America

Jun 16, 2022 7:22 PM

candiedyms

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Funny how he qualifies his vet status with 'US,' not just 'vet.' It doesn't equate to 'Global,' my dude. Canada's just being nice as usual.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It's always kind of odd for me to see vets in their 20s and 30s. The only people considered veterans here in Finland fought in the 1940s.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

As a vet I’ve never. That’s embarrassing.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I'm a vet and have never asked for a vet's discount or used vet parking.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

"I murdered civilians so the rich in my country could get more oil, why isn't your country giving me a discount?!"

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

most of the yanks I've met were okay. some were clueless but most of them were okay.

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

My friend was wounded, not in combat but just while she was enlisted, and they determined she qualified for disability benefits. She didn't>

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Whoever's giving her shit, she should stop being around those people. Or, you could go fuck 'em up ?

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

One of them was her VA Dr! The injury happened overseas, the doc there just filled out that papers for her and she turned them in, then had>

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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saw this on twitter earlier and giggled a lot, seeing it again here made me giggle even more.

4 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

Once flew into Scotland. I was the only one in the none British nationals line. Locals were up in arms.

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Being a vet is country specific. Some countries require service from almost everyone, is everyone a vet?

4 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Yes absolutely

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Really? My whopping 6 months as a conscript during my mandatory military service makes me a veteran? O_o

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Let me expand: a vet from a different country that should be entitled to some sort of discount?

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Is that country an ally? I think at least any of the Five Eyes should get discounts in the States.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Sure, what else would they be?

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Let me expand: a vet from a different country that should be entitled to some sort of discount?

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

If you are giving discounts to veterans, why would you limit that to your own country?

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not a vet.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4

So to you a veteran is someone who joins the military voluntarily? Because that is not how other people use the word.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

As a retired U.S. Marine, a veteran is a veteran. Doesn't matter which country you fought for

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

Linguistically you are, by definition, a veteran. It gets a bit confusing bc. the "concept" of a veteran differs. Ours fought in the 1940s.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

We technically have a distinction between combat veteran and (regular) veteran, but in the end, if you served you're a "veteran"

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

If you expect to get a discount in another country then you are an entitled idiot

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I think vets would be treated the same among all the allied countries. Brothers in arms and all that. Its not as if other countries 1/2

4 years ago | Likes 51 Dislikes 25

They are, yes

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 4

'Vets discount' is not a thing in the UK AFAIK. Folks keep quiet about stuff.

4 years ago | Likes 35 Dislikes 2

There is indeed a armed forces discount card in the UK

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There are some armed forces discounts. But not to the same level as America.

4 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

That was my thought, I could not imagine denying a vet from any allied country.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It's not even a consideration in Australia, people wouldn't even understand what you were asking.

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

So... no discount then? Because that's a uniquely American military-worship thing?

4 years ago | Likes 62 Dislikes 10

Probably like a North Korea thing too tho, not just US

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Canada has a ton of military discounts at various places, they just tend not to actively advertise them.

4 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Don't fight side by side against a common enemy.

4 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 9

No you pay taxes American are not special

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

But treated the same way according to who's standards? Culturally speaking that might be a bit tricky.

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Can confirm, was in NATO for 4 years, NATO partners loved doing exercises in the states for the discounts

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

Sure you were in NATO for 4 years, so dont mind saying what year/s did NATO partners do exercises in the states for an uninformed person?

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

As a barely informed person, NATO nations do training exercises fairly regularly in Canada and the US. Varied biomes and lots of empty land.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yeah no years active just if there is a joint exercises. Could bebin the US, could be Canada, Germany, Italy...anywhere really

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NATO_exercises So again please do tell the particular year/s where exercises were held in US

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You realize US-soldiers are the enemies in a lot of countries, right?

4 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 13

Hence the allied countries part...

4 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 2

Reading is hard

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Allies like... which exactly?

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 14

and definitely Australia who we are now sharing nuclear submarine secrets with.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Like nato nations?

4 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

I understand that, from the US-point of view, one can forget some wars, but from the pov of the attacked countries... meh

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 7

So like, Britain but not like 1775 Britain? And France but not 1798 France? And Germany but not 1939 Germany?

