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Tl;dr: Science
Jan 25, 2017 1:35 AM
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Tl;dr: Science
Technicalanarchy
When propaganda is in play there are alternative facts. In short that's what propaganda is.
GentleMachineWashWithSimilarColours
I most definitely have an allergy to the media
missrumsoakedkiss
binkythe900ftcarrot
the alternate spelling of outweigh made me really uncomfortable
Xarpia
God, I love when smart people talk. It can almost make me teary eye...
Xarpia
In a good way, I mean :)
omfgasn
Are bees going to be ok?
HydrochloricKitten
Bees are gonna be fine. http://www.agprofessional.com/news/bee-population-rising-around-world
IcedLance
"Lecturer"? What exactly is his field of expertise that he gives lectures on? Looks like it's "everything". Just like mine.
GeoTeacher
Science
popejubal
Clean coal does exist. It's the coal we leave in the ground and don't burn. Where it should stay except for emergencies.
ICommentWithWrestlingGifs
skinnyskinnybuddha
Name checks out.
tarrbot
Out way? Miss Pell needs to have a talk with you
grimol
Scrolled all the way down looking for this comment. What professor would get this wrong?
tarrbot
A community college professor...
HeroThatWasNeeded
The post-fact culture will frustrate many scientists both new and old.
Tanixyz
Who ever wrote this: I like you.
schrodingersasymmetric12gauge
Would need 100,000 words to comment. Have a zoidberg (\/) (°,,,°) (\/)
StTriniansHeadBoy
*more widely-spread.
MadMikes
Climate change is a natural process, sped up by the burning of fossil fuels. Not caused by it.
PotassiumLover
How on earth could windmills make you sick?
peachesforme
because idiot people don't want them hurting their views. Several senators and the *shudder* pres believe this bs
bananaranch
They don't. Unfortunately people hear anti-wind propaganda and believe it without doing their own research.
LordCarna
The nocebo effect, people read that they make "infrasound" and then start believing it and make themselves sick.
GodOfTheBumbleBees
If they are built to close and their shadows pass over your house... Light, dark, light, dark, light...
chickNlittle
wellju
If it weren't for the word kickstarter, this wall of text could be from the 80's.
ilovestringcheese
1. "Mainly" is debated but probably. 2. Sure. 3. Duh. 4. Duh. 5. Pharma influences to profit. 6. Ya. 7. Nope. 8. Ok. 9. Probably...we'll see
RiddlingVenus0
Yeah they should have done a bit more research before writing about fracking.
SamaelTheVenomOfGod
Whereas I think oil companies should have done a bit more research before beginning fracking :P
Beeeeeeeees
I think that fracking explanation was pretty wrong...
EwokPathologist
In retrospect I wrote too hastily. Each individual component is not wrong, but the implications of the text suggest it's worse than it is.
EwokPathologist
I'm not particularly averse to fracking in comparison to other methods, but carbon extraction is almost always damaging.
BluBoxx
You would be pretty incorrect...
peachesforme
they like to argue it is the water pumping but that is like arguing that it's not falling that kills you but the impact with the ground
Beeeeeeeees
I would actually also agree with the argument that the impact, over falling, is what kills you, but maybe that's sorta not relevant
peachesforme
It's the doing something damaging and saying that it isn't want killed you but the fall out from it.
Beeeeeeeees
Haha, well that aside, I'm not really trying to argue the harm of fracking, but rather I take issue with how the process was explained.
Beeeeeeeees
I don't think it "wears away" anything. I think lubrication does take some part, but the main thing with it is that fluid pressure is (1/2)
Beeeeeeeees
increased which lowers the side forces on the rocks which causes them to break and the gas/oil is released.
BluBoxx
The entire process of well formation (in fracking) "wears away" interstitial materials to actually produce the well...that's the 1/
Beeeeeeeees
The well can be created with a conventional drilling process, but the fracturing comes from the high pressure fluids affecting outwards
BluBoxx
"Fracturing" part of "hydrofracruring" aka "fracking"...... 2/2
sweetfeetpete
Mostly seems good to me, except for the fracking bit. There are way cleaner ways to frack, and most of the ecological damage is due to (1/2)
Captainplanetmotherfucker
That was the one thing I didn't actually agree on.
willfullyspooning
Also aromatherapy is used in hospitals to help with nausea and headaches. I get migraines and peppermint oil helps a bit for me.
willfullyspooning
Also aromatherapy is used in hospitals to help with nausea and headaches. I get migraines and peppermint oil helps a bit for me.
tisphated
Yup. The fracking point is largely BS. So few fracking associated quakes. And improper disposal is problem.
