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Feb 9, 2017 3:39 AM
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BigBadBillyBoy
Those of us on boats are really glad for the Jones Act.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Plus, the people who really are "stealing your jobs" are usually underpayed and overworked, they're not the problem, asshole employers are.
Standingranby
Schrodinger's Mexican: simultaneously stealing your job AND too lazy to work.
CliftonSantiago
I hate how everyone without a bachelor's degree is painted as some uneducated trailer trash not worthy of an opinion
ToastedVanilla
Fucking neurologist immigrants, we can't have so many neurologists, guys!
doucher
For every one Mohamed the neurologist there are 100,000 Mohamed the goat farmer's......
DogmeatIsAGoodDog
Gary? Garrrryyyy.
5po0ky
I promise I will never die
MyDogJake
Hey. I just saw this. On Facebook.
HowCurious
Neat!
MYCUTIEMARKISAGUN
''You know what really chaps my ass, Barry? Scandinavian fellas taking all the good neurosurgery jobs, the Norwegians SPECIFICALLY''
BlahBlahDinks
The question to ask is why so many high paid jobs are going to better educated foreigners, what does this say about our education system
Ckris22
Ridiculing less educated for the economic hardship they perceive? This is how you get Trump as president. Heckuva job.
Diverge
Bloody imigrunts!
seventhson74
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/us/lawsuit-claims-disney-colluded-to-replace-us-workers-with-immigrants.html
retgarr
Fine, we'll do you one better and let in every trained surgeon. I suppose you're ok with everything now?
TheImperiumOfMan76
All those Somalian neurosurgeons sure have improved Sweden.
SwedishRationalist
Please show us some real statistics of how many refugees called Muhammad actually are neurologists, to support your "argument". I'll wait.
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SwedishRationalist
2: The text even says outright: "Syrian refugees tend to be less educated". Doesn't exactly support the point that this post is making.
SwedishRationalist
1: So 9.4% of those refugees that were _vetted_and_accepted_ into the US have university-level education. Wow, so many neurologists...
vasquaal
But Gary is just a snail !
YouCantGetDiseasesFromABird
So because Gary doesn't have a college degree (which is apparently really expensive in the US) his opinion is discounted? Sounds elitist
YouCantGetDiseasesFromABird
I get that his opinion is stupid, but the people against Gary are the same people who need to think about whether they want him to be on 1/2
YouCantGetDiseasesFromABird
Their same super special intellectual plane of having a bachelors degree. A college diploma shouldn't be a requirement to be a valued 2/3
YouCantGetDiseasesFromABird
Member of society, no matter which side of the aisle you're on
YouCantGetDiseasesFromABird
Because all I see here is "you don't have as much as I do, therefore I don't have to value you as a person"
salokindoc
Hey USA - do you not have muinimum wage ?
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salokindoc
Maybe that's part of the problem. Maybe if minimum wage was a 'living' wage there would be less anger when 'Sanjeev' took it.
somenerandom
A neurologist will always get a job, immigrant or not.It's minimum wage workers that have enough difficulties in that regard as it is.
SerialKitten666
It's really not hard to get a minimum wage job and often the immigrants do the really shitty ones anyway, they're not "stealing" anything.
kfigs
Yes, neurosurgeons can even get jobs for which they aren't qualified. Like Secretary of Housing & Urban Development.
zombiejon
Except for the oddball cases where the license isn't recognized, and the neurologist now becomes a store clerk.
Noobity
Not uncommon. I went to community college with a slovakian chemist and russian professor. Both of their degrees werent recognized in the US.
SerialKitten666
Not really odd, multiple degrees from multiple countries aren't accepted by the US (or Canada) as valid :/
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
Or when a heart surgeon from Japan works in a paper company warehouse.
noforeplay
And that guy was the best surgeon in Japan too! So sad...
TheSockKing
They tuk er jurbs!
Ojerk
Der durka der!
shouldbestudying
Dey terk hrs jerb!
BabbidyBoopy
TOOK-ER JJJERB!
LadyWidebottom
A DERKA DERRR
SarcasticCaptainObvious
IDEEEEEERKADEEEEEEEERBS
daddymeatbone
COCKADOODLEDOOO
kingflurpynurps
DERK ER JEERRRB
mitzialbright
I lost my job to a migrant recently. Canadian Agriculture worker here.
fudgesickle
That may have something to do with messed up Temporary Resident Visa our government gives to temp foreign workers, especially in agriculture
mitzialbright
not an immigrant, a migrant.
SwedishRationalist
Same thing. I think you meant to say "not a refugee, a migrant", because there's a difference between those.
mitzialbright
.. NO they are not, an immigrant MOVES to a country, a Migrant visits.
