Been done with DoorDash ever since they engaged in the “DoorDash grandma” bullshit at the White (trash) House a couple months ago. The company is cool with being a prop for the Pedo, fuck ‘em. I’ll save my money.
I don't know which kind of teaching is worse: this, or the one professor I had who'd ask a question to the class, then sit back with a smirk so that every answer people gave would feel wrong because he wouldn't answer.
I remember when you could order a pizza from the local pizza place and only have to pay extra to tip the driver. I'm an old, so I remember when those pizza places actually introduced a "delivery fee," and it was like $1.00, and people were still pissed. Not pissed enough, clearly...my local domino's charges $4.99 for their delivery fee, and people still pay it. I get the "lazy tax" but these days there are too many middle men taking too much for too little returned value.
Don't forget that they charge $6.75 for a $4.95 coffee. THEN add all the other bullshit. That's how a $5 coffee becomes $20 by the time it gets to you.
The one time a delivery app made sense was when I had a cast on my leg for a month and I paid for the local grocery store to deliver my groceries for me
I once made $12 dollars delivering a single shrimp cocktail from one city to another, around 25 minutes away. Thats what I the driver made. Meaning this person spent well over twenty dollars, at least, for a half hour old shrimp cocktail. I had a cooler bag, but wtf.
Eh, I used to do pizza delivery, for Pizza Hut. At the time, it was $1 for delivery, which went to the delivery driver, as compensation for gas. And that started mainly because most people didn't tip their delivery driver, and the ones who did, certainly didn't tip enough so the driver could afford the gas.
And Pizza Hut certainly wasn't going to pay us more per hour, so we could afford gas, maintenance, and repairs on our vehicles.
These practices exist because people don't vote them away with their wallet. If most people would boycot businesses that did this they would cut it out real quick. But people are lazy and unwilling to change old habits so they keep supporting their favourite companies even when these companies are lubing their anti-consumer dildos and telling them to bend over.
My sibling in existence, delivery apps pulled an Amazon and undercut businesses' in-house delivery systems by operating at huge losses. Now that we're here, there are like 2 delivery apps total in a pseudo-monopoly where there *are no alternatives* - consumers no longer have any choice in the matter. If you want delivery, you have to pay the exorbitant fees. Inb4 "stop being lazy!" - some people don't have reliable transportation or life circumstances that allow them to home cook often.
Tip? Nevver. Only if they sevice me more than expected. I am from a country where tipping is for some extraordinary service. A free country, ..weeee. we also have healtcare for all
I hate the way he says this word. I realize it's the hilarious point and it's effective. But he is very good at making me angry when he says it each time.
At some point you pay as much to have a single coffee delivered two times, as I pay to have a pound of freshly-roasted beans delivered. I can't wrap my head around still buying fast food unless I'm traveling and have no choice.
Was messing around on Doordash adding and removing various items from one restaurants menu to see how much the total would be. The Doordash service fee went up as I added more stuff, down as I removed it. Realized the fee was about 25-30% of the total food price. This makes no sense, b/c the system is just doing a transaction. The transaction cost shouldn't be based on how much food you order. It's a basic transaction. This one reason why it's stupidly ridiculous.
On UberEats, if you lower the delivery charge (by deals or meeting the minimum order) they just shift some of that over to the service charge. It's fucked.
I don't use their service, but my friend does a lot. He is constantly complaining about how orders are messed up for various reasons, and he has to call support to get recompense. I have another friend who works for doordash, he also complains a lot about how customers will tip and then change or remove tips afterward or say they didn't receive something when they did. So, he also has to call support to get partially paid. I imagine these incidents are a big reason for some of these fees.
Doordash specifically takes a minimum 15% commission for their base level partnership (with the smallest delivery range and lowest visibility), up to 25% or more for other plans, and 6-10% for orders that are picked up by the customer. The hope is that Doordash is a different market and you're not cutting in to your normal clientele so it's just extra business because that commission is absolutely brutal and is why so many places have higher menu prices through DoorDash. It's fuckin wild.
When Door dash was just starting they'd even have their drivers place the orders like a to go order, add all the extra fees, and none of the customer service when prices were inflated or there were mistakes with the order.
Effectively yes. A lot of delivery apps don't allow restaurants to charge more though the delivery app so they menu prices to cover the fees from the company - that's also why a lot a restaraunts use in-person coupons as a way to go back to regular prices.
I mean a restaurant can charge extra for delivery and for the to-go container but that’s it and it has to be clearly pointed out before you order. So you always know upfront exactly how much you’re going to pay.
Can’t imagine living without that simple comfort, tbh.
Places that have their own delivery staff, sure, but we are talking a 3rd party delivery service, so they need their cut and the cut for the driver. The restaurant isn't charging more, the 3rd party is buying it, and you are buying it from them.
Yes. But my point is you will still know upfront how much you’re going to have to pay, exactly. There will be no mental maths you need to do to account for tax and such.
The price listed is the price that will appear on the payment terminal.
Indeed! Just ordered a lunch from a burger joint about 10km from me. A burger, fries and soda - 14,90€ + delivery fee 3,15€ and that's it. ($20,96 USD) Tip for the delivery guy was completely optional and threw in 10% of total price because I had a good morning.