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 8

Veterinarians discounts are global.

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Many countries partner their military discount programs with eachother.

4 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

My dad got Vet discounts in the US. He was in the CDN military.

4 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

That's the point of a CDN, everyone gets equal quality service regardless of their location.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The veteran discount thing could just be up to the business owner I suppose.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Canadian businesses will usually extend military discounts to Americans for one of three reasons: 1) it’s a friendly gesture, 1/2

4 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 0

2) it’s corporate policy, often thanks to the American head office/parent company, or 3) they’re sick of dealing with tantrums 2/2

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Now I'm imagining a doctor who takes care of animals, who also served in the military, who also went to a different country.

4 years ago | Likes 32 Dislikes 0

Animals deserve the same care everywhere. Now that’s a vet’s discount I could get behind.

4 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

A veteran veterinarian abroad

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm a vet and I don't even ask for a discount in America... No one owes me shit.

4 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Oh so I don't need to give you your 20$?

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

We don't really have veteran discounts here in Australia, it's a concession card thing, so disability, students and DVA cards.

4 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Ye. Spoke to a few that pull out their DVA cards and we might have a chat. Some of the stories they can tell are worth listening to.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yep, exactly. And people don't go around talking about being in the military either. It's not a point of pride.

4 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

I once saw an American woman in a shop in England arguing that as she was not a UK resident, she was exempt from paying tax on her purchase.

4 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

You used to be able claim VAT back but it ended in 2021.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So this is at Vancouver International Airport and the thing to understand is there is US border & customs pre clearance there so the sign /1

4 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 1

May be directing passengers who have come off international flights and are transferring to a US-bound flight to the US border. That way /2

4 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

They don’t have to enter Canada to transit the airport.

4 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

That doesn't make sense, though. If they go to the US customs facility, to go through American CBP screening, then they would not group 1/2

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"US" passports with "foreign" ones. They'd group Canadians with international ones, and have a separate line for American passports. 2/3

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This option is also only possible with a handful of select airlines, so they wouldn't be directing all passengers through that process. 3/4

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

When in Canada, hotel clerk asked me if I was veteran and I absentmindedly said "no but I'm federal government", then realized what country

4 years ago | Likes 71 Dislikes 1

I was in, so I amended, "oh, in the United States. I work for NASA. Sorry. Long drive." and I got the government discount anyways.

4 years ago | Likes 82 Dislikes 1

Government discount? I wish we had that here too. I might get fired for receiving a discount that is not accessible to everyone.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Shoulda told them you worked with the Canadarm team :P

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

NASA you say? Well hello... how you doin? Rocket propulsion test engineer here. Maybe we can exchange... talents and knowledge?

4 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

Seriously? I love math, am even mathematician! Haven't integrated in years though.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yeah! Working on rockets in Cali :) Mathematician, are you in R&D, then?

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Nah, I was actually aiming for ISS flight controller but ended up managing computer systems for ocio (formerly ird) instead.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

4 years ago | Likes 207 Dislikes 12

Even more relevant now

2 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ha! I want to see the Mexican version of this

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Stand fast Canada, stand fast!

4 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 2

Sadly the crazies are in the north as well, just not as many of them. We even have pro-Trumpers up here, which is weird.

4 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Oh God you're infected too! I'm sorry!

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Yeah, I've even seen 'make canada great again' red hats.....

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Look, I agree y'all are much better off, but you've also got plenty of your own problems.

4 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 2

America bashing is a long withstanding bandwagon people are happy to jump on

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

We get 6 months of winter, 4 months of mosquitos, and the planet treats us like the office puppy. Just let us have this.

4 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

What do you guys do for the other 2 months?

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well, in the spring is when the sap runneth so mostly we just sit around and drink maple syrup. And in the fall we play with our beavers.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

#buildthewall

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

My German friend gets a vet discount at the weed store......

4 years ago | Likes 190 Dislikes 3

Is it because he's a vet or because he's German?

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Veteran of a recent war or...

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Wait, we have weed stores in Germany now? O.o Where?

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

No he lives in the us.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Well I could see it possibly help with PTSD like things so..

4 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 0

He lives in rural Maine. I love that the shop is chill.

