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Feb 19, 2021 12:24 AM
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limbodog
I've been very close to that edge. It is a tragedy, but it is also selfish.
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
I understand fine, go fuck yourself.
BackstagePam
When you’re that depressed, you are CONVINCED that disappearing will be better for everyone around you. Your depression makes you think you
BackstagePam
are a burden and everyone would be much better off without you. The mind is very powerful.
sarkonas
Them: "sUiCiDe iS sElFiSh" Me: K? Selfishness wouldn't be my worst trait anyway.
MiniJeanne360
U can't really SAVE someone else. U can put your arms around them. U can reassure them that they're loved & needed daily. I don't get either
AFistfulOfDollHairs
I had a friend who killed himself. He was the nicest, happiest, friendliest guy I knew. Never saw it coming. Check up on your friends.
wadenelson
Suicide ends horrific suffering. Who are YOU to tell someone else they must continue to suffer.
Mayokopp
Exactly. Also me being forced to live a life I hate so others don't have to deal with my death is not selfish? Bullshit
erroreee
Always makes me angry when I talk about suicide and people get mad at me like my ability to recognize death as not necessarily a bad thing
erroreee
When to me it's more like choosing my brand of toothbrush.
Toxicempanada
whats wrong with it being a bit selfish? Why should i carry on a miserable existence for the sake of others? I never understood the argument
iamspartan1262
Real talk, I was close to stepping off that edge few times in the last few years. But because I didn't, I was able to save a a drowning
iamspartan1262
Child from the river. The thought still fucks me up
sandwichmunchies
Yeah. I think about it everyday. But my mom is just a Saint and I couldn't do that to her. Not after I tried the first time.
Couldicareless
cloel
I have been close to that edge and I didn't do it cause I didn't want to hurt other people. My little brother is what got me through.
OldGnarDog
It's a never ending battle with childhood demons for myself.
kerms
You know what's fuckin selfish? Forcing people to live just because you'd be sad if they were gone.
Jepalaudsadsin
Man, you know how often from my family I'm told "everyone's depressed, get passed it" or "you're using it as a crutch." Sucks when you can't
Jepalaudsadsin
Even count on family
BendOverAndIllShowYa
It can be both a symptom of a tragic disease and inherently selfish. Both can be true.
Hookersandblackjack
No, it's not. I attempted 3 years ago, and it was my brain telling me the solution to all my problems was death, and once that takes hold...
Hookersandblackjack
Death becomes something you want and need so badly, you crave it you'll do anything to hasten it, hence killing yourself. I know and lived i
BendOverAndIllShowYa
I understand. Glad you didn’t go through with it and hope you have a support system. It’s a lifelong struggle, at least it is for me.
katicaV
I am glad you are still here... I’m sorry that you had to go through this...From teens to young adult I struggled with suicide ideation.
IhaveAgunNotHereButIhaveOne
Fuck everyone downvoting you. I'm glad you're here too. Stay strong.
phonoodle415
Benzos + alcohol made me suicidal. Fck thatp sht
awesomecat42
I've never been near that edge, but I've helped pull friends away from it. It's a terrifying struggle, I greatly respect those who fight it.
GadenKerensky
From what I've heard, it IS selfish. That's the whole damn point. That's why saying it's selfish doesn't work to prevent it.
iwilldownvoteyourcat
these 'wise words' state suicide is inevitable as proof it's not selfish. hell of a rationalization to feel better about it.
jooooooooooooe
It should be noted that often depression only hits that point due to lack of supports. People that have half decent supports will often see1
jooooooooooooe
Which is an indictment of society. Not any individuals who personally knew someone who killed themselves. Just to be clear.
PopcornScuba3000
This is a dangerously untrue statement.
jooooooooooooe
other possibilities. 2
skittlefartsandjigglytits
My family called me selfish after my 1st attempt. Made me feel like even worse of a person and led to my 2nd attempt.
FelineFatal
I'm glad you're still here. My attempt was meant to be unselfish, not to burden my family anymore. But they're glad I'm still here too. Hugs
skittlefartsandjigglytits
Thank you! I’m glad you’re here too. I’m in a much better place now...with a good distance between me and the family who thinks I’m selfish
Soulshade
Find good professional help, you can find happiness with depression. Its a bit rough, but the payouts for making it through are amazing.
skittlefartsandjigglytits
Thanks. I’m in a much better place now. But you’re right that the road will always be a little rocky.
Soulshade
Keep up the good fight!
Evi1Gav
In some cases, that's true. In some cases, it's not. Depression has no one size fits all. Absolutes like this are but helpful.
NorseGod222
You know- The only reason I am not dead right now, is because I don’t want my family and friends to feel anything close to the pain I feel
NorseGod222
I care and love people close to me so I chose to suffer through this life and endure the pain so they hopefully won’t have to.
Slixxerman
To some suicide is about people that are trapped in their own insane minds and only see one way out
hashomerachianochi
Or their bodies. Chronic pain, cancer, muscle atrophy, a lot of things can make one wish for an ending.
sadurdaynight
They don't see things getting better, only worse. So, choose to end things early.
marthisthing
Like aging, for example.