I can make my own pizza for around 5 bucks and 20 minutes of 'work'. I start with one of those frozen pizza things as a base (3 for 5 euro), I add extra pepper salami, extra cheese, some jalapenos and drizzle hotsause. Put in oven for 15 minutes. Done. I can order a pizza from New York Pizza (i Know I know but it's all we got) and with delivery it's 15 euro if I use my 'member discount' or whatever its called. I can make my won coffee for about 1 euro.
I am a spoiled brat and I WILL make my pizza from scratch. With nice flour!
I think it is cheaper if you don't count labour, but you need the time and energy to make it. And to store the ingredients. Having a breadmaker makes doing the dough easier, but that's another expense, and thing to store...
if you are doing that much already you may as well look into making your own dough. I like to do mine with a long ferment poolish, it gives the pizza that yeasty bready flavor i love, like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l5nXPgwauc
Agree. My fav is refrigerated pizza (mega meat, traditional crust) from Aldi, which is wothin EZ walking distance. I add some xtra mozzarella if I remember I have a bag in the fridge.
4/4 this was taken from a reddit post that has been removed for being ai. It was accurate in many ways, enough so that it is likely to be real, not ai as claimed in its removal.
This would be easier if we could just sign up for a subscription service for the drink. Maybe a small charge of $15.99/day to have a small coffee delivered to me. Of course, I can customize this and have it made into a personalized drink for only $19.99. If I become a platinum plus subscriber, I can have options like whipped cream included for only $27.99/day.
Yes, and I fully support (literally with my orders) the ordinance. Unfortunately, the app providers have passed more than 100% of that cost to consumers, because god forbid they allow a penny of their profits go to the drivers or the restaurants.
The gall of calling paying your workers the local minimum wage as “regulatory fees”. And hiding the tip option so users aren’t put off by the final price. SMH
for both their website and as an order app, and at the start of an order it says there's a $4 delivery fee, but when I go to check out the delivery fee is $6 regardless of the size of my order, even if I keep it to the $15 minimum.
I'm fine with these services being "uncertain" about taxes, but they should be aware of, and properly declaring, their various fees. That was an automatic 1* review and uninstall of the app, and if the restaurant weren't 15 minutes away I'd avoid the website too.
It only becomes somewhat worth it if you are ordering large amounts and driving is super inconvenient. Plus when there’s deals. Sometimes you can give the driver a solid tip and get everything delivered for the same it would have cost you to drive there if the deals are good
$10.99 for a 12 piece Chick-Fil-A meal on their website. Went to Ubereats and it's $14.29. There was a delivery fee, service fee, a delivery fee discount, a service fee discount, an it prompts with a $4 tip, so my $10.99 meal is not $20.61.
I am not buying it, just did a mock run to show numbers.
People have posted the restaurants monthly invoice. These services really nickel and dime them. But so many have to accept them because they fear they will lose so much business if they don't use them.
generally speaking, raise the base price by 10-20%, add on another 15-20 in fees, another 10-30% in scaling fees, and a tip. so in short, its fairly accurate but downplays how bad you get fucked using the 'service'
I ordered a 15chf (about the same in US freedom eagles) sandwich once at work cause i didnt have time to buy lunch, and got a 20chf delivery fee for it because "current high traffic conditions".
No i didnt order it in the end. I went to the pizzeria thats 15m away from work and just ordered there for the same cost and my only delivery fee was having to walk there and back to work.
from my experience (and why I never used one), a $40 sushi order was going to be 70 before tip and that spot was close by. Uninstalled the ap and never looked back.
I love working with people like that. "I fly, you buy" - they end up paying less, and I get free food! They are a rare breed though, they don't mind paying a driver, but a friend?
I pay about $5 a month for dash pass, and those fees go away. And not all places up their prices like that, that's on the restaurant not the doordash platform. Zero to very low delivery fee if ordered within the threshold. Like $12 for fast food or $35 for groceries. Dollar general has in store prices and no delivery fee over $12 so you can get snacks and basic goods delivered. I've got littles as a single parent and loading up the car is a pain for a quick trip.
Artificial raising menu price compared to going yourself ✅ Service fee ✅ Delivery fee ✅ Tax ✅ Tip ✅ And some places, like 7-11 for example charge you another fee if you don't order enough which they call a small order fee. What bothers me isn't that deliveries can cost $8-14 more than what you ordered to have it delivered to you; but it's those additional hidden and "fuck you" fees they tack on. Like one would think that the delivery and service fee ought to be combined into one itemized fee
It's like , "Really? I thought the service was the delivery, why am I being charged twice?" And "Why is a #1 at what a burger $2 more on this app instead of what it says on their menu?" "Why am I being charged for making a small order when I just paid a service fee, delivery fee, and tip?" "Does any of this extra money except for the tip goes to the workers involved?" Nope.
Spot on. Food delivery apps charge the restaurants a fee to be listed. The restauarants recoup this fee by charging more for their menu items via the app, often like 30-50% increase. So, a $10 hamberger at a place will be $15 on the app. Then add in a delivery fee based on distance. Then service fee which seems to be dynamic based on how much food you order. Then taxes and other random shit. Now you're expected to tip based on THAT total amount. The driver gets just the tip. $50 for 2 burgers.
Must depend on the country. No such surcharges on surcharges on most restaurants that do delivery here, plenty of them do 'free delivery' when ordering over a certain amount. There will most likely be a 'service fee', but that just seems to be about a euro across the board.
