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How Japan plans to transform Tokyo for the 2020 Olympics.
Sep 17, 2018 6:11 AM
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MVPF
I was into it until "solar roads". These things are bullshit
Imhereforthelurking
Japan might be the Country that by their love of beauracracy and collective effort, can plan for the Olympic games, and not bankrupt itself.
glowingpotato
I can't believe they will be able to send faxes with sustainable energies. They are so much in the future!!!
regicidalveggie
Better to use the games to spark innovation and positive change than go into debt and create a poo lagoon
sweawesome
Solar roadways for cars is probably one of the dumbest things alot of people seem to believe in. Literall garbage.
sweawesome
pizza pie
Jaron58
If it’s not one gundam/ mecha/ cyborg imma be pissed
tarquinious
HamsterFightClub
Godzilla approves
n080dy123
He better stay the hell away, we don't want him destroying Tokyo AGAIN.
MarvinTheMartiansDog
Its only a few years after the Olympics that it looks like Godzilla destroyed the city.
VastMajorityRule
LuffyFett
graehall
Japan's plan for the 2020 olympics is way cooler than China's plan for 2020, their weird highly intrusive digital dictatorship.
LeftHandPanda
If anyone can do it, Japan can.
iPez
I doubt most of those
reversinatir
This did not age well
CeilYurei
solar roads don't work though
clawthewolf
Well, these tests will be definite proof of that then, wont they?
cbale2000
They might near the equator in low-traffic areas
CeilYurei
except shadows. and angle of sun at anything other than noon. ANd water.And construction damage.
GiantSquanchy
Barely even feasible as a side walk. Driving 2 ton vehicles on solar panels is dumb
cbale2000
I didn't say it wasn't dumb, just that it 'might' be feasible, albeit, completely impractical and not cost-effective.
XequR
I mean that's cool and all but I doubt that this will be all done in less than 2 years.
spaceasaurus
It’s been in the works for a while now
whoisyourdaddy
They are not starting this week, it's been underway for some time now. Also Japanese tend to be excellent project managers.
whoisyourdaddy
especially when it comes to schedules.
davidkoenig19894
When i was in tokyo i saw them renew a piece of road in one day... in germany stuff like that takes weeks. I believe they can do it
YouThinkThatsBad
In the US it takes a few years due to the politics of who needs to get involved and debates on if that’s an important use of funds. 1/2
YouThinkThatsBad
years ago a bridge in Seattle was destroyed and after living south of it, in a poorer part of town, that bridge wasn’t repaired for 7+ 2/3
YouThinkThatsBad
years and increased the driving time to those neighborhoods by about 20 minutes from the city center
pyroshen
That's some 2020 vision
froggyzoomzoomEABOD
Tokyo is a very cool place but already EXTREMELY expensive to visit. It’s going to be crazy expensive during the Olympics.
2graves
Eh? It's on par with an average large US city
MsAndooftheWoods
The only thing that seemed more expensive than any other city was transit, you can arguably eat for cheaper even.
jhlongm
Yeah I usually go multiple times a year. It’s not that expensive.
DarkwingDuc
I've been a couple times. Didn't seem any more expensive than other large cities, like New York or London. But yeah, Olympics will be crazy.
TacoBellBody
Or Dallas or San Diego in my experience
bem5823
I've been twice, now I'm sad the prices will go up and probably won't go down again.
Ryebread91
We just went this year. We got a large suite for the price of a normal hotel room in the states. Agreed. Not more than Chicago or New York.
TacoBellBody
Yea not sure where ‘OMG so expensive’ comes from. It’s about what you’d pay to stay in Amarillo TX per night but you get way more quality
2graves
US hotels are shockingly overpriced though
Ryebread91
And I wouldn’t trade their service for anything. So freaking polite. When we go back we’re going to the same just cause of them.
PhantomOfTheDopera
Fuck no. Has Terminator taught you people nothing? /s
DontTazeMeBrah
I learned Hollywood can't replicate my childhood let alone greatness
JimJonesKoolAidSurvivor
I learned that dr who is a shapeshifting terminator
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
"And 99% of other goods...will be reused or recycled". If "recycled" means "sorting before burning it", sure. #BuzzwordOlympics2020
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
So many other things in this video are debatable.
SquatttingDog
Like if those robots actually can carry luggage and if it’s worth them moving at a speed of 1 mph.
whoisyourdaddy
What makes you think Japan burns recyclables? (source?)
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
I'll ask you the reverse; how is it possible to have an event & recycle 99% of anything (/whatever "other goods" is) in a meaningful way? >
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
It isn't, to my knowledge, possible. Unless "other goods" is so narrowly defined, e.g. "cardboard without food remains", "clean plastic" etc
whoisyourdaddy
1) Ban any product whose packaging is not recyclable. 2) put our recycle bins 3) ask people to recycle In japan that works (not in the US)
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
Even with those prerequisites fulfilled and a willing population (remember that not all foreign athletes are going to be) 99% is a fantasy #
whoisyourdaddy
So what will happen to recyclables that don't get recycled? Think Japan will let them sit on the ground and rot?
