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In the United States, we have this thing called Gerrymandering, I'm sure you may have heard of it. This is where state legislation draws congressional districts to favor their party, and is illegal. This is Illinois' 4th district, also known as the "earmuff" district. NOBODY LIVES IN THE REALLY THIN PART. The goal was merge two majority Hispanic neighborhoods together, with a black one in between. Racial gerrymandering is also illegal.
I'm sure you have seen this picture on here before. It gives a pretty good illustration of how it works. How do they get away with it? First off, I will explain the rules for drawing districts.
1.) Must have about the same population per district.
2.) Must be compact, contiguous, and rely on geography and political subdivisions (towns, counties, cities)
However, the state legislators who draw the districts often use partisanship to redraw the districts, which results in these awfully drawn districts. Supreme Court made this test to see if legislators were drawing the lines relying on political partisanship. In this test, they had to prove they had intent, and effect, in drawing the lines based on partisanship. However, this is very hard to prove and the court never could prove they were doing it.
My professor at the University of Illinois is working on a way to end gerrymandering with a super computer, which is apparently the fastest computer used for research. It can draw millions of different maps that are compact, contiguous, and rely on geography and political subdivisions and effectively turn political affiliation off.
Just watch this video. My professor explains it much better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JUzbvjZ1OY
JeriSanchez
The fact people can openly say they are redrawing districts to maintain a majority and be fine is sickening. Both dems and republicans.
MillenniumFalcon
I live in Chicago. I can confirm that our politicians (Chicago and the state in general) are corrupt as fuck.
TomatoMan2017
Oddly shaped districts != Evil Gerrymandering, though that is a possibility.
jsnforce
Unless someone literally turns the political affiliation thing on. Like, whoever owns the computer, under the influence of whoever pays them
DeepwaterJew
That one in Chicago kind of had a purpose in connecting two Hispanic neighborhoods. There's a Last Week Tonight that explains this.
DeepwaterJew
Still, gerrymandering can be terrible. Don't get me wrong.
BarrackHusseinIslamabama
The super computer will probably be used to super gerrymander, sadly.
CyborgScribe
Supermandering
CaiusAquilus
Gerrymandering is legal. That is why they do it. It is only illegal if evidence is presented to a court shows that the districts (1)
Wuz314159
Partisan Gerrymandering is legal. . . . Racial Gerrymandering is illegal.
CaiusAquilus
Boundaries disenfranchise based on ethnic or racial lines. Texas recently got in trouble for this in federal court.
HoldMyWater
Exactly. Drawing districts so specific communities get representation is a good thing.
Paintmanusa
I live outside of Chicago. Indiana side, and a conservative. My votes for the last 32 years have never counted. Aunt Mary, died 35 ago. vote
drunkcat
Who told you gerrymandering was illegal?
Munchman347
When provably done for racial or economic reasons, the courts have ruled it to be illegal...
Shoutrr
eliminate districts. done. you're welcome
BeaglesLoveBlueberries
Yeah, just rewrite 50 state constitutions. Done. You're welcome.
Shoutrr
if you need a supercomputer to setup the district, then maybe rewriting 50 states constitution to remove the mention of districts is easier.
BeaglesLoveBlueberries
The rule of law could be a fairly simple geometric rule (e.g. Max perimeter:area ratio), plus the delegation of a bipartisan panel. (1)
BeaglesLoveBlueberries
The bipartisan panel would have to work together to pass a solution, and the geometry rule would create the compactness. (2)
BeaglesLoveBlueberries
If they want to use an algorithm to solve for the rules, ok. It's easier than changing our system of gov't to proportional representation.
GeneralPigly
What's laughable is when one political party accuses the other of this. In reality, they both tend to do it when given the opportunity to.
CigaretteMan
Not true. The Dems could've maintained House control in 2010 had they "optimized" their own states, and they didn't do it.
brownribbon
Gerrymandering is only illegal if done with a racial bias. Political gerrymandering is perfectly legal.
rando84
Perfectly legal doesn't make it any less embarrassing. SCOTUS never ruled out banning it, they just didn't had no manageable way of doing so
canttouchthisunlessyousayplease
I-L-L!
tacoking1992
I-N-I
amop
partisan gerrymandering is not illegal
HoldMyWater
Yeah, the pic in #1 is a good example of the 2nd example in #2. It's a good thing.
iswearimnotghetto
I-L-L! Didn't even know this was going on here.
qtrlifecrisis
I-N-I!
yikesaroni
if the supreme court put an end to gerrymandering, Democrats would benefit the most, which means this conservative court won't
ImgurCelebrity
Really patting the dems on the back without knowing what's going on right there.
bigger66
the court hasn't been conservative for awhile. do you think overfall (sp?) would have happenned in a conservative court?