Thornaxe
So few fracking quakes? Not from Oklahoma are you....
tisphated
No. I'm not. But those are not from Fracking. Anyone who says they are doesn't understand. Simples.
Thornaxe
Enlighten me, since you know so much and have 100% confidence in your positions.
tisphated
They're from disposal of wastewater/produced water. Could happen with any poorly regulated drilling. Not specifically Fracking.
sweetfeetpete
Brine disposal (usually improper disposal), especially earthquakes. Those are usually from using old wells for disposal
MarkGuy
Yes thank you. This article was pretty good but not perfect. Good to know people around here still use their brains
Doom335
Im glad, im not the only one to know this.
humptyblargh
The quakes are not even detectable at the surface. The bit about damage is pure fiction.
humptyblargh
Detectable by a person, I mean. Seismographs are way more sensitive than your feet.
Callistan
In 2015, there were 907 earthquakes with a magnitude of 3 or greater, the level people can feel them. https://earthquakes.ok.gov/faqs/
EwokPathologist
You're right. My original post was answering a barrage of simple questions like "Can fracking cause earthquakes and, if so, how?".
EwokPathologist
You're right. The question I was asked was "Can fracking cause earthquakes?", which is what I answered. Your response gives more information
LeonardoDaTiddies
Thanks. Hydraulic fracturing has been done in the states for decades and I don't know of any aquifers contaminated by it. Regulation is 1/
LeonardoDaTiddies
definitely necessary, though, because of the risk of shitty casing maintenance, proppant disposal, etc. 2/2
SamaelTheVenomOfGod
Cleaner maybe, but the "fracturing" part of the fracking can have unintended side effects. Accidental fissures into aquifers are not good.
RetConMan
The main problem is not when it's done right, but that IF it is being done, then it will inevitably be done improperly at times.
chloramphenicolderivative
about 1. Drugs aren't screened with IR, and IR is barely used in their identification either. Pointless and wrong simili.
EwokPathologist
This is probably from difference in background. I identify drugs in a research setting with IR when I'm just screening. Otherwise mass spec.
chloramphenicolderivative
Yeah, I'm more used to using nmr to identify molecules in samples. I didn't think of screening as for example sercurity check points.
BluBoxx
Fourier Transform Infrared Spectroscopy is commonly used in drug and material identification.....
chloramphenicolderivative
Not compared to MS or NMR. IR is okay because it's super cheap, but you don't really obtain much information from it if you do organic.
BluBoxx
Bull. FTIR is not only cheap it's also fast and reliable. GC-MS is rarely used for simple ID unless it's in a forensic context. IR 1/
chloramphenicolderivative
2/2 not much information about overall structure. NMR is more powerful and H-NMR takes less than 2 minutes to run.
chloramphenicolderivative
I didn't say GC-MS, I just said MS because getting the molecular weight is incredibly useful. And FTIR only gives functional groups, 1/2
BluBoxx
GC-MS is the most wide spread MS method for drug ID by far. With the exception of very rare instances ICP-MS, IRMS, And other MS methods 1/
BluBoxx
Are simply not used for drug ID in any substantial volume. 2/2
BluBoxx
Is used almost universally for first order drug and material ID's because mass spectrometers and resonance imagers are expensive as shit 2/2
chloramphenicolderivative
The OP only says drugs, and if you can't afford MS/NMR then you can't afford to develop drugs.
