Not super important to the topic of the video, but it's interesting seeing the teachers tone and vernacular slipping occasionally. He's code switching in that environment to either fit it, or gain trust with the student and client, but sounds like it's not his normal speaking pattern.
Super important that instructor seems to lack some important cultural competence and that definitely came through in how he spoke to the student. That instructor may have never set foor in a black barber shop- where black men typically get their hair cut. Thats why he was so confused seeing something that is commonly done to clean up lines. Then he would have had to ask what the student was doing and go starlight to consent.
Also - Kudos to this student in tactfully educating his instructor on a hair cutting technique used for black hairstyles and a technique for cleaning up edges that is quite commonly seen used in black barber shop.
Cultural competence is so important in every profession and goes hand-in-hand with consent.
This is a correct take, unfortunately this influencer shows many wrong or bad takes in his videos. His ego is too inflated for instructing leading to other barbers coming out with inflated egos which leads to drop out rates in the industry rising.
It’s part of racism patterns we see in clicked/algorithmed videos.
“Black musician listens to [supposedly amazing white band] FOR THE FIRST TIME!”. I.e. black person prestige (like “jazz” person) subjected to and admiring white people
In this case black person getting paragraphs of wisdom from… white-appearing person. His background or ethnicity or place in community isn’t really the issue, the issue is it’s upvoted because he’s white-appearing. Fits the desired trope.
Agreed. The lack of cultural competence, on the part of the instructor, to know that he was seeing something commonly done in black barber shops came through with his confusion about what the student was doing - and it made him seem condescending in how he approached the convo about consent after.
You know white people exist in black areas right? And here's the real shocker, they talk like the people they grew up with. This is like being weird about an Asian dude having a southern accent because he grew up in Arkansas
By all parties involved. Barber is going to go far in life with the way he takes constructive criticism, or at least as far as our late stage capitalist society will allow.
I remember I let a new guy in medical practice stitching me up. He was a new corpsman in the Navy and I was his first live patient. I just asked the duty chief to give me an extra shot of local anesthesia. Gotta start somewhere. It's an ugly scar though
I thought this was about to be some dumbfounded light skinned dude losing it when he sees how many many black barbers do. Like, yeah, dude in the chair knows whats going on if hes ever been to a barber shop before. Nice that the teacher is teaching it up. Consent is king. But i loled by the premise alone
that's a boss i can respect having, no rage, no bs, no nonsense period, just proper conversation, actually good with his employee using a method to help themselfs do the job properly, but makes sure they check with the customer 1st if they're fine with that method, if only we had more ppl like that in the world.
Thats a boss i would feel comfortable having a convo about cultural competence with. He seems like he would be open to going to a black barber shop if he he were invited, to learn more about the techniques he will commonly see when cutting black hair. Then he could have a culturally competent conversation about consent with students who cut black hair, in the future.
Nothing is more attractive in a teacher than having a respectable, and healthy response to teaching, mistakes, and potential issues stemming from the employee-customer relationships.
Agreed and I think this instructor also demonstrated a willingness to be educated on a critical component of cultural competency (commonly seen techniques that are used to cut black hair, that would bee typically seen in a black barber shop) from his student as well. Cultural competency and consent go hand-in-hand.
If it was in a non-education setting, yes. Make the change, move on. In a teaching enviornment like this, especially when its (presumably) post-secondary job training. That explaination is an important for the student, they'll be running their own business at some point and they need to know how to interact with customers and why you do certain things
I disagree. It's one thing to say "Hey, don't do that without asking!" it's another to let people know why it's a bad idea. And he was trying to get it across that the trick he uses is a great idea, but also why it's important to get informed consent. That way it doesn't discourage the student.
True, but in a teaching environment, especially when dealing with a customer-service position, knowing the WHY and having it reinforced is just as important as being told the WHAT.
Exactly. "You gotta ask 'em first" doesn't offer clarity on why it's important. The teacher also makes sure to let the student know that using reference lines and such is perfectly fine as long as you get consent. Elaborating and really digging into why you gotta ask with a hypothetical "some customers might not be okay with that and can feel weird when the barber/stylist starts drawing on 'em" is just good teaching, because it drives home the appropriate mindset.
