad people are OK with the whole DNC thing happening at all, regardless of which side of the aisle you are on you should be upset by it
TestPattern
Hillary won the primary by millions of votes.
BubbleGutandtheHotSnakes
even despite the ever mounting evidence, they defend with vigor. You gotta love a dem and their obscene hero worship.
3rdEyeShut
Even though there's evidence that it was rigged?
meowsolini
There is no evidence of rigging or collusion http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/
RepostSadistic
The evidence was on Hillary's homebrew server. It has been wiped clean now.
Rioritto
Except nothing the DNC has been "exposed" of can be considered election tampering...
BitchButcher
Trump, Putin, Erdogan. All who are living in that triangle are facing rough times.
Ijustwantedtoseehowlongofausernameicouldpossiblygetwellhereitis
its a square because you forgot to add hillary
BitchButcher
I rather thought about a geographical triangle.
Smidge204
Except nothing the DNC has been "exposed" of can be considered election tampering...
N00blett
Volimar
They hacked only the DNC, and wikileaks waited until before the convention to release them and even then staggered the release in an 1/
Volimar
attempt to do the most damage. Add that with the release of the personal info of donors, and how can anyone not see that there's an agenda?
MorgothTheDemonLordFormerlyKnownAsMelkor
Well Clinton is apparently above indictment by the FBI and DOJ for obvious crimes, plus she hardly plays fair politically does she?
CarolinHR
Assange has a personal vendetta against HRC re: indictment, and has openly stated this, so it's no mystery
flamingflamingo
Oh don't be paranoid. I'm SURE they'll just stop at hacking the DNC and not hack any other sensitive American sites. Those goofs!
Piornet
Funny how those pesky hackers only targeted the DNC...
andyschmaandy
when did my dad start getting on imgur?
AwesomeName
May I point out: It's not our election, it's the DNC's election. Our election is in November.
SethHow
Very true. That does tend to get lost on a lot of people... However, if you are a member of that party, your voice was not equally heard.
Gerbils
It -is- your election:stage 1. Given the stranglehold on the electoral system the two parties have, their nominat's dictate who has a chance
SugarSmack
True, but the DNC's election has effect on our country's election. Especially since we are for all intensive purposes only a 2 party system.
AwesomeName
Oh, don't get me started on the system...
RepostSadistic
All intents and purposes, not all intensive purposes.
SugarSmack
Wow, I've been saying that wrong my whole life. I'm a little embarrassed, but thanks!
RepostSadistic
Don't be. I have made my share of mistakes.
mdigio
Does anyone really think that the media didn't cover Bernie's positions enough? Even if it was to cover the horse race, his message got out.
meowsolini
A Harvard study found that the media covered Sanders more and in a more positive light than Clinton. People have cognitive dissonance.
SugarSmack
I'd be interested to know if that study included social media, where Bernie was trully lifted up. Imho, cable/TV media was a diff. story.
mdigio
Also, is it surprising that DNC employees preferred a lifelong Dem over a guy who joined the party just long enough to run for president?
KunFayyaKun
FFS The DNC did not manipulate or rig anything, they favored someone when they were supposed to be impartial. Dicks, yes, but not illegal.
PanderBare
"Manipulate" and "rig" do not imply illegal. The post's point is legitimate.
KunFayyaKun
It wasn't rigged, and manipulate is dependent on the definition.
Shadehawk
"drink blue pop not red pop red pop sucks red pop isnt christian! red pop is BAD for you its socialist!" "hey red pop had a fair chance!"
KunFayyaKun
Okay, so they were simply discussing strategies. No one on the DNC actually srutinized his Jewish faith IRL, di they?