BluBoxx
OP was talking about "identifying" drugs not drug development. Almost every security checkpoint at every US airport has an IR system to 1/
BluBoxx
Rapidly screen for drug and explosive materials... Let alone virtually every analytical chemistry lab of note 2/2
Pullout69
Where did this "alternative facts" thing start? Is it satire or is it more dipshit "everyone is right" anti-intellectualism?
theishist
Kellyanne Conway v Chuck Todd interview regarding Spicer flat out lying. She said something like "you have facts, we have alternative facts"
mendelde
"Kellyanne Conway, a senior White House aide, told NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday Spicer had merely been offering 'alternative facts'"
mendelde
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/22/donald-trump-kellyanne-conway-inauguration-alternative-facts
mendelde
https://www.merriam-webster.com/news-trend-watch/conway-alternative-facts-20170122
Pawnderlust
I like essential oils. I add it to my laundry or use it to steam when I have a cold. Using it to replace medicine is ridiculous.
willfullyspooning
They're actually used in hospitals to help with nausea and headaches. It's not a cure all but they have been proven to help with some things
Pawnderlust
They help with minor things & have a role in medicine but it shouldn't be used to replace a medical professional. Like it did with this kid.
Pawnderlust
They help with minor things & have a role in medicine but it shouldn't be used to replace a medical professional. Like it did with this kid.
Pawnderlust
https://www.google.ca/amp/globalnews.ca/news/3198742/tamara-lovett-trial-calgary-mom-charged-in-death-of-7-year-old-son-to-learn-fate-monday
willfullyspooning
Yeah, of course. It's not a replacement for medical treatments and surgeries!
violetlovesjasmine
Like people who believe Vaccines cause autism are gonna read that
OSCgal
People on the fence might read it, and it might help them not buy into the anti-vaxx rhetoric.
EGOT
No one on imgur is anti vax anyway.
QuasarsAndBlazars
Oh you'd be surprised. They just get downvoted to hell and back so they're never seen. I've met flat earthers on here
fe1od1or
My immediate family is anti-vax. So ignorant it hurts.
HighImpactSexualViolence
Ooh sorry to hear that a girl I very briefly dated is as also rabidly anti-vax. I almost hope her kids get measles something. Almost.
LtShed
is it the ignorance that hurts, or is it the measles? (sorry, i saw my shot and i took it)
ideologist
But they didn't get their shot
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tofuroshi
Alternative Facts: Fracking is not the cause of earthquakes http://news.stanford.edu/2015/06/18/okla-quake-drilling-061815/
tofuroshi
Alternative Fact #2: Fracking doesn't harm water http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/4/epa-fracking-doesnt-harm-drinking-water/
MnemonicMonkeys
Actually, the biggest risks associated with fracking are above ground. If a wastewater truck gets in a wreck or a reservoir built for 1/2
MnemonicMonkeys
Storing water before/after use breaks, then it runs off into local fields and watersheds, and the high salt concentrations are what do 2/3
MnemonicMonkeys
The damage. And that is prevented by proper regulation and enforcement. 3/3
browniesftw
regulation they don't want
MnemonicMonkeys
Also, clean coal can be achieved, especially if you use fuel cells. With that process you can isolate the CO2 and sulfur from the 1/2
MnemonicMonkeys
produced water in very high concentrations that are perfect as chemical feedstock for other companies. The only problems are that it 2/3
MnemonicMonkeys
can oversaturate feedstock markets and cause prices (and profitability) to drop if you implement too many plants. Research is also 3/4
MnemonicMonkeys
ongoing to make the entire process more efficient so that profits aren't as dependent on the price of the byproducts. 4/4
GeoTeacher
There is currently no technology that reduces the carbon footprint to zero, or even near zero. Coal plants also release a ton of radiation
GeoTeacher
Did... did you read this? It directly says that the byproducts of fracking cause earthquakes
tofuroshi
Yes, I did, did you read what your professer said was the fact?
GeoTeacher
P.s. Not my professor. A friend of mine. We have an equal education level.
GeoTeacher
I have actually specifically gone to school to learn about all of this. Also, the fact that your source proves the above point?
MnemonicMonkeys
I'm calling bullshit on that, because your bio says you're a behavioral specialist; absolutely no overlap with any of this.
GeoTeacher
I have a geology degree with some crossover in biology. You were saying?
