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cytherians
War and torture are generally looked upon as bad things that should never happen.
This message from the Israeli government is patently evil. Laws are meant to be used as a deterrence. Boasting that you routinely torture captives that you brand as terrorists, to make their lives miserable, as some sort of deterrence... should be a Geneva Convention violation.
I will never forget or forgive what Israel has done to the Palestinian people. Never going to visit that nation, ever.
duktayp
** angry Kim Jung noises
custardandfishfingers24
This is why everybody else hates Israel. It has nothing to do with anti-demotion. The Palestines are Semitic, after all.
Bear1bear
They tortured a child! And you think they won't torture you and your own?
CedricDur
'I know he said it, but he didn't mean it like that, so Gret's still lying' - MAGAs lying through their teeth to their gullible brain rotted voters.
GorillaFLicks
After the activists were detained and banged around, I bet IDF families started moving into their homes in other countries like they do in Palestine.
Samantha4u
She got tortured? holy jeeze
michaelfire
Torture at ICE private prison detention company facilities /gallery/torture-ice-private-detention-centers-bSU3TeW
hawkhandsaw
I thought Israeli officials were not supposed to use the word "occupation."
MissSiesta
I logically know there are innocent people in Israel, like children and people who oppose their nazi regime and genocide. But I do want to just torch the whole place to get rid of the nazis. If we could just get the innocent out and leave the nazis behind I would argue for bombing Israel. Enough is enough.
BeingABotIsRad
This is a wild idea, I know, but... What if we did that? Just relocated everyone, and carpet-bombed the whole place. I dunno where you'd move an entire nation to, but there's gotta be livable space on Earth somewhere.
PolitiCat
Sweden and all other countries whose citizens were illegally kidnapped from international waters and tortured should declare war on Israel.
Arkandos
Swedens embassy couldn't even be bothered to bring Greta and the other tortured swedes water. Our foreign ministry said "they had only themselves to blame, stop bothering us (the foreign department) about it"
SalmonTheWise
And they lied to families of the captured activists about conditions they were in, access to water etc. Someone should reveal the names of the consular staff who visited the prison so that their fucking careers are over.
PolitiCat
Seems like they need to be removed from office, as they clearly don't do their job.
Arkandos
The government seems very pleased with their performance, and there's very little media reporting about it.
The opposition would have an open goal forcing their resignation but they aren't trying either. It's all so fucked
mardukkur
"prison service fighters"
Fuck you.
jesuisgur
What does that even mean ?
freakdiablo
Prison employees whose only job responsibility is to torture and beat the prisoners.
MarvelousMind
This is an AI translation and it doesnt seem to be accurate.
michaelfire
US rights in danger too-Operation Canary Mission-Israeli Intel Op against USA universities, media, politicians, legal system-now US immigration system. https://www.vox.com/politics/410125/canary-mission-the-pro-isrxplained">https://www.vox.com/politics/41012">ael-grou">xplained">https://www.vox.com/politics/410125/canary-mission-the-pro-israel-group-taking-credit-for-student-deportation-explained https://www.thenation.com/article/world/canary-mission-israel-covert-operations/ https://www.democracynow.org/2023/12/27/canary_mission OP Lavender-using US Intel tech https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza 1/
michaelfire
CIA, Theil's Palantir, Israeli Op Lavender. See Human Rights, targeting civilian deaths, genocide https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocin-gaza/">https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international">ide-agai">in-gaza/">https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/ https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/05/end-unfolding-genocide-or-watch-it-end-life-gaza-un-experts-say-states-face https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/05/15/gaza-latest-israeli-plan-inches-closer-extermination US human rights targeted w/Epstein in US 2/
michaelfire
Honey Trap-Google Maxwell's father, Epstein ties https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-writer-who-broke-epstein-case-a-rumored-mossad-link-is-worth-digging-iing-into">https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-writer-who-broke-epstein-case-a-rumored-mossad-linto ">ing-into">https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-wrnk-is-wo">nto ">ing">iter-who">nk-is-wo">nto ">ing-into">https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-writer-who-broke-epstein-case-a-rumored-mossad-link-is-worth-digging-into https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-steven-hoffenberg-intelligence-agencies-spy-1197708/ http://www.jpost.com/israel-news/jeffrey-epstein-may-have-had-links-to-israeli-leaders-the-rolling-stone-674244 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-interview.html /gallery/arpNy8U
Comet260
Look at his eyes. He's EVIL: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Itamar_Ben_Gvir_3_%28cropped%29.jpg
BeckyLookAtHerButt
Hungry Palestinian children are terrorists, got it.