EroticZombiePants
We are 1 death of a REALLY old person away from a Conservative Court. Ginsberg is 84. Breyer is 78. Swing vote Kennedy is 80.
bigger66
God willing, yes. But conservatives die too :p.
EroticZombiePants
Yeah but those conservatives will be replaced by another conservative keeping the totals the same ala Scalia being replaced by the 'noob'.
carlosmencianumberone
Kennedy, a conservative judge, has expressed a willingness to find a solution to Gerrymandering.
RisingPhoenix92
Kennedy has been a moderate I thought, at least I heard lawyers argue to him since he is usually that fifth vote on a decision.
asm80dfa8sdfj
The obvious way seems to be to remove representation and just accept individual votes.
Thisisntevenmyfinalformexclamationpoint
You don't realize how much Dems gerrymander. They constantly try to sequester minority voting blocks under the guise of "making their vote
yikesaroni
you already knew that i didn't say "democrats dont gerrymander", but you went ahead and posted the obvious. we'd get more seats overall
IProvideFakeContext
This just in, every political party attempts to gain more leverage and power when they have the chance. More at 11.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Gerrymandering give dems 1+ seat in 13 states and republicans 1+ seat in 24 states
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
https://www.quora.com/Who-benefits-more-from-gerrymandering-in-America-at-the-US-Congressional-level-Republicans-or-Democrats
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
http://www.redistrictingmajorityproject.com/
Thisisntevenmyfinalformexclamationpoint
Count" if you think it's only republicans you'll be in for a big surprise.
HoldMyWater
But that's a good thing. #2 in this picture.
yikesaroni
they unfortunately have to look for minority blocs precisely BECAUSE the GOP leaves them out, they only want affluent christian whites
Thisisntevenmyfinalformexclamationpoint
You seriously think Rs only want affluent Christian whites? Do you realize they would lose every election if that were so? Use your brain.
yikesaroni
they want affluent because of the taxes paid:welfare ratio. they want christian due to political theism. not above lying to the poor though
Thisisntevenmyfinalformexclamationpoint
They want R votes. They don't care who they come from.
Dahliaisahedgehog
Which U of I school?
NatureGreen
Considering it's engineering, most likely to be urbana champaign
Dahliaisahedgehog
Oh true that. Good catch
Whatareusernamesusedfor
it is Champaign. Blue Waters is located across the street from Assembly Hall parking lot. http://www.ncsa.illinois.edu/enabling/bluewaters
Dahliaisahedgehog
Ah and that's why I wouldn't know. Rarely ventured over there
elethomel
theres not a whole lot over there besides research park buildings & student slum apartments subject to champaign's exploitative tenancy laws
sprbwlshuffler
If you turn that district 90 degrees clockwise, it looks like a musical note. Which is appropriate seeing as we're all being played.
Wolfmanwolf
this deserves more comments
Wolfmanwolf
and upvotes
piggystylez
in the 'perfect' distribution shown, what you wind up with is five extremist legislators, since those districts will never 'swing'
TadhgMH
In the sense that 30 people voted blue and won 3 seats etc. The number of seats should represent the number of votes.
piggystylez
this is a problem in the current congress; legislators in heavily partisan districts never need compromise because they face no opposition
piggystylez
i.e. the Freedom Caucus
darxide
Without pointing fingers one way or the other, do some research into which party does this most often. In fact, almost exclusively.
Alafox
It doesn't matter, it's a flaw in an out of date system which could be easily rectified. It shouldn't be a variable.
darxide
Problem is, the people who rigged the system are the ones now making the laws. It makes it much harder to change things.
darxide
And then consider how you vote in the future based on that dishonesty.