Sometimes they have deals where they wave the delivery fee. None of the rest of the fees, and it still works out to twice as much as getting it yourself.
This is why I try to ONLY coupon shop and get deals that are about the same as me paying for it in person without the deals. So a $25 pizza at half off plus delivery fees and tip comes out to about $25 when its all said and done. Basically tipping the savings cause if Uber/DD/Grubhub/whoever can afford to pay for those discounts they could afford to have paid their drivers better.
This one is crazy to me. Not the part where you get a deal - the part where you imply you would pay $25 for a pizza. Don't get me wrong, this is all subjective and perhaps some pizza is worth it. But for my occasional pizza purchase I'll find a 3 topping large for 8.99 coupon and go pick it up myself and leave no tip as a result. It's a carry out only place so I don't feel like tipping is necessary. I guess I just can't fathom spending more than like $14 on a pizza. Just my perspective.
Oh it is an extra large pizza we split into 2 meals for 2 people. If I was to go in myself I could get it for like $13-14 but disability says no. This is why I want to move to a nice city where there is sidewalks and shit so I can just wheel over and not need to navigate a parking lot to get there and back.
That makes a ton of sense for your situation then! Two meals for 2 people sells it for me. That's honestly how I justify my occasional pizza purchase. Knowing that I can throw half in the fridge for the next days lunch.
well of course, if you waive the delivery fee, you still gotta cover the service fee, the upcharge, the administrative fee, the tax on these things, plus a tip for the driver cause they may as well not be getting paid
Note the "100% of your tip goes to the Dasher." That's because Doordash was caught using the tip to subsidize what they'd pay the delivery person. For example, if they told the delivery person upfront "We'll pay you $6 to deliver this," and then you tipped $2, they'd pay only $4 and the deliver person would get $6 total. They got sued for that. https://www.courthousenews.com/doordash-to-pay-16-75-million-over-stolen-tips-from-delivery-drivers/
From what I can find, they settled a few lawsuits, lost a few others, and stopped doing it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoorDash#Withholding_of_tips_and_subsequent_class-action_lawsu">wsuits">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoorDash#Withholding_of_tips_and_subsequent_class-action_lawsuits , https://www.courthousenews.com/doordash-to-pay-16-75-million-over-stolen-tips-from-delivery-drivers/
in my area they (restaurants, delivery services etc) give discounts to "new" clients, so i buy a new prepaid cards for 4.99 (for example target has them) and use them on my second phone to order stuff, it's blatantly obviously how much they rip clients off when i assemble a "basket" in my main phone and it's like $99 total vs i assemble identical basket with my secondary phone with "new" client account and it's like $59 or some absurdly low shit like that, abuse them back!
Yeah, and their DashPass is the same, if compared multiple times to a regular account and a premium one. Always been close enough as the same and once the DashPass subscriber had a higher total for the exact order.
What you dont see is the additional premium added right to the individual items. Ive seen some restaurants put a 3 dollar increase on their meals when buying them in a delivery app. It drives up the fees, taxes, and calculated driver tip.
It started off okay, but now its just obscene how much more you get charged.
They have to do that because they charge the restaurants fees as well. So you pay more, the restaurant gets less, the delivery people also get underpaid, while the middleman delivery service... loses money. They managed to create a business model where everyone loses. To be fair, fuck anyone using a delivery service to buy a single iced coffee.
Don't worry. Something better and cheaper will come along and put these companies out of business. Then prices will go up and service quality will go down until it's even worse. It's because that's why.
On the one hand, I should *not* be paying menu prices for someone else to drive to the store, get my coffee, drive to me and hand it to me. On the other hand, somehow some dinkweasel in an office who never knew I ordered the coffee made more off the coffee than the person who made it, the delivery driver, and the person who coded the app combined.
Just "ordering takeout" off a web app and then picking it up is generally 2-5 dollars mote expensive for me compared to calling. With zero apparent fees.
You can technically say $0 tip and tip after it’s delivered. Or tip some and add to it after the delivery. Don’t get me wrong, tipping in America is insane.
I'm not defending a shitty, shouldn't exist company. But I'm guessing it's so the taxes match the gps point at the time of purchase. This is an estimate because I may move my phone to a different location, not because it may be inaccurate.
I expect it's from companies' Legal departments to help protect them in case of things like states raising/lowering/adding sales taxes, cities adding things like restaurant taxes, and so on. It's probably also a way for them to shift the onus of correcting the issue to customers so that if the company overcharges taxes the customer has to file for a refund but the customer also has to pay the difference if their taxes are undercharged.
It can vary quite a bit. If you get dashpass or an equivalent it makes it quite a bit more reasonable, though that assumes you order enough. There are also discounts and deals on gift cards that can double stack. We just got 2 pizzas delivered for about $33 including fees/tips after discounts (from a local place).
The only time I use them is when they send me a coupon that makes the price actually reasonable and I'm feeling really lazy. That equates to a few times a year.
This insanity is the reason that I've not had a pizza delivered in 10y. I can literally get four frozen pizzas from the store for what they want to charge for one delivery. It's ridiculous.
My favorite is putting detailed instructions to find my house like "Only house with a garage" and they still don't get it right.. there are 3 houses on my street.. then they somehow leave it at the only door we specifically have a sign that says not to leave it there. There are 4 other doors they could put it at that would be fine..