I tipped the one barber that actually asked if I wanted the free massage like 40%. Most of the time I hate getting haircuts because they just say OK and do what they want. I also dont need/want a half assed shoulder massage by a dude Ive never met; after my hair is cut I'm just trying to leave. Most of the barbers assume I want them wasting time 'creating an experience'. Nope, I just want to be sheared like a sheep, and sent on my way. Consent makes all the difference, and they just need to ask.
It's more of a gimmick to up charge you since the cuts come in 'packages'. You cant just go get a regular hair cut and be done, like any old school barber shop. It's quite annoying.
Nicely handled, though if *I* was that customer I would be uncomfortable AF from the entire situation and would say whatever to just get it over with so I could smile and leave.
Yeah the general rule is praise in public, critique in private, but if it’s an academy customers are probably hearing the instructor give feedback all the time
It's a barber school. I went through cosmetology school myself about a decade ago. The customers are people who go in full knowing they're going to a school for a free or really cheap haircut or manicure or whatever and are likely to see, you know, education happening. If you feel uncomfortable with this, simply don't go to barber schools.
I hear you for sure, but it looks like this is a barber academy so I imagine you'd have gone in prepared for the possibility of academy type stuff goin' down!
Possibly. Maybe I am just still affected from having a similar experience a couple of weeks ago at a regular hair salon. I booked the time online and it said nothing about it being an apprentice doing my hair. She did a bad job but I was anxious and sweaty so I just nodded, smiled and said all positive things to get it over with as soon as possible so I could go home and shower and sleep.
It's always uncomfortable to be caught in someone else's teaching moment, it reminds us that we, none of us, are the main character. We're always side-characters in someone else's story, and that feels weird.
(Except Steve. He's the antagonist. God hates Steve.)
I don't mind being the side character, that's not it. It's just that such situations are often more uncertain, and I'm a bit of a pleaser so it was important for me that she felt good about the whole thing. To an introvert, such a situation (especially when unexpected!) is draining AF! Part of why I usually cut my own hair, this was my first visit at a salon since Covid. Took a lot of convincing myself to return. Not sure I ever will again.
That is something you can actively work on. Being a pleaser to the point of lying is not a good thing. She now hasn't learned anything from the work she did on you- you told her it was good when it was bad, so she will do the same again. A bit of backbone goes a long way.
I wasn't aware of that - I just figured he was new and like the boss came over to help. In hindsight it is obvious though, I see that now. But I didn't notice at first.
Yeah that was at the very beginning of the video, and at that time I was distracted by looking AT THE ACTUAL VIDEO CONTENT, NOT THE CAPTION. Fuck off with that negativity, I don't need that in my life. Muted.
Bro how dare you make a simple human mistake and then have the audacity to be like "yeah my bad". We should all strive to be perfect like "idrinkcheapbeer".
Yes but he's a trainee. He needs to understand how it works in the real world with a real customer. Just cuz he's a barber college practice customer doesn't mean the trainee can go hog wild.
I always tell hair stylists they don't have to make chit chat with me. Some of them are so hard sell they just keep prying like we're friends. Honestly, I like silence or people-watching the stylists talking to each other.
One of our local salons has a checkbox when booking online, the option translates to something like "Quiet Cutting" which means you talk about what you want done at the beginning, then no talking until it's done (or you have comments during, of course). I'll probably pick them next time I go out for a haircut, if ever again.
I would've enjoyed having you as a client. I'm quiet, hate forced chitchat, but in the industry I got the equivalent of "you should smile (talk) more" uuuugh lol. I always loved when people came in after work cuz I quietly and gently wash/cut their hair and usually they'd fall asleep...and return for that reason. Such a compliment haha.
My stylist wouldn't thin my hair as much as I wanted. I'm half Korean and it's so damn thick in can't curl it. I asked her to wear a mask before I got there. There are mirrors everywhere and she kept pulling it down on her chin when she was behind me. Like I couldn't see it. Just really disappointing. If you don't want to wear a mask, just say so so I can go somewhere else. I wish I lived in an area big enough with the stylist trucks.
