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North Carolina police pull over a lawyer and try and bully him and threaten to arrest him for filming them. They search his car for drugs, and find nothing.
https://www.facebook.com/NowThisNews/videos/1361443380612449/
redstarling117
"Funny how hes real interested in your car."
wererat2000
Oh my god, THERE ARE DRUGS IN THAT DOOR!
LumberjackPirates
what gigantic fucking assholes
dcwldct
Yeah that dude's fucking huge.
5po0ky
Only on the outside lol
LumberjackPirates
On the inside, he's full of shit
redstarling117
http://www.wral.com/wilmington-officer-demoted-after-lying-about-law-during-traffic-stop/16616902/
Mylity
writing a comment to inflate the attention this gets a little bit, hope others do as well +1
wererat2000
And of course the one piece of information that people WANTED is buried under the "all cops are bad" "all cops are good" debate.
Buran
Maybe have proper education and training for police
TheBurritoConfederacy
Some stations actually prefer the dumb ones and will discriminate against a smart applicant because they might think for themselves.
governmentgavemeagun
They knew. They were banking on the hope that the attorney didn't know.
ITalkAboutGoats
I don't think "don't try to fake evidence and harass people" is a training issue. And if it is, they need to hire better people to start.
GeneTheAwkward
If "doctors, wash your hands before and after you touch people's shit" is a training issue, this can be too. Sauce: my job. Psych is weird.
UhhhhhNick
My stepdad was a K9 narcotics officer for years and he says that the dog will give obvious signals that they found something. Depends on how
UhhhhhNick
the dog was trained, they usually will sit when they find something. that dog was clearly not signalling anything.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Are you suggesting this is a flimsy cover for an illegal search? Well I never.
Azile2012
https://youtu.be/FUoHB2hEvAs?t=9m56s
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Bad boys bad boys...
UhhhhhNick
It's the easiest way to get probable cause for a search. When I was younger I've called so many officers out on it and when they found out
UhhhhhNick
Who my stepdad was they immediately let me go.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Way to smash the system?
Cavy
The worst gangsters are the ones with badges...
SocoFox
Lemme tell you about a career in government.
mestrawberrysmiggles
Police now steal more money through civil asset forfeiture than all burglary combined in the US now.
Mithelen
Is there a source?
mestrawberrysmiggles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-took-more-stuff-from-people-than-burglars-did-last-year/
Mithelen
Idk what it is, but mobile doesn't tell me when I get a reply. Thank you
ImFunnierThanYallGiveMeCreditFor
source?
ZKrock
There isn't one. I recorded this with my friends in a garage. Did you like my car prop? It was made of stuff from Goodwill. $57.34 budget.
teal4two
http://abc7ny.com/news/cop-demoted-after-telling-uber-driver-lawyer-he-couldnt-record-police/1832167/
SomeCrazyNerd
Cool he was demoted.
aleister94
you're... you're watching a video of it right now
sorrycannotbraintoday
There's many times pro/anti groups will post vids like this that leave out key sections of video. Nothing wrong about wanting to see uncut
ImFunnierThanYallGiveMeCreditFor
for the record, when i posted that comment, there wasn't a link
F0rger
NowThis is hardly a reliable source.
ImFunnierThanYallGiveMeCreditFor
ya, but... video
F0rger
It is where the video is from, but they tend to cut videos to fit their agenda so I'm usually pretty wary of anything that comes from them.
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jridley
This happens EVERY TIME. The police chief apologizes, says the cops were wrong, there's an "internal investigation" and nothing changes.
Insomnia297
As soon as I saw "North Carolina" everything made sense.
IronicUsername
As a resident, yep.
JohnLeePettimore
Lionel Hutz, Attorney at Law and Uber driver
Foopfoop
The real crime here is this isn't top comment.
ShitsNGiggelz
An investigation...that'll take 9 months, the conclusion will be released at 4:55 on a Friday before a holiday wknd + results will be nada.
SomeCrazyNerd
It was quite quick and he was demoted. I mean the police chief publicly disagreed with him they obvious aren't trying to cover his ass.
ShitsNGiggelz
Good to know, saved me from googling this morning. Thanks.
governmentgavemeagun
Only because it's worldwide news and the chief is trying to save his own ass.
SomeCrazyNerd
Or maybe he's a decent dude? You don't know him mate
d3jake
Yeah, but that gets in the way of the "All cops are bad, those who stand by and watch are bad" narrative.
governmentgavemeagun
True. Or maybe a little of both.
ShitsNGiggelz
Fair point. This chief deserves accolades but if you follow results of most internal investigations here in the States, U'd be cynical too.
SomeCrazyNerd
It's certainly not a great situationm
FatStarlord
I'm assuming they were just fishing for a civil forfeiture.
DudaciousJustDudacious
The law finances purchase of toys for cops: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448942/civil-asset-forfeiture-police-abuse-clarence-thomas
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TraitorousTrump3
Fuck off. People have rights. Asshole cops are ... assholes.
EvilDeadTed
Blind respect/submission to authority is how you get a fascist state.
IronicUsername
Belligerence? Did we watch the same video?
wererat2000
Oh yea, what an asshole he was when he... recorded the incident and asked what grounds they had. What a bastard.
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wererat2000
That is objectively untrue. Plenty of innocent people are cautious around the police and they are well aware of this.
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laroline
Policemen aren’t special or above their fellow citizens. If they’re acting like assholes it should be legal to call them out on it
egbertmoxie
Police should have authority, yes, but that doesn't make them unquestionable. They should behave respectfully and explain if asked for.
BaconFuzz
If you don't let the police wipe their ass all over your rights....you're gonna have a bad time.
CitizenDickbag
I bet you cheered that cop who arrested the nurse in Utah, didn't you?
drunkenvalley
He was "confrontational" by stating facts plainly. If that's "confrontational" the officer should be fired.
NotMyUsualOnlineName
Plus the driver wasn't even a suspect. His Uber passenger was the suspect. The only reason the cops wanted to search his car was to see if
tina180
oh shit good point
RememberTheC4nt
And that's why people are afraid of the police even though they should help you. Well done officer asshole
OsirisOsirisOsiris
Cops are cunts. There's one or two that's all right, but in general it's human garbage in uniform.
McGreed
After learning how little training time the cops apparently get in the US, I'm no long surprised about the incidents and bad reputation.
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
SOP: bullshit until caught out, promise an investigation, training, but keep bullshitting. Gotta keep those numbers up.
jridley
Yes. This is SOP. Lie, get caught, apologize, promise investigation, public attention wanes, go right back to lying. Rinse,repeat.
Mayonnaiseisainstrument
I'm glad the driver was white, otherwise RIP
JayEnfield
Don't forget "civil forfeiture" of assets. On that one, I gained some appreciation for why Americans don't trust their police.
dovebair
It's like that w/ everything. Their word is law until someone else intervenes. You can't get intervention if they're currently shooting you
JayEnfield
How it works: Do you have a bunch of money with you? Well that MUST be crime money, so now it's being seized and added to the police budget.
JayEnfield
Holy Conflict of Interest, Batman!
DoctorTurkTurkleton
I've never wanted to do anything but be a police officer, and now thanks to these dicks I have to look forward to people hating me
dovebair
I think it's admirable that you want to help people, but to fix the problem we need to fix the entire policing system.
omgwtfhuh
I am cautious around cops until I find out if they are really cops (as meant to be) or just assholes in a uniform. I like actual cops.
dovebair
Yes, it's true, sadly. My sister was in a relationship with someone who decided to go to the academy, and she dumped him when he was hired
LondonRainfall
But you're a Doctor!
DoctorTurkTurkleton
Shhhhhh
victimsociety
Fuck 12
IndigoWendigo
At this rate if I were pulled over i'd immediately exit and lie down, hands on head. Better than being another cop's "incident".
ignoranttostarwarsandvideogames
You might want to rethink that idea https://youtu.be/-_Fx5TCfGHY
someguyonthissite
If they need a power trip they'll always find a reason to shoot you.
