if you look at torpenhow (the claim that it's called torpenhow Hill is unevidenced) you can see its a slight rise, nothing like a mighty peak and with no extent cairn afaik.
Fun thing about place names like this too ... Vistor: Hi I am trying to get to Tor-Pen-How? Ancient looking dude with a knobbly stick worn tweed suit and jack russell that looks like it still kills rats for a living: Aye, p'raps ye be meaning Tuppno?
Ah yes, the British shibboleths. The land where you can rhyme Leominster with Godmanchester and pronounce neither in a sensible manner. (For interest, it's roughly /lɛmstɚ/ and /gʌmstɚ/.)
I used to drive through Torpenhow regularly from Skinburness on my way to visit my friends in Townhead, it was a short trip from there to Birdoswald which is located near a very old wall belonging to Hadrian back in the day
The correction isn't one... because it is primarily pedantry. A Tor is a Type of hill as noted there one with rocks, a Pen is a head, which is commonly a hill, just a noteworthy one, and Howe is a mound, which is, again, a hill. So it is still Hill hill hill hill. It is just Also (shuffling order for better English) "The important hill where the dead have been covered with rocks."
For note, the "high peaks" attempt in the 'correction' is entirely wrong because it isn't a hill with high peaks at all, it is primarily of note because it overlooks Torpenhow, and the method it came by that name is because the prior linguistic generations name was applied to the town, and then the new language's word to describe the important feature overlooking the town, was then added.
The correction is missing the most important bit that the place doesn't exist. The settlement is called Torpenhow, but there's no hill with that name. The toponymy of the settlement is not known for sure but has been thought to be tautological for ages. Crucially, just because elements *can* have different shades of meaning doesn't mean that they don't basically mean hill. The renderings given are especially fanciful.
Canada- When the St. Lawrence Iroquoi were asked what the name of the area was, an elder said 'kanata' ([kana:taʔ]), meaning 'village' or 'settlement'.
During the pandemic I taught English as a Second Language to adults online, and used this example to explain why English doesn't often follow its own grammatical rules.
It's the same reason there is 5 different rivers called Avon. Because Avon is, atleast in a very English bastardisation of, a Gaelic word that means river. So we have 5 rivers called River river.
So, if OE Tor(r) is a loan from Gaelic, then that may have been a native name to begin with... and if "Tòrr" and "Pen" have different meanings, then "Torpen" is not tautological. It's an important burial mound. And the Vikings recognised the same in naming it.
Best thing about that was that she immediately added that it's not true. Most movies wouldn't bust a myth, even if the creators knew, but Amy Adams did.
in order of correctness? Octopodes, octopuses, octopi. Tiny octopus notes that Linnaeus coined the word octopus, and used the word octopodes as its plurality, so...you invent the word, you get to choose its forms.
Yeah... And then a week later MatPat released his farewell video. Between those two, a good portion of what brings me joy on the Internet is sunsetting. 😕
PunnyTiger
Hill hill hill hill went and got a marketing department with a fact checker
ParksandWrecks
Very Mojo Dojo Casa House of them
Herebychoice
I am Lothar of the Hill People!
RichieBarron
if you look at torpenhow (the claim that it's called torpenhow Hill is unevidenced) you can see its a slight rise, nothing like a mighty peak and with no extent cairn afaik.
RichieBarron
i mean, it is referred to as hill now .... for tourism, but wasn't historically, and its really barely even a hill more like a slight rise
crypresthesia
Torpenhow Hill doesn't exist. It's a village named Torpenhow (which means rising topped hill like the one it is on)
crypresthesia
Relevant bit from The Debunking of Torpenhow Hill:
Xenarion
Interesting.
Schadwen
"Who is this idiot who does not know what a forest is?"
goste
Bryn is the welsh word for “hill”. Rob Brydon’s character in Gavin & Stacey taught me this 🤌
MrStealYourGiF
Fun thing about place names like this too ... Vistor: Hi I am trying to get to Tor-Pen-How? Ancient looking dude with a knobbly stick worn tweed suit and jack russell that looks like it still kills rats for a living: Aye, p'raps ye be meaning Tuppno?
InTheBeginningWasTheNerd
Ah yes, the British shibboleths. The land where you can rhyme Leominster with Godmanchester and pronounce neither in a sensible manner. (For interest, it's roughly /lɛmstɚ/ and /gʌmstɚ/.)
Here's a couple more examples - https://youtu.be/mOd3lwluQIw
ultralunar
I used to drive through Torpenhow regularly from Skinburness on my way to visit my friends in Townhead, it was a short trip from there to Birdoswald which is located near a very old wall belonging to Hadrian back in the day
beerkrump
Kind of like how almost every desert is desert desert.
JesaraB
The correction isn't one... because it is primarily pedantry. A Tor is a Type of hill as noted there one with rocks, a Pen is a head, which is commonly a hill, just a noteworthy one, and Howe is a mound, which is, again, a hill. So it is still Hill hill hill hill. It is just Also (shuffling order for better English) "The important hill where the dead have been covered with rocks."
