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bitchachos
Would Google be chill enough to not be dicks? Maybe I'll switch to google fiber
Imthedude91
Well actua... *Sorry this comment could not be loaded due to your bandwidth allowance being used up*
ah0bbit
Isn't it repealing stuff from 2014? After all of these incidents occurred and were thwarted??
dj505
http://www.fcc.giv/general/live - you can watch the proceedings live here. Things aren't looking good folks
GadenKerensky
I only hope this doesn't fuck with us in Australia, but being that a lot of sites I use are American, I feel it will.
justadude41123
thats it folks Net Neutrally, Time of death 13:00 eastern standard time 14th December 2017
CallmeMefford
Gahtdammit. Quit it. There's a long path ahead. Did they win this battle? Yes. Have they won the war? No. Stay vigilant, vote, and carry on.
teknosapien
Everyone forgets the Netflix slow down
dakotaproutt5
The dates on this are completely wrong. This image is fake
jackattack3478
It's time for violence
CallmeMefford
Gahtdammit. Quit it. There's a long path ahead. Did they win this battle? Yes. Have they won the war? No. Stay vigilant, vote, and carry on.
Ididthisforthelol
Not like it fucking matters. These days they literally do whatever they want. Seems like they've literally stopped caring.
ScottishPower
Can a new internet service be brought up by Google or something? Like to get around Verizon etc?
JeezusJuice
The majors are worth way too much. It would ruin Google financially, assuming regulators didn’t block the purchase.
JeezusJuice
Pfff. I say this a day before Disney drops $55B on 20th Century FOX. Shows what I know about corporate purchases.
Eikre
Google already has an ISP called "Fiber." Expansion is a matter of laying wire and erecting towers. It takes a fucking while.
atrevelyan
Fiber expansion is dead. They are focusing on WiFi now.
animevil
And ISPs have blocked google fiber expansion in some areas.
ICouldGoForSomePie
Short answer, yes. Long answer, it costs billions to set up enough infrastructure to actually run an isp nationwide, so not easily feasible.
triplegay
OHH SAY CAN YOU SEEE
REDS1X
Right now I can't watch HD videos on t-mobile without paying extra. Even though I have unlimited internet plan and have fast enough DL speed
Bard2DBone
The day online console gaming died
dantesupertramp
We need to keep the momentum going. Congress can stand against this: http://act.freepress.net/sign/internet_fcc_overturn_rod
ziiphox
RIP Net neutrality. At least I'm Australian
Thekarmasatellite
The US and there bloody corrupt system! You're going to give the people in charge of my country's corrupt system ideas.
Cereaza
Verizon sued saying "The kind of regulations you guys are trying to impose on us... You need Title 2 to do that. You don't".
RangersApprentice
I like how your evidence for net neutrality shows exactly why we dont need it. The FCC stopped it before nwt neutrality...
JeezusJuice
It just passed. Hopefully litigation starts and keeps any real changes from occurring for now.
LanceD85
That’s the long version. The short version is “We’re boned.”
BigJake1029
chickentoothe
The biggest problem where I live is I have no access to other providers. One of the FCC's arguments was competition would keep ISPs 1
chickentoothe
Regulated. Just like the comment below, I couldn't switch to CenturyLink. So I'm screwed
PjJonez
Also spectrum is turning off internet service for those using "immoral" streaming services, such as kodi addons and streaming sites.
Snooj
As an employee of a major telecom company, I'm so happy to never see my workplace mentioned on any of these posts.
Kalthramis
These are good points but the shit people leave out is the FCC and FDC slapped it down every time. The FDC monitored and the FCC acted.
Kalthramis
Net neutrality needs to exist, but if today has taught us anything, it should NOT be solely in the hands of the FCC like it is now.
Kalthramis
The FDC use to work with the FCC, putting the power in two departments instead of one. It only takes one shithead atm to ruin it. Not good.
Kalthramis
I mean IMO they shouldnt have the power at all to do shit like net neutrality, but nor do i think one fucknugget should get all the power.
butdontcallmeshirley
Everything is gonna be fine- what part of trickle down internomics don't you understand?
theweakminded
I would be worried if the pro-NN crowd didnt defend their point with fearmongering and pre-NN settled cases
Arkkeri
Well, corporations won.
Birdperson5
Well , good luck
ComradeSillyOtter
We can still fight
PjJonez
I think everyone's gonna give up now that its repealed. With the way the world is, internet is a necessity. We need to keep fighting.
