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I understand when someone's circumstances change and they can no longer afford their pet, but so many animals are just abandoned here (UK). You can give up a pet to a charity with no shame or blame but some just get dumped :(
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ceq9g31v88ro.amp
KlobberSaurus
Good for you Scotland.
phalanxausage
This is the most beautiful fantasy for those of us here in the US, especially those of us who live in areas where dogs can be kept outside year round. God, I wish the pieces of shit around me weren't allowed to have their dogs.
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
This is good. But any good shelter in the UK does these sorts of checks.
carrotsonfire
Not sure it'll work since they can just pop to England and get one and come back.
RealityInflicted
"Do not serve your animal deepfried mars bars."
BodyofaGodBuddha
Cool, now do kids
fiorideiliberi11
Finally someone did it!
Violaquin
Scotland being all like “let’s ensure care for everyone in society, especially out pets”. Meanwhile, here in the Divided Dumpsterfire of Muricaland…
Fitzapollo
I know this is a good practice after thinking about it, but when I got my most recent dog and unexpectedly had to sit through some young twerp asking me a dozen dumbass questions about what would make me "return" the dog, I was like "It's my dog. Why the fuck would I give you my dog instead of taking the time to socialize and train it?"
I grew up with dogs and have always had multiple animals. It wasn't until later I remembered that some people are just expecting a warm stuffed animal.
CommanderMarcus
Shelters are like Tinder, but instead of swiping left, you swipe away the entitled owners who neglect their pets.
Alfredgarvin
"Shelters should have a 'can you handle a child' quiz before adoption. 'Do you enjoy being woken up at 3am? Are you okay with sharing your food?'"
sircowdog
It's about time. I live in place where there are dog-owners on FIVE sides. None of them are responsible. Barking 24/7. Whining dogs left outside while their owners go to work. Destroyed back yards.
I only hope this law one day comes to america.
RoutemasterFlash
We should have dog licences which can be revoked for REPEATEDLY LEAVING THEIR SHIT ALL OVER THE PLACE, YOU LAZY, ENTITLED FUCKHEADS.
CmdrAdama
What’s Scottish for ‘oi, have you gotta loicense?’
TheVampireDante
You stare at the owner, point at the animal and say "License now, prick."
RubberBabyBuggyBumpersBabysittingService
After my Nan passed a rang a cat shelter to find a home for her fairly unfriendly cat. The woman was so rude to me, even after I explained I was just trying to find a home for it. I none of the close family could take her in so a shelter was our logical last step. If other experience the same thing I get it. I doubt most even try though.
Feralkyn
I think a lot have your experience, & also a lot of no-kill shelters are often full to capacity just because they are no-kill and there's so many more surrenders than adoptions. It can be really hard to give up pets, even with the emotional aspect set aside.
theimgurappsucksballs
ShadeMeadowsArt
How did you post a video on the comments??
theimgurappsucksballs
ShadeMeadowsArt
😭 I wanna know!!
Grum1o
We had a lovely staffy called Arnoe that we rehimed from Leigh cats and dogs home quite a few years ago. He was awesome. Sadly, when our child arrived he didn't cope well. We gave it about 3 years before enough was enough (he was great with our daughter, just kept destroying the house) so, sadly, we had no choice but to leave him with the RSPCA in Warrington after the Dogs Trust refused to take him. That was a Thursday. Sunday came and, unbeknownst to us, my dad had rang the RSPCA to see *part1*
Grum1o
*part2* how he was doing and was told he would likely be put down as he wasn't 'desirable'. I had a call from my dad on the Monday just as I was finishing work asking me to call round to theirs. I opened the front door and i was greeted by Arnie! From one of the worst days to one of the best. And yes, I'm crying as I type this. RIP Arnie, say hello to Max and Jake for us xx
clipboardfuntime
The humane society where I got my cat had a similar checklist and has everyone sign an agreement that you won’t get your cat declawed. There’s a couple short answer questions such as “what is your plan if your cat starts scratching your furniture?” And “where is the closest 24 hour vet to your residence?”