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

When I lived in the States I got a discount as a vet with ptsd. Wasn't much but it was appreciated. Now in Poland, no weed store.

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

as they should.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Yeah... In Argentina.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Why do I suddenly want to hang out w you?

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Bad choice. I'm just awful.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Dispensaries around me offer discounts to military, EMS, and fire.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Is that the opening line to a Lou Reed song...?....

4 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

Uuuugh ok ill ask...i dont get it...what do this have to do with lou reed?

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's just a poetic turn of phase....reminded me of Sweet Jane & his prose lyrics.........

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It’s the famous ‘Machen Sie einen Spaziergang auf der wilden Seite’ by David Hasselhoff

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You fuck off with that cunt, you hear?

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah ok. That’ll give me time to assess if your comment is uselessly extreme or extremely useless

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I don't know how true it is for today, but my Grandpa received discounts and free stuff while he was stationed in Germany in the 70s

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

yeah but wasn't germany like... cut in half in the 70s?

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I wish we had a higher character limit. my Grandpa received discounts and free stuff while stationed in Germany in the 70s. If that helps.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes. Is there a point to asking this? Did you want me to call it West Germany for the sake of accuracy or is this about the USSR? F140limit

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I am genuinely curious about why you brought this up.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

As am I. Imgur won't let me see which comment I was replying to.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I wish we had a higher character limit. Grandpa received discounts and free things while stationed in Germany in the 70s. If that helps?

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'd like to see an American soldier ask for a veterans discount in Vietnam. It's all relative.

4 years ago | Likes 1218 Dislikes 9

As a Vet I don't ask for any discount, anywhere, int eh world. Because it's not why I fucking joined.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Nevermind in Somalia.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

There's a great doco on youtube about Aussie (and one US) veterans with PTSD returning to Vietnam to confront their demons

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

4 years ago | Likes 49 Dislikes 5

Hey we were fight with the South Vietnamese Government.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

US and Vietnam have become pretty close since the normalization of relations.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You can until the sales person ask "ok sir, which war you fought?" then it's all "ehhhhh..."

4 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

"Oh you know... the last one."

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Or in the South

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Or imagine an ex Viet cong Vietnamese veteran asking for a veteran's discount here in the USA

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

WW2 veterans anywhere in Europe seems fair.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My employer does this - its pretty sad how "national" a global company can be and remain oblivious.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My dad fought in Vietnam in the marines. Then in 2021 he left his 3rd wife to marry a woman in Vietnam…I have no idea what’s going on

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Franchising.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Infiltrating the enemy's rank, of course.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

See my first guess was ‘long lost love affair he had when he was stationed there and everything in my life is a lie”. Unlikely I know

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I'd like to see a Vietnam soldier ask for a victor's discount in Murica. That's some entertainment

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

They only get Veteran's discount on Hilton hotels there

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm a vet & every time I traveled overseas (outside of an airport), I always say I'm Canadian.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 3

Omg dude same. I'm not trying to get blamed for US foreign policy.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

As I traveled for work, vacation or deployment, the loudest, arrogant people I met were Americans.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

When they asked me where I was from & I said Canadian, they usually said okay & left me alone.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

When I said "American", they always mentioned trump or guns, or how violent it is. Well, I know how it is, just leave me alone.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

I'm a veteran and I e never asked for a veteran's discount because I'm not an asshole

4 years ago | Likes 388 Dislikes 19

I'll take it from big businesses, like $500 on a new car or free luggage at the airport.

4 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

I've never asked for one, but I've had stores figure it out (haircut + USAA debit card) and offer it. It always felt weird to ask

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I ask at some restaurants and typically just give the discounted money as a tip. Also home depot and Lowes 10%

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

oh boy! Hell I hate telling people I'm a vet even but if I know they have one saving money is saving money.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I'm not a Vet, but I AM an asshole, so I insist I'm under twelve and demand my free chicky fingies.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

If the business advertises it, you're not an asshole for using it.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

No, but there are people who ask, and when you say no, they ask for a manager to make one up for them. One told me to phone my manager.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Same. I live in a town with a several bases so nearly every place has one and I’ll take one if offered by the cashier, but I’ve never asked.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Username checks out

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I ask only for large purchases at Home Depot. Other than that... to ask everywhere is just cringey.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ditto. I'm deeply uncomfortable with the idea of asking. Idky, just feels unfair to every other patron.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Thank you. My best friend agrees but his god damn wife is always like "excuse me do WE get a veterans discount."

