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What's Really Warming the World
Skeptics of man made climate change offer various natural causes to explain why the Earth has warmed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit since 1880. But can these account for the planet’s rising temperature? Scroll down to see show how much different factors, both natural and industrial, contribute to global warming, based on findings from NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
Is It the Earth's Orbit ?
The Earth wobbles on its axis, and its tilt and orbit change over many thousands of years, pushing the climate into and out of ice ages. Yet the influence of orbital changes on the planet’s temperature over 125 years has been negligible.
Is It the Sun?
The sun’s temperature varies over decades and centuries. These changes have had little effect on the Earth’s overall climate.
Is it Volcanoes?
The data suggest no. Human industry emits about 100 times more CO than volcanic activity, and eruptions release sulfate chemicals that can actually cool the atmosphere for a year or two.
Is it all Three of these things combines ?
If it were, then the response to natural factors should match the observed temperature. Adding the natural factors together just doesn’t add up.
So If It's Not Nature, Is it Deforestation?
Humans have cut, plowed, and paved more than half the Earth’s land surface. Dark forests are yielding to lighter patches, which reflect more sunlight—and have a slight cooling effect.
Or Ozone Pollution?
Natural ozone high in the atmosphere blocks harmful sunlight and cools things slightly. Closer to Earth, ozone is created by pollution and traps heat, making the climate a little bit hotter. What’s the overall effect? Not much.
Or Aerosol Pollution?
Some pollutants cool the atmosphere, like sulfate aerosols from coal-burning. These aerosols offset some of the warming. (Unfortunately, they also cause acid rain.)
No, It Really Is Greenhouse Gases
Atmospheric CO2 levels are 40 percent higher than they were in 1750. The green line shows the influence of greenhouse gas emissions. It's no contest.
See for Yourself
Greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere. Aerosols cool it a little bit. Ozone and land-use changes add and subtract a little. Together they match the observed temperature, particularly since 1950.
Compare and Contrast
Putting the possible natural and human causes of climate change alongside one another makes the dominant role of greenhouse gases even more plainly visible. The only real question is: What are we going to do about it?
But you can ignore all the information because it was cold out and he found snow so there's that.
sauce:
http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
pictureofthatoneguywhenpeoplegetupsetatsarcasticcomments
Your graphs are nice but your data set is inadequate.
wrekemrobbie
I think your scale is too small in comparison to the age of the earth.
Paleoman
Actually the biggest problem with human induced climate change is the timescale. It is changing much more rapidly than it has before.
NormalSightMan
We need cleaner energy alternatives. Try warming your house this winter with wood fire instead of gas. For added heat soak the logs in wood.
shugalugalugahah
nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/coolingthermosphere.html
ThePotatoBandit
I'm just still worried about that island sinking or flipping over
GBMaker
Every day that Inhofe is in Hell, the Devil will hand him a snowball and laugh.
HailSatinGodOfFabric
I am not sure charting things that are correlated along a different axis really proves it. Flush toilet sales would also be increasing....
kobb3
Pretty sure the axis are made to fit. What determine the maximum height in these examples? Co2 could also be scaled down to not make a diff.
ZombieJonSnow
MechazawaX82
I swear I expected the cause to be John Cena
SilentMic
Thank you! All those "is it...?" I just kept waiting for "IT'S JOHN CENAAAAAAA!!!"
UncivilizedEngie
For future viewers, here in the comments you can see conversations that shouldn't happen in 140 word segments.
ditchfork
Maybe we should all stop farting in greenhouses.
nickisbeast777
For how old the earth is...only going back to 1880 doesn't really seem like a real evaluation...
TylerD2022
I agree. I studied this stuff in grad school and this only fuels that it's a hoax given the mini-ice age from the early 1800s
Corsair212
Not to mention global temperature data only became semi-reliable in the 80's with satelites.
convolution
The number of downvotes = number of imgurians who live by TL;DR
Swaarley
seriously
SubtleOrc
Yeh my bad
monkeymessiah
As an Oklahoman, I apologize for our Rep.
catfish08
Whether or not global warming is a thing, what is so wrong about living healthier, less destructively, and more respectful to Earth? Fuck
Hellhammer86
This is my exact point to my friends when talking about climate change. +1
DeadSeaSalty
Global warming is a thing so don't use other tertiary arguments. It distracts from the real need to do something about it.
NoThisIsntPatrick
This. Yes.
wonder89
Mankind pollutes a lot,in many ways. Pollution is bad, in many ways. We gotta work on this problem. How's that?
Heath7Bar
It's bad...and wrong...It's...Badong!
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
Can't argue with that. I just don't want the gov't using CC as an excuse for a new form of taxation and control. There's got to be a way.