Why? It’s the most convenient $30 you’ll ever pay for a $10 meal. The best part is that you’re barely supporting the person who was forced by the app to wait 20 minutes in restaurant to pick it up and deliver it to you!
You misunderstand. The app will often send you to a place before the food is ready so you have to sit there for 15-20 minutes before you can take the food out.
It isn't usually that profitable even for smaller retaurants. That price you pay for the food, includes a cut the restarant has to pay to the platform. "No one is being forced " is how you reply. For many that would simply mean not existing at all in the eyes of the customers, ie. not existing at all.
Whenever possible, use the restaurants own webshop/phonenumber/pidgeon.
I would not use it to order a cup of coffee. But I have no transportation other than my feet or public transit. And my city bus system ceases at 6:00 PM (though there are still LA metro busses to be had at that hour).
Ohdearaudrey
Don’t forget the small cart fee
volkheath
Been done with DoorDash ever since they engaged in the “DoorDash grandma” bullshit at the White (trash) House a couple months ago. The company is cool with being a prop for the Pedo, fuck ‘em. I’ll save my money.
KingofRogues
i cant believe people still use these services. paying extra for cold food.
TallynNyntyg
I don't know which kind of teaching is worse: this, or the one professor I had who'd ask a question to the class, then sit back with a smirk so that every answer people gave would feel wrong because he wouldn't answer.
JimmieRustlin
I remember when you could order a pizza from the local pizza place and only have to pay extra to tip the driver. I'm an old, so I remember when those pizza places actually introduced a "delivery fee," and it was like $1.00, and people were still pissed. Not pissed enough, clearly...my local domino's charges $4.99 for their delivery fee, and people still pay it. I get the "lazy tax" but these days there are too many middle men taking too much for too little returned value.
samanthadlcruz
He left out the extra markup on the item price (well over what the restaurant charges)
BestofUwU
I'm going start cramming as many "whywouldyathink" and "youdon'tseehow" s into my sentences as I can till someone calls me out on it.
lopix
Don't forget that they charge $6.75 for a $4.95 coffee. THEN add all the other bullshit. That's how a $5 coffee becomes $20 by the time it gets to you.
B3N15
The one time a delivery app made sense was when I had a cast on my leg for a month and I paid for the local grocery store to deliver my groceries for me
Hopefullbliss44
I once made $12 dollars delivering a single shrimp cocktail from one city to another, around 25 minutes away. Thats what I the driver made. Meaning this person spent well over twenty dollars, at least, for a half hour old shrimp cocktail. I had a cooler bag, but wtf.
iamlegendinjapan
You don't see how?
youreathing
whywouldyouthink
OtisTDrunk
You Don't See How
Noahbalboa82
Doordash and Uber eats. Duck amazing disruptors! Managed to make delivery 3x more expensive!
Mostlydeadpool
yeah, i find it's pretty bullshit that companies that offer delivery charge a flat fee on top of any sort of tip. pizza looking at you.
TI99Kitty
Eh, I used to do pizza delivery, for Pizza Hut. At the time, it was $1 for delivery, which went to the delivery driver, as compensation for gas. And that started mainly because most people didn't tip their delivery driver, and the ones who did, certainly didn't tip enough so the driver could afford the gas.
And Pizza Hut certainly wasn't going to pay us more per hour, so we could afford gas, maintenance, and repairs on our vehicles.
tantallous
yes but now every single place has a fee and explicitly states that it is not paying the driver.
TI99Kitty
Wow, that's pretty shitty.
youreathing
I love this guy. Youdontseehow.
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
These practices exist because people don't vote them away with their wallet. If most people would boycot businesses that did this they would cut it out real quick. But people are lazy and unwilling to change old habits so they keep supporting their favourite companies even when these companies are lubing their anti-consumer dildos and telling them to bend over.
notblat
My sibling in existence, delivery apps pulled an Amazon and undercut businesses' in-house delivery systems by operating at huge losses. Now that we're here, there are like 2 delivery apps total in a pseudo-monopoly where there *are no alternatives* - consumers no longer have any choice in the matter. If you want delivery, you have to pay the exorbitant fees. Inb4 "stop being lazy!" - some people don't have reliable transportation or life circumstances that allow them to home cook often.
huffnpuff72
Door dash et al are parasites.
Azazael79
Tip? Nevver. Only if they sevice me more than expected. I am from a country where tipping is for some extraordinary service. A free country, ..weeee. we also have healtcare for all
Superchief86
I love this guy!
Bystandr
NOOoooOooo!
stonecoldstevebuschemi
RTK4740
I hate the way he says this word. I realize it's the hilarious point and it's effective. But he is very good at making me angry when he says it each time.
Elonth
about to make this a friends ringtone.
Bystandr
LtGenObvious
Why would you think…?
ostensiblystupid
It’s because that’s why
GasBandit
y'on'tseehow?
michiyl
It's still not enough!
Jagshusband
As someone who has tried to explain tennis rules to someone before, his video where he does this is generally funny.
ThatRaccoonGuy
At some point you pay as much to have a single coffee delivered two times, as I pay to have a pound of freshly-roasted beans delivered. I can't wrap my head around still buying fast food unless I'm traveling and have no choice.
astrangehop
Even then.. 12 car line for McDonald's? It's not awful, but im not waiting 50 mi yes to buy a big Mac for 14 dollars. Just go to a diner.