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This! I took my VA home loan and that's it. I'm not trying to look cool and get 3 bucks off a burger because I did my job.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Most people don't. People just like to make shit up because it's free upvotes

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There's a Veteran's discount? Why has nobody told me? Do I need a card or something? Canadian vet here. What places have discounts?

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I mean, in the US we can have it put on our driver's license. also the VA (veterans affairs) card for vet healthcare.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Is vet healthcare not just for animals /s

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I mean lots of us are animals...

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I only will if it's something incredibly expensive.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm a teacher and I always ask for a teacher's discount because you never know

4 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 1

As you should ?? My weed store has a teacher discount, I'm not one but thank you for *your* service raising our kids.

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Teachers discount isn’t a thing. You’re just asking for a discount.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

I will only take a veteran's or AAA discount if they offer, because they're trying to hook me up.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

As a first responder, you absolutely never ask for the discount. Fair game if offered though.

4 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 1

“Driving the ambulance” as the ER Drs say is a little different than patrolling Route Irish.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 7

Driving the ambulance isn't the hard part, it's keeping the patient alive while getting to the ER. This shit pisses me off.

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Never said EMS was anything like combat. Just that it’s poor form to take advantage when not offered.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

So yes, as both a vet and former “first responder” I think a veteran of any war deserves a discount from a major retailer that can afford it

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

It's a good idea tho, you should have it. Just you know, not in a country you didn't actually serve and are not a citizen of.

4 years ago | Likes 51 Dislikes 6

We dont need or want special treatment, we are just people like everyone else.

4 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 2

You don't. Plenty of us recognize this as simple appreciation for our service to the nation. And we appreciate this. We don't expect it.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Question. Do you like when people say thank you for your service?

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I personally don't, it creates an awkward situation where i don't know how to respond. To me it was just a job, doesn't warrant a thanks.

4 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

To be honest it always feels like it's more for the person that said it than for me. It always feels forced and never genuine.

4 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

People don't know what you have been through, and to thank you for witnessing horrors makes me unsettled. Thanks for the honest reply

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

You're not getting a vet discount from the government. It's not like the US and Australia were on opposite sides.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

It was a job, I got paid and healthcare was great while in. What more do i deserve than a regular citizen?

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

It's not about deserving. Do you say, "I don't deserve to have the door held for me," when somebody does? It's a thank you.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I get it, but the door is a courtesy everyone gets. I didn't join the military for college money or benefits i joined because I..

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

was looking for a job and didn't want school. I learned a skill and nobody owes me anything..Well besides Tom that douche owes me 5k 4 real

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

As a vet, it feels awkward asking. Idk how to describe it. My friends/family think I'm nuts not to accept discounts, free stuff, etc...

4 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 0

I think you’re nuts, too. You deserve the respect and gratitude that these discounts represent. Seriously, from an old man who isn’t a vet.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

That's fair, but know, we WANT you to have discounts and free shit.

4 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

We want you to know that we never get free shit and the discounts aren't much if they exist and if you want to put yourself through asking

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Totally get you on that. It just feels weird to ask for a discount because of what you USED to do. Another thing that'll drive you nuts 1/2

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

is calling the VA, and getting thanked for your service constantly, even by the automated system. 2/2

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Ugh, I know. I'm sure I have marked in my file somewhere for then NOT to address me by my rank (long story). For some of us, it wasn't nice

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm trying to avoid the VA as much as possible. I've had friends die due to lack of care

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I think it's because once you're out you realize nobody actually cares about you and couldn't give a shit if you served or not 1/

4 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

And all the groups that say they want to help veterans actually give even less a shit about vets than everyone else 2/2

4 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

oof this home

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I want to help veterans, which is why I’m anti-war and want reform/more funding for the VA

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The thanks for your service always feels hollow,my family used to make a big deal about it when i was in, now im out, they dont bring it up.

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I feel the same like when people say it, it's almost like an "oh I'm so sorry" instead of a thank you

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0