Even Germany voted for it. Togo wtf I expected better!

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The United Nations General Assembly on Friday overwhelmingly adopted a resolution declaring that Palestinians qualify for full-member status at the United Nations, a highly symbolic move that reflects growing global solidarity with Palestinians and is a rebuke to Israel and the United States.
The resolution was approved by a vote of 143 to 9 with 25 nations abstaining. The Assembly broke into a big applause after the vote. The United States voted no.

The resolution was prepared by the United Arab Emirates, the current chair of the U.N. Arab Group. The 193-member General Assembly took on the issue of Palestinian membership after the United States in April vetoed a resolution before the Security Council to recognize full membership for a Palestinian state. The majority of council members supported the move, but the United States said recognition of Palestinian statehood should be achieved through negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians.
Anger and frustration at the United States has been brewing for months among many senior U.N. officials and diplomats, including from allies such as France, for repeatedly blocking cease-fire resolutions at the Security Council and staunchly supporting Israel’s war with Hamas in Gaza, even as humanitarian suffering has mounted.
“The U.S. is resigned to having another bad day at the U.N.,” said Richard Gowan, an expert on the U.N. for the International Crisis Group, a conflict prevention organization. But he added that the resolution “gives the Palestinians a boost without creating a breakdown over whether they are or are not now U.N. members.”
The U.N. charter stipulates that the General Assembly can only grant full membership to a nation-state after the approval of the Security Council. Examples of that include the creation of the states of Israel and South Sudan. The resolution adopted on Friday explicitly states that the Palestinian issue is an exception and will not set precedent, language that was added during negotiations on the text when some countries expressed concern that Taiwan and Kosovo might follow a similar path to pursue statehood, diplomats said.

Edit. Wrong year voting data. This today's vote. Surprisingly hard to find. Canada and Australia still abstained. Togo didn't even participate. https://twitter.com/prem_thakker/status/1788954527393042717/photo/1

BishlamekGurpgork

Yeah, but is this just symbolic, or is there anything mechanical that happens as a result of this?

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KrisSommer

What the hell USA? When will we be the good guys again?

RadishIsAMeat

This is how misinformation is spread, you've used an image from a vote in 2017 to prove your point and 99% of people commenting have blindly followed it.

Zootsoot

So, is this going to make Bibi more
likely to make a deal, piss him of & bomb civilians more, or not make a single bit of difference?

CanadianCobraChicken

And my country abstained. Disgraceful Canada. Do better

DeadWhiteMale

United States voted wrong on that.

atinyviolin

I'm ashamed of Canada.

astronomypictures

veto time, veto veto! get your vetos here!

Kordj

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-11/australia-votes-yes-at-un-for-more-palestinian-rights/103833838

AnonMasterRace

Is it the US’ job to be against the majority on all UN votes or what?

pr3viso

When a sensible Israeli politician campaigned for a two-state solution a Zionist shot him dead at a rally.

DdCno1

When the next sensible Israeli leader agreed to a two-state solution, Arafat refused, because he feared 1) losing power, money and influence and 2) being killed by a Palestinian radical.

ralphie84

#2 12/21/2017?

Oh shit. Let me fix that.

Iamnotacreativeman

It's funny because Ukraine has been waiting to officially join the UN. I wonder if they'll have the same requirements as Ukraine or UN will just give them exemptions.

ImmaCatImmaSexyCat

Ukraine is in the UN. They're not in NATO, which is a totally different thing all together.

iananimated

Australia voted Yes, Austria abstained.

aswimmingseaman

Our country is such an international embarrassment

imgurimgurimgur1

And let's give them part of one of the big country's without democracy...Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen, Iraq...

witalaska4

THANK YOU!!! Because FUCK ISRAEL 🖕🇮🇱

whyowhyareallgoodusernamestaken

The UN

CrispsorChups

Shoulda done it years ago

DAKP

The Unites States voted against it? Why the H**L is my country always on the wrong side of shit! When I was a kid they always taught us that we (the USA) are the "good guys". Maybe sometimes we are, but all too often, we're not.

TanithRosenbaum

Look up the shit Henry Kissinger participated in, initiated or otherwise influenced, and when you're done with that look up the last 80 years of CIA history. Spoiler: you won't like what you'll read.

Because it's not about maintaining peace. It's about maintaining an empiral presence in the area, which (for them) means doing what Israel wants.

neithermenoryou

That's the neat thing about propaganda, it doesn't have to be true, it just has to sound good and be believable enough if you aren't looking too closely. The US is the villain in a lot of stories, particularly for poor countries or countries that dared to elect a left leaning leader, like El Salvador or Cuba.

keelindsey

US is too busy sucking Israel's nuts to say anything bad about them, much less oppose them in anything. Been that way for decades.

RooGryphon

welcome to reality. we are NOT the good guys. and if you got money we are your best friends

Colopty

You know how people who keep saying they're nice guys are typically the most psychopathic assholes you can find? Turns out that rule scales to countries.

Rovylern

Good. There's no fair reason they shouldn't be permitted but Israel is. "Their neighbours don't want them to!" So? That didn't matter when Israel was admitted. "They're radical and often resort to terrorism!" So? Israel does all the time. Their current head of National Security was convicted by an Israeli court of racial incitement and supporting a known violent terrorist group. "Many want Israel to not exist!" Israel has literally presented maps where Palestine and parts of Lebanon are Israel.