MnemonicMonkeys
Except it doesn't accurately reflect upon the fracking process itself, as there are methods to clean up the water in use and being researche
GeoTeacher
Once again, it is a stupid and dangerous waste of energy when there are better alternatives available anyway
tofuroshi
Fracking does not cause the earthquakes, re-injecting the wastewater/saltwater into unsaturated earth does. Now they know, easy fix.
gwenniechan
Regardless if they eliminate that practice, the existing damage is done. Also, that polluted water will need to go somewhere.
MnemonicMonkeys
You can clean it up. There are already processes in use and even better ones being researched
BluBoxx
Brine injection is an integral part of the fracking process.... You can't just "stop the practice"....
GeoTeacher
Why else would water get re-injected into the ground?
grimmgramm
Ive heard alot of birds get killed by windmills. But I still think they're a better alternative. Any facts regarding this?
peachesforme
48,800 windmills. 214,000 and 368,000 bird deaths from windmills. 74-96 million cats. Birds killed by cats. 3.7 billion.
BluBoxx
Yup and guess how many by fossil fuel plants (hint, 36 times that of wind farms)
Callistan
Birds being killed by turbines is a myth. There is some evidence that they have a negative effect on bats though.
bananastandcheddah
They do kill a lot of bats
bananaranch
If you'd like a full in-depth conversation about wind turbines, I'm a turbine tech. Message me.
grimmgramm
Thanks bananaranch, like I said, i think the good outways the bad.
BuckeyeBTH
Who do you work for? And are you a blades or electric or gearbox tech or combo thereof?
bananaranch
I work for a 3rd party company right now that does blade inspections and composite work. I've done service work for Siemens 1/2
bananaranch
2/2 and that's what I want to get back into
BuckeyeBTH
Ah if you worked for SWP, you know my employer, Winergy. If you've done any work on gbxs and want a desk job let me know. We have an opening
bananaranch
Where? I'm currently in Ontario.
BluBoxx
Several orders of magnitude more birds are killed by domestic cats each year than windmills.....
grimmgramm
For sure. But it might still be worth talking about because it's the type of thing deniers cling to when opposing alternate energy
BluBoxx
Meanwhile coal plants kill over 100 times more birds each year than wind and solar plants combined.... It's a red herring
bananaranch
Not to mention sky scrapers.
peachesforme
48,800 windmills. 214,000 and 368,000 bird deaths from windmills. 74-96 million cats. Birds killed by cats. 3.7 billion.
peachesforme
billions of birds are killed by cats because idiots refuse to get cat trees and keep their cats entertained inside. don't get a cat if 1/
peachesforme
you are going to let it outside to commit genocide
spiderqueendemon
I built a catio for my felines and am saving for a little novelty windmill to do experiments with. Maybe run some LED lights at night.
BluBoxx
Well that and, you know, cats literally evolved to hunt birds and rodents....
peachesforme
correct. and they are from a different area (northern africa) so nothing hear has evolved to combat their honestly great hunting skills.
Angaram
Fully agree, but some source would be nice. To 2: The worst part about windmills is driving behind a transporter. Sooooooo slow.
Howdoilife
WRONG. The worst part about windmills is they steal all our air! /s
EGOT
Super cool to see them on trains tho. There's a rail between Denver and Colorado springs. I've seen them being transported a few times there
BuckeyeBTH
That's cuz one of the major wind turbine manufacturers is outside Denver. Vestas is located in Brighton CO
EGOT
I am surprised I didn't know that. Thanks!
humptyblargh
I don't know what science prof would be unaware CO2 heating is logarithmic. 1,2 and 7 are politics, not science.
BluBoxx
Probably one who actually understand band saturation, radiative transfer, and and thermodynamics (you're incorrect)
t00tie
Ad. 2: I heard that the non-joking worst part is noise pollution. I'm no expert though.
sexycutepopulartoboot
And the noise
LivingInYourIntestines
Also clarifying that only 1/10,000 people have a reaction to vaccines. Not just 'a minority,' but an exceedingly small one.
seeingsalty
As someone who lives in an area that depends on its unaltered landscape for tourist $, the service roads can really fuck with the view. >
seeingsalty
< It sounds very NIMBY, I know, but it's important for us. I'm all for solar panels though.