He's at a barber school getting that cut and it is at a reduced rate because the work is being done by a student. Customer is aware this is part of it. If you don't want this, don't go to a barber college.
Yes but he's a trainee. He needs to understand how it works in the real world with a real customer. Just cuz he's a barber college practice customer doesn't mean the trainee can go hog wild.
I work in nursing, and I train a lotta new hires. Imagine you're in this customers situation, but instead of cutting your hair, you're having your private parts cleaned lmao. Everyone's gotta learn the basics at some point
Yeah I did my tech school training in a training hospital for the military and the patients there know that there’s generally going to be extra people in the room; doctors, nurses, techs, etc… and there will be extra discussion and questions being asked by the people in the room to other people in the room or a procedure done by a student under the supervision of the trainer and there will be instruction and feedback that happen along the way in front of the patient. Just how it goes.
Anytime I've been a patient where there's trainees, I've been asked if it's okay if they observe etc. I've never said no, but I'm sure if I'd said no it would've been respected.
Oh yes. The patients can refuse. But typically because they know it’s a training hospital most patients were totally fine with being observed and/or treated by the students (under the direct supervision of a qualified provider of course). And obviously the students actually in patient care are at the end of their training and coursework. And they aren’t allowed to do a procedure that hasn’t been observed and signed off on previously from non living tissue or a simulated training scenario
I go about once a quarter to get a haircut, shampoo, goatee trim and a hot towel shave. I like to keep my eyes closed the entire time and just enjoy it.
Glad there are people like you, to keep the salons busy :-) To me, it is a chore, something I have to charge up to get over with, and spend time recuperating from afterwards. Which is why it was a revelation to me when I figured out how easy it is to cut my own hair during Covid, so I just kept doing it ever since. I can't do my neck as nicely though, which is why I ventured out again recently.
More communication is required on cultural competence, though. If the instructor didn't know that line drawing (or the reasons for it) is something that is commonly done in black barber shops then the convo on consent, afterward, seems somewhat condescending.
True. Also the instructor did not do a very good job of role modeling the concept of consent. He could have asked the client consent questions but instead made assumptions about what the client was thinking, including whether the client would consent to the instructor speaking on his behalf. But they both have a conversation about what was in the client's best interest right in front of him and that seemed to be most condescending part. No one asked the client consent on anything!!!
Given the environment in which this is happening, i.e. a teaching environment, the client consented to have themselves used as examples, both for behavioral and technical training, for the barbers.
Again, a truly perfect teachable moment that was missed by the instructor. No matter what profession consent is an *ongoing conversation* especially when we are talking about anything being done to a person's body (a haircut, a medical procedure, accepting a cup of tea, or paying for sexual acts). Even if you sign a consent contract, you have the right to be informed at each step AND You have the right to remove your consent - change your mind - about what is being done to you at any time.
PedanticAsshat
No outrage, no hysterics. Great teacher.
habslove
stupid clickbaitin caption
flopydisk
Informative, should be applied in many different situations.
Milomaine
Barber DEMOLISHES student. You won't believe what he did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
battlebetter5772
No shitty students only shitty teachers
ActualTttony
He very kindly pointed out what the better procedure was then repeated it 3 times. That got very uncomfortable
zFUBARz
Not super important to the topic of the video, but it's interesting seeing the teachers tone and vernacular slipping occasionally. He's code switching in that environment to either fit it, or gain trust with the student and client, but sounds like it's not his normal speaking pattern.
wannasee
Super important that instructor seems to lack some important cultural competence and that definitely came through in how he spoke to the student. That instructor may have never set foor in a black barber shop- where black men typically get their hair cut. Thats why he was so confused seeing something that is commonly done to clean up lines. Then he would have had to ask what the student was doing and go starlight to consent.
DelphicSylloge11
now if someone could just train customers...hmmm
SergeyPrkl
I love good practical teaching.
Roger8086
A good teacher offering respectful instruction to help a student learn how to do it the right way. Bravo.
wannasee
Also - Kudos to this student in tactfully educating his instructor on a hair cutting technique used for black hairstyles and a technique for cleaning up edges that is quite commonly seen used in black barber shop.
