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916pokerman
A Flashburn
StrangeSavant
I suppose the biggest difference is that you choose to die with smokes whereas with guns, someone else may choose to kill you.
dolemarq
Even superman admits they can't get rid of all guns, just "most".
ChaosLierLen637
My favorite scene so far from Injustice.
DasLoupBlanc
so the morale is to get rid of humans once and for all?
WilliamKeith
Flash is moderately conservative; Barry supports the death penalty, f'r inst. As a big liberal, I like a well-written hero w/ diff. ideas.
LadyWidebottom
So many of the people in the comments section are completely missing the point.
LetumComplexo
I mean, the point is lost in the several fallacies used to to "win" this argument.
BrianStuart
Unfortunately, it is one of the prices of freedom. People have to be allowed to fail.
brknsoul
Notice that Supes has to use both hands to keep up with Barry, who is only using one.
BennyJ89
Good eye. I couldn't even keep up with how fast their hands were moving.
awkwardmoment
It confuses technology too. It's not sufficient to destroy guns. They'd have destroy every desire or capability to produce them forever.
kzagon
I think flash is the best, Batman is cool and all but... anyone else agrees?
Jaron58
I love the flash
sosofosho
Supe's own line of thinking (and the actions it leads to) show the reason guns are needed...and a few Kryptonite bullets.
JustAnotherLinkInTheChain
One of the better series of episodes in JLU involved a parallel universe where superman thought like this and acted out on that
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MACWE
You remember the name of it?
aPurpleLiger
Justice League S03E11 & S03E12 "A Better World (Original series, not JLU)
Nahxela
Uh, that was a little beyond this, we're talking this Superman much further into this series. This line of thought isn't nearly as extreme.
mycroft999
Favorite line from a JLA series, Green Arrow-"Speaking as the only non-super powered person in the room. You guys scare the hell out of me!"
Jest3r123
YOU AINT TAKEN MY PEW PEWS SUPER DICK!
Jest3r123
I also wonder is flash so fast he can phase through Superman and kill him? Like at the same frequency as kryptonite?
calway
If he can move that fast I wonder if he could rearrange the light particles and filter out the sun's rays that give him his powers.
Jest3r123
God damn it
MykillMetal
How fast does Flash think? Answer - http://imgur.com/GfMmlwG
AnthonyfxxnJoe
Dear God... well that's one of my Genie wishes.
AspAspAsp
His superpower isn't just "he's fast", because at that scale it extrapolates into a host of impossibilities. Physics has no room for it.
daletvak
I know this is a moot point, but this is the perfect example of how insanely overpowered the Flash is.
UnenthusiasticPoster
This comic feels like it goes on a bit to long, especially with Sinestro Superman
Nahxela
It's still going and I'm beyond agreement with that sentiment.
SauceBot
Superman is a fictional superhero appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics.
Fauxpaws89
Thanks saucebot!
avelarius
We don't lock up people who let dangerous dogs unchained. We kill them. With dangerous dogs.
Khyron2k
Men get arrested. Dogs get put down.
RendarSpire
I really like that the chess game symbolizes the conversation.
DumpstoDumpto
My question is why are they wearing their suits?
Zahnradfee
Because they are fancy.
DumpstoDumpto
Damn fancy people.
OnBenchNow
they're on the Watchtower, which is their orbital Justice League headquarters. Do you go to work without a suit?
BingleyBingleyBeep
Yep. T-shirt, jeans and trainers. IT ftw.
DumpstoDumpto
As fast as they can change I would assume they would enjoy a little circulation every now and then.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Their costumes are made of a fictional material that lets them be pretty comfortable.
Jaron58
Man I love me some flash
triedtothinkofausernamethatwasntalreadytaken
But really injustice Superman is just a watered down Superman even batman has said Superman's mind surpasses even a super computer
nycterelis
it's in canon that speedsters have accelerated synapse firing. Pair that with Barry Allen being faster than superman...
triedtothinkofausernamethatwasntalreadytaken
Superman has outsmarted beings like Brainiac and lets be honest Barry Allen would have no hope of outsmarting Brainiac.
nycterelis
I feel like you just don't want him to be able to.
triedtothinkofausernamethatwasntalreadytaken
No I'm just tired of things like batlogic where batman can beat anyone for no other reason than the fact h4e is batman
ISleptWithSomeoneFromImgurAndAllIGotWasThisStupidUsername
Which comic is this?