UncivilizedEngie
Influencing behavior in times like this is exactly what the government is supposed to do. Bad climate = no resources = no economy.
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
What we don't need is a carbon tax (or credit system) that is wide open to enron style corruption and that which will do nothing 4 climate.
UncivilizedEngie
True, and it also disproportionately effects the poor. Policy only works if the people want to follow it.
schrodingersasymmetric12gauge
140 characters is not enough to explain how stupid it is to start talking about global climate change with the year 1880.
Natrone81
You should probably soak the logs in wood. Just saying.
Tomadzo
Amen
salsadetomate
I have no idea what this means so apparently I'm stupider than 106 people here.
Blackd0nuts
Soak the logs, save the world
MartinQBlank
Pro tip!
Blackd0nuts
Just in case.
Mydogismybestman
Read the WHOLE THING, my fellow Imgurians! There's a twist worthy of M. Night Shyamalan!
lupusx
Mr Inhofe doesn't realize the y-axis is scaled as 2ºF, (meaning you can't prove any change by confirming snow).
KPopHeaux
Almost downvoted...but then I finished reading the post. +1
ucatione
In other words, a complete disappointment?
Gswizz
WOAH. Someone has not seen 'The Visit'
ucatione
Despite my better judgment, I might go watch that. Sounds intriguing.
ReptarCrunch
Wouldn't that imply that it starts out with promise then blasts diarrhea on our hopes and dreams? I think this is a bit opposite
guilhermedidi
M. Night Shmayalmyladingdong
lawrus
how clever
docweird
Nah, the real reason is obvious you liar!
As4mi
Nah, it's because of the decline of pirates.
WTT24
That opening picture doesn't do this post justice.
FirstDraftFinalDraft
I think that was the point. It gets arrogant non-believers into a tizzy so they actually read it instead of ignoring it like they want to.
nopiggie
I read this post only because of this comment. First I thought this is about how climate change is a hoax
YesYouJustLostTheGameAgain
Ditto!
Swaarley
I'll fix it.
jcarn
Got me real riled up when my gf showed that to me. I was just beginning my rant as she scrolled down
WTT24
Now my comment is going to look awfully odd, haha.
WallCrawlerArt
Hey, your comment seems really out of place because the picture does do it justice...
BenjaminButthorn
what was the picture?
GuildMasterJin
pshh no one will be able to tell
ariesmammen
That would be nice.
TheOffspring
Still isn't fixed.
Swaarley
Yeah it is. It was the album cover before.
morrissimo
AGW or not: humans are not going to radically alter their industrialization practices - especially in emerging economies
suido
[2] Same with energy, they can choose to not invest in expensive, centralized power plants and skip straight to decentralised renewables.
klloveall
That's just not true. And also, per capita, they're not the culprits.
OneSockTooMany
Especially with an attitude like yours.
suido
[4] End result: emerging economies being cleaner, greener and more efficient than the economies they are learning and adopting tech from.
HypersonicHarpist
and then there's China which uses anything it can gets its hands on to produce enough electricity for its population, green and not
suido
[1] Nope. Many emerging economies are 'leapfrogging' their technology choices. Like going direct to mobile phones and skipping the landlines
suido
[3] Renewables can cover baseload in many countries. Nor does it have to be 100% renewable, back up gas power can cover any shortfalls.
rgzdev
Backup gas plants? Really? Nuclear is the answer. People are so irrationally hysterical about it. What we really need is Fusion of course.
suido
[2] and waste disposal, all of which require careful handling to prevent radioactive contamination, for backup generators.
rgzdev
Agreed, but nuclear scales really well and --on average-- is cleaner/greener than gas.
suido
[3] or we could just use small gas burning turbines, using existing pipelines. Much cheaper, much less environmentally destructive.
rgzdev
But you are still picking up carbon from the ground and dumping it in the atmosphere. I do agree that moving from coal to gas is cheap tho.
suido
[1] Where I live, there is no nuclear industry. We would have to create an entire industry of mining, transportation, refining, storage...
rgzdev
the thing with nuclear is that the output is awesome, it be cheaper to extend the power lines than to build a gas plant near the city.
suido
Extending powerlines is one cost. All the rest of the mining/transporting/storage/power generation is huge costs and timeframes to complete.
suido
[4] fusion has been 10 years away for about 30 years. If it ever works, yay. Until then, renewables are the best real option.
rgzdev
The problems with wind and solar is that the output is bad AND you have to build a dam. But we should still keep researching Solar.
suido
When did dams become involved? There are more ways to store energy than hydro. Look up solar thermal - perfect storage for the evening peak
foucoult
I'm an environmentalist and shit but I have two points:1) Correlation does not show causation.(see internet explorer usage vs. suicide data)
tardis63
The graphs are all of temp vs. time using different models. The models aren't perfect, hence error bars, but the mechanism is understood.
chrismofer
here, a degree is a degree.
woopwooppulloverdatasstoofat
I think the idea is to counter the many people who say it's because of volcanic activity or astronomical reasons.
foucoult
2) Only green house graph shows significance. They measure it with carbon content of ice layers in arctic and methodology is controversial
foucoult
But don't get me wrong. I support using more renewable energy sources and lower fossil fuel consumption. But I also want truth !