Cultural competence is so important in every profession and goes hand-in-hand with consent.
UpvotesForBacon
This is a correct take, unfortunately this influencer shows many wrong or bad takes in his videos. His ego is too inflated for instructing leading to other barbers coming out with inflated egos which leads to drop out rates in the industry rising.
Aulest
5 times that was repeated. Really honing in the point, that's how I learn.
CthulhuLovesMeThisIKnow
What a wonderful teacher, and also a really creative student.
judyblue
This here is the correct interpretation of "the customer is always right" as a business principle.
todaytomorrowwillbeyesterday
How to communicate 101
billymaditsdone
"Barber instructor sees this and you won't believe what happens next‼️‼️‼️"
anybodyjohn4
does the instructor always speak AAVE?
FrolickingFrolicking
It’s part of racism patterns we see in clicked/algorithmed videos.
“Black musician listens to [supposedly amazing white band] FOR THE FIRST TIME!”. I.e. black person prestige (like “jazz” person) subjected to and admiring white people
In this case black person getting paragraphs of wisdom from… white-appearing person. His background or ethnicity or place in community isn’t really the issue, the issue is it’s upvoted because he’s white-appearing. Fits the desired trope.
wannasee
Agreed. The lack of cultural competence, on the part of the instructor, to know that he was seeing something commonly done in black barber shops came through with his confusion about what the student was doing - and it made him seem condescending in how he approached the convo about consent after.
Niagaran
Code switching is a thing. If a white person is around Black people regularly, it's not condescending for them to start using AAVE to communicate with them. If anything, it might be condescending if they don't.
https://medium.com/@timtoterhi/everyone-code-switches-and-thats-okay-2045f1dbac0a#:~:text=Code%2Dswitching%20isn't%20exclusive,linguistic%20domain%2C%20everyone%20is%20affected.
pvtsquirel
You know white people exist in black areas right? And here's the real shocker, they talk like the people they grew up with. This is like being weird about an Asian dude having a southern accent because he grew up in Arkansas
ElvenTroll1121
Whats weird is all the zoomers talking like that when they didnt grow up in black areas
tanebot
That was gently and compassionately expressed. Good teacher.
7YearsALurker
This is what good teaching is like. Explaining, making sure the student understands, no drama, focus on becoming better.
TheAccursedHamster
He seems like a good teacher
DonkeyGoat
That was handled well
BHPaperstacks
By all parties involved. Barber is going to go far in life with the way he takes constructive criticism, or at least as far as our late stage capitalist society will allow.
TheSatanicFalcon
That teacher is allowed to say it I think. Also he's really good at teaching
Kantoken
I didn't see or hear a shock? Was it an electrical one and I missed it?
manwithsevenlivers
yesdearmetoo
No need to talk down to a student. This dude will remember that for the rest of his career.
Niagaran
At no point was he talking down to him.
yesdearmetoo
I didn't mean that the teacher WAS talking down to the student. If that was implied, then I humbly apologize
FuzzyMedic
Shock? No. A reasonable, measured, and clear response? Yes. A valuable teaching moment, really.
Ekibwurm
totally. i wish all teachers where as cool and patient and so clear in their teaching.
SteerpikeSteerpike
Won't get clicks if we aren't selling shock and anger.
FlyingSpaghettiAngelWhoLostHisWings
I mean, the whole thing has a cameraman in it...
billymaditsdone
I kinda feel like he milked the moment for the camera lol. Could have kept it short. But he's 100% correct of course.
HandoB4Javert
Also the wrongness is obvious when presented the way the instructor did.
wannasee
No kidding! He obviously missed a key component of the consent talk : cultural competence.
tanebot
I think we're probably just all shocked that the teacher isn't an asshole. Be nice if this were the norm.