Khyron2k
Injustice:Gods Among Us. Year one, Part 26. A quick synopsis is that Joker tricked Superman into killing Lois Lane and his unborn child 1/2
Khyron2k
and goes nuts. Superman ends all wars, makes a stormtrooper army, kills heroes who don't follow him, all in the name of 'protecting earth'
jrau18
Source is Injustice : Gods Among Us, Year One, Part 26.
Fettu
Only thing I would be wondering, why would civilian need a right to own a semi-automatic gun?
CountryMetal01
Why wouldn't you want a weapon
BingleyBingleyBeep
Do you know what semi means, here? You hold the trigger down, you get one shot. You have to let go and then pull again for the next shot.
Fettu
I do ;) That still doesn't answer to the question, what use is there for to own a semi-automatic as a civilian?
BingleyBingleyBeep
Simple. Gun is used in emergency so people don't aim well. If it was needed, you will need a second shot, guaranteed. You ever try shooting?
Fettu
So in emergency, as a person who is stressed and in panic, it is good to use semi-automatic weapon. You do realize that you shouldn't use(1)
Fettu
a gun, if you cannot handle it in stressful situation? Semi-automatic will just give person easier way to fuck up.
BingleyBingleyBeep
Yes, definitely. If I have an intruder and decide to shoot, I'm going to make sure they're shot. You can't wing an attacker to stop them, ¹
CountryMetal01
because we can
Weirdphoenix
Love comics that show the other side of superheroes, not just "I'm powerful" but the morality behind their actions, fear & hope we all have
JoeBiundo
"Yeah but Superman is just too powerful." Everyone who doesn't read quality Supes comics.
iPez
No OP. you love writters. the real heroes here.
MrPredator
Why I liked the end of Justice League: Unlimited when Superman talks about being afraid, knowing if he isn't careful he can kill someone.
Nahxela
Too bad Superman's character devolved as the series went on :(
pyratheon115
It was supposed to. Injustice is a look into Superman's descent into madness. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
pineapplepunch
It's still going.
Nahxela
Devolved as in became more and more poorly written, not more and more amoral :v
Khyron2k
From what I hear, Taylor nailed it but after the reins were passed to Buccelato the quality just dropped horribly.
ThatGuyWhoThinksEveryoneIsAPineapple
When I was reading it, I noticed a severe drop in quality halfway through year 3, year four was shite, but year five is getting better.
IAmDrBanner
In this comic, Injustice, Superman is a raging asshole. From the start to the end. How people like Flash and Cyborg side with him is beyond
Lockerd
in the flash's case, it's mostly because he is trying to get superman back to normal. but the shit supes has done....unforgivable
5omeWhiteGuy
I just love the Justice Lords Story. That Flash is the moral binding that keeps the team from turning into something less than they are.
pineapplepunch
It's still on going and do you even know what pushed him to be like that and why they sided with him. Not an asshole to me.
nesurame
Having a reason for for violence doesn't always justify it. Even though he killed the Joker, the Joker made his point that Superman 1/2
pineapplepunch
That might be true +1 ha. He tricked him into SPOILER-
pineapplepunch
Killing his wife and unborn child AND then blew up the city. As a father and husband I can understand.
nesurame
2/2 was still no better than him. He started killing people that got in the way of his goals, even if they weren't criminals.
IAmDrBanner
me. The both of them are pretty fucking smart.
JonSnowsFather
I'm like half way through year 5 and from what I can tell they're both just too loyal but at the same time they've just come to far
Khyron2k
Mostly because they were eased into it. He starts out very reasonable, talking peace, stopping wars, etc. Road to hell, good intentions, etc
IAmDrBanner
Yeah, but I still feel like they should have taken the hint when Sups beat Oliver to death. Or when he killed a pregnant Black Canary.
Cheesecakecrush
Batman explained it. Supe killed Joker and justified it. That's all it takes. Everything seems justified in the light of prior events.
ThatGuyWhoThinksEveryoneIsAPineapple
Actually, when he killed her she wasn't pregnant. I think it would have been more impactful if she were.
HypnoChanger
And yet, this scene has absolutely no effect on Superman's views, and Flash keeps siding with Superman. What's the point in these scenes 1/
HypnoChanger
if they have even less impact on the story than the physical conflict does? I've been following the story, but so far it's gotten 2/
HypnoChanger
so repetitive. It's like they are repeating the same story with a new cast to replace all the ones Superman murdered in a twisted version 3/
HypnoChanger
of groundhogs day until they manage to burn through the entire cast. It's always "here's something new that can beat Superman. Oh wait, 4/
HypnoChanger
Superman has a new ally, ability, or plot device that wins anyway." It's gotten stale.