BaBaDuuk

Dont forget significant parts of Jordan too

METROlD

Actually, Germany is all about learning from their mistakes and not doing it again. I would have assumed them to be the first in line to vote for this. I am not even surprised. They take this shit very seriously, and theyre kids are super educated on it as well.

We are indeed, and yes, we make a point of teaching our kids what happened to prevent it from happening again. And I have to say I'm definitely very happy that we're doing this. There's even a word for the entire process: Erinnerungskultur, translated culture of remembrance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Remembrance

noSmuggler

You aren't doing it currently though. This years vote you abstained. OP used data from 2017.

THANK YOU. Ive mentioned this many times based on data points Ive picked up from podcasts that Ive heard but I didnt know the word. Yeah my (All German -> USA Immigrant) family survived that nightmare and escaped to America so when Americans think Germans are still of that mentality Im always like... um. No were not. In fact back in Germany they are better trained for it than most other places.

sherlockhooves

I mean... I want the Palestinian people to be safe and have support. But Hamas has to go.

VibratingNipples

I immediately looked for the US and wasn't shocked at all.

Nemacol

Nophere

As an American, I am not shocked at all, but I am still angered by it.

mikeatike

And guess which country on the Security Council will veto it?

AtmaDarkwolf

I looked up Canada and I WAS shocked. I am quite upset with ourselves that we didn't instantly vote green. WTF is this abstain bullshit.

DSREX

And we will likely veto any resolutions to finalize this.

duoplicity

Togo's foreign minister, Robert Dussey is a huge Israel fan and pushed Togo into being the biggest African fan of Israel and Netanyahu

Acmer77

US voted no too.

Yeah, but nobody is surprised, since it's mostly our fault this has happened. :(

khora

For here or Togo?

Well, he is a huge Dussey

Australian media is reporting we voted for it, not abstained

NothingPrince

This. Our guy was happy it went through

fformulaa

About time. At least something going forward. My stupid country abstained, bunch of wanks.

106

UN resolutions that don't have UN security council's blessing don't go any where. They are symbolic of world sentiment and, often not always, are on the right side of history.
My Canada also abstained, bunch of tabernaks.

GeorgeCostabaplaps

Fuckin' Embarrassing.

PenchBoy

Fucking Australia abstained too? Fuck we suck

Australia voted yes, ubermonkey confused them with Austria

We voted yes actually https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-11/australia-votes-yes-at-un-for-more-palestinian-rights/103833838

NKato

Abstentions usually mean "we don't necessarily support it, but we do not necessarily oppose the idea in principle". It's a politically safe neutral ground when you factor in domestic politics that is at play.

odigon

Fuck "politically safe neutral ground". Vote for whats right.

Correct.

dudehiemer

Remember kids: If you're in favor of Palestine being recognized as it's own country, and that it should be recognized by the UN, then you are supporting Russia's position. /s (Seriously though, while I'm in the fuck Hamas camp, I don't believe fucking Hamas should be at the expense of Palestinians at large. This is very long overdue.)

mithiwithi

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HitlerAteSugar

Hamas is also a direct consequence of Israel's policies over the past hundred years or so. They treat Palestinians like shit so that they lash out at Israel, and then use that as an excuse to tighten the screws ever further. Hamas as a group is incredibly valuable to the Zionists in justifying their oppression and ensuring they got voted into power again and again.

*Iran liked that*

Probably why bibi keeps putting gold in their coffers and keeps them going. What better way to create and control a reason your own propaganda

TinyBadger101

50 years, not 100. Not that it makes that much difference, it doesn't, but it is about 50 years. Israel didn't take over Gaza or the West Bank until a couple decades after it became a state. Also do recall that in 1994 there was the opportunity for a Palestinian state, and the PLO walked away from a deal that literally just needed their signature for it to be done. There are no good actors here.

European Zionists started being shitheads to the people in Palestine long before Israel was officially founded. They instigated violent confrontations as far back as 1929 with the Western Wall riots. And they have only ever escalated things from there. "It just needed a signature" is a lot to ask from people that had their ancestral homes destroyed by british and zionist invaders. It's like asking Ukraine to give up Crimea for peace, it's not a peaceful resolution for anyone but the oppressors.

There were conflicts but both sides stirred them up- the early European Jews immigrated and bought land legally. Israel today is minority European-descent; much as you might want to think of it as an extension of European colonialism, it really isn't. Jews make up about 75% of the population, with the remainder mostly Arab Muslims and Christians. Of the Jews, 45% are European descent and 55% African and Arab descent. Israel took in the nearly 1 million Jews kicked out of Arab Muslim countries.

They immigrated and bought land "legally" under foreign rule, sort of like how Russia straight up pays Russians to move into Crimea to use that as an excuse that there's a naturally high Russian population that needs "freeing". Even the plenty of Jewish people moved there illegally. Previous Russian occupiers have done the same in mainland Ukraine, while also enforcing that Ukrainian traditions, language, and customs are removed from school and public live as much as possible to turn it Russian

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