PastureofMuppets
It really is the norm. Teachers tend to be great at teaching. Im only shocked by the clickbait descrption
JoeT85
I remember I let a new guy in medical practice stitching me up. He was a new corpsman in the Navy and I was his first live patient. I just asked the duty chief to give me an extra shot of local anesthesia. Gotta start somewhere. It's an ugly scar though
somethingstupidandclever
I thought this was about to be some dumbfounded light skinned dude losing it when he sees how many many black barbers do. Like, yeah, dude in the chair knows whats going on if hes ever been to a barber shop before. Nice that the teacher is teaching it up. Consent is king. But i loled by the premise alone
Snezko
that's a boss i can respect having, no rage, no bs, no nonsense period, just proper conversation, actually good with his employee using a method to help themselfs do the job properly, but makes sure they check with the customer 1st if they're fine with that method, if only we had more ppl like that in the world.
wannasee
Thats a boss i would feel comfortable having a convo about cultural competence with. He seems like he would be open to going to a black barber shop if he he were invited, to learn more about the techniques he will commonly see when cutting black hair. Then he could have a culturally competent conversation about consent with students who cut black hair, in the future.
Totters
Nothing is more attractive in a teacher than having a respectable, and healthy response to teaching, mistakes, and potential issues stemming from the employee-customer relationships.
wannasee
Agreed and I think this instructor also demonstrated a willingness to be educated on a critical component of cultural competency (commonly seen techniques that are used to cut black hair, that would bee typically seen in a black barber shop) from his student as well. Cultural competency and consent go hand-in-hand.
HypoMix
I feel that could have been 2 sentences not 2 paragraphs.
B3N15
If it was in a non-education setting, yes. Make the change, move on. In a teaching enviornment like this, especially when its (presumably) post-secondary job training. That explaination is an important for the student, they'll be running their own business at some point and they need to know how to interact with customers and why you do certain things
5m4llP0X
I disagree. It's one thing to say "Hey, don't do that without asking!" it's another to let people know why it's a bad idea. And he was trying to get it across that the trick he uses is a great idea, but also why it's important to get informed consent. That way it doesn't discourage the student.
NickRivieraMD
I feel like this was a a social media video that coulda been an email.
laton
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ChazzK
True, but in a teaching environment, especially when dealing with a customer-service position, knowing the WHY and having it reinforced is just as important as being told the WHAT.
Cataleast
Exactly. "You gotta ask 'em first" doesn't offer clarity on why it's important. The teacher also makes sure to let the student know that using reference lines and such is perfectly fine as long as you get consent. Elaborating and really digging into why you gotta ask with a hypothetical "some customers might not be okay with that and can feel weird when the barber/stylist starts drawing on 'em" is just good teaching, because it drives home the appropriate mindset.
TalkingSnake
Consent.
MCpeepantz
I tipped the one barber that actually asked if I wanted the free massage like 40%. Most of the time I hate getting haircuts because they just say OK and do what they want. I also dont need/want a half assed shoulder massage by a dude Ive never met; after my hair is cut I'm just trying to leave. Most of the barbers assume I want them wasting time 'creating an experience'. Nope, I just want to be sheared like a sheep, and sent on my way. Consent makes all the difference, and they just need to ask.
WorkerLurker
Your barber gives massages? Wtf?! Mine have never offered more than trims and shaves here.
MCpeepantz
It's more of a gimmick to up charge you since the cuts come in 'packages'. You cant just go get a regular hair cut and be done, like any old school barber shop. It's quite annoying.
MaleProstateMilker88
Life would be much more pleasant and less difficult if people would care more about consent in everything they do to other people.
WhatTheFrog
Ye, shame he doesn't add a line "it's all about consent" rather than "it's customer focused", otherwise he's doing a great job at teaching!
Kitehammer
That's exactly what he is saying with different words.
MuffinProof
So hot!
Heroasteral
Sexy!
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
Nicely handled, though if *I* was that customer I would be uncomfortable AF from the entire situation and would say whatever to just get it over with so I could smile and leave.
msfeatherbottom
Yeah the general rule is praise in public, critique in private, but if it’s an academy customers are probably hearing the instructor give feedback all the time
LateNightBunnyParty
It's a barber school. I went through cosmetology school myself about a decade ago. The customers are people who go in full knowing they're going to a school for a free or really cheap haircut or manicure or whatever and are likely to see, you know, education happening. If you feel uncomfortable with this, simply don't go to barber schools.
kerrigan778
Sure but this is clearly a school with people who volunteered to be cut by students as a learning opportunity.