KunFayyaKun
Hillary never attacked his Jewishness, no pro-Hillary campaign did either, nor did DWS. So no, they your statement is crap.
personsofinterest
i pretty much agree but there is some evidence that they broke campaign finance laws
KunFayyaKun
Nope. They skirted the line of a shitty system of laws, but nothing was "illegal"
personsofinterest
i think after the email leaks last week people are gearing up to argue that it amounted to more than skirting the laws, but hey im no lawyer
KunFayyaKun
Neither are "people"
personsofinterest
i like your style, Kun
Wastyvez
If you're an adherent of realpolitik, it's even questionable if they were supposed to be impartial. HRC is a democrat, Sanders isn't. 1)
Wastyvez
It's completely understandable they favoured a long-time party member over a recently joined outsider. Then again, if you're an adherent 2)
Wastyvez
of realpolitik, you wouldn't be a fan of Sanders even if you did agree with what he stands for. 3)
pgdave
As an adherent of realpolitik, you are correct on so many levels!
kayakninjas
Yes, but they were both democratic candidates which, according to the party bylaws, requires the chairperson to exercise impartiality.
Wastyvez
Fair enough, but they didn't actively sabotage Sanders' campaign. They just didn't support him as their nominee, for good reasons.
KunFayyaKun
Yep. None of what they discussed in the emails actually came into fruition save for the press activities, which happens all the time.
Orion321
Is Trump the first Presidential Nominee to ask a foreign country to hack the US further? He also hopes Putin "likes" him
graehall
He's the 1st nominee to do many unexpected things. That's why the media loves to cover him, his random shtick brings in eyeballs & ad money.
meowsolini
If u want to widen that net to any nominee colluding w/ a foreign gov to affect the general election, then maybe Nixon but its not concrete
Luscus
You could include Reagan supposedly conspiring work Iran so they wouldn't release the hostages till after he beat Carter in the election
meowsolini
meh that's much more iffy. Iran likely would have released them if Carter had one also.
f5kt
He didn't ask Russia to hack the US. He made a joke about them already having hacked the US and sharing with the FBI.
Orion321
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-russia-hacking-sarcastic/index.html
Orion321
He did. Then tried to takehttps://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-russia-hacking-sarcastic/index.html
NOINITIATIVE
the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and Putin hates the Democrats; pick your reason: exposing 2010 spy ring, opposing the invasion of UA etc
SomethingAwesomer
Do we know if it's even legal for a candidate to call on another country to hack us? Should that be treason or something in that family?
educationalballs
He asked a hostile foreign state to commit espionage against our state department. It's absolutely fucking treason. But lolTrump he's kiddin
marcusosappus
Where exactly did Trump ask Russia to hack the State Department? Didn't realize HRC's illegal server was in the State Department.
educationalballs
How the fuck else do you interpret "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing"?
marcusosappus
by fucking understanding her PRIVATE email server (which no longer exists) was NEVER at the STATE DEPARTMENT .
afbmonk
Yeah Russia is totally hostile. Just look at how they're bombing ISIS and helping the democratically elected leader of Syria. Damn commies.
educationalballs
We have active sanctions against them for invading an ally. They also aren't doing anything against IS, theyre bombing the rebels we back.
afbmonk
Should the US sanction itself for sending forces to Syria despite its government denying their help?
afbmonk
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0YQ0B8 You can have this too. Sorry for the mobile link.
educationalballs
FYI: Trump and Manafort have been very low key running a pro-Soviet campaign for months pretending his statements are mistakes and goofs.
educationalballs
Things he has advocated for: Trump will give up NATO states to Russian invasion. Would recognize Crimea as a Russian state.
educationalballs
Con't: would end Russian sanctions from Crimea. Says Russia/KGB can't possibly be killing journalists.
educationalballs
Con't: Asked for Russian espionage against our State Department. Forced his party platform to prevent discussion on assistance to Ukraine.
educationalballs
He's been propped up by morons like Rubio/Ryan/Walker/McConnell who say "he's still learning" or "it was a joke". No the fuck it is not.
MuddyDuckling
Putin outsources slave labor from North Korea. Trump probably wants to capitalize on that free labor.
imgurfacepalm
Publicly. 100% definitely not privately.
Polaris7
I hope you're not pinning your vote on what you THINK the nominees are thinking privately vs what you KNOW they are saying publically
imgurfacepalm
I dont care why you vote for who you vote for and you shouldnt care either.