ThatRaccoonGuy
Grocery stores have decent fast food too.
sadurdaynight
Was messing around on Doordash adding and removing various items from one restaurants menu to see how much the total would be. The Doordash service fee went up as I added more stuff, down as I removed it. Realized the fee was about 25-30% of the total food price. This makes no sense, b/c the system is just doing a transaction. The transaction cost shouldn't be based on how much food you order. It's a basic transaction. This one reason why it's stupidly ridiculous.
IWouldLickThat
On UberEats, if you lower the delivery charge (by deals or meeting the minimum order) they just shift some of that over to the service charge. It's fucked.
Axeltw
I don't use their service, but my friend does a lot. He is constantly complaining about how orders are messed up for various reasons, and he has to call support to get recompense. I have another friend who works for doordash, he also complains a lot about how customers will tip and then change or remove tips afterward or say they didn't receive something when they did. So, he also has to call support to get partially paid. I imagine these incidents are a big reason for some of these fees.
lightfoot2
So the people who come into the restaurant subsidize the doordash fees?
DangerBrijowt
Doordash specifically takes a minimum 15% commission for their base level partnership (with the smallest delivery range and lowest visibility), up to 25% or more for other plans, and 6-10% for orders that are picked up by the customer. The hope is that Doordash is a different market and you're not cutting in to your normal clientele so it's just extra business because that commission is absolutely brutal and is why so many places have higher menu prices through DoorDash. It's fuckin wild.
iktome99
When Door dash was just starting they'd even have their drivers place the orders like a to go order, add all the extra fees, and none of the customer service when prices were inflated or there were mistakes with the order.
Tigirus
Effectively yes. A lot of delivery apps don't allow restaurants to charge more though the delivery app so they menu prices to cover the fees from the company - that's also why a lot a restaraunts use in-person coupons as a way to go back to regular prices.
lightfoot2
Hm, sounds a lot like how health care is done in the US. Kudos to delivery apps for fucking everything to that level.
Yasashii93
This shit’s illegal here. Greetings from the EU.
I mean a restaurant can charge extra for delivery and for the to-go container but that’s it and it has to be clearly pointed out before you order. So you always know upfront exactly how much you’re going to pay.
Can’t imagine living without that simple comfort, tbh.
echonite
Places that have their own delivery staff, sure, but we are talking a 3rd party delivery service, so they need their cut and the cut for the driver. The restaurant isn't charging more, the 3rd party is buying it, and you are buying it from them.
Yasashii93
Yes. But my point is you will still know upfront how much you’re going to have to pay, exactly. There will be no mental maths you need to do to account for tax and such.
The price listed is the price that will appear on the payment terminal.
echonite
The only time that wouldn't happen here is if an item can have a variable cost, IE something priced by weight.
Sipulikeitto
Indeed! Just ordered a lunch from a burger joint about 10km from me. A burger, fries and soda - 14,90€ + delivery fee 3,15€ and that's it. ($20,96 USD)
Tip for the delivery guy was completely optional and threw in 10% of total price because I had a good morning.
GrandmasterSpank
I can make my own pizza for around 5 bucks and 20 minutes of 'work'. I start with one of those frozen pizza things as a base (3 for 5 euro), I add extra pepper salami, extra cheese, some jalapenos and drizzle hotsause. Put in oven for 15 minutes. Done. I can order a pizza from New York Pizza (i Know I know but it's all we got) and with delivery it's 15 euro if I use my 'member discount' or whatever its called. I can make my won coffee for about 1 euro.
GrandmasterSpank
*own
HonHomes
I am a spoiled brat and I WILL make my pizza from scratch. With nice flour!
I think it is cheaper if you don't count labour, but you need the time and energy to make it. And to store the ingredients. Having a breadmaker makes doing the dough easier, but that's another expense, and thing to store...
1280X1024
if you are doing that much already you may as well look into making your own dough. I like to do mine with a long ferment poolish, it gives the pizza that yeasty bready flavor i love, like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l5nXPgwauc
EatPieLander
Agree. My fav is refrigerated pizza (mega meat, traditional crust) from Aldi, which is wothin EZ walking distance. I add some xtra mozzarella if I remember I have a bag in the fridge.
kurvarVillain
1/4
kurvarVillain
3/4
kurvarVillain
4/4 this was taken from a reddit post that has been removed for being ai. It was accurate in many ways, enough so that it is likely to be real, not ai as claimed in its removal.
sevenpastzeero
Damn. And I thought living in Iraq is bad.
kurvarVillain
2/4
Makerofthingsmasherofstuff
This would be easier if we could just sign up for a subscription service for the drink. Maybe a small charge of $15.99/day to have a small coffee delivered to me. Of course, I can customize this and have it made into a personalized drink for only $19.99. If I become a platinum plus subscriber, I can have options like whipped cream included for only $27.99/day.
Plus, I get a free cookie on my birthday.
imNotThisCleverIRL
And this is how a simple $35 meal easily costs more than $100 in Seattle on DoorDash.
dixxienormus
Only for the criminally Insane.