LollipopGuild
Don't open the car door unless told to, they'll shoot you for that as well.
jeepck
People aren't afraid of the police. They have no respect for cops. People are afraid their life will get fucked up (and fined) over BS.
KeeleonOhms
These guys should be criticized as much if not more than cops who shoot people. Hes literally lying about the law which is his one job.
KeeleonOhms
Cops like this are a disgrace. This isnt "bad judgement". This is blatant lying and law breaking.
HypnoChanger
The problem is, it's completely legal for a cop to lie to you about the law to manipulate you. They just can't do it to trick you into 1/
KeeleonOhms
Only in a interrogation. This isnt an interrogation. This is lying in order to bypass the 4th ammendment.
HypnoChanger
into breaking the law. It's pretty stupid, and that's why you need a lawyer any time you talk to police so you know your rights.
bigblackbetty
More proof of Mental Health issues in the police force. PTSD
Parrothunter
People are’nt afraid of the police by default. I have to break it to you. This guy is just not that good at his job as a LEO.
TinySupreme
Watch Mike the Cop and Officer401 on YouTube.
SomeAttemptAtACleverName
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forobservation
The difference is that when a black man commits a crime, he is punished for it, sometimes more so than a white man. Meanwhile, when (1/2)
forobservation
police conduct themselves illegally or dirtily, they get away with a reassignment and a slap on the wrist far too often.
zoomer296
Anybody has the potential to be crooks, regardless of color. Police have the power to abuse, and the position to face little consequences.
Butane9000
I'd sue for violating my rights against unlawful searches since he didn't get a warrant and then called the dog to create a reason. 1/2
Butane9000
It's not against the law to refuse the police from searching your property (car/home) and they can't take that refusal as suspicious. 2/2
SocoFox
While you are correct, being able to prove that the dog didn't detect anything would be close to impossible.
MaxFrench
An attorney who is ALSO an Uber driver? Now that's something you dont see everyday....
dovebair
Its like saying that you know a nurse with a side hustle. There was a boom in their industry, and now just like lawyers, there is not enough
Alion1080
You didn't need to make fun of my blindness, you insensitive prick. :'v
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bucketmouse
Probably got down-voted by the lawyers. The world of doctors is similar. Plenty of people who should NOT be there.
dovebair
Most lawyers cannot work full-time in legal jobs. There are simply not enough jobs, and there is high competition for the ones there are
ISupportYourViews
It's a great way to advertise and meet potential new clients.
GamiCross
Seriously. Why would an uber driver want to be an attorney? =P
Weddell
Some medical residents drive to make extra cash, and I've ridden with cops who drive to clear their minds after their shifts.
squishcat
But maybe twice a week.
appaismyspiritanimal
*Every day, Mr. President. "Everyday" as one word means common.
themooseof603
public defenders don't make much so maybe he's one of them?
Babooinatactilneck
They make enough, it just depends on the jurisdiction and how much funding they have.
themooseof603
roughly 47k a year while paying their 40-90k in student loans off
ThisGuyHere
Also some lawyers do pro bono work and end up not making much bc they're one of the few in an area that do so. So lots of work, little money
Frederf
"I live 10 minutes away." "I bill by the hour, that'll be $220."
DarkwingDuc
More common than you think. Contrary to pop. belief, most lawyers don't make that much, especially early on, & have huge student loan debts.
zephen
Better call saul
MaxFrench
Now thats a fucking lawyer!
Sturdycrotch
Decent way to network without having to pay expensive advertisements I suppose
TaxAttorneyGuy
Another partner at my firm has a massage business on the side. A lot of lawyers diversify even when they don't have to.
darthtator
You'd be surprised. See it all the time in D.C.
TheOnlyHopeForMeIsYou
I Imagine it's a good way to spread word of mouth business.
AzgarOgly
I guess attorney work is not exactly "as seen on tv" in Suits and Ally McBeal.
catfoodstudios
Suits and Ally Mcbeal are mostly business lawyers, not ats. On top of that even that is badly shown.
AzgarOgly
My point is, the public opinion on some particular trade formed by TV shows does not necessarily reflect real state of affairs accurately.
BlueManticore
Getting more common /:
tortfeasor
Not as uncommon as you might think. I know licensed attorneys doing all sorts of non-legal jobs. The law is not a friendly place to work.
HumansArePrettyNeat
The lawyer I used when I purchased my home does meth now and is on trial for counterfeiting.
firesword14
Good that you know to use non-legal and not illegal
ratfaceddog
Who doesn't?
9IX9
A bunch of shady lawyers, I'd assume.
Bystandr
You dont need privacy or rights. You should trust authority to be dispensed fairly. It should be ok if you have nothing to hide , right?
Bystandr
/saracsm off
fluhatinrapper
Trust us, we won't abuse our power. We are only trying to help ;)
MerToo
amazing they trained a dog to feign interest in whichever car they want to search
BenSwol0
Well, supposedly funny.
Leithoa
This happens accidentally too. The handler may not be doing it on purpose.
Swagrid6969
Maybe he just really love cars and gets excited? He's a good boy, don't blame him for his hoomans.
PolarChi
I swear...People with inferiority complexes, who have to PROVE themselves be pushing others around with their power, are crass & vile.
zippydee
Police and politicians should be appointed the same way, random draw from the voting register. People who want power should not be given it
fluhatinrapper
Umm, I don't really want my crackhead uncle being the Governor anytime soon.... We would get huge discounts on cheese sauce tho.
zippydee
Would he really be any worse tho?
fluhatinrapper
Lol, probably not much worse, sadly. At least we would have cheese sauce.
fluhatinrapper
Dude fuckin loves cheese sauce.
krapmyself
Internal investigation? There's no gray area here. He got caught lying about a made up law. He should be fired! I mean, I used to work at a>
natabus
There is no grey area. Cops are allowed to lie. Remember that whenever a cop says anything. They are allowed to lie.
stopthesquirrel
It's actually completely legal and an interrogation tactic to lie about the law. Know your rights and exercise them wisely. Don't be a dick
tresfab333
Reminds me of that Utah cop forcibly arresting a nurse even when he was given receipts that he had no legal standing to draw the guy's blood
dilbobaggins
He received explicit instructions from his Lieutenant to arrest the nurse in the even that she did not comply. He AND his superiors knew.
Ifavouriteallthecatstuff
The best was how it later turned out they already had taken blood, which is when he let her go. Fucking cunts.
tresfab333
Not to mention the endless police brutality/murder cases in which the cop gets a relative slap on the wrist. We need to have serious [2]
tresfab333
reform in this society concerning how we hold those in power accountable (not just with the police, but Wall St., the wealthy, etc.) [3]
fluhatinrapper
Lol "fired for lying" not a chance in hell, sorry to say.
SamySoosa
Weird how some people think it's okay to hold cops to lower standards than fast food restaurant employees (no offence)
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
Internal Investigation: "after an exhaustive investigation, we've determined that our officer did nothing wrong and acted in accordance with
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
the law and our department policies." Theeeee End
talenphillips
Except it's legal for a police officer to lie to you. https://www.njmoorelaw.com/10-ways-police-can-lie-to-you
fourkingbaker
Not only legal, activity encouraged.
talenphillips
Now, there are limitations on that (the officer can't purger or entrap), but I don't think a court would have any problem with this case.
WobblyBitsX
That list doesn't include making up laws to get a citizen to stop recording their illegal search.
newsguycraigevans
legal ≠ ethical
talenphillips
"There's no gray area here." He is allowed to lie, and thus will NOT be fired.
BlackPengu
Why aren't you taught that in like highschool? If it seems so important, maybe you should have a law class
talenphillips
Why would you want the lower classes to know their rights? They might start defending themselves.