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imgurfacepalm
Because I am not going to change anyones minds and neither will you. If someone has decided who they are going to vote for, no matter what
imgurfacepalm
the reason, there is basically no chance that I am going to convince anyone otherwise. No point in caring and wasting my time.
TheHappyCreative
It's troubling that a foreign body so easily hacked into secure servers. It is a matter of national security, higher risk than DNC emails.
RepostSadistic
All her server had were emails about yoga and shit. And she wiped it with a cloth so thoroughly, that FBI can find nothing on it anymore.
Chefreign
Glad our nation only has the capacity to go after one wrong doing at a time. DNC gets a pass because Russian hackers!
TheHappyCreative
How do you figure?
Chefreign
You say Russian is true higher risk implying DNC should get a pass so we can chase the Russian line. Luckily the US has the capacity to 1/
Chefreign
2/ look into both. Both should be investigated.
TheHappyCreative
@chefrein you implied that the DNC should get a pass, then you base your argument on your own implication. Of course they both should be 1
Chefreign
The last line of my original response was meant to be sarcastic. My bad if that didn't come across. Should have used quotes.
TheHappyCreative
investigated. When you look to see what your highest priority is on your to do list, you don't simply chuck the rest of the list. Do you 2
MasterOfShenanigans
People must be allergic to complexity. We SHOULD take in to consideration both the content of the emails AND the motives of the leakers.
marcusosappus
Maybe the Russians don't want HRC f'n up the rest of the world like she did in the Middle East?
CosmicGuineaPig
Thank you. The Russians were already proven to have stolen info, had the motive, and excellent tradecraft (though not perfect)
Piornet
The fact that people can't consider both shows just how stupid people are.
NOINITIATIVE
when it comes to international politics and intrigue, quid pro quo should always be the first matter looked into
LeaderBeans
http://imgur.com/YCgFiDE
Wimpymind
its so fucking obviously a diversionary tactic. "oh shit, we got caught, we fucked now" "lol just blame the russians" "oh right, silly me".
deededee
A foreign rival interfering with our election for their benefit is not a "distraction". It is a sad day when Democrat v. Republican comes
deededee
before American v. Russian.
educationalballs
Man who receives daily Intel briefings advocated for cyber warfare against our state dept. on national tv. Fucking lib diversionary tactics.
CreativelySaid
The FBI is the one doing the investigation. Don't oversimplify it. Please let Imgur be shits & giggles.
Chefreign
Didn't Romney get blasted for saying they're our greatest geopolitical foe?
belortik
Back when Obama wanted a reset. Well, now we know Russia never had an interest in that and are a rising threat to stability.
Chefreign
But even then Romney was right. I seem to remember something about Ukraine in the news.
MasterOfShenanigans
What if I told you that it's possible for the emails to be completely damning AND for the Russians to leak them to serve their own interest?
SoundFuture
That's the truth. Trump wants to befriend Russia to better fight ISIS and gain leverage to use against usurious Chinese trade practices. /1
SoundFuture
Russia wants to befriend the US to settle the issue with the Ukraine and gain our intelligence sources to better deal with it's former /2
SoundFuture
satellites. On top of that improving its trade situation to shore up its economy. 3/
Gerbils
Well as long as we're all happy they're not fabricated, what does it matter? This "enemy of my enemy" bullshit is irrational.
khtad
What exactly were they caught doing? Liking Hillary better than Bernie?
Wimpymind
Ways to circumvent camp contr laws. Sending their interns to behave like bad trump supporters to make trump look bad.
Gerbils
Redirecting joint DNC funds to Hillary, specifying that DNC support for her be kept secret, spitballing ways to anonymously slander Bernie
Wimpymind
giving orders to "free media" and "free media" sending their stories to DNC before their editors.