Zobbie
Yes , if they survive and grow up they certainly will be. The sad reality of the circle of life.
PapaTimDankopus
how else would they justify spending US tax dollars on The Orphan Grinder 9,000
2Soon4Baboon
If those children weren't terrorists, then indiscriminately killing them would be reprehensible and evil.
eromitlab
I"D"F: but there was probably a Hamas tunnel under the children, maybe
TheRealCrimesJohnson
IDF is short for IDGAF
oriyagi
I think what constantly gets lost here is the only reason they are all so young in Gaza is that Israel just culls them all every few decades, otherwise they would be adults and nobody would even care! /s
anjeleyezjr
Can we just, ya know...get rid of israel? They should not have been made a country.
Heisanevilgenius
Hol' up
gobblinal
Get rid of their government and hand it over to Switzerland would be my suggestion.
aguacatedeldiablo
No? How exactly do you propose to do that?
anjeleyezjr
Complete destruction of their government would be a start. Then again, I would say that about any theocratic state.
aguacatedeldiablo
Yeah, but *realistically* how do you propose to do that? Without starting WWIII?
anjeleyezjr
I don't see complete destruction of the human race as a bad thing, so not starting WW3 would not be a concern of mine.
aguacatedeldiablo
Fair enough, I won't imagine we will see eye to eye if you can't see the inherent incompatibility in your own position.
loma45
No, they shouldn't have. However there is no path to removing them as a country that doesn't involve genocide and/or ethnic cleansing - so if you're calling to "get rid of" Israel then be clear about what you're suggesting.
IMO there's still a ton of diplomatic measure that can be used, it'll just require other countries growing a spine and actually implementing sanctions/etc.
Feralkyn
Get rid of their government and merge their people into the Palestinian population. Give free transit to those who want to go to big daddy USA.
loma45
"Get rid of their government" - right, this a big sticking point. Especially for a country with nuclear weapons. There's no real way to do it - I guess someone could mount a full scale invasion and just hope they don't trigger a nuclear war.
That's not a real solution, it's just a wish.
Feralkyn
I didn't say it was viable. I don't think there is a viable one. But you said "there is no path to removing them as a country that doesn't involve genocide and/or ethnic cleansing" which is just wrong. My point is that it's about the government, not the people.
PineappleLoopsBroether
Cmnd + Z (undo)
Telemapus
What's the Z stand for? đ
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Zionism?
Telemapus
PineappleLoopsBroether
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VaxxedCanadian
lol @ Greta: They made us sit on hard floors.
Subsound
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TheAccursedHamster
We canadians do not take ownership of this fucking dipshit.
dragonsdemesne
True, but Greta isn't Canadian. She's from somewhere in Scandinavia, if memory serves.
Efreeti
They were talking about the Imgur user they were replying too, see the name.
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Even if it was only that (which it wasn't)...you try that for a couple of days with direct lighting and limited access to food and sanitation. Let us know how you go, sweat cheeks
bananabonanza3
While also being a young woman surrounded by violent men of a fascist regime. Itâs terrifying.
Filanwizard
Given what I have heard about IDF prisons, i am thankful she did not get violated, because that specific kind of assault is from what i hear not uncommon from their prisons on captured women.
bananabonanza3
I will never understand the hate the right has against Greta. Sheâs a bright young woman fighting a million times harder for shit she believes in than people triple her age.