NotNotDeadpool
That supes is a douche canoe and the flash is a good person?
kalenmiyan
DC: Gods trying to be mortal. Marvel: Mortals trying to be gods.
Adthay
You should check out Superbia it's all about the other side of super heros
YorkshireLandscape
They colored Flash's hand wrong in the last panel of the third frame, didn't they?
Tpatt
They messed up the color of the chess pieces in all of the frames. They're both moving both colors. I couldn't figure out who one first.
xzxzxz70
By the third frame, they've already played two games. That's why they keep saying checkmate.
OktoberSunset
They are moving both colours because they are moving the pieces they are taking off the board.
Tpatt
I am not a clever man
YorkshireLandscape
I disagree. I think Superman always plays black. Sometimes Flash removes a black piece, but most of the black pieces are on Superman's side.
GreenYawgmoth
The difference between gun deaths and cig deaths is that the latter choose their inevitable end; the former usually do not.
LoudAngryJerk
that's not the point. the point is escalation, doing something like this sets a dangerous precedent
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LoudAngryJerk
winter soldier featured a predictive algorithm, and had nothing to do with advanced surveillance beyond normal spy vs spy stuff
MasterHD
Just like legalizing gay marriage will lead to people marrying animals.
LoudAngryJerk
lol what? not even gonna dignify that by humoring you enough to listen to whatever ridiculous answer you come up with
MasterHD
It's a slippery-slope fallacy, that's all.
LoudAngryJerk
one is based on the decisions of the few making decisions for the many, while the other is based on the inference that the two experiences1/
tacklegirl
In addition to the suicide portion of this argument, most people who smoke WA to quit and regret starting. From the addiction (1/2)
tacklegirl
you can argue that they don't have a choice, either. (2/2)
Khyron2k
That could also be said about motor vehicle deaths. They don't choose to die in a car crash.
kastabbin
The point is moot. Guns are allowed for pragmatic reasons, like war or government corruption that goes too far. Unless someone can (1)
kastabbin
eliminate war as ever being a possibility, or eliminate human corruption? (2)
distainv
Same could be said for dogs and laughingly for recycling. But those don't support his argument so he will be ignoring them.
GreenYawgmoth
If your dog serves the same purpose as a gun (i.e. quickly ending lives) and you leave it unchained, you ought to be locked up.
distainv
So as long as the dog kills them slowly your okay with it?
Shurenai
More that the dog brings them to their demise faster than would have otherwise been. If they would have died at 60, but instead die at 20...
whoDare
Ok, but a car's purpose is fast transportation of things. A guns only purpose is to kill. "Defence" or not. Big diff if both used correctly
screenaholic
I use my guns for recreation, competition, and stress release.
MoonyT
ive shot since i was 5. Ive never killed anything with one though. i have a couple of trophies from competitions. think javelin throwing.
MoonyT
only purpose of a javelin is to kill. but its still in track and field.
MrPuttyhead
"A guns only purpose is to kill" is an ignorant statement. Guns have many purposes that do not include killing.
whoDare
Ahhh yes. I forgot that the glock 9 is meant to just cap a bitch in the ass. No kill shots.
MrPuttyhead
I own many guns and only two of them have purposes that include killing.
LadyWidebottom
"This one is for turning the lights out in the house."
ClaireAugustus
They have purposes that do not include killing, but those are side purposes. The main purpose is to destroy, kill, maim or otherwise harm.
MrPuttyhead
I would say the vast majority of guns in the US have a primary purpose of punching holes in paper.
MasterHD
Right, which is practice for the real thing.
ClaireAugustus
Oh, right. Punching holes in wood (Practice for the real thing), punching holes in bottles (practice again), destroying various things, etc.
elucidatefurther
Yeah, totally. Boy scouts are totally training for murder shooting small caliber rifles at targets 25 yards away.
elucidatefurther
Cowboy action shooters are totally training for murder when they practice trying to slice a playing card in half for hours.
kastabbin
If I wanted to get a gun illegally, I could. Easily. Might take me longer, but I could. It's impossible to enforce without surveillance.
residenthyperchondriac
Look at Europe: guns are not illegal, but there are extensive background checks, so less crime
kastabbin
So if you say no to guns, to make the law relevant, you must say yes to illegal surveillance or the point is moot. (2)
TheLastSouthernGentleman
Ever heard of second hand smoke? Results in a fuck ton of deaths
SadToSay
A friend told me about his Uncle who smoked 25 years, thought the story would end with him getting lung cancer, instead his wife who got it
johnathanpriest
well- actually, the majority of 'gun deaths' in us US at least- are suicides. sooooo- they kinda do choose.