Thundamuffin
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2018/06/06/recycling-plastic-the-japanese-way/
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
+1 for source. Check out my other reply for another angle.
Thundamuffin
Ones if a couple articles i found. Seems to mainly be burned for power and heat etc. but yeah still burned.
tornik
They'll also generate electricity by harnessing the power of millions of otaku, masturbating furiously to their waifus.
Navrodel
...now I'm mildly annoyed that no one has mass-marketed faraday charging bracers. I get that it's probably not THAT practical, but...
FreezoQ
The unlimited energy source has been finally found.
bem5823
Great, I'm already helping!
TheMrPendragon
Not just yet. You need to make sure you properly install the jerk-o-thon generator 9000 and have it paired to the mass-fap power grid.
FuriousPotatoe
I'm enough.
Draevan13
DoesAnybodyHereRememberVeraLynn
IMMA DABBA DOO
sebvit
Which, in English, translates to..?
svcAlex
Ask the robots
Pentacus
Nerds fapping to anime girls.
AlrightKeepYourSecrets
Giant anime tiddies*
sebvit
Cheers, fam.
Morg729
Seems expensive
CharlIly
It's ok they got free workload supply.
spaceasaurus
It will be.
YouThinkThatsBad
Nah hosting an olympics event is cheap and hasn’t been a problem for any hosts in the past.
YoureAKidNowYoureASquidNow
Yes but it leads to more innovation. The moon landing was expensive and look what we have today.
SirsMadeline
I hope they're successful. Start a trend.
airwoman
Don't worry, they'll be great! No pandemics, no steroid problems, absolutely epic Olympics!
thebridgejumper
I do too. We’re in the age of innovation. So innovate.
RearAdmiralObvious
And then 2 years later we get to see how many bodies qatar threw at the fifa cup. It will be depressing in the least I think...
dickwaffles
It's the tried and tested method of getting shit done. From the Ancient Pyramids to the railroads of America.
RearAdmiralObvious
I think they might go for the great wall method and use the bodies as foundation.
updoooot
Some of these (like renewable energy) are required now! :)
kvtpwr
Don't forget about the fully automated machines where you can donate your sperm.
XVUltima
Is the machine designed as an eleven year old girl? Because I think I saw that anime.
ForgotMyOtherAcct
Not during the games, there are filthy foreigners about
DontTazeMeBrah
https://imgur.com/9jolGst
whoisyourdaddy
OMG there should be 1 or 8 of them in all the mens rooms. "Donate your sperm to the poor. $5 " You people would fully fund the games.
ConfuMeister
Ooo. Low key burn
ThighHighsSaveLives
Oh man this aged well
ben5j83
Security will be provided by gundams
FuriousPotatoe
Fuck yes!
Counterfit
Seems more like a job for Labors
gandersxX
ITS A GUNDAMMMM!!!
IGenerallyPostThumbsUpGifs
Gundamn-it
WARHAMMER405
And the Evangelion.
dinocratic
Get in the fucking robot, Shinji.
Loxachi
Let's be honest. Who in their right mind would fuck with a gundam?
jupitermoonlongdongwiener
ahh unicorn gundam
MarkusJunnikkala
TheHaloFollower
Unce unce unce unce
SuperSaiyanYamcha
And because they aim like stormtroopers the spider still escaped.
BobHubert
I mean all this technology is cool and all but what I really want to see are some big ass anime tiddies
CommanderBear93
Flat is justice
itxtalone
Yea there are places you can go for that.
gtmiller
Gundam anime tiddies? With guns?
AthenaF
GunDAMN girl!
Nightshiftart
I mean it is only a matter of time, it is Japan after all.
celestedrake
They already have at least one giant robot, now they just need to improve it.
TrueNorthernLights
Ok NOW I'll go.
soylentgreenisthefuture
I live in Tokyo and this is bollocks. Solar roads don’t work, there aren’t any accurate translators, a lot of the plastic is just burnt.
somepoorjerk
Right?
YouThinkThatsBad
It does say “currently testing” solar roads
whoisyourdaddy
You don't have an accurate translator. That doesn't mean there aren't any. Besides, they still have over a year to tune them up.
YouThinkThatsBad
I feel if you have an basic understanding of language structure you should be able to get the gist of the not-perfect robot translators
InRetrospectIShouldveLearnedToSwimBeforeBecomingaSailor
I really wish my grandpa was still here. He'd have loved to have gone home for the games and I'd have a semi-mobile translator.
pontoonofshame
That’s going to be an awkward situation when it’s cloudy the whole time and everything stays dark.