BlackPengu
you're right. fuck laws. They are for funs and giggles anyway
spudpicker
All of these appear to part of eliciting cooperation. Making up laws and trying to deny citizen rights falls well outside those boundaries.
talenphillips
He's definitely trying to get the driver to cooperate with his order. Go ahead and find one police officer convicted for this kind of lie.
spudpicker
Let me clarify. The article examples are all interrogation-based. That's different from a lie like: "Red is illegal, I'm taking your hat..."
spudpicker
I'm sure there's no legal consequence, but I see great potential danger if officers are allowed to invent fake laws for their convenience.
krapmyself
Circle k and if you got caught stickin your dick in the nacho cheese even once there was no 'investigation', you were fired on the spot!
Threns
That's crazy man, personally I like a little strange dick in my nacho cheese, it personalizes the tang to the store!
PookyButt
That's ridiculous, you should at least get like a warning. Sorry to hear you got fired
Rogerdat6969
dick in nacho cheese love it
silverhands
Actually, police are allowed to lie to you about the law. It's one of the most common ways they get confessions out of people.
LintillaAllitnil
Who knows what might have happened if he had switched off.
firefighter26
I kind of wonder how it would have played out if he complied. Granted, we don't seem to have these problems in Canada.
bukobg
https://www.laprogressive.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/police-beating-720.jpg
spudpicker
Realistically, probably nothing to him. But the main arrest was obviously not kosher, which is why they got so defensive and threatening.
vonKaiser
At the very least? Probably would have "discovered" something that they thought was in the car in the first place.
themooseof603
cavity search
thanksfoenothing
They did that to a lady. Right on the side of the road. I saw the video. 11 minutes or something.
themooseof603
yup seent it
playstation360
This is why you need a strong federal internal affairs service.
edasm
And an attorney...
TheUserNameNotTaken
oh yes, because a federal government force whose job it is to police other government forces will have NO conflicts of interest.
TheUserNameNotTaken
All we need to do to fix all our problems is just create a federal department to fix it, THAT always works.
choggie
Or hire police with an IQ above 85 maybe?
fourkingbaker
That police officer isn't stupid, he has been told it is ok to lie by his superiors
probshouldntsayitbut
IQ isn't the most important factor; common sense, "tough skin," and a strong moral compass seem key.
ohforf
Below a certain IQ, you won't handle it though. Like a football player stalling at 100 lbs, it won't work and there's no way around it.
WobblyBitsX
Turning people away for being too intelligent is almost certainly a factor, though.
yourkiddingrightnow
It could cut both ways, Hollywood screenwriters come up with the best schemes. Like ...
dovebair
There are not enough people who are willing to put themselves In Harm's Way. You end up getting below-average intelligence bullies.
choggie
Zactly.
fourkingbaker
who watches the watchmen?
ApplesdaKitty
anti-heros?
jtb224
*Libertarians intensify*
12rt2345g342563
Libertarians lack common sense and objectivity. They care more about ideological purity than building a functional world.
playstation360
I'm libertarian leaning, but I recognize the federal state is good for some things.
NightfallEverdark
Or people who think they have the temerity for the job could apply rather than try and federalize state agencies.
playstation360
You could do it at the state level, but then there wouldn't be consistency across state lines. Of course states could still do it as well.
Leithoa
Laws are different in each state, there's already a lack of 'consistency'. Power is supposed to reside with the people & the states.
Iloveberniesandersfeet
Why is the solution to government more government? I'm sorry, but you are retarded.
Whitejack
This policeman being a dick isn't an argument against strong gvmt. you think a private police force would be more ethical and law abiding?
playstation360
Because anarchy is retarded.
Iloveberniesandersfeet
Smaller government with less power does not mean anarchy.
playstation360
The US doesn't know how tot do small government. It's all or nothing over there.
Iloveberniesandersfeet
Yes that is true, but doesn't mean more government solves anything according to your initial claim. The US constitution which has been 1/?
TooBadThisWontMakeMeFamous
That is exactly what we can not do. IA is already looked down on by LEOs. You make it a federal service and literally NOBODY will cooperate
playstation360
If they don't cooperate, suspend without pay or jail. That's what they do to citizens, they're no better than the regular Joe.
NKato
If they refuse to cooperate, then forcibly disband the police unions. At this point, the police unions are a threat, not a benefit. 1/2
NKato
At this point I'm done giving the LEO community the benefit of the doubt when they can't even nut up to fix their own broken system. 2/2
TooBadThisWontMakeMeFamous
What we need is stronger leadership within the department. Commanders who actually enforce internal policy rather than a slap on the wrist
themooseof603
federal government is powerful enough, we need higher standards for police
Strasburg6592
Who watches the watchmen?
5po0ky
It's Donald Trump right now, so... That's fucking horrifying
themooseof603
exactly pro government people always want federal intervention until they realize a president they hate could be the one to do so.
themooseof603
the feds aren't immune to corruption or bad practices, so having them watch police only gives the feds more power
dex2775
Then how exactly do you cut down on crap like this?
themooseof603
weaken the authority of the police union, weaken the police's situational immunity, expose corruption instead of burying it
playstation360
The fed would be in charge of making sure there's an impartial authority that can kick the police's ass when they get out of line.
themooseof603
like they do for FBI, DEA, or ATF officers? because they are just as problematic, and they have federal oversight
playstation360
being federal isn't what makes the oversight good, being impartial is.
themooseof603
how is it impartial the DOJ investigates police misconduct as it is. they still suck
playstation360
Local DAs don't want to prosecute cops because they then have to work with cops to get convictions, the fed doesn't have that limitation.
eion85
The FBI does a fair job of that already.
playstation360
The very public cases of police getting away with abhorrent practices suggest otherwise.
secretoaster
A citizen formed internal investigators comprised of lawyers, scientists, and priests
playstation360
Priests?
Leithoa
Ya know, in case they need an exorcism.
CamelSpotter
Or we can train our police more. We seem to put a badge on whoever shows up.
doctorbees
Hell, hairdressers require more hours of training than police officers.
IronicUsername
We do need to train our police more but we also need better oversight. Without more accountability, this will continue. Power corrupts.
n0n53n53
The problem is the ones that are training are the same d-bags that are pulling this kind of crap
Hendlton
IIRC it's because not many people want to be cops. They accept anyone who shows up because that's all they have.
n0n53n53
"So I see you just got back from Afghanistan and show signs of PTSD? You'll do just fine"
Hendlton
I'm assuming extreme cases like that are avoided but I don't doubt there some of them in there.
spookyu
It's a huge catch 22, it's shit dangerous work for low pay, so it doesn't attract the cream of the crop exactly. What yields first ya know?
CamelSpotter
Apparently, the national average of training time for police officers is only 19 weeks. In Germany, it's 130 weeks.
SolidestCurve
WHAT
ArkenX
I'd imagine the majority of our issues stem from this. We have a major malfunction with our police training.
MrPeebles
Dayum
Insomnia297
Because the response to incidents is cutting funding, like that'll ever help.
KurtHamster
Wow.. sauce?
CamelSpotter
I just used google on my phone.
Volleyballfish
In Finland police training lasts 3 years and they graduate with a bachelor's degree
Iliketorufflejimmies
Damn. /salute Finland
Chirishman
To be fair, they do filter out candidates... for being too smart http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
JCasg
Enforcing the law and assuring security is a very important task, and we should seek intelligent officers
yourkiddingrightnow
This is highly frightening
Allitis
SomeCrazyNerd
How 'bout both?
clk62
SomeCrazyNerd
EXACTLY.
SolidestCurve
I hear the training is ridiculously easy, so not too far from the truth.
themooseof603
if you're basically in shape and of average intelligence you'd pass
RackhamTheRed
isn't there some kind of limit that prevents people who are too smart to join the police in some places?
themooseof603
in some cases they have blocked high IQ applicants yes
SpaceSphere
KeeleonOhms
This isnt about training. This guy is just lying. If any cop needs to be trained to "dont lie about the law" then they shouldnt be cops.
bucketmouse
Well yeah, with the shortages and all. Who wants to be a cop when it's being PORTRAYED as a negative job?
mestrawberrysmiggles
Uhh no. The Federal government doesn't fix anything, and that is totally assbackwards according to how jurisdiction works.
mestrawberrysmiggles
Civilian revue boards filled with people within the local jurisdiction should be mandated. This has been fought tooth and nail.