TheFlyingSheep
Keep protesting . Hope the lawsuits did something and threaten the current congress with votes this 2018. Republicans aren’t gonna he’ll tho
HistoricalContext
Maybe this battle, but the next phase of this war will be fought in court, and the odds are stacked against the FCC and corporations.
CallmeMefford
Gahtdammit. Quit it. There's a long bath ahead. Did they win this battle? Yes. Have they won the war? No. Stay vigilant, vote, and carry on.
SpanishInquisitioner
Did they really? Sauce?
ThePedro8161
The vote was at 10:30am ET just look it up.
Seandarkside
It’s all over the news, net neutrality is dead.
XaviersSnakeArm
Well it was great serving with you lads
tardis63
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/14/technology/net-neutrality-repeal-vote.html
HorsefaceBeeguy
May God help us all
BlurpyTheRabid
'Cuz nobody else will.
SpanishInquisitioner
Well fuck, it's time to bring out more cat memes, we shall end it like it began
lobstasalad9095
anybody really surprised?
FayeInMay
Me. I really thought that the mass of telephone calls etc. convinced at least 3 of them to vote for net neutrality...
zippydee
Ha. America is run by corporations, not it's people. The people are just profit
FayeInMay
:/
mksu
A good rule of thumb is to just ignore libertarians on economic issues. They generally have blind faith in the free market.
MountainYankee
9ne student I know is libertarian, and refuses to acknowledge anything bad about the repeal of net neutrality.
GadenKerensky
I'm pretty liberal, but I'd rather more regulations to keep things sustainable. Corporations are too predatory to be trustworthy.
diarrehaisland
It’s so true... and sad.
SuckAnElf
As a libertarian I hate this mentality so much in my party :/ I feel like more people are anarcho capitalists than actual libertarians
ImAPickleand911wasaninsidejob
and a +1 to you.
YoloSwag4ever
Sounds like you're not a libertarian
ImAPickleand911wasaninsidejob
I am the same way, and there is a spectrum of libertarian-ism as there used to be in the two major parties.
JeezusJuice
They fail to account for restrictions and costs to doing business. Even if the gov’t blocks a mono/oligopoly, who pays to run new lines to 1
JeezusJuice
Compete against existing companies? That’s a high cost that few can afford. Libertarians would have no govt subsidies to assist, so we end 2
JeezusJuice
in the same place perpetually. When you could have rules about how business is conducted and solve the problems far more simply.
VulcanP90
The "free market" is a myth. it doesn't exist. Not currently and not for a long time.
ThatDamnChickenAgain
Compared to a libertarian, Marxists are economic geniuses.
Bokse
Thats because Marx was right about literally everything.
ScruffyThePirate
Except predicting human nature
TheEightfoldPath
There is a golden middle ground you know? I'd have just as little faith in a marxist.
mksu
It's really high time we move away from economics as philosophy to economics as science. We need to embrace empiricism.
Bokse
I wonder how many of you people have ever bothered to read Capital.
mksu
No, but I spent 5 minutes learning about equilibrium curves, so I feel like I'm pretty qualified to educate people on economic issues.
TheEightfoldPath
Am I wrong in thinking economics has a lot of psychology in it? If so, empiricism isn't that reliable unfortunately.
mksu
It's a study of systems created by human behavior, so it's soft, but ideological economics is far softer still. It will keep improving.
StaalTheNotQuiteSoUndefeatedAnymoreButNevermind
I'm ignorant on this, and the wikipedia is a bit eh. How does this work economically?
Eikre
Do you mean to ask how we reform the study of economics, or what the empirical acceptance of historical data means we should actually do?
FragrantViolation
*Past performance is not an indicator of future results.
mksu
That just means you overlooked something important.
RCButler
More like, they have a very poor understanding of the specific conditions needed to give rise to the ideal "free market".
brassknucklenerd
And that, unlike systems that exist on a linear continuum from "completely unideal" to "completely ideal", landing somewhere short of >>
brassknucklenerd
<< a completely ideal free market doesn't land us somewhere "almost perfect". It lands us with critical things still broken that will >>
brassknucklenerd
<< fuck people's lives up. E.g. The "ideal" murder rate is zero. A murder rate of 2 per year is linearly imperfect, between zero murders >>
brassknucklenerd
<< and a shit ton. The "ideal" free market presents equal opportunity for everyone. A practical reality that falls short of that has >>
steineim
They believe the market will solve its own issues, but if the solution results in a labor union forming, that is communism.
cbale2000
The problem is ISPs aren't a free market, they have government-enabled local monopolies. Allow competition and NN becomes a non-issue.