Handsonyourhead
"You can't handle the truth!"
chrismofer
usage of a program and suicide cannot be in the same units. you have to scale the graphs relative to eachother to make it work.
kingmathers12
# of people using a program, # of people who commit suicide. Sounds like same units to me.
chrismofer
using a program is an ongoing activity. committing suicide is one time per person.
SpydaTek
The scientist have already established that climate change is real.
GuckFoogle
Scientists several thousand years ago established that the earth was flat and the entire sky orbits us.
HUGaBART
Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the Earth 2000 years ago. Definitely didn't think it was flat
aureolus
How does it feel knowing you are actually an idiot?
ItTickles
But we we're discussing man made global warming and no matter how many times Gore says so it hasn't been proven that man caused diddly poo.
SpydaTek
So, the majority of scientist are wrong?
GuckFoogle
They very well could be. A bunch of people agreeing that they're right doesn't make them right.
ahwhocares
No, but the vast, vast majority of experts working in the field agreeing shows that there's some pretty damn convincing evidence, no?
Rumpsonumpso
The majority of scientists are paid to proof this and not to look for other possibilities. Its an industry.
ahwhocares
Actually it's the big fossil fuel companies who have the most money and vested interest in this.
inkpod
Yes, and they're also paid to disprove each other while they compete for funding and notoriety, just like any other scientific field.
aureolus
How does it feel knowing you are actually an idiot?
Trickky
The climate changes every fucking day. Whether it's causes by humans, there is no reliable science, partly because they would be put ofa job
Trickky
Congrats on all you who don't have a grasp on "statistical sample size" and other basic facts about statistics.
TakWriterOfWorlds
"Climate changes every fucking day." You lost the argument right there.
Rayxor
you seem to have a very poor grasp of the subject.
inkpod
You don't understand science.
ahwhocares
What they said.
aureolus
How does it feel knowing you are actually an idiot?
ucatione
Perhaps, but catastrophic anthropogenic climate change is not.
ItTickles
when the temps appeared to be rising, they were also rising on Mars... no doubt because little green men were driving their SUV's around
squintish
Appeared?
ItTickles
yes
SherMattLockSmith
Simply google "Is mars warming?" and see all the evidence that proves mars is indeed not currently warming.
ItTickles
And neither is the Earth currently rising. They comment in the article about that being a coincidence.
Drshwing
Can you show me the data on that?
ItTickles
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
Drshwing
So one guy, with a un peer reviewed article, goes against a century's worth of scientists and you consider that a good enough reason to 2/2
ItTickles
no, that was just one article
Drshwing
Doubt man made climate change?
ItTickles
There you go. Congrats on not just being another sheeple
TakWriterOfWorlds
You didn't bother to read the second page of that article did you?
ItTickles
I did
JPre35
humans are 100% a contributor..but a graph that starts in 1880 shows nothing earth is billions of years old, 130 years is too insignificant
TallLightnHandsome
Also, I wonder where the temperature graph was created. If it's 'corrected' data, we need to know more about the corrections.
HeWhoPours
3/ next ice age because warm water won't be being brought from the equator to the northern regions. Can't remember if it goes south as well.
JPre35
we are currently in an ice age so there is not a next. what you described has already happened prior to humans called snowball earth
HeWhoPours
Ya I was pretty sure it had happened before. Didn't think we were technically in an ice age. Hm
JPre35
http://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/ice_age.htm
JPre35
the "Ice age" is a glacial period obviously we are not in that but there are still polar ice caps
JPre35
ice sheets*
applesforjuice
If I'm reading this post right, humans are valiantly fighting back an inevitable ice age and we are winning! See you all at the beach
ZombieJonSnow
Bricmpt
Since 97% of scientists around the world agree, I think we should try to fix not debate.
HeWhoPours
2/ Once it warms enough to melt a critical mass of the ice sheets I believe it's going to change the ocean currents enough to trigger the
klloveall
Go look at a graph of as far back as we have data and it's incredibly easy to see that what's happening now *isn't* natural.
JPre35
you mean the rate* because CO2 has always been dumped in the atmosphere so it is natural
klloveall
No, I mean both the rate of change and the levels it's currently at. Neither have been observed on such a shortened time-scale.