WhyDontYouMakeMe
Don't label us as insane, it makes it easy to dismiss the causes. My attempt was when I was perfectly lucid and made a calculated decision
iwilldownvoteyourcat
mrshinethediamond
It's about pain. Emotional, physical, mental. It becomes unbearable and they can't see a way to relieve the pain.
AtmaDarkwolf
Sure can. Death ends all pain. Choosing 'how' you go out makes that once choice 'yours' Again like said above, until you have faced it
AtmaDarkwolf
you can't go on and list how insane, silly, illogical, etc the action is, since its a path you have been lucky enough to avoid.
epicfail48
Its not insanity, dont dismiss it as such. Its a perfectly lucid realization that the pain is just too much to deal with
conflictmuffins
There is no way out. I want to scream. I don't belong here.
jooooooooooooe
For almost all external factors greatly exacerbate, or outright cause, the internal issues. External factors we can change.
victoCorgiBaron
But for that to work, one has to look inside them, understand, see. Reconnect their isolated minds to tge people outside of it.
marthisthing
And we do that how?
iwilldownvoteyourcat
Virgozer
I used to feel that suicide was the ultimate in cowardice. Now, I know better, how heavy the burden of mere existence is for some.1/2
Virgozer
2/2 Their body their choice. Whether brain chems are just off or there is a deadly disease that will only deplete them. Surviving can suck.
TheNLK
People call it selfish, but it's also selfish to want someone to live in agony on your behalf. The only cowards are the ones that abandon1/2
TheNLK
people that depend on them (spouse/children etc)
OptimisticSchrodinger
Was told “suicide doesn’t end the pain, it just transfers it to those who love you “. It’s the reason why I’m still here.
mattgriffin18411
And just adds to the guilt I already feel. Terrible spiral this is
iwilldownvoteyourcat
also makes your family and friends more likely to kill themselves too, so that's a neat after effect
isteponmykidstoys
My mom would miss me. My daughter would too, and I’d miss my dog :( Some days are easier than others.
P0werSurg3
Real question: Do you feel your family saved you from death or is holding you hostage in life?
homechef88
False dichotomy for me. They aren't saving me nor holding me hostage just because I don't want to make them suffer.
caerulakid
Great phrasing. Latter for me.
OptimisticSchrodinger
They saved me. I’m on antidepressants and am enjoying life now.
Evi1Gav
The latter. In many ways I hate members of my family who managed to make me promise years ago to "not do something stupid".
skydivmonster
Holy shit? I felt the weight of this question. Never pondered it until now and I don’t like my answer.
Penthesilean
The latter. And I’m tired of pretending it’s not.
iamspartan1262
I can't bring myself to hurt my mother like that or to make my dogs wonder where I am. I'm glad you're still here also
OptimisticSchrodinger
Thanks, back atcha!
OptimisticSchrodinger
Thanks, back atcha!
mrshinethediamond
That's really unfair on the person suffering.
kerms
Grief is not nearly as intense as the sheer weight of extreme depression.
marthisthing
Hard call. Losing my dog vs living with depression. One begets the other. Both suck.
moshpitmolly
Complicated grief can lead to extreme depression so I don't know if you can separate the two to clearly.
Soulshade
Thats how I made it through my teenage years. Didnt want to hurt the few people that I knew. However, seek help
zeroisnothing
MrFnortner
Knowing that we live for the sake of others in this way is an acknowledgement that we are born to be their slaves That itself is no life.
NaughtButOne
Read the comments on the next suicide eulogy. *I'm* so sad. *We* never saw this coming. It's never about the deceased.
crazymojomonkey
I've tried to switch to saying, "they succumbed to suicide instead of the committed suicide" Typically it's more accurate - although I have-
crazymojomonkey
known two people who did it to hurt others. At 53 yrs I seem to have known far more than my fair share of people who've taken their life :(
zeroisnothing
"My cousin Nick fought with demons and he lost the fight" might be one way to address it. Lyrics from Christmas Creek wish you were here
Nihilarious
this
Toxicempanada
Its nice to hear someone else has the same argument. I hate the “its selfish” reasoning
Dinos91
I've attempted suicide, and it is selfish. My sadness at 17 would have been massively outweighed by my parents' grief for decades.
Dinos91
It can be tragic, but also a selfish act. They aren't exclusive. My Uncle is gone, but his parents' grief will follow them to their grave.>
Dinos91
It's still a tragic outcome, and it feels like you're helping you're loved ones when you decide to go for it. But it's still selfish.
Rahava
When you think you are helping someone you aren't pulling a selfish act. Genuinely trying to help is antithetical to selfishness. Suicide1/2
Rahava
Is the last act someone takes to have control over their illness. A lack of control over one's life is the base of almost all attempts.
itslikeadisco
So you should just be unbearably miserable for the rest of your life living with immense suffering so other people don’t have to feel sad?
VintoPiCat
Who says it's for the rest of your life? Is that not just a thought? Everything can change!
LiteralFish
That's how I've always seen it. That viewpoint always made me feel even more like I didn't matter. It was all about everyone else.
DigYourselfBaby