Tomadzo
I can't because one party says I have to have a specific ID to vote
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Ladies and Gentlemen, the GOP proudly presents their gerrymandering website: http://www.redistrictingmajorityproject.com/
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
"Republicans enjoy a 33-seat margin in the U.S. House seated yesterday in the 113th Congress, having endured Democratic successes atop the /
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
ticket and over one million more votes cast for Democratic House candidates than Republicans."
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Tbh the dems do it too but not as much/often and with an eye towards giving minorities their own districts
browsib
#2 is exactly how UK General elections work
likeimfromcorklike
This is exactly what Britain did in Northern Ireland after partition.
SidneyHarbor
CGPGrey did a video about how the UKs last election was the least representative ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9rGX91rq5I
HoldMyWater
But that's not so much due to districts as it is due to FPTP. Separate issue.
OhLenny
UK is done purely on population numbers and political subdivisions, all the politics is completely removed from it.
vanbarbee
A lot easier to draw a district around a distinct community when the limit is ~70,000 though, as opposed to ~700,000 for our Congress.
flaccidhope
Why are you getting downvoted? Boundaries are drawn by independently: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_commissions_(United_Kingdom)
Fleecemaster
Because it doesn't fit with the story he wants to portray
PGTipsMonkeh
Would make sense seeing as theres about 30 in London and about 10 in all of Scotland
OhLenny
Yeah, although Wales is an odd one, 40 seats is too many for such a small population
PGTipsMonkeh
True but you take that away from Wales, and they'd be a fuckin uproar
OhLenny
Plan was to cut it by 10 to 30 in the cut from 650 to 600, wasn't really publisiced enough before it was canned to create much of a stir
JohnMagneTrane
How often are they changed? Each election or like 20 years?
carlosmencianumberone
Every 10 years
OhLenny
Constituencies are adjusted after every census (every ten years in a year ending in 1), with occaisional major changes
HoldMyWater
In Canada modifications happen after the census (every couple years) so districts match populations.
march1studios
I believe districting is also done by Elections Canada, which is supposed to be a non-biased entity.
HoldMyWater
Yup. They're overseen by a judge when redistricting, they have strict guidelines for "fairness", and they consult the public all the time.
browsib
Whenever the government wants to. The conservatives plan on reducing seats from 650 to 500, undoubtedly moving boundaries to benefit them.
browsib
It's rare for constituency boundaries to be changed though, whether because of tradition or because of the hassle it'd cause
Dandolo
The new boundaries won't be perfect, but they'll be closer to reality. That's what matters, not any imaginary benefit to a particular party.
OhLenny
Yes and no - Gov has no say for minor changes based on census pop. Changes, big 650 to 600 change is gov based and canned by coalition prev.
flaccidhope
Boundary revisions are meant to be regular (8-12 years)to account for pop. Gov't has said to cut 50 seats but can't draw boundaries US style
OhLenny
Also all boundary changes are by the completely Electoral commission, gov gets 0 say on shape of new boundaries, unlike USA where state...1
OhLenny
Govs often run electoral commissions, bringing partisan politics into the mix
rocketturttle
purely from an outside perspective, how the fuck do you get anything done w a committee of 500?
JohnMagneTrane
I read one theorist stating that however big a body is, it always ends up with 12-20 people actually deciding stuff.
animalsexiscool
Fair fight districts like we have here in Washington work pretty well, its based on geographic identity, population and compactness.
DeckhandAdmiral
I trust anything political coming from Illinois. They've never had any issues politically.
chicago2121
Yah. Its called the windy city only because of the weather. Not a political metaphor.
DeckhandAdmiral
Uh... yes. But both definitions now apply.
Leithoa
Vote early, vote often
RepostSadistic
Vote till you die. Vote after you die.
DeckhandAdmiral
In chicago, the voting never stops.
Leithoa
Most importantly, Vote Daley
PollitoToneTone
Lmao you catch on quick buddy but you lost
Bizarkly
Savage.
ladybird2223
As an Illinoisian, I had to laugh. And cry. Both. At the same time. Oh Illinois...
somethinbetter
https://i.imgur.com/SaoMb
ClassyTavi
at least you're not Mississippi
LordNoodles
How bad are taxes and corruption in Mississippi?
ClassyTavi
well our congressman was one of the geniuses who proposed we remove the EPA entirely... so there's that
DeckhandAdmiral
More of... its just a general shit hole that could be nice. You know what, hgtv could do Fixer Upper the State: Mississippi.