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
We've been over this elsewhere in the thread. Not rehashing that now.
Valtrith
I hear you for sure, but it looks like this is a barber academy so I imagine you'd have gone in prepared for the possibility of academy type stuff goin' down!
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
Possibly. Maybe I am just still affected from having a similar experience a couple of weeks ago at a regular hair salon. I booked the time online and it said nothing about it being an apprentice doing my hair. She did a bad job but I was anxious and sweaty so I just nodded, smiled and said all positive things to get it over with as soon as possible so I could go home and shower and sleep.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
It's always uncomfortable to be caught in someone else's teaching moment, it reminds us that we, none of us, are the main character. We're always side-characters in someone else's story, and that feels weird.
(Except Steve. He's the antagonist. God hates Steve.)
StTriniansHeadBoy
The feeling you get in that situation is called “sonder”
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
I don't mind being the side character, that's not it. It's just that such situations are often more uncertain, and I'm a bit of a pleaser so it was important for me that she felt good about the whole thing. To an introvert, such a situation (especially when unexpected!) is draining AF! Part of why I usually cut my own hair, this was my first visit at a salon since Covid. Took a lot of convincing myself to return. Not sure I ever will again.
DrMoneybeard
That is something you can actively work on. Being a pleaser to the point of lying is not a good thing. She now hasn't learned anything from the work she did on you- you told her it was good when it was bad, so she will do the same again. A bit of backbone goes a long way.
msfeatherbottom
Aw I love the way you phrased that. And I don’t know Steve, but fuck Steve (in solidarity)
idrinkcheapbeer
It's literally a free haircut from a trainee. It's to be expected.
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
I wasn't aware of that - I just figured he was new and like the boss came over to help. In hindsight it is obvious though, I see that now. But I didn't notice at first.
idrinkcheapbeer
"I didn't read the unambiguous two words "Barber Instructor" isn't the excuse you think it is.
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
Yeah that was at the very beginning of the video, and at that time I was distracted by looking AT THE ACTUAL VIDEO CONTENT, NOT THE CAPTION. Fuck off with that negativity, I don't need that in my life. Muted.
cloudstrife046583000
Bro how dare you make a simple human mistake and then have the audacity to be like "yeah my bad". We should all strive to be perfect like "idrinkcheapbeer".
nickelrocket
Yes but he's a trainee. He needs to understand how it works in the real world with a real customer. Just cuz he's a barber college practice customer doesn't mean the trainee can go hog wild.
idrinkcheapbeer
I was specifically referring to the original comment of "if I was that customer, I would be uncomfortable" What did you think I meant?
nickelrocket
Wrong comment
VaultGirl69
I always tell hair stylists they don't have to make chit chat with me. Some of them are so hard sell they just keep prying like we're friends. Honestly, I like silence or people-watching the stylists talking to each other.
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
One of our local salons has a checkbox when booking online, the option translates to something like "Quiet Cutting" which means you talk about what you want done at the beginning, then no talking until it's done (or you have comments during, of course). I'll probably pick them next time I go out for a haircut, if ever again.
Sylviastout
I would've enjoyed having you as a client. I'm quiet, hate forced chitchat, but in the industry I got the equivalent of "you should smile (talk) more" uuuugh lol. I always loved when people came in after work cuz I quietly and gently wash/cut their hair and usually they'd fall asleep...and return for that reason. Such a compliment haha.
idrinkcheapbeer
i bring my kindle. No one tries to converse when you are reading. about the only question non haircut related is "whatcha reading?"
VaultGirl69
My stylist wouldn't thin my hair as much as I wanted. I'm half Korean and it's so damn thick in can't curl it. I asked her to wear a mask before I got there. There are mirrors everywhere and she kept pulling it down on her chin when she was behind me. Like I couldn't see it. Just really disappointing. If you don't want to wear a mask, just say so so I can go somewhere else. I wish I lived in an area big enough with the stylist trucks.
comfortablynumb2020
He's at a barber school getting that cut and it is at a reduced rate because the work is being done by a student. Customer is aware this is part of it. If you don't want this, don't go to a barber college.
nickelrocket
Yes but he's a trainee. He needs to understand how it works in the real world with a real customer. Just cuz he's a barber college practice customer doesn't mean the trainee can go hog wild.