TheOldNewSlowFast
Over 1 million people use firearms to defend themselves in the US every year. Also, criminals pick their target, victims have to defend.
TheOldNewSlowFast
There's no way a 60 year old woman can fight off a 20 year old attacker with a knife. Unless she has a gun, she can. Take it away, who wins?
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Kodaxmax
And if the attacker has a gun too?
TheOldNewSlowFast
Then she still has more of a chance than she'd have if neither of them were armed.
Kodaxmax
1. she likely will have the gun hidden in her purse or house not on her. 2. the attacker is far more prepared to pull the trigger. cont.
kyrtian
Over 2/3s of all gun deaths in the US are suicides, so actually yes, they do.
LittlePinkAnimal
A study related to a gun amnesty in australia showed that suicides decreased in the city. Meaning that the people who would have killed
LittlePinkAnimal
themselves with guns did not go on to kill themselves some other way. They kept on living. When you have a gun handy, suicide only has
LittlePinkAnimal
to seem like a good idea for a few minutes. they saw the same effect in a city where they raised the guardrails on a bridge that was
LittlePinkAnimal
popular with suicides. The overall suicide rate dropped in the city.
dxd2
Most gun deaths are suicides, so even there: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html?_r=0
Lgtang
In the USA. Now add the Middle east.
LittlePinkAnimal
to me the big difference is that guns are designed for the sole purpose of killing or injuring living beings. cigarettes and cars are not.
SumnerK
guns only do what humans use them for. Design means squat. A bat, a knife and a gun do nothing without human interaction, but all 3 can kill
LittlePinkAnimal
Bats and knives have utility beyond killing and hurting. A gun does not. Aside from practicing killing and hurting.
SumnerK
and target shooting, flares, rope launchers, starter pistols, etc. There are many uses for guns as well. You're stuck in a political agenda
LittlePinkAnimal
First of all I live in a country with strict gun control and there is no real opposition to it here. I have no political agenda.
LittlePinkAnimal
A gun's lone purpose is to hurt or kill, there is no other use. (and don't start with competetive shooting, that's just killing practice)
Snowballtlwcb
And I guess I've been misusing guns all my life, I've never killed anyone! Hope I didn't void the warranty!
Snowballtlwcb
That's kinda the point. Easy to use death machine. Guns put my grandma on equal footing with a 200lb thug. Knifes/bats/fists do not.
LittlePinkAnimal
Right, good. That's what they are. I just wouldn't want to live in a place where every idiot has easy access to easy to use death machines.
elucidatefurther
Ridiculous statement, many guns are built solely for sporting use. Unless you think shooting down clays somehow trains one for murder.
LittlePinkAnimal
Oh, gee. You're just practicing shooting targets running away from you... totally non-violent....yup...
elucidatefurther
http://dchoos.org/wp-content/resources/Sporting-Clay.jpg this is a sporting clay. It's about the size of a saucer and flies through the air.
kastabbin
Yes. You say this as if, if good people all become pacifists, there will be no violence. I want to be able to kill if it comes to that. (1)
kastabbin
That's what they mean by having a right to defend yourself. It means neutralizing aggressors. So, yes. Hurting is part of that. (2)
kastabbin
That doesn't mean that it's wrong. Circumstances decide that, not the use of a tool. (3)
LittlePinkAnimal
totally not what I'm saying. I'm saying that there is no real purpose to a gun other than hurting or killing things and that's 1/2
LittlePinkAnimal
2/2 why they should be much harder regulated than, say, cars. And where I live, they are. And gun deaths are very rare here. go figure.
screenaholic
I shoot for recreation, competition, and stress release.
LittlePinkAnimal
And I bet you've never thought anything along the lines of "it's good that I have this because I might want/need to use it against a person"
screenaholic
Want, no. Need, yes. If my life was endangered I absolutely would use my gun, but it's not the only purpose it serves, like you said.
LittlePinkAnimal
listen, I'm not questioning your motives for shooting clays. My point is that guns are weapons, or as another commenter called them
Khyron2k
The big issue I have is in being proactive instead of reactive. In that light, the cars/dogs/recycling arguments make more sense.
Khyron2k
Proactive being 'take away the car in case there's a crash' and reactive being 'take away the car after there's been a crash'.