CarolinHR
Ok so 1. Bernie only joined the DNP to help his chance at presidency so some animosity should be expected 2. How did emails affect ur vote
OriginaIPoster
Yeah like, he only joined after being booted from the Liberty Union Party for supporting the Iraq War
deededee
People conveniently ignore his weaknesses with key Democratic groups to push a narrative of "rigged" Was the primary unfair? Yes. Rigged? No
aGrumpyPotato
The mass media disperses information to the masses. The sheer amount of coverage Hillary got due to the DNC favouring her could 1/?
aGrumpyPotato
Cause her to win. Note the use of the word "could", I'm just hypothesizing, I don't have an inside link to all Americans' brains. 2/2
meowsolini
Bernie lost because he didn't reach out to any communities and relied primarily upon predominantly white 18-30 yr olds.
3rdEyeShut
And that's what they want you to believe
meowsolini
That is not an intellectually serious belief.
SugarSmack
Part of the reason he lost some of the earlier races was the common retelling that he would have no real chance against a Rep. candidate.
SugarSmack
Later, it became clear that his following was in fact big enough to take on a the Rep. candidate. Too late for those who'd already voted.
aGrumpyPotato
In a country where whites are about 75% of the population, and the median age is 37, his appealing to em would have given a huge advantage.
meowsolini
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/ I am tired.
aGrumpyPotato
I am not saying the system IS/ISN'T rigged. I was hypothesizing HOW the DNC emails could affect someone's vote because a commenter asked.
aGrumpyPotato
By the way, I wasn't even arguing whatever you countered. I initially stated, and still stand by, that media bias COULD help Clinton if 1/2
SuchCommentMuchUpvote
Except that the 18-30 demographic doesn't have a tendency to actually go out and vote.
aGrumpyPotato
Hmm. That's fair. I just checked their stats and it's honestly pathetic to see the people who have to live with the election consequences1/2
meowsolini
I am tired. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/
TestPattern
It's actually the FBI that thinks the Russians are manipulating the election with illegal behavior.
rambosmurf
Obviously the FBI thinks what ever they are told to think. If they possessed original thought HRC wud have been in prison months ago
keybladers
True, but if you inserted anyone but NK, Russia, or China you'd be hailing them like Snowden, remember what he did was illegal too
Starchygoodness
No the DNC is just a lying conniving extension of the Cl*nton coronation campaign. No conspiracy. They've even apologized for this shit.
htallen
Yeah, the comment above you has CTR written all over it.
isayfuckoff
So we don't like it when foreign governmentd fuck with us. But it's ok for us to fuck with them
azazyel
also "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing," Trump
GeorgiaDawgs623
Point? I hope they release them too. I want to see more on how shady the Hildebeast really is.
azazyel
Asking a foreign government to commit cybercrimes on our nation?
Minaris
Nations are influenced by the help of other nations... like when the French sided with the colonists against Britain. New world, new help.
GeorgiaDawgs623
Ya, like Putin was just sitting there, waiting on permission from Donald Trump to hack a server that doesn't even exist anymore. Good call.
SchizophrenicOnSunday
It's espionage and quite frankly, treason. This is absurd that we even need to explain it
marcusosappus
But I thought there wasn't any classified info on those 30K "personal" emails? which is it?
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
I get you're trying to be sarcastic, but you accidentally hit the whole point the FBI made. Removing the emails alone didn't justify an 1/
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
indictment- to be charged you need to have some direct, improper interaction with an agent from another country. That crucial last part is 2
marcusosappus
NOPE. Explain how hacking a PRIVATE individual's email server is treason? The server was for emails about yoga & stuff, right?
SethHow
I'd say the FBI got on that in record time... Almost like the guy in charge is upset that his party is the one that got hit...
JollyJokzr
Almost like it's their job...
SethHow
Oh, I agree with that. lol
NerdN1
Foreign powers hacking U.S. organizations to influence our election is a big fucking deal and REALLY illegal.
Mack1986
Russian hackers tend not to hide ips because their government encourages the behaviour and won't extradite
questionableanswers
They also have their famous putinbots. People who get paid to blog and comment to make russia appear positive. It's an actual job.
redheadmoanday
They warned the DNC ahead of time, they knew it was coming, the DNC just didn't do anything
gdex86
Commey is a Republican, was appointed by a Republican, and until he didn't do what Republicans wanted was highly respected by Republicans.