DrKriegersClone
That might help, but there are potential CoI issues with civilian oversight in small rural 'everybody knows everybody' jurisdictions.
mestrawberrysmiggles
Well in that case it should be escalated to a county, then a state level and so on. This is the way the law is designed.
mestrawberrysmiggles
Localities are supposed to be the most powerful law of the land.
mestrawberrysmiggles
For all you dolts down voting - explain to me why local Sheriffs are the most powerful authority in the US according to the law.
mestrawberrysmiggles
According to the constitution states, counties, and localities are supposed to be a higher authority than the federal government.
mestrawberrysmiggles
The federal government was never supposed to have this much authority.
playstation360
And yet, here we are. Act based on facts, not theory.
leechdemon
I'm fine with this, but I'm curious why there's an investigation at all. Clearly this guy is harassing a citizen. Just fire him, right?
HosniMubark
Dey got dem Unions.....
Derptator
I'd guess there are legal procedures that are needed to be followed, plus investigation to find if there are more people like that
younger223
He was demoted and transferred. I don't believe he had any prior issues so he wasn't fired.
GuessWhoIsA
*that were blatantly caught on video
younger223
I don't work for that agency and do not know the specifics of the investigation. I am just sharing what I know.
KeeleonOhms
Hes also blatantly lying about the law. That alone should bar you from ever being a cop. Thats like the one thing they should never do.
Kr01z3n3d
Supreme Court upheld the right for police to use deceptive tactics. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazier_v._Cupp
KeeleonOhms
Theyre also required to read your rights. How is lying about a nonexistent law to break your 4th ammendment justifiable?
DrKriegersClone
Reading rights is for arrests. I don't think that's the problem here.
KeeleonOhms
And thats about interrogation which is far from this. Theyre not making up laws in that scenario.
evilspock
The biggest problem with shitheads like this cop is they cause distrust and fear of the vast majority of cops who aren’t lying bullies.
CrazyGuyOnABike
Until police start conducting actual "internal investigations" they're all part of the same corrupt organization.
Karsi
The vast majority cause distrust because the vast majority "do their jobs" and enforce horrible laws.
CeruleanK
This "vast majority" talk can go to bed. Whenever you see a cop do these things their whole dept is doing it as a matter of routine.
LumpDaddy
And you know this how? I work in law enforcement and have two degrees in criminal science, that couldn't be further from the truth....
HiddenSanity
I wish it were the 'Vast majority', I wish it were...
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
A few bad appels spoil the barrel. It doesn't take many shitheads to ruin an entire construct, this goes for way more than Police
gabadabagool
This isn't just bad apples, this tree has rotten roots
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
This isn't just rotten roots, the tree was planted in toxic soil
Beleg7
"Vast majority." Meanwhile, there are five officers listening to this and being part of it, and another guy comes in and backs him up.
LavaAxe
Cops always back up their buddy doing criminal shit if they have to choose between the victim's rights or their buddies' power trip.
Beleg7
https://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977/race-police-officer
pulsex
Fk them all
CreepyPhlox
They are all bad because even the ones who don't do the actions allow the others to do it.
teuro
Bull. Shit.
gabadabagool
"Vast majority"
GhostofDogWhoHauntsthePrecinct
Saying that undermines the real issue that training simply isn't up to par. There are good & bad ppl in every line of work. Reform training.
ITalkAboutGoats
You think training will fix lying and abuse? Well hell, then all those criminals need is just "more training"
beleginwaffle
Hear, hear!
Lenomedeplume
Who aren't lying bullies? Like the five other lying bullies who watched it happen?
lysomaru
Says the true cop
Dravit
How many people are in a position to know that the PO is lying to them and argue it there and then on the spot? "Land of the free"? Bollocks
CodeChimpin
You need more up votes. Take mine.
SocoFox
Most of the time, arguing on the spot is pointless. The mechanism in place is when you're in court. I've spent 3-4 8-hour days in court →
SocoFox
→ to fight bullshit charges, and walked out with the case dismissed every time. Yeah, it sucks to spend that much time over bullshit, but →
SocoFox
→ the feeling you get when you clear those courthouse doors knowing they didn't get the better of you is totally worth it.
88wut
The brotherhood within the ranks is worse. You can't get the bad ones because they will fight against it or provide no help towards justice
NotABadLookingNarcissist
Every profession has people who are assholes, lazy, violent, or immoral etc. the vast majority are good, the outliers are poopoo.
probshouldntsayitbut
Mmmmm hmmmm! POO POO!
NotABadLookingNarcissist
I suppose I was being too easy on them. There are a somewhat small % that are inherently bad people, many more so that are bad employees.
NotABadLookingNarcissist
Didn't expect to get down voted. I'm usually pretty hard on the cops. I have a lot of respect for the institution but it needs major reform.
gabadabagool
Bad cops aren't outliers. Most cops are high school educated bullies
BlueManticore
Yea, we call those "good cops" they usually stand around and do nothing while these "bad cops" do their thing
pulsex
If they stand around and do nothing they are then not “good cops”
BlueManticore
That's why it's in quotes
LumpDaddy
Ahmen
Helipad0451
Vast Majority? Citation Needed. Every single cop I've ever had the misfortune to encounter in my life has been a jerk, a liar, and/or bully.
Bilboteebaggins
It's a job that attracts limp dick assholes.
gabadabagool
Every cop I've met has been a power grabbing jackass
TheManWhoFartsInYourGeneralDirection
First of all that's anecdotal evidence, second of all, most cops just want to get whatever it is done and go home, like someone in marketing
LumpDaddy
1) I am sorry that has been your experience but as someone who works in law enforcement I can say that the vast majority of us are good
LumpDaddy
2) You are basically saying that since you had some bad experiences that the vast majority of officers are bad. That is very flawed logic.
LumpDaddy
3) The actions of the officer in the video are bad, that is for sure, but using reasoning like "I have encountered bad ones so they are all
LumpDaddy
4) bad" is no better than saying "my doctor gave me the wrong diagnosis, so most doctors are bad"
bondagewithjesus
For me it's 50/50 but still far too many assholes
gabadabagool
The percentage is too high when 50% of ppl with duty firearms are bad apples
sorrycannotbraintoday
I've never run into a bad one. every cop i've come into contact with has been pretty chill and understanding
5po0ky
Found the white guy that lives in the suburbs
theresgarlicinthatnebula
Afraid to say it, but it's likely heavily dependent on where you live and your race.
RanOutofWit
While you probably have a point, as a white guy who has lived in several countries, about half of the police officers I have encountered 1/
RanOutofWit
have been law abusing assholes. Those ones are enough to make me seriously defensive in any police encounter I have had since.
themooseof603
except all those other officers allowed it to happen, allowing bad cops to be bad cops makes you a bad cop
missmaryMACKMACKMACK
This.
wererat2000
"You need to have their back or they won't have your back" is a toxic mindset that people as a whole suck at getting past.
imnotinprisonhidingaphoneinmybutt
The blue wall of silence needs to be crushed through legal punishments equal to what a citizen would receive for lying.
DontLookAtMePenis
Yea so they're all bullying assholes, his point is still valid
AlrightKeepYourSecrets
You're right, but if they did it would likely be career suicide. Its not like standing up has no risk for the@.
themooseof603
their job is to have the public's interests at heart not their own or their police force's
Bob64
I'd hate to see the statistics on this. Hes surrounded by 5, maybe more after the k9's get called in. Not one stepped up. Odds are 1/6 then.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
I mean damn the nurse who got straight up kidnapped? Not a single other police officer stepped in.