Schlovia
the panels charge batteries, so when its cloudy things are still going to work.
Camelspotting
Also solar panels still work when it's cloudy.
shreddedking
cludy doesn't mean anything for wind turbines and back up conventional power plants
Hoodwinker27
Cloudy*
IaintPostingPicsforYou
Well it did claim it will use 100% renewable power. So using conventional power plants isn't in that plan. I doubt they'll achieve it.
WhichIsIt
Cloud power is the future, bro
Camelspotting
Shouldn't be particularly difficult.
LoudBirb
And... you know... batteries. It's amazing how many people forget those exist when they start talking shit about solar panels.
Thundamuffin
Energy storage can be very difficult and expensive large scale, particularly with inconsistent incoming energy like solar.
everythingisnominal
actual storage cost : 200$/kwh, average japanese electric consumption 7819.79 kwh per ppl, 24hour storage for all japan = 533.4 billion $.
everythingisnominal
Actual power needed to power japan : 112GW (avg), chinese nuclear power plant <2 billion $ per GW (overnight cost),
RoutemasterFlash
2020 Tokyo Olympics, you say? What could possibly go wrong?
BoneyBob
I kept waiting for this video to switch to the end of Akira.
ScruffnShine
KANEDDAA!!!!
RoutemasterFlash
TETSUUOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
PineappleTaco1
of course i will go, i want to tell my kids "i was there when skynet became active"
Username383
Why do so many people see "skynet" in every Tec related news? Wtf?
bane13
Well the last two were with a russian dictator and a chinese one, why not a robot dictator to mix things up?
noReallyIamPrincessBob
Ha, ha, kids...
C0mtraya
IAmAngry
Make sure you visit Qatar 2022 - if you want to tell your kids that humans are much worst then Skynet
gtmiller
1, that requires you to survive. 2, that requires that you get laid.
ThatOneGuyThatDidThatThingWithThosePeople
KringelbertFishtybuns
BuzzJump
1. Plausable 2. Does my hand count?
souleater2847
Tranced42
PineappleTaco1
i have my tin-foil hat and a red shirt, i think im set. 2) ask your mom :P
gtmiller
1 tin-foil doesn't work. You need captcha image tees so they can't ID you. 2 Dad? You mean we can be a family again!
PineappleTaco1
1) but its hexagon-shaped foil 2) finally united again
gtmiller
You fool, thats what the robots want you to believe. I can't loose you again!
TheHumanCentipanzer
https://imgur.com/6w1wb1K
Cilvaa
1 is more likely to occur than 2
youshouldbuyarowingmachine
Oh dear god, not solar roads again.
darwinhacker
A resin sprayed on top of the panels that lets the sun through but is strong enough to withstand the beating they would take?
Pacuta
SOLAR FREAKIN ROADWAYS
GiantSquanchy
WOH
frog311
Yeah when I saw that I wondered how much more of this list was not going to work practically
HeretiCorpHasAnDFAcannon
Dude this is not the US... What's wrong with Solar Roads, great idea and tested in many countries. Including a 50m2 test in NL on the N401.
youshouldbuyarowingmachine
They're incredibly difficult to maintain for incredibly low returns, if any.
LoudBirb
Currently. And they'll stay that way unless someone with a big R&D budget works on them. That argument was exactly what people used to say
LoudBirb
About solar panels in general. "Too inefficient! Too expensive!" Yet engineers kept at it and now, very few are still staying that...
LoudBirb
Japan sees potential in it. It's their money. And if they can make it work, they're going to reap all of the benefits. The US used to be...
HeretiCorpHasAnDFAcannon
Says who? Well, if you don't mind. I just wait untill NL researched the efficiency and the applicability of the road they opened in Jun-18
Cyclopioneer
The problem is the efficiency of solar panels that are flat vs at 30° 2ndly why have the solar panels covered up with cars when they could/1
Cyclopioneer
Be on rooftops where there are no cars obstructing the light (or put them next to the road as a soundwall) also cars will dmg the surface /2
youshouldbuyarowingmachine
Of course,nothing better than real life practical results.Until then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpwx-8s1M38&vl=en
HeretiCorpHasAnDFAcannon
You're gonna use the test installation cost as real installation cost? Anyways the real numbers are Solar plant 200w/m2 & Solar Roads 135/m2
HeretiCorpHasAnDFAcannon
Also I think for ex. China would research their own findings of the 1-kilometer long solar road (5875 M2) in Jinan, they opened in dec-17..
Dagordae
You mean the abysmal failure that didn’t even last a week?