There was a time that even people that didnât agree with her would still admire her resolve, not belittle and dismiss her.
Shame on you. Making fun of her is incredibly pathetic. You need take a look at yourself and try to figure out why a young woman standing her ground against injustices is so upsetting for you.
OhIfIMust
You answered your own question in the second sentence.
IfILikeYourJokeITellYou
Women who think are the greatest threat to their cause
mikeatike
They hate all women. They especially hate women that talk back to them.
idiotsonfire
Intelligent young woman with agency reminding them of how much of a fucking failure they are.
Useyourhead165
Don't engage with this nutjob this they love making shit comments
ElusiveThing
And she's been at it since her teens. A damning indictment of the world when we are about to leave the youth (well, she is like 15 years my junior) a toxic wasteland.
Useyourhead165
She's standing up in a world where most people are backing down or staying silent minus the ones who just love to stir the pot
ElusiveThing
Yup. It's admirable.
bananabonanza3
Thanks for the heads up, haha. It was good to vent about that anyway haha
Useyourhead165
Glad you were able to vent but I'm past venting stay safe out there
ToSisPoS
Sheâs what they fear. A young, energetic woman who doesnât wilt under hot lights and strawman criticism
dragonsdemesne
Well, I'm a moderate/centrist, but I'd say it's because while Greta has good intentions, she's incompetent scientifically and just has no idea what's actually happening climate-wise. (or with Israel, for that matter)
Efreeti
Sounds like you've swallowed anti-Greta propaganda tbh. She's never claimed to be competent scientifically. You don't have to be a scientist to be a science communicator or an advocate. You just have to LISTEN to the experts. But you don't seem to get that, or you've listened too much to conspiracy theorists that tell you to distrust experts.
idiotsonfire
If you're centrist, you're a right winger. There is no centrism when the overton window has moved that far to the right.
dragonsdemesne
Hardly. I think I might actually be slightly left of center these days, but it's pretty close. I'm just not naive enough to think the far left is any better than the far right.
Dracology
She's a woman who isn't a quiet subservient fleshlight. That's why they hate her.
Targe0
You do understand she was physically beaten, right? They knocked her to the floor and kicked her.
ButtscratchMcPherson
Link? I don't think I've seen her mention that in the post-release articles.
DreamPhreak
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/10/15/greta-thunberg-i-was-tortured-beaten-and-starved-by-israel/
ButtscratchMcPherson
Paywall bypass: https://archive.ph/mjzvn
ButtscratchMcPherson
Thank you. And piss off to the downvoters, Christ on a cracker.
LuminoZero
You don't get to be indignant about being aggressively ignorant about something that can EASILY be Googled.
t9dawg
She said that. The Swedish Foreign Ministry otoh said she never complained about being beaten when they visited her in the prison. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/ud-ska-undersoka-hur-greta-thunberg-behandlats-i-israels-fangelse
ButtscratchMcPherson
I recall that; that was during a time when another activist was claiming she was being sexually assaulted in prison. Only quotes I saw from her after she was released only talked about a forced photo of her in front of an Israeli flag.
Targe0
Then you might want to widen your news source pool.
Because it was in most news outlets reporting.
The only ones that played that portion down are the ones who don't want to make Israel look bad.
t9dawg
According to the Swedish foreign ministry, none of the Swedish citizens (incl Greta) said anything about being hurt when met in that prison. So both are lying? Who knows, really. Source: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/ud-ska-undersoka-hur-greta-thunberg-behandlats-i-israels-fangelse
torbtom
Not sure why you are getting downvoted. âShe[Greta] told about harsh treatment and that she had to sit long on a hard surfaceâ is the only witness statement there.
t9dawg
They dw because they do not want the truth to be told. Same why we never see any posts here abt Hamas brutal crimes against Palestinians, yes, against Palestinians.