ClassyTavi
Yeah as far as states go it's usually either Mississippi or Alabama competing for the title of "worst at everything"
KeyLimeAnxiety
Also as an Illinoisan, it's "Illinoisan"
ladybird2223
Crap. That was a complete typo. I've always spelled it Illinoisan too. Not sure where that extra "i" came from.
TEEDOG16
I've never really knew we were called that since I always end up telling people I'm from Chicago
KeyLimeAnxiety
Yep I am also "from Chicago" lol
Poopenshower
As a southern illinoisan, my vote will never count. I laugh and then cry about my taxes.
LordNoodles
Yeah who cares about gerrymandering when our voices were never cared about anyway? (Southern Illinois here too)
professorberrynibble
It has been bad, but hardly unique unfortunately. https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ranking-the-states-from-most-to-least-corrupt/
Casswigirl11
Illinois is up there in corruption according to your link.
professorberrynibble
I never said it wasn't?
darkknight447
Interesting read
caraaa
Interesting read, I wonder if the level of corruption in CA and NY are due to the level of business they have.
KSVagrant
Is imagine so in NY considering its the world's banking capital, but corruption in CA is rather low when you look at it proportionally.
KSVagrant
Also worth noting is that WA is currently in the midst of a tech boom, but is one of the least corrupt states...
LordNoodles
Just wait
KSVagrant
Different industries are more susceptible to corruption maybe?
fencerman
You don't need a supercomputer, you need a process that isn't in the control of the existing ruling parties.
HatsfordaEmprah
This just in, supercomputer found murdered, empty coke can at scene of crime.
karimonsterbitches
As a Texan, I would gofundme the shit out of this super computer. Fuck Gerrymandering.
OverpricedCrayon
I dont even think you need to be from Texas to want to say fuck gerrymandering.
MasterLagger
I think we need to close off our 1 man districts first.
carlosmencianumberone
I think they're getting invests from larger donors than gofundme has to offer
OwlOwlOwlIt
Hmm? Ooooh, blue Texan. Frustrated that your cities vote blue but your state overall votes red?
march1studios
I'd be interested to see what district maps look like in comparison between current and proposed generated maps.
TheDrunkenWrench
If this ends up like the neural networl that's learning to cook this is gonna be hilariously bad.
ShiningRayde
It's just a circle around Skynet as 'District ∞'
TigerThong
id love to see the electoral outcome. dems will still be out maned as they congregate in cities but still it'd be fairer than current state
march1studios
Technically that shouldn't matter - you should have more districts in higher density areas, and less districts in low populated areas.
breothskin
Check out range voting project. - http://rangevoting.org/ interesting other take on this issue to help produce more representative results
gremfrankenfrolek
*raises eyebrow skeptically* and half way down the page here is the first caveat... Boo! More research is needed.
CodeOptimist
Hey! Someone actually mentioned this statistically-provable best known (and very easy) voting system! There's hope for humanity yet.
march1studios
This is ridiculously complicated in an already complicated system. Ranked ballots would be a simpler approach.
carlosmencianumberone
I'm guessing the computer wont generate a number of the current maps
SuperRockinMrMagic
It will if you feed it different optimization parameters and make it focus of fucking with the system
IHaveAllTheKoalafications
An engineer has alreadyy done a rendition of this based on compactness bdistricting.com/2010
CodeOptimist
Nice. Someone already mentioned this. +1 ????
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blairmichod
Could you use a URL shortener such as bitly? Or is that not applicable to this scenario?
Counterfit
WaPo links are imgur and Twitter kryptonite
retsaoter
Or we could use Single Transferable Vote. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI
HoldMyWater
STV still uses districts. It fixes a different problem (proportionality).
ImgurCelebrity
STV can also be combined with district to simplify ballots or ensure some REGIONAL proportionality, but not necessarily.
ImgurCelebrity
A proportional vote obviates districts because are both are methods that are meant to achieve proportionality.
HoldMyWater
It's separate. Districts in STV still need to be drawn fairly.
ImgurCelebrity
Can you explain what role districts play in STV?
HoldMyWater
STV is has districts. They're usually bigger than in FPTP because they're multi-winner districts. But they're still districts. Look up STV.
ImgurCelebrity
I believe you are confusing STV with various implementations of prop voting that use STV as a component. STV does not involve districts.