SwedishRationalist
3: i.e. people fleeing and seeking asylum, and migrants, i.e. people who move to a new country for work or a "better life".
mitzialbright
okay, well I mean a temporary foreign worker then.
mitzialbright
I was let go to hire people under a gov sponsored Seasonal Worker program : Migrant labour.
SwedishRationalist
2: original country, and an immigrant from the perspective of the new country. The common distinction in the debate is between refugees,
SwedishRationalist
1: I'm sorry but you got it wrong. A migrant is someone who moves to a new country. A migrant is an emigrant from the perspective of the
SwedishRationalist
4: Someone who visits is just a tourist.
mitzialbright
https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/services/foreign-workers/hire/agricultural.html Dunno what to call them...
ShowMeYourButtonhole
I think you meant A A Ron.
alumunum
Yes, because that accurately represents the education level of the average refugee.
DespiseEveryone
The neurologist. Right... that is why Germany is not expecting any of the migrants to be productive for years until they been educated.
DespiseEveryone
training? 6 months to learn how to repair bicycles. Neurologists. How delusional can you get.
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DespiseEveryone
That was the claim in Germany as well originally. They changed their tune when they tried to find them jobs.
DespiseEveryone
http://www.dw.com/en/many-refugees-in-germany-lack-training-or-education-report/a-19414051
Bunnyapocalips
This is a shitty repost with 5 words switched.
bnye135
The problem is that Muhammad doesn't have 200k student debt. Most med students start a career with at least 150k debt
luckyMexican
Then you have a different problem
kuroru
Well, go for studies to Syria then. It used to be free.
noptic
Or Germany. We will train you for free, but once you are finished we will give you shitty working conditions so you will certainly go home
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TomNguyen
It´s free. But you have to study in German
YesButAlsoYes
Sounds safe and definitely not kidnappy
DwightSnute
His name is Chad, not Gary.
faltuszszsz
Chadley.
zrXO
Chaaaaad?
Garbange
I dont know, Pokemon taught me a Gary's have problems keeping hold of even the simplest jobs. And often they are actually Butts.
ninjaoftheworld
Don't be ridiculous. Chad is a trust fund baby.
DwightSnute
That's the beauty of Chad. He is both a college drop out AND a trust fund baby.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
He's also a wife beater AND a submissive idiot who does anything to get laid.
chad1314
Hey that's namist!!!!!
sloanPHILLIPS
Get out REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
TheCuntDoesNotFallFarFromTheCuntTree
Shut up chad
ThatTwerkingWhoreFromOliveGarden
Found the guy named Gary
seventhson74
Replacing tech workers with foreigners is happening a lot. H1B visas are being totally exploited...
TwoSeamer
As a foreigner in the US, I looked at which jobs get most H1Bs. 99% are in computer science. And here I am getting my MBA
Jrhoney
That is the whole point of the H1B visa.
charcharbinks732
Immigration exists to lower wages. Now it's not the unskilled/low skilled labor of older waves of immigration but highly skilled workers.
GreaterDog
It's not how H1B was intended. Zoe Lofgren of San Jose (D-CA) put forth a bill to raise the minimum salary for exemption of proving ①
GreaterDog
non-displacement of a US worker to 2017 median wages (it's currently set at 1998 pay). Contact your representatives to vote yes ②
GreaterDog
on H.R. 670 for raising H1B minimums. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/670 ③
rainbow404
They ship a lot of IT jobs overseas because companies don't have to pay them near as much...
GreaterDog
And the bill to raise the minimum H1B exempt wage is being spun as a Trump thing (it's acutally Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) from the Silicon Valley ①
GreaterDog
area). It's a GOOD THING. The current MINIMUM wage to bypass paperwork justifying non-displacement of a US tech worker is $60k, which is ②
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based on the *1998* median wage. It's incredibly easy to bring in foreign talent and underpay them. The companies that actually NEED ③
GreaterDog
highly-qualified engineers (because the US doesn't produce enough e.g. plasma process engineers) get shut out because other companies ④
GreaterDog
pile in without needing to justify the need to bring in a foreign worker. The proposed bill is in the reply: ⑤
wadatahmydamie
So do you not support the free market?