Jasani
If I remember correctly they were not allowed to by regulation actually. Correct me if I am wrong though.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
Oh he was very much in the wrong, doesn't mean anyone stopped him.
tresfab333
Yeah, the problem is so many of the "bad apples" aren't treated like bad apples by the institution or their fellow cops - they're protected.
tresfab333
The nauseating scene of all those cops chuckling along when Trump basically told them to go out and commit police brutality comes to mind[2]
tresfab333
- there are organizational culture problems that compromise even plenty of the otherwise "good" cops [3]
Katalliaan
Hence the full saying: "a few bad apples spoil the bunch"
5po0ky
I find it so ironic when people who use this as an argument. My eyes have been opened at how much ignorance & stupidity is out there...
bronypokey6918
yes but this commentor is talking about the majority that wouldnt allow it
WobblyBitsX
But if the majority wouldn't allow it then problems like this would be far less common, don't you think?
bronypokey6918
im sure there are certain areas where this demographic of police officers thrive. there are millions of cops out there man
bronypokey6918
cant crack down on all of them if more keep coming out of the woodwork.
WobblyBitsX
If more keep "coming out of the woodwork" it means there is something broken in the selection and training process.
WobblyBitsX
Standing by and doing nothing or even protecting them is just as bad and far too common.
WobblyBitsX
It's not like these are powerless citizens we're talking about, they're the ones supposed to be keeping the peace.
Vhyson
Right because literally every other cop was complicit, and can watch every other cop 100% of the time, and still do their job. If they
TraitorousTrump3
Well, all 5 cops here were complicit.
Vhyson
Witnessed it themselves and did nothing, that's one thing. But pro tip, cops aren't omniscient
TGWeaver
Thank god there's not some precedent for systemic pattern of cops protecting their own even when they know they've done something wrong.
WobblyBitsX
Right? I can't imagine a world like that. Surely nobody would defend them then.
themooseof603
two told him filming was illegal, 2 directly lied, he states there were 5 cops around his car, pro tip covering for bad police makes you a
themooseof603
bad citizen
WilwoWaggins
I know someone decided to make it legal for cops to lie to people in their line of duty but lying about the law?
TheBurritoConfederacy
They can say pretty much anything they want, including lying about the law. In fact, they legally don't even need to know the law.
WilwoWaggins
It's good to be king.
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
Cops that lie about the law should be fired on the spot. Just like cooks that piss in your dinner and doctors that kill people on purpose
CitizenDickbag
Police are legally allowed to lie to people. It's bread and butter for interrogations. "You won't get in trouble if you tell us everything."
Slamtastik
"your buddy already snitched on you" lost a friends because of this. I said nothing and asked for a lawyer but she didn't believe me.
StoneThrowingDevil
By that logic they can walk up to someone in the street and say "hey, new law. Illegal to be you. Come with me" and it doesn't matter?
CitizenDickbag
Not in that case, b/c they need actual probable cause to detain and reasonable suspicion to arrest.
dannakala
Well that would be wrongful arrest if you could show the police acted unreasonably.
StoneThrowingDevil
My point is they can't make up laws to "wrongfully arrest" you for. if it's not illegal, you don't get to arrest people.
PiggyWobbles
or you know... arrest you for resisting arrest
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
Police are not allowed to make up laws and lie about them. 'trouble' is a vague term with multiple interpretations, law is not
dannakala
They definitely can lie about laws. They can't punish you if you followed their advice about the law though (entrapment by estoppel)
theyar
It's well established that K-9 units are a farce and are trained to follow the handler's cues and get a "hit" if the cop wants it.
Majordicklawn
If the dog didnt sit just must acquit!
theyar
Like lie detectors, they don't necessarily do what they claim, they just trick people into revealing things.
onegrimeyczar
So they illegally searched his car ?
LumberjackPirates
i think if the dogs sniff something, they can legally search. dunno, not american
TheBurritoConfederacy
Manufactured probable cause.
STINKPICKEL
And we all know cops would never say the dog alerted on something, when it did not, just to search the car. - Sarcasm 101
MalcontentTroll
No, they had PC for the stop, The K-9 then gave PC for the search when it hit on the car. Search found nothing, free to go.
MalcontentTroll
Was legal search, complete dick move, but legal.
onegrimeyczar
Thnx for responding. You can tell it's edited, so it's not really clear.
newsguycraigevans
The dog that was trained to feign interest gave them probable cause. Note that nothing was found once the search was complete.
sorrycannotbraintoday
Technically if a drug dog indicates that it sniffed drugs it gives probable cause
ThePyroknight
Yes that is true but most all Drug dogs are trained to sit next to or scrach at where they smell the illegal substance. 1/2
ThePyroknight
The reason for this is that they are trained to look for their favorite toy which the trainer would put the drug that the search for in. 2/2
ThePyroknight
which I didn't see any of those indicators. but if the dog was trained differently than other drug dogs then the dog could have been 1/2
ThePyroknight
upon his toy that the trainer is holding (The white towel).most trainers use a white towel for the toy because it absorbs the scent easily
Threns
Which is disturbing given the studies that have found drug dogs tend to give false positives because they pick up on the handlers' attitude.
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iLynux
I had a cop say "I smell marijuana coming from your car," and I calmly stated, "I don't smoke, officer. I don't know why you smell that."
iLynux
And he eventually just let me go. He was lying, because I don't smoke. Pretty sure he was saying that to try and spot a nervous response.
SMurphey
I think when the dog hits on something they consider it as a form of probable cause?
2moar
the probable cause would be the dog "indicating" something in the car, which itself can be shady
onegrimeyczar
Can the cops search the inside of a car when the dog smells the outside?
shiau91
The saddest part is that the attorney is part timing as an uber driver ????#LawyerLife
JustQuotingTheWire
maybe he's just passionate about driving people around
copingcabana
Supply and demand. We keep pumping out lawyers with the promise of a profession that is long gone.
dmk21
I will say out of all the professional schools lawyers has got to be the worst just because of this fact. Public lawyers need a higher pay
MyLifeisaComplicatedDrinkingGame
Could be a public defender. Not a lot of money in that.
Rip42
Or one for a non-profit. They can also be very underpaid.
worb84
I believe he says he is. One of the other officers recognizes him.
ADogg2013
I mean, some people enjoy getting to chat with people while they drive, enjoy staying busy, and want some extra money
Duros62
And this guy is apparently drumming up business by picking up people at alleged "drug houses."
ADogg2013
Well he might be a defense attorney... But he could also just live in a shitty part of town
ArkenX
It's Paul Goodman.
colombocock
Is part timing as an Uber friver illegal in his country?
schleimkeim
haha, America
BarfTittiesGalore
"Get Your Side Hustle On." - George W. Carver, never.
GemsAreOutrageousTrulyTrulyTrulyOutrageous
A lot of the cars in Davis I see with Uber/Lyft stickers are driven by people that look younger than me. I'm 28 y-o. School bills suck.
amerikajinda
Contract Attorney-ing alone won't pay the bills (don't even mention law school student loan bills!)
damnitdan
"I can't belive it's a Law Firm!"
SephiRothIRA
It used to be an Orange Julius!
invisibulman
I would say the saddest part is the cops not knowing the law. That's a failure from the top down.
TheStealthHippopotamus
I think they know the law. They're just happy to lie about it if they think it will help them
whydontiusethesynthesizer246014204711
Maybe he simply likes this way of life? (From time to time, maybe?) Sheesh...money is not nr.1 reason to be alive, mate.
ninjafartball
Law school is BLOODY EXPENSIVE
Hoenut
School is bloody expensive
forgetfulvegetarian
Found the brit
tortfeasor
And for a lot of people who go, not worth the money.
Renza0
*school* is bloody expensive
WhoYouGonnaCallGhostNappa
Well that shouldn't be the issue for him any more
Teaflings
hes doing this purposely fishing for a lawsuit
Deadlyfire
Yea but wouldn't he make more money on the clock as a lawyer than driving for uber? If you're going to work extra hours, why work for less?