JPre35
not its just the rate.. and the level is time independent, rate is time dependent
klloveall
The level has never been this high in the last 800,000 years at least... (which is all we really have reliable data for from ice cores)
Trickky
Actually, CO2 is only 5% of all green house gases, people with an agenda don't inform the public about that.
JPre35
exactly and thats truly the problem
klloveall
It's a small portion, but one that's rapidly changing and that's due to humans. Majority is water vapor which is influenced by the temp.
SoOddICantEven
The most common greenhouse gas is water vapor.
Clevererusernameiscleverer
And the most effective greenhouse gas, at that!
tardis63
That doesn't make it the most significant effect. I can have a 2 liter of soda or a milligram of cyanide, which one do you think is worse?
ztoundaa
However, unlike CO2, WV is relative to temperature. This changes the comparison a bit.
toasterovens
CO2 is 0.04% of earth's atmopshere. I know you said "of all green house gasses", though.
koolman2
But at the beginning of the graphs, CO2 was 0.03%.
ZombieJonSnow
Ahem....
UncivilizedEngie
This graph is hard for normal people to read.
ZombieJonSnow
Very low in the cretacious and jurassic eras because of the massive butt loads of vegetation soaking up co2.
ZombieJonSnow
Meteor strike caused global blackout and monster greenhouse effect like one of yo mommas chili farts and caused an ice age due to melted ice
ZombieJonSnow
Caps and an overflow of dat agua that soaks up co2 by the truck load and froze the shit like Santa's jolly red balls.
tr26
1/5, or 20%. 5% is all the CFCs and other minor contributors. Majority is water.
wizardboy24
Water vapor tends to control itself. If there is more in the atmosphere, more will rain out. CO2 won't do that.
chemistsdoitintesttubes
Exactly! The number one greenhouse gas is water vapor, its WAY easier to control, and we wouldn't have to go back to the stone age to do it.
thecolonels
What is the residency time of water vapour? Now NO2, CH4, and CO2?
tardis63
Clouds. The word you're looking for is clouds.
klloveall
I really hope you're not being serious...
tr26
And a bonus benefit: More clean water!
SonOfAVondruke
Water is part of the natural atmospheric system. Carbon, methane, etc. in the quantities we are pumping out are not.
GrizzlyAdamsDidHaveABeard
I heard they already have a viable way to reduce temperatures. They make drone ships that vaporize sea water and spout it into the air to
GrizzlyAdamsDidHaveABeard
create clouds. This would reflect away some radiation and help cool things down. Pretty interesting
Lobsterwaffle
Water vapor is a much stronger greenhouse gas than CO2. Human activity does not skew the water balance like it does with CO2, however.
OrionRed
Do you know that the data goes back farther? This just picks up where the variation starts.
HeWhoPours
Earth has been heating and cooling in cycles for a long time. Adding greenhouse gasses is going to speed it up unfortunately.
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cinsoniTe
Some guy looking at the sun with his telescope guessing how much heat it is emitting, I guess. We dont even know if all the data is legit.
Paleoman
That's the problem, things are changing at a more human scale and not a geological scale. Too fast for natural systems to respond.
zerozerozerotwo
Sorry OP you are missing the obvious: http://www.venganza.org/images/PiratesVsTemp.png
Ziharkk
Next time you plunder a booty tell them it's to save the earth
whosaidjehovah
Shiver me timbers!
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
There are probably more pirates today than ever.
SpermPoopForDinner
I think zerozerotwo meant sea pirates, but there are also quite a few of those around Africa.
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
Actually so did i. The seas around south asia are plauged with pirates and outlaws.
photog
ARRRRRe you sure? Ok I'll see my self out.
TheDarkLordOfTrees
I KNEW IT
BoltActionGearbox
ow.
vtwinmax
I would have to agree... OCCUM'S RAZOR ANYONE??? https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-472ff75f73e2b38bbc9de017b0c53ab3?convert_to_webp=tr
vtwinmax
(See also). And I quote "...together they match... ...particularly since 1950." (2/3) (another linked image in reply comment)
vtwinmax
...ya. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/Human_population_growth_from_1800_to_2000.png
DescriptionIsLooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong
So pirates ᴀʀR cool
GreetTheReaper
smooth
jimcake
Is this how they graph in Australia? I know their toilets flush upside down and backwards.
znexx
I love the non-linear scale of the x-axis
Ssemo
I've seen this graph so many times and never noticed that
kongfuchicken
Look at me. I'm your global warming correlation graph X axis now.
bittduck
Isnt this included in the lore of pastafarianism?
bittduck
Ah venganza...case closed
zerozerozerotwo
It is, praise thy meaty balls
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
Great comment, but I am truly amazed at how many upvotes you have. Figured this somewhat mocking comment would get DV'd to hell.