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
No..it's really not. Most of the jobs are in IT and the field is always looking for skilled employees. The field is expanding fast and we-
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as Americans just don't have enough people to fill the chairs. It'd be so much easier for American firms to hire American workers, but the-
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problem is we don't have a ton of kids coming out of school with IT/CS degrees. It's going up, for sure, but nowhere near enough to meet -
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demand. Which is why the bill to double the minimum salary for H1B visas is foolish and short sighted. You'll just cripple the industry or-
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
force them off shore. The smart thing to do is for the government to invest in IT/CS education. Students in India are paying 1100$ per year-
lifeisapicnic
If they're better at it... them's the breaks
Monochromatism
Quantity (cost) over quality (skill) is why they're becoming so common.
TheImperiumOfMan76
They're certainly cheaper!
lifeisapicnic
Guess you should have unionized
bigeduck
Not better but definitely cheaper.
Iwillhaveoneofeverything
wait do H1B visa workers get paid less? I thought it would cost more to get visa processing etc.
avidatheist
Willing to work for less to live here in some cases. Not knowing the usual pay-scale for their job in others.
Iwillhaveoneofeverything
so in some cases employers might offer smaller pay scale in hopes of catching international candidates? or is that too much of an assumption
shhep
I don't know about US, but it would be illegal where I live for that exact reason. You just can't pay 1/3 of wage just because someone is
shhep
forced by his immigration to accept it. And let me tell you, market is profiting from that.
lifeisapicnic
Agreed. Blame the market not the worker
hearthstoneaccount3
That indicates better, nothing to stop you also being cheaper.
conniecpu
Not the ones who move *here*. I live in Redmond and pretty much all the Indian immigrants drive BMWs.
seventhson74
Has there been a big uptick in Indian workers since Satya took over?
Mekanismen
Is this true though? An H1B isn't free
pronoun
It's not debatable, it has been happening for a while. And you're talking $60k vs $20k.
Mekanismen
Not sure how that answers my question
Mekanismen
The reason I asked is because I met someone who works in HR for a big company here in LA, and he told me that H1B's are a pain 1/
ocegur
Can be better too. Multinationals don't (or didnt) have recruiting frontiers, if they find better somewhere else, they'll pick him.
dogpile
I'm in cybersecurity. My field has 0% unemployment. More jobs than people.
GreaterDog
Exactly what H1B is for. As it stands, you only need to pay a foreign worker $60k to bypass proof of non-displacement of a US worker ①
GreaterDog
(based on median salary in 1998! It's so low.) Too easy to hog the H1B cap and pay low while the jobs that need it don't get filled ②
Mistruths
That's because people are idiots and love tattooing their passwords backwards on their foreheads so they can see it in the mirror.
RincewindTVD
Your password is also "poor impulse control"?
dogpile
Or tweeting them!
TacticallySignificantTurtle2ElectricBoogaloo
Maybe, but we have a negative birth rate so I'm all for importing more skilled labor. Not so much for the broad unskilled labor though
TheImperiumOfMan76
Great plan. Why have kids when we could just import criminals and parasites?
Oteneo
This is just ridiculous. Would love to know how many H1B workers you know, if any.
TheImperiumOfMan76
Quite a few. Watched my buddies train their own replacements.
Oteneo
so because they supplanted some of your friends at their jobs that makes them criminal and/or parasitic? Not following you.
TacticallySignificantTurtle2ElectricBoogaloo
That's... that's the exact opposite of what I said... I said importing skilled labor is good. I said importing unskilled labor is not good
Oteneo
of course it is, but don't let that get in the way of his anger based reasoning
TheImperiumOfMan77
http://i.imgflip.com/1bgvov.jpg
dangeroushorses
I bet his name ends in 76 because he's had the last 75 banned for being a hate filled shitposter.
EzraFell
Oh hey Buddy, it's you again. Here's your childhood hero. (WARNING IMAGE IS MATURE) http://i.imgur.com/HFj0tKm
TacticallySignificantTurtle2ElectricBoogaloo
I mean holy shit. How stupid and reactionary can you be?
TheImperiumOfMan76
You ever heard of remittances, buddy?
delpharseven
TIOMxx is a huge racist. Every time he gets banned he makes a new account, incrementing the number. Sometimes more than once in a day.
TheImperiumOfMan77
Usually on the weekends. Shitposting is hard work!
Arsikere
improve school systems = more skilled labor
seventhson74
I think if we could steer the kids we have attending college right now into majors that have jobs available, this issue would be resolved.
Arsikere
i agree, which is why i'm glad seeing trade schools making a (small) comeback
Thatusernamehasalreadybeen
Because white America is lining up in the streets demanding to work for McDonalds and pick corn.
KinkExpert
Wouldn't that exacerbate our problem with in debt college grads being unable to find work in their fields?
dogpile
People need to choose in demand fields.
Jrhoney
How does the US have a negative birth rate but the population keeps growing?
PumpkinMasher
Immigration