ImgurCelebrity
Or, put differently, it involves only a single district. Some countries have several parallel STV elections in multiple districts.
HoldMyWater
No, STV has districts. They're bigger and multi-winner, but they're still districts and thus must be drawn fairly.
carlosmencianumberone
easier to fix the current system then change completely
ImgurCelebrity
Define "fix" though. I'd much rather obviate a problem than wrestle it
retsaoter
Redrawing the lines is still gerrymandering. No matter how hightech the lines will be unfair to someone. STV actually fixes the issue.
HoldMyWater
No it doesn't. It only fixes proportionality.
papperslappen
But STV does not fix gerrymandering. Multi seat constituencies and/or proportional compensating mandate does.
IHopeThisNeverMatters
The VRA mandates minority majority districts. Any simplification like this one that doesn't take VRA compliance into account is incomplete.
SnxLorde
The VRA says that you can't draw lines to dilute minority voting power. Minority majority is how some states handle that, but not required.
ImgurCelebrity
Could you explain the concept of "minority majority" district?
IHopeThisNeverMatters
District where > 50% of the voters are of a certain minority. The idea being if 1/3 of the state is Hispanic, then...
IHopeThisNeverMatters
1/3 of the districts should be majority Hispanic, or close to it. IANAL though and it is more complex.
ImgurCelebrity
I get it. I still see numerous problems. One, it still requires that a political body decides which stats are important for ratio, eg. race
ImgurCelebrity
Two, it doesn't address how big that majority should be. Does it mean that you can make 3 districts with just barely 51% hispanics?
ImgurCelebrity
That would lower the bar for a party to overcome and supposed block-voting that minority population would do. Only need to flip 1% of them.
IHopeThisNeverMatters
It's the law and I doubt it gets superseded any time soon. As long as it is the law, ignoring it in these things is a waste of time.
ImgurCelebrity
Okay, but that's an argument for "you're probably not going to change this". I want to talk, "how should we change this".
IHopeThisNeverMatters
Also, there are cases about packing and stacking regarding just the percentages you mention. Lots of court history there.
ImgurCelebrity
The percentage is part of a question, not an assertion about something that actually happened.
snotrocketscience
I think the point of that district was so they could win one seat instead of losing two.
InternetLawyer
Nope, Both the earmuff district and the district inside it vote for democrats. They win both districts regardless.
vanbarbee
Nope. You gotta go west of the road connecting the earmuffs to find a pro-GOP majority. Its Chicago afterall.
bitemark
Yah from what I saw on John Oliver the "earmuff" district works in their favour.
hitlershairydick
So does that make it less illegal?
bitemark
From the John Oliver video (you really should watch it), I think it depends on the state? Here it was legal and beneficial to the community.
CyborgScribe
No. But JO is hella liberal so he's OK with it, despite it being a racially motivated redrawning. And look, I'm liberal too but...
CyborgScribe
...you can't just complain when the other party does it.
AnatomicalMouse
The two ear muffs represent two hispanic neighborhoods, and the middle is am African American neighborhood. Democrats would win the seat 1/
AnatomicalMouse
Either way in all likely hood, but districts were drawn to represent the communities themselves, rather than sections on a map 2/
LurkerOfDarkness
True, but it is just reinforcing the deep "race" divide that plagues the US. Better to just ignore ethnic backgrounds when drawing.
AnatomicalMouse
But in instances where more effective representation can be based on racial groupings, it should be considered. It's too complex an issue
buckeyes995
They can't because the VRA requires majority-minority districts
vanbarbee
Its not race, its ethnicity and background. Blacks and Latinos generally have different backgrounds and experiences than one another.
LurkerOfDarkness
Hence the " ". But that does not mean they need to have different people representing them, that's just reinforcing the divide.
Nubsva
Isn't that district you consider to be an example of a "bad" district hailed as one of the best ones in reality?
LordNoodles
But why is that?
IHateOrange
tl;dr - the two communities in both earmuffs are demographically similar, and sharing a representative helps them meet their needs.
BeatsBearsBattlestarGallactica
It creates a strong voice for two hispanic communities so they're actually listened to instead of melted into separate districts.
LordNoodles
It's one community, that's why there's the weird shape
Nubsva
The two sides are two latino neighbourhoods I believe, and the one in the middle is african american. This way both communities get 1/2
NotIrony
Because humans don't live in conveniently sized boxes.