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Tyrant88
Then public school has failed again
jimcake
Start with the numbers
Diddyu
Came here looking for this, leaving satisfied.
Vyrro
You're just a bigot that wants to steal my booty!
thatanonymoususer
Brb. Gonna go plunder some stuff and save the planet in the process.
DickieDodds
Just made this my desktop image. Thank you.
SuckItTrebec
I volunteer
TheArkhamAsylumAccountsPayableClerk
I watch Cowspiracy in a failed attempt at Netflix and chill and I learned that methane from cows is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2...
astronave
Netflix and chill with cow farts may be why you failed.
IratetheD
well i believe it has a bit to do with the diet we give them vs what they usually eat???
guywhoalwaysoneupsyou
Ok. So let's do a randomized controlled trial. We will have control planets and planets where we change co2 levels and watch their temps :/
UncivilizedEngie
I went to college and studied environmental engineering and learned that the amount of CO2 we release makes up for it.
Rumpsonumpso
The ocean itself has TONS of Methan which is released slowly. Our and the cows doing is nothing in compare of.
Runner55
So are you saying because we have water let's waste resources on agriculture?
Rumpsonumpso
? No. I'm afraid, I cant follow you.
SonOfAVondruke
True, which is one of the better arguments against farming cattle and other livestock.
LokiKingOfJotunheim
Science is REALLY close to growing steaks that taste just like an actual steak from a cow. I'd eat one. But what do we do with the cows now?
SonOfAVondruke
Stop breeding them or clearing land for them to live on.
LokiKingOfJotunheim
That was a legitimate question though. We have TONS of cows. Do we just allow them to go extinct then? Or let them roam free?
SonOfAVondruke
We eat them.
ToxiqueEarth
It will be like when the automobile made horses obsolete. Slow decline, rather rarer now, but still around.
guywhoalwaysoneupsyou
Oops, was responding to someone else. Don't know why it popped up here
sirplayerone
Watched that too, had seriously never considered how much cow-emitted methane affected the atmosphere. They pollute more than cars, 1/2
sirplayerone
2/2 boats, and planes combined, annually. But the movie ended up turning into a "pro-vegan" documentary, which admittedly turned me off.
sirplayerone
Nothing against vegans, just ain't the lifestyle for me.
Bletchlypark
I am sure that film selection didn't get you laid.
dayMan2
Let's tax cow farts to save out earth
sirplayerone
If anything, we should seriously consider no longer raising cattle for meat and/or milk. It's gotten that bad.
Adula
You're right, we aren't getting taxed enough already
berlinson
You are being facetious, but yes, meat should be given an extra carbon tax.
PenguinPoker
Fun fact: cows burp CH4 rather than fart it.
JesseIMcLennan
Downvoting, not because warming is not real, but for shit science. Google global temperature chart 10000 years for a better picture
MisterCheesePuff
There weren't 7 billion humans that long ago that we had to keep alive.
DirkDiggler5000
Climate change zealotry IS based on shit science. Just ask the retroactive data revisions used to "correct" raw temp data showing cooling.
JesseIMcLennan
Cropping data just to convince people is the reason why people don't trust science.... You are killing science.
remad
Smoking is good for you there is facts some where if you cut copy and crop hard enough.
tryin2figureitout
You want them to use your aribtrary scale instead of their arbitrary scale? How would increasing the scale of the x axis help this?
iwasxyzzybeforeyouwereborn
If I shorten the arbitrary scale to the last five years, there would be global cooling. In general, a longer scale is better.
schrodingersasymmetric12gauge
Yes. Or even freaking add 100 more years to the same charts! The only reason we even have temperature data is because of the mini ice age!
RepostFromLastWeek
The climate has been much hotter in the past. AGW isn't a problem for the planet, its problem for the people. /1
RepostFromLastWeek
Life will continue but humans will likely be wiped out. /2
WhyShouldILoveYou
Pssht. MOST humans. Some will likely survive. Humans are like cockroaches, only bigger.
Paleoman
It does encompass the problem though. Climate fluctuates over geologic time, but it is the rate that it is changing now that is the issue.
pointlesssteel
Also because we can pinpoint the cause. We can actually figure out the cause for rising temps but people still deny the evidence.
ihavequestions
I wonder how accurately we measured temp & co2 100+ years ago. Surely we continue to get more accurate readings. How does that factor in?
Paleoman
The helpful thing is that we can compare historical readings with modern ice cores
pointlesssteel
I think more accurate readings means more and more accurate predictions over time :D
HD226868
Temperatures rise and fall over the centuries, yes. But what WE'RE doing blows previous warmings out of the water.
JPre35
thats not true..only recently..(last couple thousand years) but the earth has warmed far faster before, and cooled just as fast as well
Swaarley
info ?
