iMercilessVoid
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College/AP courses for the smart kids, remedial courses for those falling behind. It's got everything you could need if only you are willing to put in the work.
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iMercilessVoid
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College/AP courses for the smart kids, remedial courses for those falling behind. It's got everything you could need if only you are willing to put in the work.
DragoinLord2718
Very true, better to have a successful life than a total fail
TennoOperator
Getting forced through the school system helps no one. It's a shit system
Krenum
My problem with the school system was all me. I just didn't give a shit when I was younger.
QuaqueNocte
Some schools don't even have college/ap courses as I've found out growing up. Some lack what I thought were basic, like fucking geography.
StevesSegallbladder
One of the school I attended for a short while had a geography teacher that didn't know how to spell geography... ah memories.
Ishouldnt
Depends where you live - sure you have motivated people everywhere, but others require a little push (i.e. empowerment) and guidance
END3RW1GGIN
I'll push people...
exlurker42
The most advanced path available to me at my rural public school left me a year behind when I switched to a better high school. 1/2
exlurker42
2/2 whether or not you have the options you're talking about is VERY contextual based on the school, and thus the income bracket of students
boxbackknitties
The general attitude towards schools, teachers, and education in the US is totally fucked. Teachers should be held in high esteem/respected.
ohnoNSFW
That's for getting it. It's a popular opinion to shit on US education, schools, and teachers and simultaneously question why it's not better
Buffalowingman
And should be held to high standards, there are several teachers I know that I do not think are qualified to teach kids, unions protect them
boxbackknitties
Very true. I figure just about every profession has a certain percentage of nitwits who are in way over their heads. Unions aren't just educ
Surbies
Any school can be good as long as parents are involved.
coolirst
The problem with the school system is the kids don't care, parents care even less and the teachers gave up
13Alpha
The biggest problem with American schools, is American students.
EMallorn
Nah, the biggest problem is the independent state curricula and massive funding disparity.
MakeAWishFoundationAlum
Stop Making Sense...it's easier for them to blame the American swine.
EMallorn
Oh, I blame the American swine - the boards of education and other government people who misapply standards and funds.
MakeAWishFoundationAlum
Indeed. They are truly the American swine but I'm sure you understand that not what the comment I was replying to was on about.
AmSpecialSnowflake
Definitely lots of good for motivated people, but mine offers maybe a dozen classes? Only 6 that I was interested in enough to take. My ...
AmSpecialSnowflake
cousin's private school offers a lot more. They took 10, all of which I'd have loved to take
theonionman
I mostly agree with you. I have gotten a great public education with options to go to great colleges, but I also live in one of the (1/?)
theonionman
most highly taxed and highest earning counties in the country. Public schools are more/less effective depending on those factors. I’m (2/?)
theonionman
very lucky to live where I do (3/3).
Solitarian
Schools hundreds of miles, or even just a few miles, apart are completely different. No real standards between schools, everyone taught to
Solitarian
a test, with the whole system geared toward the lower end yet failing them too.
Solitarian
With $, politics, and some other factors as severely limiting to what they've 'got'
nanook907
Nothing for the kids who are right in the middle even at best effort, it's always about the 10% behind and the 2% that's ahead
Cindex1337
Once you're into high school it gets better, but it blows until then. Lots of places you can't skip grades, and then you end up being 1/
Cindex1337
Bored all the time and hating school. By the time you can take advantage of programs you're done with it. It's administration shit....
Unluky
I'm married to a teacher. The system sucks balls for teachers.
iMercilessVoid
I agree, and it sucks. Teachers have the hardest and most thankless jobs
Kangadilla
I feel for teachers, however I feel the Hardest and most Thankless jobs go to the Nurses and Firefighters, and other such jobs.
donkeydickinyomouth
Tell that to a RN
Unluky
Yeah, RN is right up there with teachers. What is the median RN salary though? I bet it's significantly higher than teachers.
SirStrongBad
It is, but they work significantly more hours as well too.
iMercilessVoid
Idk, teachers bring a LOT of work home.
donkeydickinyomouth
I'm not trying to short change any other profession however, the combination of emotional distress, long hours, and the nature of our 1/2
donkeydickinyomouth
Profession are undervalued on a societal level in my opinion, further more I have had many great teachers and could not respect them more
h0tdoglatte
It does a good job of teaching people to stand in line, and not question too much.
nanook907
And those who question why it's not better or why it's done this way are punished and written off
ohnoNSFW
Standing in line teaches people to follow organizational procedures to avoid chaos, waiting turns, and patience.
ohnoNSFW
Questions are welcomed and encouraged, just not unrelated inane questions to derail teaching and learning...1/2
ohnoNSFW
2/2...little kids love to talk, tell and share stories, and ask any random question that pops into their heads. Now multiply that by 30+.
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Bullshit. I questioned everything in school. This has more to do with your personality than your school.
h0tdoglatte
And got sent to the office all the time?
END3RW1GGIN
No.
nanook907
It's also a very situation problem, it was taught not the question routine and problems in my school, rather ignore it
END3RW1GGIN
Wow that sucks. Schools are supposed to teach you how to learn not stifle it.
DeepBlueNothing
It's pretty atrocious if you don't learn exactly the way they deem acceptable, there's no flexibility so you better conform.
zma123456
If you ever been to another country, you'll know how good our school system is. Sure it's not perfect but it's a lot better than many other.
StevesSegallbladder
I feel like as far as American schools go we're a C nation. We can be worse but we definitely aren't excellent.
steve1907
You're pretty spot on, usually about 18th in the world, kind of middle of the table of all the countries that normally make up these surveys
steve1907
American system is usually placed about 18th in the world in terms of reading, maths and science. It's most Northern European countries,
steve1907
South Korea, Japan, the US, lot of Eastern European countries and rest of world.
RGisSatan
I like my kids schools (public) and teachers but they are all (mostly) leftists or very liberal
iMercilessVoid
Politics have no place in a school system,
ohnoNSFW
100% agree. Unfortunately, politics play a HUGE part. Look no farther than the DeVos confirmation hearing.
TacoCatte28
It has all the education you can buy. If you can afford it. By "ffort" OP means money because rich kids seem to pass a lot of hard courses.
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iMercilessVoid
I'm poor as all hell, taking AP courses right now. So no, I'm not saying that.
TacoCatte28
If you're posting on the internet then you aren't even grazing the surface of the poverty that exists in the US
iMercilessVoid
Sorry. I meant my family lives paycheck to paycheck and I work to pay for everything I have including school.
TacoCatte28
You should try some Scandinavian socialism. Free school, healthcare, daycare. Whatever happens to you or your kids the state has your back.
UnfortunateSon
That's a great idea. I'll just fix US politics all by myself and then I won't be poor anymore!