IHaveAllTheKoalafications
It's designed to ensure those Latino districts can get a Latino rep who theoretically will better represent them
bustosoon
That's ridiculous
Shohanna
Seems like it was designed to keep them from being represented fairly. but that's JMO.
IHaveAllTheKoalafications
Which they are you referring to in this instance?
Nubsva
representation. If drawn otherwise one community might be left without. Both also vote Democrat, so that isn't the reason for split. 2/2
LordNoodles
So why not one large district
vanbarbee
Congressional districts have to have roughly 700k people in them, unless the state is not big enough to afford the additional district.
Skyhawk320
Districts are divided by population. That many people have to have two districts.
koboldesq
because then there would be zero hispanic reps.
Nubsva
...because then one community would be left without a representative?
LordNoodles
Could a representative not represent both politically?
sleazypeezy
Preach it!
CyborgScribe
Only by politicians and district drawers (whatever we call those) because it makes a district balanced heavily to favor one race.
CyborgScribe
Now obviously this does help someone. The community in the district. But it's still drawn to be self serving and unbalanced.
BavarianGuy
Why don't you just get your shit together and do it like every sophisticated democracy everywhere and use fractions. So vote in the whole
BavarianGuy
state, then rep gets 40% dem get 40% green gets 10% and lib 10% of the votes. in a state with 20 seats to distribute dem and rep get 8 each
BavarianGuy
and green and lib get 2 each. And in this group the registered voters for the party vote the sequence of the candidates. You're welcome...
ArcaneConjecture
Who gets to decide who qualifies as a Rep or Dem? Who decides WHICH Rep or Dem gets the seat?
BavarianGuy
The same way it is done during the president votes, you can register as dem or rep or lib etc? Or do you have a buttload of independent?
hobotopia
That would be wildly complicated in a large state like cali. You would be asking a person to pick their top 40 liberal representatives
carlosmencianumberone
I dunno, it is a pretty bogus way of making it contiguous
FabulouslyDapper1700sGentleman
That district is a very closely demographically related district. It may look weird, but its the same community.
Wuz314159
It really is a Catch 22.... There is no one good way there. Each has flaws.
CyborgScribe
That's a weak argument. It's just two seperate hispanic communities someone connected with a little line. It's not "the same community...
MasterLagger
That's assuming the separated areas don't interact because of the physical divide. They aren't across the world, they're across a road.
CyborgScribe
..." at all except for on a district map. North side and south side are not the same group even if they have the same skin tone if half...
CyborgScribe
...a damn city seperates them.
PassionateIndifference
Depends on who your asking, technically is combines two seperate haspanic districts that wouldn't get a voice otherwise but at the same P1
techdawg2013
The goal is to create a few districts that are heavily favored by your political rival to win thereby diluting their influence
techdawg2013
...in many more districts that you are now favored only slightly but comfortably to win.
qualal
Or have preferential voting where winning parties often have to take on some of the policies of closest losing rivals to be most competitive
NotWittyEnough
What if we made a camps out in the middle of nowhere then moved a minority there, say the Japanese. Would that be a good idea?
PassionateIndifference
I think you may of misconstrued what i was saying, i wasant advocating for either side. Just that the issue is a bit more nuanced
PassionateIndifference
time you have to ask if modifying districts to give a group that otherwise wouldn't get a rep, is still democratic dipite good intentions
Nubsva
That is what redistricting should be about, making sure everyone gets a voice.
Derpbeard
I'm kind of conflicted at this because people not having a say in things is bad but adjusting things so a low population gets an equal say--
Derpbeard
Seems wrong as well as more people with the same opinion should naturally have more say shouldn't they? Having 20% of the population---
schrodingersgoldfish
But the amount of voice you get changes based on the districting. Should scientologists get their own district?
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
Are you implying voiceless hispanics are in any way similar to Scientologists?
InternetLawyer
use a population group that makes up somewhere in the .01 to .05% percent of population range?
litelbrown
That's why we have bicameral legislature.
MisterJellyBean
Religion should not factor a single iota in providing a sect of people a voice, it's a political voice, and while religious belief does 1/2
InternetLawyer
Could you try that with a group that makes up as large of a portion of the population as hispanics? or does it only work when when you 1/2