EscalatorCongestion
DoorDash is designed by millionaires for millionaires
FrederickRaymond
Belgian here. And you still using the device?
seedye
https://www.geekwire.com/2026/seattle-report-says-gig-worker-pay-law-is-working-countering-claims-by-doordash-and-uber/
imNotThisCleverIRL
Yes, and I fully support (literally with my orders) the ordinance. Unfortunately, the app providers have passed more than 100% of that cost to consumers, because god forbid they allow a penny of their profits go to the drivers or the restaurants.
seedye
The gall of calling paying your workers the local minimum wage as “regulatory fees”. And hiding the tip option so users aren’t put off by the final price. SMH
imNotThisCleverIRL
For DoorDash, at least, the tip isn’t hidden. In fact, if you don’t select a tip, in addition to the service, it prompts you.
xHeavYx
Same with Uber Eats, but at the same time, seeing that the additional fees are almost as expensive as the food cost helps me to avoid eating crap.
Casually
I have never used one of these apps. How close to accurate is this?
Marikhen
The number, types, and BS of the fees? Very. The fees themselves? Not always. Beyond Menu is what my preferred Chinese restaurant uses ->
Marikhen
for both their website and as an order app, and at the start of an order it says there's a $4 delivery fee, but when I go to check out the delivery fee is $6 regardless of the size of my order, even if I keep it to the $15 minimum.
I'm fine with these services being "uncertain" about taxes, but they should be aware of, and properly declaring, their various fees. That was an automatic 1* review and uninstall of the app, and if the restaurant weren't 15 minutes away I'd avoid the website too.
DianNaoChong
The part where the price is more expensive for the coffee in the app vs store is low balling it.
buttcreambandit
It only becomes somewhat worth it if you are ordering large amounts and driving is super inconvenient. Plus when there’s deals. Sometimes you can give the driver a solid tip and get everything delivered for the same it would have cost you to drive there if the deals are good
Shade169
assume youll pay twice what it actually costs
MyVirginityIsGrowingBack
$10.99 for a 12 piece Chick-Fil-A meal on their website. Went to Ubereats and it's $14.29. There was a delivery fee, service fee, a delivery fee discount, a service fee discount, an it prompts with a $4 tip, so my $10.99 meal is not $20.61.
I am not buying it, just did a mock run to show numbers.
InfocalypseRising
It's exaggerated, but not a LOT.
CarlBassett
People have posted the restaurants monthly invoice. These services really nickel and dime them. But so many have to accept them because they fear they will lose so much business if they don't use them.
ilovetraveler
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Lazarillo
I used one during Covid and ended up paying like $25 for a $12 order. I've heard it's only gotten worse.
zylokun
They're lowballing it actually.
Renza0
generally speaking, raise the base price by 10-20%, add on another 15-20 in fees, another 10-30% in scaling fees, and a tip. so in short, its fairly accurate but downplays how bad you get fucked using the 'service'
Clayman8
I ordered a 15chf (about the same in US freedom eagles) sandwich once at work cause i didnt have time to buy lunch, and got a 20chf delivery fee for it because "current high traffic conditions".
No i didnt order it in the end. I went to the pizzeria thats 15m away from work and just ordered there for the same cost and my only delivery fee was having to walk there and back to work.
DeanSledgehammer
It didn't used to be like that...
SarcasticComment
from my experience (and why I never used one), a $40 sushi order was going to be 70 before tip and that spot was close by. Uninstalled the ap and never looked back.
DianNaoChong
Tbh once a year is a treat, sometimes you can get offers to make it worth it
MikeRInternetTraveler
Same. But I know people that get fast food delivered daily. It’s absolutely insane.
MADhouse64
I love working with people like that. "I fly, you buy" - they end up paying less, and I get free food! They are a rare breed though, they don't mind paying a driver, but a friend?
DethKap
My brother does this and then complains he has no money.
boobityboobityboobity
I pay about $5 a month for dash pass, and those fees go away. And not all places up their prices like that, that's on the restaurant not the doordash platform. Zero to very low delivery fee if ordered within the threshold. Like $12 for fast food or $35 for groceries. Dollar general has in store prices and no delivery fee over $12 so you can get snacks and basic goods delivered. I've got littles as a single parent and loading up the car is a pain for a quick trip.
Smough75
Same. 51, never used any food delivery app. Can't even fathom doing so.
Ivalicenyan
Artificial raising menu price compared to going yourself ✅
Service fee ✅
Delivery fee ✅
Tax ✅
Tip ✅
And some places, like 7-11 for example charge you another fee if you don't order enough which they call a small order fee.
What bothers me isn't that deliveries can cost $8-14 more than what you ordered to have it delivered to you; but it's those additional hidden and "fuck you" fees they tack on. Like one would think that the delivery and service fee ought to be combined into one itemized fee
Ivalicenyan
It's like , "Really? I thought the service was the delivery, why am I being charged twice?" And "Why is a #1 at what a burger $2 more on this app instead of what it says on their menu?" "Why am I being charged for making a small order when I just paid a service fee, delivery fee, and tip?"
"Does any of this extra money except for the tip goes to the workers involved?" Nope.
sadurdaynight
Spot on. Food delivery apps charge the restaurants a fee to be listed. The restauarants recoup this fee by charging more for their menu items via the app, often like 30-50% increase. So, a $10 hamberger at a place will be $15 on the app. Then add in a delivery fee based on distance. Then service fee which seems to be dynamic based on how much food you order. Then taxes and other random shit. Now you're expected to tip based on THAT total amount. The driver gets just the tip. $50 for 2 burgers.
Emjayen
It varies, but it's always a scam. Individual menu items here are marked up ~60%, then yeah a bunch of arbitrary additional fees.