AlwaysLitInMemeTown
A friend of mine who's currently using a lawyer is being charged $200 per hour
UnrulyCactus
And I have friends that just finished law school and their first jobs out of school pay less than what I make as a waiter. It takes a while
Shohanna
Yup, mine was 250/hr. I want to know why he had to do "uber"...
catfoodstudios
Because for every hour you get billed, there's likely another of unbilled work. In it significant costs.
XNXXNX
I’m charged $750 an hour for my family lawyer so I can see my son
sillysartre
Incredibly cheap for a lawyer. A fraction of that goes to the actual lawyer remember.
fivecharacters
As an attourney, thank you. People really do think running a practice is free, don't they.
ITalkAboutGoats
Not free, but I doubt it's close to 200/hr. I don't think y'all are starving
KingZullu
Talk fast motherfucker you got 7 minutes
RaynWisp
Phone sex is cheaper, oddly enough...
AlwaysLitInMemeTown
hahaha????
lipstickninja
I just hired a divorce lawyer.. retainer was $7500... in Maine... It's crazy!
AlwaysLitInMemeTown
Jesus christ
AwkwardKeming
I charge about $240. I also now owe as much interest on my student loans as I originally borrowed, and make less than if I had stayed (1/2)
AwkwardKeming
(2/2) working at Kinko's instead of going to law school. The market is over-saturated but law schools won't tell you that when you apply.
thatgoodguy32
That's actually on the lower side for a lawyer
AlwaysLitInMemeTown
He's sent one letter over to the other company and the bill is already on $3800
enneque
When you think about the end product and all you got was a letter out of it (2/2)
enneque
It's all the time spent looking up case law, drafting and revising the letter. Maybe multiple lawyers working on it. Still shitty tho (1/2)
Talligan
My uncle-in-law (on wife's side) quit lawyering to open a camera shop/Mall-santa photography business. More $$$ *and* he's happier.
MrAwesomesauce101
Yeah in the full video an officer said he recognized him working in a certain Judge's Court.
tangripper
because he picks up drug "mules" and drives them to other crack/trap houses..it's fairly common and good tips
brirun1
No, the saddest part, are cops being tough guys. They get a little authority/pistol and they push people around.
computerphile
Which is why I love the whole concept of "1st amendment audits" on youtube. It takes so little effort to find cops who abuse their authority
eroso
They often create unnecessary tension. That tension can't be good for their own or their "customers" safety.Scared & armed is not good combo
RackhamTheRed
guess getting a little authority/pistol attracts these kind of people
Rifneno
No, the saddest part is, nothing will happen to them for it.
younger223
He was definitely punished for this incident.
malikcarr
The cops didn't actually do anything illegal. They were total shitheads, no argument there, but that's not a crime...
Ohashootystealy
Not sure why you're downvoted, police literally have no obligation to tell the truth and can lie to get an admission of guilt. It's not a-
Ohashootystealy
-far stretch to simply lie to civilians to get them to comply.
JohntheF
cops telling people legal things are illegal is a thing they can do ? -to not say it's a thing that's legal..
fluhatinrapper
Sadly, yes. Cops are allowed to lie and legally protected to be able to.
SpongebobReferences
This should be made illegal in the same way yelling "BOMB" in an airport is illegal.
malikcarr
I agree with you 100%, you shouldn't be allowed to blatantly lie to someone during a traffic stop. But that isn't the law as it is...
forobservation
Yep. Cops should not lie to a person about laws or their own rights.
UhhhhhNick
Dare devil part times as a vigilante crime fighter
oo0ORB0oo
Maybe he likes to drive. But he ain't making much money doing that.
karabear517
It’s mostly corporate lawyers who get in firms who make the big money. Obvs that’s highly competitive and hard AF to get in to.
firekei
I moved down 2 Florida to be with family w/wife We are both attorneys. We can't afford it and are moving back to Little Rock. Law is rough
LooseyGooseyBrett
Why? Its common for people to work their way through college and not have a ton of debt
jebowlin
Unless hes a partner in a big firm, he aint making much, js
TheAncientSea
Seems like the premise of a kick ass mystery show
MrAwesomesauce101
If I recall this guy works with the District Attorney. Criminal law pays shit.
redloki55
he could just enjoy helping out in his spare time, also gotta pay those school bills somehow
Vekaer
Yesterday: Oklahoma City cops killed a Deaf man can't hear or speak, again.
IamMattman
How can they kill the same person twice?
areyounotintertained
#goodlawyerlife (Like Mat Murdock) !!! cause the bad ones work for evil companies and make millions.... (as they say in movies!)
missmaryMACKMACKMACK
Lol is that really the saddest part
PhloppyPhish1998
Idk never tried uber but it might be kinda fun.
ItsDangerousToGoAlone
LWYRUP
DidgeryDrew
Maybe he just likes doing it? I'm a high school English teacher and I work at a gas station during the summer because I like the work.
Abeskill2198
It is not sad at all, it's just a way to make extra money on your own time.
NuPhi1904
I make good money owning restaurants I did it for a few weeks just to see what it was like
neutrik
Why is that sad? Is it because he have to actually work?
CommentProvider
Why is that sad?
shiau91
I am aware of the bimodal salaries for lawyers. The question marks were a sad face but imgur hates emojis ????
catfoodstudios
service desk agent - pays like quadrupple I got as a paralegal for less stress.
titaniumlinkage
That is absolutely not the saddest part of this video
tortfeasor
That's because only a small percentage of lawyers actually make good salaries. I used to know an ADA that bar tended to pay rent.
chronoivan
Bar Exam: hardmode
tortfeasor
Unless you go to the best schools and graduate in the upper echelon of your class, big law isn't interested (generally speaking).
tortfeasor
And big law is one of the few places that still pays a solid six figure salary. Now you can live outside of big law (I did) but it's hard.
GuyThatHatesUsernames
I tell anyone interested in law school to do their homework. “Average salary” stats don’t show the full picture, as distribution is bimodal
HelloCaspar
I used to know a lawyer that owned a comic book shop. Wish that place was still open.
tortfeasor
ADA: Assistant District Attorney, FYI. In most cities they don't make enough to pay the bills and student loans.
tortfeasor
Note though, there are loan forgiveness programs for public interest lawyers, so there are ways to make it work, but again, it's hard.
RaynWisp
Loan forgiveness is kind of a moot point. Requires 10 years of public service - but student loans are 10-year-loans...
RaynWisp
(Don't go all "rage crusader" on me, I know you can get longer terms or lesser payments, but it's still fucked up)
iHaveDoneNothingButTeleportBreadFor3Days
Barista & barrister. Neat.
Ginocide
I smell a sitcom.
Mugz
Sounds like a good name for a pub.
osnabb
"Came for a lawsuit, stayed for the coffee"
BrettHereth15
Public Defender probably. I had a professor that was one and they don't make much at all.
idontevenknowsillymonkey
Few years back my wife did an unpaid internship at an accounting firm - the reception staff were making more than CPAs/CAs that had years /
idontevenknowsillymonkey
of experience...that made her say fuck it as she wasn't passionate about accounting to begin with - got pressured into the degree by parents
Astraithious
Works in the public sector maybe? Looks like somebody who would help those kind of people
Doumdidoum
With all the new AI legal software being brought in, lawyers are loosing their job fast.
ratfaceddog
Some lawyers are tighting their job, though, right?
dokpsy
More like low level paralegal and moving citations. The more demanding stuff beyond combing through years of documents still need humans
TaxAttorneyGuy
This is correct, anything beyond admin work really. It's amazing how so many people who know so little of the profession claim we'reobsolete
dokpsy
I've heard its very useful for finding precedent and combing through exhaustive records mainly and filling out standard forms.
dokpsy
Interpretation of the law is still a little bit lost on them.
pfsar
No the saddest part is that more than one cop in the video was happy to LIE about the law to ANY citizen. Imagine if he wasn't an attorney.
orangedoorhinge
cops are like a fraternity... they protect their own. not saying it's right just that's how it generally works
GrandpaRossysOldManDongs
And that's one of the biggest issues I have when a cop shoots someone, justified or not. It's their buddies investigating, and not an 1/2.