Khyron2k
So should 'dangerous dogs' be proactively removed? How can you tell a dog's dangerous if it hasn't previously exhibited antisocial behavior?
Khyron2k
Likewise if a dog isn't dangerous but suddenly turns violent, where do you assign responsibility? Or in cases where a dog is baited/abused?
failsafe
You're talking about things that HAPPEN to kill people; by accident or chance. I'm a big 2nd Amendment person but equating something that
failsafe
kills inadvertently versus something that is designed with a sole purpose to kill is inane.
kastabbin
Being proactive is impossible in many cases. It's a frustrating powerlessness, but how do you stop a suicide or a shooting if you are (1/2)
kastabbin
not even aware someone has a mental illness. Shall you force everyone through a psych evaluation? Even if you did, people lie. Rape (2)
kastabbin
victims do not go to the police, as a prime example. You can't force everything and cover every angle. (3)
Khyron2k
How do you stop a shooting proactively? Take away guns. How do you proactively reduce road fatalities to zero? Take away cars.
peekypokey
I guess you're opposed to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty too then?
Khyron2k
Entirely different circumstances. The treaty isn't about disarming people by force but by voluntary agreement with one another.
Khyron2k
Consent is a key to the argument. If people were willing to consent to giving up their guns Supes and Flash wouldn't have to argue at all.
peekypokey
Fair point. Non-signatories should be allowed nuke programs then?
Alphatronx3
My question is, wouldn't people find something worse than guns if they took them away? I think it would happen if they took the cigs
residenthyperchondriac
Worse than guns? Guns are our current most effective ways of killing each other, available to the US public
theregularadventure
I just realized that to Superman mankind is probably just full of weak reckless children who aren't responsible enough to protect themselves
BecauseIDontHaveAWittyUsernameYoureSittingThereReadingThis
If I had his powers, I'd have a god complex too.
LetumComplexo
That's because that's exactly what we are...
jrau18
Congrats, you're Lex.
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
Depends on the Superman my personal favorite version saw us as heroes, fragile great people willing to jump on a grenade to save a friend 1
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
2: and if he could be a beacon for those great ones and a lesson to those with power who abuse others then he's made the world better.
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
3: it was Lex Luthor who assumed that because he was so powerful he must look down on all of us. Superman made everything he did seem small
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
4: and Lex could not have that.
ZeRootOfAllEvil
And film Superman snaps people's necks because reasons.
Khyron2k
Often times I feel that's also how congress sees the rest of the US.
NRubric
That's how the US sees the rest of the world... And how the world sees the US.
BillyMaysHereWithOxiClean
And that's probably how the rest of the US views Congress
Khyron2k
Shame they're the ones spending so much time and effort to protect us from ourselves and our evil desires to kill ourselves with marijuana.
Flerb88
Ooh, Check-and-mate!
stylinchilibeans
Congress views us the way a tick views a dog.
LittlePinkAnimal
You don't see humanity as a whole as reckless and irresponsible?
AuntSharron
A screaming, frightened child trying to make sense of a complete accident that will be over and done and erased from existence one day.
notbearrypunny
There is no spoon
IHaveThePerfectPuzzleForYou
A great scene from a great comic
LoTRFanatic42
Just finished year one. An agonizing cliff-hanger.
ExclusiveGamer
He tweets batman's identity, that just seems a little bad to me.
override367
I agree with the sentiment, because superman, but this is a classic slippery slope fallacy
IHaveThePerfectPuzzleForYou
Oh, yeah. Any other time this would be true. Superman would totes do this in this particular timeline though.
FusterClucked
Which one? I'd like to read this
jfiddy
A great comic, duh
TheSwedishMoose
Listen here, fucko
knowfelt
Injustice series that started out about the same time as the game
TheSkeletonWar
Batgirl vs Spiderwoman, obviously.
RichCorinthian
It WAS a great comic. I feel like it has really gone off the road.
IHaveThePerfectPuzzleForYou
I still find it ]enjoyable to read, though I do agree that the quality has decreased from when it started publication.
TheSwedishMoose
WTF was with that Hawkman ark? Over in two issues and accomplished nothing.
charbullins
I would say they started losing me around year 3. Now I buy it weekly just to get to the end.
RichCorinthian
I don't think they have an end in mind. I gave up on that about a year ago.
charbullins
I think it's still supposed to end after year 5 because that's when the game picks up
RichCorinthian
i hope you're right. It's a soap opera now with no end in sight.