BeezusQ
Very
BurnieCinders
I've used them when drunk or after surgery. Less than 15 times in my life.
INeedMoreGifMeMoreJustOneMore
Must depend on the country. No such surcharges on surcharges on most restaurants that do delivery here, plenty of them do 'free delivery' when ordering over a certain amount. There will most likely be a 'service fee', but that just seems to be about a euro across the board.
FTUG
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PorneliusHubertII
Very.
drizztx
Not even close. Add another $10 at least. Pizzas that normally cost $10 were almost $23 *BEFORE* all the fees last I checked. Hilarious.
Ebo352
Assume you are paying $10-15 for delivery, and then paying an extra 10-15% per item in the order over in-store prices.
I used to use them more, but, now, even with BOGO, not worth it in 99.9% of the time.
Eyeetsass
Sometimes they have deals where they wave the delivery fee. None of the rest of the fees, and it still works out to twice as much as getting it yourself.
sithney
waive. i am being a horrible pedantic person. i am sorry.
Eyeetsass
What do you mean?
sithney
waive means to forgo a debt; wave means to undulate.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
This is why I try to ONLY coupon shop and get deals that are about the same as me paying for it in person without the deals. So a $25 pizza at half off plus delivery fees and tip comes out to about $25 when its all said and done. Basically tipping the savings cause if Uber/DD/Grubhub/whoever can afford to pay for those discounts they could afford to have paid their drivers better.
jaysjunkymail11
This one is crazy to me. Not the part where you get a deal - the part where you imply you would pay $25 for a pizza. Don't get me wrong, this is all subjective and perhaps some pizza is worth it. But for my occasional pizza purchase I'll find a 3 topping large for 8.99 coupon and go pick it up myself and leave no tip as a result. It's a carry out only place so I don't feel like tipping is necessary. I guess I just can't fathom spending more than like $14 on a pizza. Just my perspective.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Oh it is an extra large pizza we split into 2 meals for 2 people. If I was to go in myself I could get it for like $13-14 but disability says no. This is why I want to move to a nice city where there is sidewalks and shit so I can just wheel over and not need to navigate a parking lot to get there and back.
jaysjunkymail11
That makes a ton of sense for your situation then! Two meals for 2 people sells it for me. That's honestly how I justify my occasional pizza purchase. Knowing that I can throw half in the fridge for the next days lunch.
Renza0
well of course, if you waive the delivery fee, you still gotta cover the service fee, the upcharge, the administrative fee, the tax on these things, plus a tip for the driver cause they may as well not be getting paid
swofromtherock
marsilies
Note the "100% of your tip goes to the Dasher." That's because Doordash was caught using the tip to subsidize what they'd pay the delivery person. For example, if they told the delivery person upfront "We'll pay you $6 to deliver this," and then you tipped $2, they'd pay only $4 and the deliver person would get $6 total. They got sued for that. https://www.courthousenews.com/doordash-to-pay-16-75-million-over-stolen-tips-from-delivery-drivers/
ButtscratchMcPherson
Christ, what a bunch of ***holes.
CommunCreator
I would still zero it out and then hand the driver his tip in cash. Deprive them of the opportunity to skim it.
AydenBeeson
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zylokun
They also won that lawsuit and still do it.
marsilies
From what I can find, they settled a few lawsuits, lost a few others, and stopped doing it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoorDash#Withholding_of_tips_and_subsequent_class-action_lawsu">wsuits">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoorDash#Withholding_of_tips_and_subsequent_class-action_lawsuits , https://www.courthousenews.com/doordash-to-pay-16-75-million-over-stolen-tips-from-delivery-drivers/
MidnaDS
With that many fees, they may as well add a fee fee.
TakeAChillPill16
And a fee calculation fee.
MelodyLightfoot
and a Fee fi fo fum
TakeAChillPill16
Everything above in the picture is reasonable except the service fee. Eff that.
Felberin
Love how you almost get free coffee with that awesome sale. "Free coffee, just pay the fees" could be new fancy way to do buisness there I see :O
BerryButcher
in my area they (restaurants, delivery services etc) give discounts to "new" clients, so i buy a new prepaid cards for 4.99 (for example target has them) and use them on my second phone to order stuff, it's blatantly obviously how much they rip clients off when i assemble a "basket" in my main phone and it's like $99 total vs i assemble identical basket with my secondary phone with "new" client account and it's like $59 or some absurdly low shit like that, abuse them back!
swofromtherock
Yeah, and their DashPass is the same, if compared multiple times to a regular account and a premium one. Always been close enough as the same and once the DashPass subscriber had a higher total for the exact order.
CrowleyisbetterthanCass
What you dont see is the additional premium added right to the individual items. Ive seen some restaurants put a 3 dollar increase on their meals when buying them in a delivery app. It drives up the fees, taxes, and calculated driver tip.
It started off okay, but now its just obscene how much more you get charged.
marsilies
They have to do that because they charge the restaurants fees as well. So you pay more, the restaurant gets less, the delivery people also get underpaid, while the middleman delivery service... loses money. They managed to create a business model where everyone loses. To be fair, fuck anyone using a delivery service to buy a single iced coffee.
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FreeTheTiddy
Correction. It was actually 90g more patty. I confused it with another burger. Still doesn't add up to 6 extra bucks. They buy them in bulk anyway.