Chefreign
Can't blame them. He rewrote the law in order to recommend no prosecution.
DougForcett
Explanation or source? I didn't know the director of the FBI had the authority to write or change laws.
DrKriegersClone
To be more specific, he ignored that negligence was enough to charge by letting her off due to lack of intent.
Chefreign
He said there wasn't a case of negligence because there was no intent. Neglect, by definition, does not require intent.
SethHow
I was referring to the president, not the director of the FBI. :)
SugarSmack
In @gdex86's defense. I thought you were referring to Commey as well. Knowing that you meant Obama, your comment makes much more sense
reallywut
Tin foil hat trophy
SugarSmack
So Russia wants Trump to be our president....fuck, I don't even know what to think about that. This election just keeps getting weirder.
MedicSailor
If Russia invaded like red dawn style, then I'm gonna be guerrilla style killing some ruskies, their way of life is F'ed.
AcidOPhilus
Agree with all, one more thing: Trump can be easily controlled through his narcissism. Putin is brilliant at that.
AcidOPhilus
HRC is more the psychopath kind of guy. Which makes her very hard to manipulate. Just Like Putin.
TestPattern
Wastyvez
Russia just wants anything that destabilises the West. Same reason they have ties to pretty much every right wing extremist party in Europe.
FrogPaste
US election: Trump encourages Russia to find Clinton emails - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36907541
fruust
because trump wants to leave nato and that's good for putin who wants more "lebensraum".
icookfoodandfightfire
Trump and Putin, are kinda friends sorta. Putin I'd openly backing trump and trump says Putin is doing good work in Russia
ButterfaceTaintClown
https://goo.gl/BJtxdl Trump is Putin's useful idiot.
OriginaIPoster
Trump also "encouraged" Russia to continue hacking the DNC right?
GeorgiaDawgs623
Not at all. He was referring to Hillary's emails. Also, how can he encourage them to hack a server that doesn't exist anymore...
EverythingISeeIsAJojosReference
Who says it still doesn't exist? *adjusts tinfoil hat*
NerdN1
Trump has financial ties to Russia, loves Putin, and has suggested ignoring NATO. Plus he might destabilize the west.
AllGoodNDaHood
Also, the Trump team's only amendment to the RNC platform was removing a clause about supporting anti-Russian Ukrainians. Really suspicious
marcusosappus
That's cute. The Clinton foundation got paid by the Russians then suddenly the Russians were allowed to purchase a uranium mine in the US.
marcusosappus
All while HRC was SOS of the USA. The deal had to be approved by the State Department. How convenient.
ThatWillBuffOut
Bernie lost the popular vote and says it wasn't rigged.
Chefreign
He probably would have lost without DNC manipulation but now there will always be that question.
MuddyDuckling
It's taken Clinton years and years to get her name out there. Bernie had 14 months. That's what it really boils down to.
Chefreign
He's been a progressive politician for decades. What are you talking about?
MuddyDuckling
Yes but that doesn't mean his name was in national headlines for decades. He was largely unknown. Had he been more well known..
elahrairah
I'm with you. He lost the popular vote precisely because her unfair lead with the media. TV's got more influence than people.
Chefreign
He definitely started at he bottom of a hole and it's amazing to see what he was able to do despite that. Would be interesting to go back 1/
Chefreign
2/ and see what would have happened if they started on a level playing field. I say this as a non-Sanders fan. (Trump/Hillary neither).
meowsolini
A Harvard study found that altho media often ignored him early, by the time of primaries his coverage outpaced Clinton's & was more positive
MuddyDuckling
Irregardless of how much media he had gotten it's nearly impossible to sway a lot of voters after the HIV/AIDS outbreak. 1/2
MuddyDuckling
Which actually did a lot of good. Lets not forget that not everything she has done has been negative. She's done quite a bit of good.
scabab
his unfair lead with the media was due to DNC collusion. thats part of the leak!
meowsolini
There was no collusion, just DNC members saying unprofessional things. No evidence of collusion or DNC members acting against Sanders.
scabab
they were discussing what stories to feed the media to undermine his campaign... where were you?