JesaraB
For note, the "high peaks" attempt in the 'correction' is entirely wrong because it isn't a hill with high peaks at all, it is primarily of note because it overlooks Torpenhow, and the method it came by that name is because the prior linguistic generations name was applied to the town, and then the new language's word to describe the important feature overlooking the town, was then added.
daranthered
I prefer the Crowned Barrow of the Honored Dead.
TheFishFace
The correction is missing the most important bit that the place doesn't exist. The settlement is called Torpenhow, but there's no hill with that name. The toponymy of the settlement is not known for sure but has been thought to be tautological for ages. Crucially, just because elements *can* have different shades of meaning doesn't mean that they don't basically mean hill. The renderings given are especially fanciful.
PrincessWendyB
NOW its interesting!
Davedavedavedavedave
Canada- When the St. Lawrence Iroquoi were asked what the name of the area was, an elder said 'kanata' ([kana:taʔ]), meaning 'village' or 'settlement'.
Tnjer77
I live on Little Bigby Creek. “Bigby”, I’ve been told, is a Cherokee word for “little creek”. So, I live on “Little Little Creek Creek”…
Word(s)!
PrincessRachell
Reminds me of crookbarrow hill near me which may possibly mean hill burial hill hill
NZSheeps
SpecialContainmentProcedures
This is one of those things that breaks the Star Trek translator.
Datsinginguy
During the pandemic I taught English as a Second Language to adults online, and used this example to explain why English doesn't often follow its own grammatical rules.
TheOvy
Which also means "Tor" ain't even Saxon, it's Celtic.
Someshithead241
It's the same reason there is 5 different rivers called Avon. Because Avon is, atleast in a very English bastardisation of, a Gaelic word that means river. So we have 5 rivers called River river.
Default87
RealRedbeard
And all the journalists as one choir screams "Never fact check a good story!!!"
Allrighty
So, if OE Tor(r) is a loan from Gaelic, then that may have been a native name to begin with... and if "Tòrr" and "Pen" have different meanings, then "Torpen" is not tautological. It's an important burial mound. And the Vikings recognised the same in naming it.
TinyOctopus
This reminds tiny octopus of the opening in arrival when Amy Adams explains how the kangaroo got its name.
airen
That movie was surprisingly good
HOLAKOOO
Yes it was
NotWerner
Best thing about that was that she immediately added that it's not true. Most movies wouldn't bust a myth, even if the creators knew, but Amy Adams did.
nikolateslaismyhomeboy
In the spirit of etymological exposition, which pluralization of octopus does Your Tininess prefer? Octopuses, octopi, or octopodes?
MurdockTheHawk
Octopodes nuts
SmilinBobsFamilyStyleMortuaryAndCrematorium
Highly underrated reply.
TinyOctopus
in order of correctness? Octopodes, octopuses, octopi. Tiny octopus notes that Linnaeus coined the word octopus, and used the word octopodes as its plurality, so...you invent the word, you get to choose its forms.
gordy77
And Linnaeus wrore the book on naming things, did he? ;)
DangerIsMyMiddleName
You got a chuckle out of me
Zathyra
Kinda, several. Google Carl Linnaeus or Carl von Linné
gordy77
Am being cheeky slash facetious
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
So then what does "Please Drive Slowly" translate to?
Wolf2Worrior
mrputter
"Nid wyf yn y swyddfa ar hyn o bryd. Anfonwch unrhyw waith i'w gyfieithu."
NZSheeps
For those that don't get the reference http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7702913.stm
reineseele
Back in the days when the rabbit and the turtle raced and turtles still drank rocket fuel, the turtle fell over in the curve. So that is it.
DougTheLlama
Up hill
HonHomes
Tom Scott talked about this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUyXiiIGDTo
PenguinPlans
And actually kind of went against it, as well.
PinPointSnarkuracy
Came here to post this, thank you :)
Chronomechanist
To be fair... What hasn't Tom Scott talked about? I'm going to miss his videos.
BennyBean1
Man, now you've gone and made me sad... I'm going to miss his videos
Chronomechanist
Man that goodbye video was legitimately emotional
BennyBean1
Yeah... And then a week later MatPat released his farewell video. Between those two, a good portion of what brings me joy on the Internet is sunsetting. 😕
Chronomechanist
I don't know who that is and I'm glad. I don't think I could have dealt with watching another farewell video...
BennyBean1
MatPat is the guy behind Game Theory and a few other related channels
somnif
He's still making content, just not the weekly videos (at least for a while)
Jaqdakloun
Reading this while sipping some chai tea
68mano
lol
somnif
Care to visit The La Brea Tar Pits?
McMasterx
I wonder how `the Los Angeles Angels` are doing?
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
I believe they're technically just the Angels for the moment. There has been a lot of legal contention over the years on this subject.