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Satinsball
Radio towers screw birds up way more. Walk around the base of one and you'll see dead birds
ImMrbulldops
Bats too
TraitorousTrump3
Lol. So does my house. Geese used to land in a field here. Now they shit on my sidewalk.
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TraitorousTrump3
Well, they used to feed in the field where my house now is, so yeah.
BluBoxx
Yea, windmills have the same impact as any built structure... They aren't magical bird fucking devices...
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Dayrest
The source is Reddit. Or, the source is a university science prof. He/she is a source.
iDrawStuff
Reminds of an argument I overheard with a .phd who was accused of arguing from authority, to which they responded "I AM the authority."
FuckYourMorality
They are a memory bank of information. They are a source of information. They are not, a source of evidence, of which there is plenty for 1/
FuckYourMorality
to support the arguments made above. 2/2
Dayrest
You know what I meant. Don't be pedantic.
FuckYourMorality
I'm not being pedantic. The professor is not an accurate source of evidence.
LastGhettoAstronaut
Professor Nevar Naymd to be exact. He's well known for not being credited for his research which is always posted on the internet. Poor guy.
NoMoreRhymesNowIMeanIt
Upvote because I actually typed it into Google.
whattiemisit
Ooooooohhhhh.....you tricky little....i almost looled him up
deathpeppers
Animal scientist here. Over-prescribing drugs to humans has increased antimicrobial resistance more than use in food animals.
EwokPathologist
I agree completely. I was just asked repeatedly about whether or not animal feed contributed.
ibleedgolden
Clinical nutrition student here. Over prescribing these as well as people not taking them their prescribed length has contributed wildly.
mendelde
There's a controversy about length, some say short courses = less selection pressure = fewer resistant strains.
mendelde
What blew my mind, though, was this: https://academic.oup.com/jac/article/56/2/441/837338/Duration-of-antibiotic-treatment-are-even-numbers
banned20times
I doubt that, strongly. a person may get and use over-perscribed antibiotics a couple, maybe 3 or even 4 times a YEAR whereas they
deathpeppers
This is apples and oranges. Food is tested HEAVILY and is antibiotic free. I can't stress that enough.
banned20times
are likely to consume flesh from 20 to 30 different animals per week
rawrfrawrf
1 I'm skeptical, but understand that I'm ignorant on the topic. Could you explain? Wouldn't the scale of industrial animal agriculture
rawrfrawrf
2 mean the opportunity to develop resistance would be orders of magnitude greater than with over-prescribed antibiotics for human use?
rawrfrawrf
3 Feel free to msg directly if typing in comments is annoying.
v3rmilion
No, the problem with people is once they feel better they stop talking the drugs, but there's a reason you're prescribed 30 days worth
nerdyvet
Veterinarian here, same same. There IS an effect, but the overuse in humans and even PETS has more effect than CURRENT livestock procedures
banned20times
I doubt that, strongly. a person may get and use over-perscribed antibiotics a couple, maybe 3 or even 4 times a YEAR whereas they
banned20times
are likely to consume flesh from 20 to 30 different animals per week
nerdyvet
1) There are virtually NO antibiotic residues in meat. 2) antibiotic resistance from food animals originates from changes to "ambient"--
nerdyvet
populations. It makes the run-off E.coli from a dairy farm resistant, which may contaminate someone's poorly handled spinach.3) re-read #2-
Asshattle
Collistin resistance was entirely due to its use in animals in China because it was cheap.
nerdyvet
I looked into this and no one has mentioned the clinical significance of this change. Polymixin is a last-resort drug in t he first place-
nerdyvet
and NOT due to it's power/importance in the way Vancomycin is, but because it can fry kidneys. I've also, in the US or AUS, never seen--
nerdyvet
a college use Polymixin in livestock. It seems thus far they have isolated resistant bacteria in many places, but not in any clinical cases-
peachesforme
I think i'd rather listen to microbiologists and virologists about antibiotics as that is their life study
deathpeppers
I work in immunology and micro within animal species. This is my life's work.
caitilator
As a vet student, the animal science/veterinary science community learns so much about this. We don't jus learn about animal health, (1)
caitilator
We also learn about human health including Antimicrobial resistance in animals AND humans. Our profession knows and learns just as much. (2)