JPre35
to deny humans have contributed to warming is foolish, but its also foolish to say we are the only factor. we are still in an ice age
JPre35
thats the problem in this debate people use partial truths like this starting from 1880 i mean there are people almost that old
JPre35
http://imgur.com/WtO1Uz9 from epa but must admit its tough to find non biased info
JesseIMcLennan
and in between
derpbread
another problem with this graph is that it's unintentionally misleading when you have huge numbers on the scale in such a small space >
klloveall
Just FYI to everyone, that's from http://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/kids/basics/past.html and misses the important part of: [1/3]
Swaarley
I agree data for the past 135 years is not enough but that's all we've got.
klloveall
What data is that based on? I can't find the basis of that anywhere.
pointlesssteel
this timeframe from 1880 to now isn't to crop data, it's because that's the time we've been measuring.
PenguinPoker
This. Of course we could use longer temperature data but then we would have to use secondary sources (e.g. O18 isotopes) /1
PenguinPoker
Also the question is about human interaction which starts at industrial revolution. A graph of last million years has too low resolution /2
PenguinPoker
to show the human impact of last 250 years.There are big temperature changes in the Quaternary but again the timescale for them is longer /3
pointlesssteel
We do have papers about longer timeperiods, (which confirm the same theories as current measurements) but this timeframe is pretty common ;p
ScienceFaction
Correlation is not causation. We need to remove the excess green house gases to see if the global temp goes down. Then we'll know for sure
jetflight
Yup. The "SAVE THE WORLD!!!" hippie bullshit is an important obstacle to reducing pollution. Much better arguments get pushed to the side.
GIsLife
You know his post was sarcasm right
TheUpdootist
Yeah. I'm thinking a large vacuum cleaner will suffice. One with a few more options than your regular vacuum cleaner. You know. Science.
Hurrrrrrrrr
The next dyson?
ScienceFaction
Megamaid
TheUltimateChimera
"She's gone from suck to blow!"
sambal
https://www.studioroosegaarde.net/project/smog-free-project/info/ Thought this was funny, it is kind of like a huge vacuum
Ryebread91
How 'bout vacu-maid?
jimcake
http://33.media.tumblr.com/94600454c38cfe4da656bc830a6eebc2/tumblr_mkpg7cF7bs1rg0lgoo1_500.gif
fraxinusoleaceae
Sadly that's a converse error. There's no guarantee that if +GHG-> +GT, then -GHG-> -GT. Not all processes are neatly reversible
ItsNotThatSimple
It's better to assume your actions could be harmful and prove they won't be, instead of causing harm and denying it to avoid responsibility.
caboops
"greenhouse gasses" are so dense that they are not even near the upper atmosphere where they are supposedly doing their damage.
superanth
But...but what about my new Hummer???
ThenIDefyYouStars
Are we patient enough to wait 100 years for each experiment to be complete? Removing the excess greenhouse gases all the while?
vlej
no, correlation leads to inference, which leads to hypothesis, which leads to research, which leads to models, which leads to understanding
soapbubblesscareme
As a Texan, I can attest to it still being short sleeve and blue jean weather. His snowballs mean nothing down here.
vlej
this is some proper scienceation right here!
soapbubblesscareme
FOR THAT THERE SCIENCE
ScienceFaction
I feel like you read the first part and thought I was serious, and skipped the second part which demonstrates that I wasn't
KZordTheBestZord
Shoot. I get it now...
Cyranojoe
Welcome to the interwebs - where even the most batshit crazy statements must be taken @ face value, b/c some ppl would have said that srsly.
vlej
guilty as charged xD
TubOfButtah
that was a pleasantly mild exchange
IsaacEilandHall
I'm going to just read the last word you wrote and assume this has all been positive. ;-)
Gomer592
puns..... +1
aboxacaraflatafan
Positive? Oh, my gosh! I'm so sorry. What's the prognosis?
Roune
Which leads to models, which leads to parties, which leads to (hopefully) banging models, which leads to satisfaction
1metalnation
Which leads to guilt, which leads to feeling empty inside, which leads to depression, which leads to suicide
vlej
or a career as a stripper
dontbuyfabricsoftener
step three: profit
thebiglebowskifromaustralia
True, that might take a while...!
snurx
We also need to remove asshats like imhofe.
Paleoman
I appreciate the sarcasm, but also feel obliged to note that paleoclimactic data shows that lower greenhouse=lower temperatures.
ZombieJonSnow
ScienceFaction
That's why I said excess green house gasses
GeneralSpinat
The best thing I read on this issue was : weather is not climate - good answer if someone is trying to prove you wrong with a snowball
Shoujo
Or the increasing ice volume in Antarctica, so many "skeptics" blew a load when that study was released. Now theyre circlejerk
Shoujo
*ing each other like small toddlers who just realized the joy of fondling their pp
ZombieJonSnow
These dudes are PR morons for sure, but global warming is a natural occurrence.