LateNightBunnyParty
Are you daft?
comfortablynumb2020
I think the instructor conveyed that.
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
That is almost word-for-word what the instructor said.
MushinMan
I work in nursing, and I train a lotta new hires. Imagine you're in this customers situation, but instead of cutting your hair, you're having your private parts cleaned lmao. Everyone's gotta learn the basics at some point
ObiWanKenobitch
Yeah I did my tech school training in a training hospital for the military and the patients there know that there’s generally going to be extra people in the room; doctors, nurses, techs, etc… and there will be extra discussion and questions being asked by the people in the room to other people in the room or a procedure done by a student under the supervision of the trainer and there will be instruction and feedback that happen along the way in front of the patient. Just how it goes.
quaggie
Anytime I've been a patient where there's trainees, I've been asked if it's okay if they observe etc. I've never said no, but I'm sure if I'd said no it would've been respected.
ObiWanKenobitch
Oh yes. The patients can refuse. But typically because they know it’s a training hospital most patients were totally fine with being observed and/or treated by the students (under the direct supervision of a qualified provider of course). And obviously the students actually in patient care are at the end of their training and coursework. And they aren’t allowed to do a procedure that hasn’t been observed and signed off on previously from non living tissue or a simulated training scenario
SupernaturalReactions
I love getting groomed.
I go about once a quarter to get a haircut, shampoo, goatee trim and a hot towel shave.
I like to keep my eyes closed the entire time and just enjoy it.
So, for the last decade I show them the same pic of me after a particularly good session and say, make me look like that.
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Niagaran
Back when getting your hair washed first was more common, I had to fight to stay awake. The combo of warm water and the hands in my hair? 💤
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
Glad there are people like you, to keep the salons busy :-) To me, it is a chore, something I have to charge up to get over with, and spend time recuperating from afterwards. Which is why it was a revelation to me when I figured out how easy it is to cut my own hair during Covid, so I just kept doing it ever since. I can't do my neck as nicely though, which is why I ventured out again recently.
SupernaturalReactions
If I could afford it, I'd go every couple of weeks. It's better than a massage. I always leave feeling like a million bucks (1.5 mill with inflation).
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SterlingArcherSecretAgent
I've started to love massages though. Only took me 40 years to try those lol
SupernaturalReactions
Depends on the massage therapist. I have touch issues. Rough touch is fine, but if they're too gentle it makes me feel weird.
Had an ex who complained about not being able to touch me softly, because I'd have to know in advance, so I can grit my teeth & tense my body in advance so I wouldn't squirm....
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DarthWaiterSE
That is an instructor who understands communication on a deep, intuitive level. Hat's off to the kind of mentorship that changes lives.
wannasee
More communication is required on cultural competence, though. If the instructor didn't know that line drawing (or the reasons for it) is something that is commonly done in black barber shops then the convo on consent, afterward, seems somewhat condescending.
deathmagiks
Respectfully, common act or not, clarifying consent is never (or, rather, should never be) condescending.
wannasee
True. Also the instructor did not do a very good job of role modeling the concept of consent. He could have asked the client consent questions but instead made assumptions about what the client was thinking, including whether the client would consent to the instructor speaking on his behalf. But they both have a conversation about what was in the client's best interest right in front of him and that seemed to be most condescending part. No one asked the client consent on anything!!!
deathmagiks
Given the environment in which this is happening, i.e. a teaching environment, the client consented to have themselves used as examples, both for behavioral and technical training, for the barbers.
wannasee
Again, a truly perfect teachable moment that was missed by the instructor. No matter what profession consent is an *ongoing conversation* especially when we are talking about anything being done to a person's body (a haircut, a medical procedure, accepting a cup of tea, or paying for sexual acts). Even if you sign a consent contract, you have the right to be informed at each step AND You have the right to remove your consent - change your mind - about what is being done to you at any time.