PonyMadness
Stop thinking. You're not very good at it. Instead start reading and do your own research because solar roads have been huge failures
Jamerperson
https://youtu.be/obS6TUVSZds
GregoriusDaneli
His and Thunderf00t's videos on the topic were not only informative, but the "inventors" honestly deserved a good ribbing and heckling.
SwagathaChristie
An interesting concept would be something akin to solar roads. Take a half metre or something at either side of a road and (1/2)
SwagathaChristie
(2/2) install solar “side roads” along it. Less impact damage but still large coverage alongside roads and near grids.
botaine
Why solar roads? There is plenty of space to put solar panels outside of cities or on rooftops. Roads wear out. Why make them expensive?
itxtalone
Actually when I was in japan. Lots of buildings already had solar panals.
WolfgangPopo
Granted, solar freaking roadways was a huge scam. But we're never gonna get any closer unless someone gives it another shot.
Rotmaster
One sunlight tracking solar panel will generate more power than 10 in the road and you don’t have to worry about driving on top of them
alsoAzrael
It never deserved the first shot. It's a stupid idea. Never shoot stupid ideas.
MuresanDani
But it's a terrible idea. We don't want anyone to give it another shot. It's inefficient both as a road and as solar panels.
ThatAssholeOverThere
For now. Planes and cars used to be inefficient and overpriced modes of transportation but now they're very common
MuresanDani
No, not for now, for ever. Solar panels are more effective when angled towards the sun. Not to mention if there are cars driving over it 1/
MuresanDani
they would be blocking the light. Also, glass is a horrific driving surface, and it would get scratched and release powdered glass into 2/
alsoAzrael
Planes and cars were good ideas. Solar Roadways are a bad idea.
caramelballoffur
Its not really worth giving it a shot. Why would you want to put solar panels on a surface that will be covered by cars all day?
whoisyourdaddy
Because it's not covered by cars all day. Less cars in Japan. It's not Los Angeles.
TheMrPendragon
Your argument only holds up for places like parking lots where cars stay parked. This doesn’t apply to roads where cars only ever obscure >>
TheMrPendragon
under 20% of the road surface at any given time.
caramelballoffur
Most roads within cities will be covered by the shadows of tall building a good portion of the day too. It just viable in places where
Richarmeleon
Japan has significantly fewer drivers than countries like the US. They actually have a useful public transit system like busses and trains.
caramelballoffur
Its not just shadows from cars. You have buildings as well. Rooftops are just SO much more viable
MybolognahasafirstnameitsBAMBI
Why were they a scam?
JeffGriffin
Watch thunderfoot
WolfgangPopo
They raised nearly 2 million dollars and all they produced was a 10m2 area that didn't work or generate any power.
CityYeti
That's too bad, I had high hopes for that project
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
But was it a scam or was it just unsuccessful? Not every idea will work, but we have to try them to find the ones that do.
GriffinMann41
I mean, they thought using glass hexagonal solar panels would 'replace all infrastructure' and 'solve global energy needs'
MrAgnosticman
Thunderfoot has a lot of videos explaining why from the beginning it wasn't going to work. His explanations are greatly detailed. Source -->
tomitau
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MaxximumB
Dave Jones of EEVblog channel did some videos on solar roads too https://youtu.be/obS6TUVSZds
MrAgnosticman
It's a playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPnz7ojKD2ypn5GgSkUwyAcIQ0gSMKszi
TheMrPendragon
. Dotting for later. Thanks for the info.
SeriouslyAwkward
Its not about giving it a shot its about the fact that its physically impossible. We're just not technologically advanced enough for it to
thebridgejumper
What a conundrum. We’re not technically advanced enough to advance technically.
Alrmterahwk
So NO one is allowed to experiment, try something new, learn something along the way... “human’s can’t fly, it’s physically impossible.”
DeezDanglin
'We' don't...but Japan
SeriouslyAwkward
Are you being sarcastic? Technology isn't localized like that. At all. Unless you're talking about their giant mechas then touchè
DeezDanglin
Wow! Glad I finished reading lol. Was about to post the below w/o comment lol. Yes, Japan joke.
SeriouslyAwkward
Be feasible in the near future at all. The standard operational life of a regular solar panel is several decades compared to solar roads
SeriouslyAwkward
1 or less years. At several times the cost of production with a magnitude or more of less output than a regular solar panel.
WolfgangPopo
And how do you propose we advance technologically, without trying?
SeriouslyAwkward
You can try when we improve the other underlying technology first. It isn't just going to be somebody just magically getting inspiration and
SeriouslyAwkward
It will all fall into place. You need to have a working foundation. You're basically acting like the people who were scammed by it
epoke
You can add 2 + 2 together all you want, but it will never get closer to 5 just because you tried.
veesee
Man... if more people had your logic wed still be living in caves.
BreadyStinellis
But they're not adding 2 + 2. They're changing the numbers every time they try. Eventually they'll land on 5.