Corpsemonger
Don't worry. Something better and cheaper will come along and put these companies out of business. Then prices will go up and service quality will go down until it's even worse. It's because that's why.
swofromtherock
Sometimes yes, but not in my given example.
That's a single iced coffee from a local shop.
azazyel
I had my wife save an order on the app so I could use that to order at the restaurant and the prices were the same.
bubbarex901337
Damm. Came with receipts
swofromtherock
Just pulled up a quick order to help someone with a question.
KuldFyt
On the one hand, I should *not* be paying menu prices for someone else to drive to the store, get my coffee, drive to me and hand it to me. On the other hand, somehow some dinkweasel in an office who never knew I ordered the coffee made more off the coffee than the person who made it, the delivery driver, and the person who coded the app combined.
astrangehop
Just "ordering takeout" off a web app and then picking it up is generally 2-5 dollars mote expensive for me compared to calling. With zero apparent fees.
Quixus
Yeah that is because you cut out some of the middlemen.
Morganelefay
I'm lucky enough to live in a country where the tip comes AFTER the delivery and isn't expected. Saves so much of the bullshit.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
"Cmon a 20% tip and the food will still get there half cold! This is a perfect system."
sendmeyourpitbulls
You can technically say $0 tip and tip after it’s delivered. Or tip some and add to it after the delivery. Don’t get me wrong, tipping in America is insane.
BishlamekGurpgork
Yeah, but I want someone to actually take the order, and I also want them to take some care with it.
expectnothingstillletdown
The problem with doing that is a lot of delivery drivers will not even accept the order if it doesn't have a big enough tip.
wadatahmydamie
I’m old enough to remember when delivery was Menu price + tip
CycloneSP
ikr? restaurants actually had their own delivery service, pizza was especially known for this. now they all use delivery apps and prices are
CycloneSP
completely insane now. it's ridiculous. and delivery 'service' is worse than it's ever been despite "covering a wider range" of options
zagibu
"Estimated" tax?
swofromtherock
zagibu
Yeah, but why is it just estimated? Shouldn't it be possible to just calculate it?
swofromtherock
I'm not defending a shitty, shouldn't exist company. But I'm guessing it's so the taxes match the gps point at the time of purchase. This is an estimate because I may move my phone to a different location, not because it may be inaccurate.
Marikhen
I expect it's from companies' Legal departments to help protect them in case of things like states raising/lowering/adding sales taxes, cities adding things like restaurant taxes, and so on. It's probably also a way for them to shift the onus of correcting the issue to customers so that if the company overcharges taxes the customer has to file for a refund but the customer also has to pay the difference if their taxes are undercharged.
Casually
Thanks, I will continue to not use these apps.
theskepticinme
Right behind you. I haven ordered delivery since extra fees began appearing on pizza orders. I noped out and started picking up immediately
Foijer
It can vary quite a bit. If you get dashpass or an equivalent it makes it quite a bit more reasonable, though that assumes you order enough. There are also discounts and deals on gift cards that can double stack. We just got 2 pizzas delivered for about $33 including fees/tips after discounts (from a local place).
Cheers
SirDaemos
The only time I use them is when they send me a coupon that makes the price actually reasonable and I'm feeling really lazy. That equates to a few times a year.
BeaverOnFire
This insanity is the reason that I've not had a pizza delivered in 10y. I can literally get four frozen pizzas from the store for what they want to charge for one delivery. It's ridiculous.
SirDaemos
This is one I will disagree with. An actually good pizza place vs frozen pizza are not even in the same food group.
swofromtherock
Only worth it if you're incapacitated.
Isthe4thtimethecharm
I find it worthwhile when I have extra money and I order something I can eat on for 2 or more days. But yeah definitely pay more.
Casually
That makes perfect sense.
ProfessorBanesworth
Is "lazy af" a form of incapacitated? Because 99% of my calories come from Uber Eats. *deep shame*
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
I am incapacitated... BARELY
Thegreenestthumb9
Considering I usually have to hunt down wherever they've dumped my order, it's not even good for that
eventide215
My favorite is putting detailed instructions to find my house like "Only house with a garage" and they still don't get it right.. there are 3 houses on my street.. then they somehow leave it at the only door we specifically have a sign that says not to leave it there. There are 4 other doors they could put it at that would be fine..
ForceAwakenWasLame
Fee > drunk driving
ancalime
Feels like there should be a third option
ostensiblystupid
Why? It’s the most convenient $30 you’ll ever pay for a $10 meal. The best part is that you’re barely supporting the person who was forced by the app to wait 20 minutes in restaurant to pick it up and deliver it to you!
BJWTech
No one is being forced. Wild that you frame it that way.
ostensiblystupid
You misunderstand. The app will often send you to a place before the food is ready so you have to sit there for 15-20 minutes before you can take the food out.
gnomedeplume
Sure man, dude has so many better options than work as a gig economy contractor with no benefits or security, just doing it for funsies
WhyWouldIUseMyRealNick
It isn't usually that profitable even for smaller retaurants. That price you pay for the food, includes a cut the restarant has to pay to the platform. "No one is being forced " is how you reply. For many that would simply mean not existing at all in the eyes of the customers, ie. not existing at all.
Whenever possible, use the restaurants own webshop/phonenumber/pidgeon.
alcaray
I would not use it to order a cup of coffee. But I have no transportation other than my feet or public transit. And my city bus system ceases at 6:00 PM (though there are still LA metro busses to be had at that hour).