Deaflawyer
You have a point. Look at the Vostok Ice Core samples and this is actually a natural event... CO2 levels go up every thousands of years.1/2
Deaflawyer
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/RickyRood/iconic-figure--2-vostok-ice-core-and-co2
Anononononon
Its too late. Deep sea frozen methanebis now being unleashed
tryin2figureitout
Ok, what are you talking about?
nelshai
In simple terms there are greenhouse gases frozen at the bottom of the oceans. They are now melting and will increase warming even more.
penultiment
Essay are you talking about?
nelshai
In simple terms there are greenhouse gases frozen at the bottom of the oceans. They are now melting and will increase warming even more.
penultiment
What*
Bricmpt
The oceans will set fire. this is not a joke.
Shoujo
Its not to late regarding sea methane, the deposits in permafrost regions how ever. Frozen methane underwater can be stabilized.
HD226868
I have one word for you. Venus.
starkart
I have one word for you. Jesus.
Anononononon
Venus lacks tectonic plates
HD226868
So?
Anononononon
So its reason forbhavijg super heated tempratures are multi faceted?
HD226868
It's closer to the sun and has more atmosphere, I think that sums it up. What would lacking tectonic plates do with it?
wdsncs
You're going to get downvotes from people who read this as trying to disprove human caused global warming, I think.
Slartifartbest
Absolutely correct. This is Imgur, not a symposium.
InnerBushman
You mean from the "idiots"?
TOASTEngineer
I'm not a warming denier, but I'm still terrified of Lysenkoism.
visualvendetta
True. I was confused. Never give a boardroom presentation, OP.
almostsomething182
Every good scientist will try to disprove it, and prove it. Most have found it proven to be true.
rainforestchica
Well. Your comment took care of that.
TheVapingVegan
I was hoping the charts would show it's a hoax. I'm still waiting on a cogent, statistic-based argument from people holding that viewpoint.
SemiOriginalKit
You would appear to be incorrect. Yeah, some people hit the down without looking, but pretty overwhelmingly positive
wdsncs
Fortunately proven wrong, yup. Made the comment in part hoping that people would see it and revisit the content, you know?
SemiOriginalKit
Well, your comment out scored the downvotes by more than a thousand, so you got that going for you, which is nice
wdsncs
I feel like a mother goose when a post I saw in the negatives in User Sub reaches the FP with such a high score. The points are just gravy.
trophygeek
I think a big part of our social issues come from calling it "Global Warming" ... "Climate Destabilization" is a much more accurate term.
renegadesurvivor
needs more threat, how about "climatetia"
LianRosie
So many people don't realize the importance of language when speaking about things that a lot of people don't understand
IReallyLoveLasers
It is human caused, there is a garbage mass in the ocean the size of fucking texas. BUT NO OMG SATANIC STARBUCKS WATCH OUT GUYS.
AfailingHOSRE
As a Christian, Im still confused as to what happened
ItTickles
been hearing about that for 20 years,... and yet no one can find it!
mossybottom
There's a three part vice documentary on it - it was okay, but did explain somewhat how it's there, but not visible
SirCheckmatesalot
didn't some chinese chick invent some relevant cheap autonomous garbage boats a while back?
gwinny
The great Pacific gyre has been "found". It was never even lost actually
sjarambula2011
The pacific gyre.
TheUpdootist
I think you need to do some Google searches.
ItTickles
I did. Nothing
ItTickles
Why doesn't GreenPeas go out there and have a hunger strike or place a hand painted bed sheet banner on it or Something?
gormtheoldthesleepyofdenmark
People don't realize the garbage is comprised of mostly smallish objects.
ItTickles
People don't realize the moon is also comprised of mostly smallish objects.
RepostFromLastWeek
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch "the patch is not visible from satellite photography"
ItTickles
Charles J. Moore came upon an enormous stretch of floating debris. [7] Most of its contents are suspended beneath the surface of the ocean,[
ItTickles
enormous stretch of floating debris suspended beneath the surface? Gee, how could anyone not be convinced that this invisible patch exists?
IReallyLoveLasers
its in the pacific ocean and is now TWICE the size of texas, mb.
ItTickles
gee, you would think there would be a picture of it.. it should even be visible from the space station... and yet, nothing.
IReallyLoveLasers
It's just too big for some peoples brains, berbanke, depopulation, global warming, californians drought, all because of that mass. 1/2
ItTickles
Oh, I did find one picture but the "mass" was only the size of a Buick.. and while Buicks are big cars they're not exactly 2X Texas sized
16745
Yep. Downvoted, kept reading for no reason, understood, upvoted, finished, laughed at Americans and their candidate.