They care about the destruction of the jewish state (one of the most upvoted comments here) and they care about Hamas (another highly upvoted comment).
NexusOverlord
You deserve the same treatment
zombiejedediah
Apparently you can't read Swedish.
t9dawg
I can. "Enligt Svante Liljegren har inte svenskarna berĂ€ttat om att man blivit slagen för personalen som besökte svenskarna i fĂ€ngelset." It says "According to Svante Liljegren (Foreign Ministry) the Swedes have not told the visiting staff that they were beaten in prison". Ănskas nĂ„got mer?
zombiejedediah
Did you read the rest. Everywhere else including the first half of the article details how they were treated.
But a little SD wanker takes a quote from the one official who visited them in prison where they were about to go back to their cells & their torturers at face value.
The school system failed you. Badly.
lifeisadadjoke
For two years, Israel showed the world WHY Hamas became the only option.
dragonsdemesne
Stop supporting terrorism, asshole.
lifeisadadjoke
You have the day you deserve, cupcake.
unannouncedguest
Quite a bit longer than 2 years
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
I mean... not really. They never "became" the only option and there WERE other options. Hamas came into power because Netanyahu specifically put his thumb on the scale to install them to power because he saw their extreme position as detrimental to negotiations.
There were other, better, more moderate options available, but a Netanyahu-lead Israel determined those options risked deescalation, which was detrimental to their political/military goals.
WireWynaut
More than his thumb, his pocketbook, as he stated proudly in the Jerusalem Times in 2014, 2017, and 2019.
ArgentXero
No he didn't. They organically won power because they ran on an anti-corruption ticket.
Netanyahu actually thought he could buy them off, which he couldn't but then used their legit emancipationary goals as the reason why Israel had to defend itself.
Hamas was not at fault what so ever, their goals were entirely defensive in nature and have never operated outside of Historic Palestine.
Sebastopol140
Exactly. Bibi needed an opponent, not peace.
hsalonen3000
I am still against Hamas AND Israel. Both need to go. Both are terrorists.
WireWynaut
Gotta be against Israel to be against Hamas - Netanyahu pays their way, after all.
neptix
Hamas is just as fucked up as Israel, they just don't have nearly as much power. The Palestinian people deserve better than Hamas for leadership, just as they deserve to live in peace in their own damn land.
WireWynaut
Hamas is an Israeli weapon, bought and paid for.
InTangier
No, they are the reaction to decades of rejected diplomatic solutions and Israeli apartheid. Even Ehud Barak, ex prime minister, replied he would join a terrorist group if he was Palestinian.
alrightalrightalrightpartyatthemoontower
Iâm so confused if two states would help or just let them fight it out. Itâs insane that they canât live together due to religion. I know itâs land and history, but just get over it to save your kids. Itâs not that crazy an idea. Less religion and more intermarriage and thatâs the recipe for peace. Everyone wins. And that is historically true. Just for people that want to disagree. These groups are not special in that regard though they currently think so.
flipiflop
It's not religion; it's never religion. It's economics and power.
Zunderfeuer
Israelis have been brainwashed since childhood to think everyone hates them and they must be even more hateful and violent to ''defend'' themselves
If all you have is a hammer everything becomes a nail and if you feel some sudo religious righteousness stemming from generations of hate and dehumanizing people you don't think about whether to use the hammer.
In this case the hammer is one bought by the US and Europe spending Billions for decades now to weaponizing Israels hate
Zunderfeuer
Also the fact remains that Israel with the help of the west ( and in the best interest of the west) stole the land from people that have been living there for countless generations, their bullshit claims to it via religion and some cooked up (and highly disputed) historic ''facts'' doesn't change that.
So yeah, talking about Israel as a (very sick) society, you have to take into account where it comes from and what kind of future this would have for the ''oh lets just all make peace''
Zunderfeuer
For one side it is about hateful greed, for the other it is survival when it comes to civilians