GrandpaRossysOldManDongs
independent group of investigators who have no tie to them. Could help ease some of the tension in the US nowadays.
ADisturbinglyAttractiveCactus
It's often IA investigating, and there is no love lost between them.
rubyredxx
And they are not only allowed to lie to us, but they are encouraged and even trained to do so as part of their job.
TheNextPresident
I'm am attorney and I've actually been considering it just to get some extra spending cash and make my own schedule. Might even get clients.
JamieSmyth
I have a feeling that after this incident, that lawyer got himself a new client
Sockerpappaharvaddubehover
One of the best stock brokers used to drive a cab. He asked all his costumers where they worked, if the company had smth nice ahead etc.
beleginwaffle
Agreed. Good marketing. You would seem more on the level of us common folk, but with super powers.
AlmightyDylon
I'm a firefighter drive for Uber. It's an easy couple hundred a week
BootsNCatsNBootsNCatsN
how many hours a week?
AlmightyDylon
Prolly 10-16
DapperDanAdoresYou
I met an uber driver in New Jersey who passes by the Airport everyday to work. He uses it to make extra money. Drives a nice car. Good job.
WilliamShatinher
Smart.
kaboodlez
My old platoon sergeant works in the pentagon and had to uber part-time to pay for his house.
PhenTsoksar
Do you people know how much it costs to live within a sane distance from the Pentagon, < 25miles? MetroDC is unforgiving in cost of living
thisisyourcat
Your PSG has expensive tastes or a wife with expensive tastes.
turbodog
High dollar dependapottamus.
Seeker61
He had a too-expensive house
missmaryMACKMACKMACK
Welcome to America.
sobeman
Not really, if you live in major cities yes, but there are plenty of states you can get very affordable homes.
tmleadr03
Northern VA is insane for housing prices.
dietderpsy
How much for a 1 bed apartment?
tmleadr03
Probably about 1700 a month. If he has a family that doesn't work so well.
Lethous
Well BAH should be tailored to the area
Isthe4thtimethecharm
It could be a good way to find a firm or clients. If you hang out in the right areas and get the right customers.
AndySoCal
just another bully trying to intimidate someone at their mercy
rodland57
No all cops are garbage
FurtiveGlancer
Lucky they didn't plant any evidence...
Janusha
This is every day with the cowboy amateurish US police.
maniacalmacaroni
Making things up and pretending they are facts because you made them up is the new norm. Thanks Donald.
bukobg
Don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.
ItAintGayIfItsAFemininePenis
Used to live in Wilmington, cops there are always pulling shit like this, and pulling laws out of their asses.
Tarlon
This is why you don't bring anyone who just completed a 2-week training program into the force. In most other places it's a 2-year education
PainGwen
In Georgia, police training is at least 3 months. Not that it is sufficient, but it is not 2 weeks. I'd imagine other programs are similar.
justtwobrothers
True... however, I watched the full video and the passenger he picked up had actually just bought drugs and got arrested
justtwobrothers
And this dude didn't get in trouble
rpgaff2
And people wonder why there is a huge mistrust of the pd now.
WeaponizedJerk
I'm one of those people. I start to see why. I'm still clinging to the hope it's a minority but since I don't live there I have no clue...
Elelith
Mercy main btw
jackdouglass
MERCY MAIN BY THE WHEY
tehmario
Do you like the new mercy?
Elelith
I like her! But then again I was never one to hide in the shadows for that 5man rez. I temporezzed before it got cool!
tehmario
People talk about the 5 man rez as if it is something that ever happens. It is (or was) exceeding difficult to pull off and rarely seen
Elelith
I agree. But there were the ones who spend their game trying to get one no matter the cost :D
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ChuckTingleBattlesTheAssGoblinsofAuschwitz
Do it. Battle Mercy is all the rage.
tehmario
Battle mercy was already nerfed. I just wish they never messed with her to begin with -_-
teapartyyy
what a waste of resources..
TheBrokenRuler
Yeah, except as an OFFICER OF THE LAW you aren't allowed to have stupid fucking hangups like an addiction to power and bullying- or at least
TheBrokenRuler
you fucking shouldn't.
CoderWithoutCaffeine
State troopers in Texas pulled us over for no reason, got my gf and brother out of the car, and started questioning us, then he asked my >
CoderWithoutCaffeine
Brother for permission to search the car. Cop was like well you must be hiding something. I was like no I simply thought you needed >
CoderWithoutCaffeine
A good reason to search a car. I'm a US navy vet, my gf black. This was the only time I was treated unfairly and like a criminal.
CoderWithoutCaffeine
I meant to say my gf is black and I'm Mexican I'm sure they were profiling us.
fluhatinrapper
Same shit happened to me and my brother. Both college educated white dudes who pulled off the wrong Ohio exit. Accosted us for 35 mins on...
KeeleonOhms
"US Navy vet" is an awfully weird autocorrect for "Mexican".
CoderWithoutCaffeine
They let us go when they didn't find anything. I did showed them my military ID, thinking that helped a bit too.
WhoWhatWhenWhereHowWhy
Well one kinda implies the other doesn't it..
idontwannabeme
hell yes. i always get chewed out when i post any anti police sentiments on this website. glad to know there are some other decent humans
Affray
This is an anti-asshole post. These assholes just happen to be police officers.
SaraFourImgur
Becoming increasingly synonymous. My brother is a great, fair cop but things are getting ridiculous.
JHawke
Being anti police is just being a moron, there are good cops. Not having respect for cops for the sole reason of them being cops is good.
SlapMyScrotum
Their are no good cops when the "good" ones don't do the correct thing and report the bad ones.
JHawke
If you honestly believe that never happens there is little hope for you.
KeeleonOhms
Its important to not lump ALL police in with your crticism. Similar to criticising any groups negative actions of a few.
ThisNameIsntTakenYet
This to me is scarier than cops shooting people. Cops having a complete disregard for the law is terrifying.
bobalam
ACAB but even so there ain't nothing worse than a dirty cop
DiabloPablo
1312
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Don't forget the law having a complete disregard for the law. Even when they do this shit they'll get away with it almost every time.
swoman1023
I'm terrified of the fact that they told more than one outright lie to intimidate him & get him to do what they wanted.
TheUserNameNotTaken
Cops are allowed to lie to you. look it up, its the law. These are the kinds of things we need to change if we want to change the police
swoman1023
That's awful
chronoivan
Cops are allowed to tell certain classes of lie, e.g. in a hostage situation or w/e. I don't think they can lie about laws to a civilian
makingwoofles
That's something I've never understood. Why aren't they held to higher standards considering they're to uphold the law.
asmallcat
Because it usually only impacts the poor, and in the US we don't give 2 shits about the poor, especially if they're brown.
makingwoofles
pancreas
positions of power tend to attract the power hungry
captainKoalaM
Power corrupts!
LychFinderGeneral
Aren't there better options for power hungry people? Being a police officer is a pretty crappy job with little pay to show for it.
BetterDemosthenes
The base starting salary for police in my area is $109,000/yr. Way above the average income here.
CitizenDickbag
Hmm? Police tend to be paid very well and have great benefits. Police Unions are the most powerful in the US.
LychFinderGeneral
What are you talking about? Police only make...*checks Google*...holy shit. Nevermind.
CitizenDickbag
Yeah, it's a super sweet deal without even needing a college education. Three mos. training and decent starting salary + great government
FussyZeus
You know the saying, Army is full of people who couldn't be Marines, Cops are people who couldn't be Army, etc...
ITalkAboutGoats
I feel like army isn't lower than marines...
ForgotMyOtherAcct
Yeah, which is why they sometimes scrape the bottom of the barrel. It isn't as hard to get as being a judge or politician or etc.
TallDude
Look up the Stanford Prison Experiment, positions of power causes people to abuse said power. Not just from people that are power hungry.