BoomboxGuy
Who say's the globe wasn't too cold back in 1880?
alazyamerican
you mean the people who think for themselves?
Zvw2
To be honest at first I was like this fucking guy. but I guess if he has good sources then okay then realized I was wrong about this post.
chinablue
It is a hoax http://climatechange.umaine.edu/Research/MaineClimate/images/holocene.jpg last 10,000 years
chinablue
Another left wing hoax as well http://knowledgedrift.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/ozone-the-hole-that-always-was/
frebbie
I nearly downvoted but then I checked the comments first to see how much hate it was getting, turned out not very much
BladeRIP
True. That's where I thought it was heading at first. Thankfully I kept reading to be sure. I'm glad imgur residents hadn't upvoted bunk.
wackjack
I think that we should reduce our emissions as much as is practical and then be very creative with replacing what we can to maintain equ.
Himser
This is the only easy to read chart i have ever seen that actually addresses climate sceptics concerns. Most of the time its all
Himser
hail the environmentalists they are our gods. We don't need to actually prove anything to you laymen. Just Believe us when we say we
Himser
need to take your jobs and destroy your economy for the "planet". This is an actually useful set of charts to help the layman understand.
Himser
Thank You
SirDukeMD
That's what I thought this was at first, glad I stuck it out to the end. Very informative OP +1
CirB
Same here. OP is lucky that I usually read the article too before deciding whether to up/downvote (or just skip) ;)
Swaarley
thanks... that's why I shared it. :-)
Swaarley
I just realized that... Is going up and down from people not seeing the whole album.
Femtoscientist
I was angry, then relieved. So many feelings at once
MundaneFacts
I downvoted Because the gif graphs(grifs) were hard to read. But decided that it was good enough to upvote despite.
GreaterDog
Good post. But yeah, downvotes will come due to the switcheroo clickbait.
wam3483
That's exactly what I did. Downvoted, read whole album, upvotes.
codexdelux
Just to be clear though. the 5 year mean of global mean surface temps have gone up 1.34 Centigrade from 1882-2012, that's ca 2.4F, not 1.4F
boopityboopboop
I was ready to put up my fists but I'll put them away now.
Mydogismybestman
I did that. I'm sorry. I downvoted, then I re-read the last couple frames... I'm part of the problem, OP! Forgive me?
Swaarley
forgiven! I just thought it was interesting data so I wanted to share... and well irony doesn't always work well in the internet.
Mydogismybestman
Very interesting and very well presented. I was just too impatient at first.
Shoujo
I liked it, you certainly got my attention and seething hatred. Great post btw!
BatmanRidingANarwhal
Yep, downvoted for that, kept reading and then upvoted. The HOAX pic is confusing.
kayakninjas
The first picture made me skeptical, then I read the whole thing and favorited. Good luck. Good album.
malok
or simply because I already know all that. I'm sorry, it's just not the kind of content I go on Imgur for, nothing personal.
rainforestchica
Shoot. Ok... Going back and seeing the whole album.
codexdelux
2/ so you basically substituted centigrade with farenheit: Here's the tabular: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A.txt
JajaGiant
I admit I was going to, but I knew this had so many points for a reason. Awesome post!
Slartifartbest
I used to "work with" Lonnie Thompson. I worked in the same department, but I am not a world renowned Paleo-climatologist.
BanadecCamberbootch
I'll be honest, I was waiting for a correlation with Dickbutts.
Finduses
You might wish to make your sources a little clearer than one sentance.
TheServantOfDeath
The thing that really annoys me about all this, it breaks everything down, except "greenhouse gases". Which it puts the blame on...
TheServantOfDeath
I would like to see a break down of the "gases" to see which gases/sources contributed how much to global warming.
frustwrited
it was off-putting. I only scrolled down to see if you were being ironic or something.
ittybittyfeets
Nothing about it was "ironic." If anything, he was being sarcastic.
IBetThatHurts
I scrolled to see how fucking retarded he was and then I realized he wasn't.
Ihaveworkat5anditslike1rightnow
I scrolled down to try and see some evidence against man-made global warming. Nothing wrong with looking at evidence against your ideas
80percentlegs
"You should be off pudding"
Swaarley
And I was!
Porecomesis
I thought your final image was going to be some underground dragon species responsible for global warming.
kreyll
I was wondering how this was going to turn into a badly photoshopped Micheal Cera
Swaarley
That would of been funny
Topprck
TBH I only read this because I love graphs. Moving graphs are even better. Then it was informative too, so that was nice. Thank you OP :)
frustwrited
hence the read, the updoot, the reply, the reply's reply, the flipping from porn to this and back again...wait
Swaarley
Sorry for interrupting your porn watching.... Carry on.