IPostOffensiveShit
I'm pretty sure no government is mandating only one cable provider per area and no real competition besides fiber, yet here we are...
theweakminded
Look at the comment above yours and you will see a major reason govt does make monopolies. They make it impossible to compete
IPostOffensiveShit
And WHY exactly do the current regulations make it impossible to compete? Is it because you actually can get sued when you do illegal shit?
theweakminded
Government costs to run lines, permits to run lines, being unallowed to run lines. Are you incapable of reading more than 1 comment?
cbale2000
They are though, just look at the news a few years back when Google wanted to bring FIOS to some areas and were blocked by local governments
cbale2000
Because the governments had made deals with existing cable companies to keep out any competitors.
IPostOffensiveShit
That's definitely a problem if it is true (and i wouldn't be surprised if bribed played in that). You got any source?
johnvictor
I'm certain there were no dirty, backdoor dealings at all with that involved. Just total government incompetence, yup.
cbale2000
No I agree, there WERE backdoor deals... deals made between the ISPs and local governments. So make a law that fixes the ACTUAL problem.
ParagonFurytheLawgiver
You physically cannot compete with existing ISPs, because no town or city is going to let 3 fucking companies dig up their land for lines.
YoloSwag4ever
So the government is making monopolies is what you're saying.
cbale2000
There's only 4 mobile carriers that own national tower networks, yet somehow we still have more than 4 mobile carriers. Google MVNOs.
macthelost
Or just stop using shitty copper lines. Put in fibre lines and let any company use them. Not like you won’t have the width.
ImSorryFriend
That's basically how it is in Canada. Incumbents are required to rent bandwidth competitively to other ISPs.
magoslich
You have to pay to put in those lines and still have to deal with the cities. I work for a company that builds fiber networks.
macthelost
Where I live they just run fibre to every house
magoslich
Oftentimes you run into situations where Aerial fiber is not acceptable and the only underground routes you can use
ostris
Was this pro or anti net neutrality?
krapmyself
It's pro NN. The timeline shows that before NN was put into place, ISPs were starting to throttle, over charge, and fuck with the internet.
ostris
I guess I'm just confused cause this entire list was handled by pre 2014/15 net neutrality rules. And all these things were stopped
SnakeTaleJohnny
Shhh
ToyotaCelica
It's like legalising crimes. People will commit them because of no restrictions/no fear of punishment
abidikgubidik
Net neutrality rules were put in place in 2008 under Bush. ISP's sued FCC for enforcing it, Title II classification happened 1/2
abidikgubidik
under Obama to prevent the lawsuits and allow FCC to enforce net neutrality. It was originally a bipartisan effort 2/2
Arkkeri
And now they will not be stopped anymore.
ostris
Oh gotcha I thought it was only removing 2015 changes
PaintedSlate
Yeah, it also does things like bar states from creating or enforcing any rules.
theweakminded
huh... Weird that it wont be stopped anymore when they were all stopped prior to NN rules. Really strange
Arkkeri
But all of those were coz of government regulation, that current FCC is against. So they will not be stopped anymore. Good thing Im in europ
WiqidBritt
IIRC ISPs made a stink about how these things shouldn't have gone the way they did so the NN rules made it so the FCC had full authority to-
WiqidBritt
make these decisions, has to do with how the internet access is categorized. They want to go back to the FCC having a weaker say in things.
ostris
So the current NN stuff isn't just about removing title 2 but also many other provisions prior to 2015?
PaperCl1p
Nail on the head
Barbossa42
if there wasn't now a legal precedent that said they cannot enforce those rules anymore without the internet being title 2, you'd be right.
ostris
Interesting source on this?
Barbossa42
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Communications_Inc._v._FCC_(2014)
Barbossa42
check external links, has all the official stuff. basically it is the reason they were made title 2 in 2015, so they could keep enforcing.
muhvitus
Yeah, stpped after they were used. Isnt it better to deny them pre-emptively instead of chasing them individually after the fact?
ostris
Sure, I guess my point here was a better argument for NN would be ATT was doing something bad 2015 regulation stopped it type of example
muhvitus
The point is that in NN in force you cant pull that shit at all. Without NN there is room to maneuver and be like ’we thought this ok’