DarthChewie
Actually one of the participants came forward and said they were all high as hell because they snuck in pot. Kinda ruins any evidence
WeaponizedJerk
And they're also almost always fucking fat.
HowMuchMethWasInvolvedHere
Well it wasn't just the one cop, five others, and apparently the k-9 unit are all members in this gang. Because that's a fucking gang.
hblb229
The other officers not reining in their colleague are worse in my opinion!
asmallcat
Yup. Officers can make the K-9 units alert at any time. Read up on how unreliable drug field tests are too.
EdgySarcaticUndertones
Technically the police are a gang, used to fight other gangs...so is the army if you think about it
apittsburghoriginal
I mean, the corrupt ones even smuggle drugs. So yeah, it is pretty much that.
chronoivan
In a way, you're right. But in a more accurate way, this gang is accountable in principle to the taxpayer, vs others accountable to themself
Iriseon
Also, dogs react to their handlers. http://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/the-surprising-truth-about-sniffer-dogs
InfinitusEquitas
This is exactly the point where that k9 should be retired and handler disciplined, along the rest of those pigs. Nice retirement for the dog
idonthavetimeforthiseither
Exactly, they'll behave in the way their handlers behave.
AlwaysLitInMemeTown
Gang gang skrrrrt
KillerTofu615
I don't know about where he is, but I know in Indiana, there are only 2 officers per person involved allowed on site. More is intimidation.
SomeRandomNobhead
Biggest gang in the world even.
smashole
They can say they dog indicated something. So they can search your car. Lies all lies!
JHawke
Don't know about america, but in the Netherlands they HAVE to state the reason before doing anything. This video would be obvious proof.
giveamouseacookie
In the U.S. during a traffic stop, police only need probable cause to legally search your vehicle. Probable cause means police must have 1/2
giveamouseacookie
some facts or evidence to believe you're involved in criminal activity. 2/2
Affray
1)A buddy of mine was pulled over a while back and the officer wanted to search his car without reason. Buddy just kept asking why, but the
Affray
2)cop refused to give a reason. Then the cop called in another officer because my buddy was "refusing to cooperate", by asking for the
UnassumingAscotCap
It's meant to be the same here, but they'll detain you, have a k9 unit come, have the dog act like it found something, and use it as an 1/2
UnassumingAscotCap
Excuse to forcibly search your car. American cops are utterly corrupt and will do whatever they can get away with, which is sadly a lot
CoderWithoutCaffeine
If they want to search your car, and have no reason. They will make a lie or use scared tactics for you to agree. I've been there.
thatgoodguy32
Internal investigation? Fire those cops
TheKingofBees33
more like they'll get a paid vacation
SomeCrazyNerd
The main cop lying was demoted.
TheRockDude
preferably literally. i would pay to see those liars literally have their pants be set on fire
stopthesquirrel
It's a common interrogation tactic and perfectly legal for police to lie. This is why everyone needs to know their rights
spudpicker
Unfortunately "internal investigation" is often code for "There's media pressure now, but we figure you'll forget it about it in a month."
SomeRandomNobhead
That's optimistic, they get away with actual murder and that's just the ones that aren't covered up.
SomeCrazyNerd
He was demoted.
SomeRandomNobhead
Good to see.
SomeCrazyNerd
They have to consider all the evidence forst. Much ljke a court case; you have to follow due process not just assume it's open-and-shut
GhostbusterGuy
I'm sorry you're getting down voted. You're right, due process and protocol are there for a reason.
NotMyUsualOnlineName
Later in the video the supervisor on scene tells him it's perfectly legal to film them, so, yeah, pretty open and shut.
SomeCrazyNerd
And my point specifically was it doesn't matter ifit's open and shut process is there for a reason and you say so yourself.
SomeCrazyNerd
You should be arguing with the no due process mob here not the person who's point you agreed to.
SomeCrazyNerd
Missing the point 101. Due process is always applied no matter how much you may think it's uneeded because ignoring it is fraught with risk
NotMyUsualOnlineName
Didn't say to deny due process, just pointed out that it is an open and shut case. An open and shut case is simply a case that is easy to
SomeCrazyNerd
Then why are you arguing??!!
SomeCrazyNerd
Open and shut doesn't matter. You still have to perform proper process which is all I was saying.
NotMyUsualOnlineName
prove because the facts are clear, it's not "Throw them in jail without a trial, they're guilty."
SomeCrazyNerd
Oh no due process! How dare people be patient and careful before dishing out consequences! I want my witch hunt!
IronicUsername
We're talking about firing him, not arresting him and he's literally on camera demanding a citizen cease a legally protected activity.
SomeCrazyNerd
Just because the conclusion seems obvious doesn't mean you ignore the process. "Obvious" conclusions can be wrong.
IronicUsername
What process, exactly? An investigation isn't required to fire someone and I'd love to see you come up with a plausible context in [1]
SomeCrazyNerd
There's due process for that. They demoted him shortly after investigation but hey looked into things clearly before just reacting.
IronicUsername
You don't know what a witch hunt is.
SomeCrazyNerd
I know an internet mob that cares more about anger than real justice. It happens all the time on Imgur.
BrayerIncognito
lol, you'd be lucky if they got a slap on the wrist for that.
krapmyself
Ikr? Literal video evidence of a police officer lying about a made up law. There's no gray area here!
SomeCrazyNerd
Due process always applies. Any leeway will lead to mistakes, revenge cases and corruption.
talenphillips
It's legal for a police officer to lie to you.
talenphillips
https://www.njmoorelaw.com/10-ways-police-can-lie-to-you
TheTimeless
Doesn't say they can lie about a "new law", this article gives very specific reasons and ways they can lie, that's not one of them.
talenphillips
They can lie about anything at any time (except they can't entrap or purger). That's how undercover officers operate 24/7.
shinagami091
Sorry but wouldn't that fall under entrapment laws and cause a case to get thrown out?
eroso
Here it would. Entrapment is just allowed on wider basis in the US than at Europe, so I dunno how's it there.
talenphillips
Entrapment? Exactly what crime is the officer inducing the driver to commit?
eroso
He was talking about lying in general, not this case.
ThatAustralianKid
Is this a brand new law?
talenphillips
No. This has been going on for a long time. It's one of the reasons you don't talk to police officers without a lawyer if you can help it.
ThatAustralianKid
How fucked
talenphillips
https://www.njmoorelaw.com/10-ways-police-can-lie-to-you
talenphillips
http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2007/01/point-of-law.aspx
ThailandExpress
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazier_v._Cupp I got u back to -4 hope people will understand you were stating a fact and shouldn't downvote
talenphillips
Thanks. People tend to believe what they want to believe. If you really want to help, post your own comments to help raise awareness.
ThailandExpress
The drug war is what has ruined policing in US, a large violent black market and proliferation of guns has turned them insular.
legallynotabinder
So if a cop says you lost your freedom of speach now tell us what you did, that's legal?
ThailandExpress
Short answer, yes. Long answer yyeeessss. Yes that is why you should always ask for a lawyer
Barley426
This does not say police are free to lie to you, especially about violating rights under the guise of made up laws
ThailandExpress
..language of the ruling did not specifically state which forms of police deception were acceptable, but the ruling provided a precedent.."
cantcornerthewarner
I'm pretty sure 'internal investigation' is cop talk for 'wait for this to blow over'
newsguycraigevans
They will investigate themselves and find no evidence of wrongdoing.
SomeCrazyNerd
He got demoted.
spudpicker
Singular? I watched two separate officers directly lying to deny citizen rights. What happened to the other one?
SomeCrazyNerd
I don't know.
IronicUsername
Should have lost his job.
SomeCrazyNerd
I dunno.
IronicUsername
I do.
SomeCrazyNerd
I find it's usually easier and more tempting for peoole to just support harsh penatlies but things are more difficult than that.
IronicUsername
Losing your job for violating someone's rights isn't a particularly harsh penalty.
SomeCrazyNerd
Lying to someone about being able to use a camera isn't a particularly harsh crime.