Easy questions but makes the person adopting the animal take these into consideration before adoption.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Good. That's one half of the equation. The other is outlawing puppy mills and dog sales in pet shops. Only allow non-professional level, small scale breeding by responsible private parties in addition to adoption until the shelters are empty. And of course only healthy breeds without crippling deformities.
thesmelge
UK doesn't sell dogs in pet shops. At the most they have an adoption wall. Puppy mills are also banned, but they keep shipping them in from Northern Ireland.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
That's good to know. Germany has a very mixed record on this. I remember seeing kittens and puppies in pet shops when I was a kid, then it was outlawed at some point, and since 2008 it's sadly legal again (fuck conservatives) but they have to keep them in a room with a certain minimum size instead of a cage. Two steps forward, one and a half back
SilentScreamsX
I'm struggling after a recent separation has left me with just a single income. My dog is a giant Spanish Mastiff/Great Pyrenees cross and he's such a handful and expensive to keep. He's also got hip displaysia and needs regular medication & hydrotherapy to keep it manageable (the operation to fix it is out of the question, way too expensive).
I know I should give him up to charity, but I love him so damn much. He's the only thing keeping me going sometimes. I'll go hungry to make sure he's ok.
SilentScreamsX
I also don't trust that anyone else would put up with such a difficult dog. He's 60kg, he's energetic, he's hairy, and he barks like...well like a Pyrenees. I'm scared to death that he'd end up abandoned if anyone else took him on.
Feralkyn
I bet that mfer BOOFs
SilentScreamsX
Absolutely. He's basically a Pyrenees with more bass.
RandomStuffsandThings
Clicked because I saw the good boy so I wanted to read the article. Then I saw the 100% battery, OP practices witchcraft!
Emuc64
Mine's all tethered to the wall outlet. 100%, just not portable.
Bobby360
Ha ha ha
IndigoThursday
I don't know how things are in Scotland, but I can give an example for England. When our mum died, my sister and I had to find homes for her cats, urgently. We phoned round every shelter in Worcestershire and the west midlands, and nowhere had space. We were quite desperate, and had begun a plan of deserting them on the doorstep of the nearest shelter with a donation attached. We managed to find a stranger from the internet to take one and a friend to take the other 2, before we went that far.
Feralkyn
Yup, when you only have "no kill" shelters, they are often full to capacity almost all the time. I remember calling 60+ places and not only were all overfull, I had offers to straight-up euthanize the animals, trap/neuter/release (despite them not being strays), and could hear DEAFENING meowing/barking in the background of quite a few. The pet issues definitely need to be addressed more at teh source: spaying/neutering + responsible ownership & breeding.
Feralkyn
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CyberWizard252
The Humane Society where I live has strict rules about adoption. They care greatly about placing animals in good homes. Their fees are higher, they have a waiting period, all members of the household must visit the animal in the shelter. Unfortunately it means that the shelter is often full as shelters in nearby neighbourhoods have fewer animals in their care as they have low fees and few rules. People just find ways around proving they can care for the animals and paying the higher fees.
Feralkyn
It's much, much better to have something federal because people just buy from backyard breeders etc. in situations like this. "Why would I pay $400 and fill out a bunch of forms for a mutt when I can get a purebred puppy?" ...and like, I kinda get that. The costs at some shelters are insane and the loops just mean bad owners are gonna get dogs from worse places. I'd rather see "...but it's free if you attend this two-hour training and ownership course."
Feralkyn
Germany also does it well in that when you BUY a dog, it needs to be registered *and* insured. Costly, but it means not everyone will have pets, and if you own certain breeds they have to be trained for the insurance reasons.
ProfessorVanDiggenSagg
"The new law is a member's bill introduced by SNP MSP Christine Graham, who has been pushing for changes for more than seven years." Seven years well spent, I say.
grannystabber
I'm happy for the dogs getting more rites and all that but this is basically in the same vein as Hitler being an animal rites advocate
Ragolin
She's our MSP! She rocks... not a massive fan of the SNP, but she's one of the good ones
wingweaver415
Seven years to do it. Glad its done but god damn, the world we live in to make sure a puppy gets treated well.
kinarism
TBF, we still have governors in the US bragging about killing puppies because they couldn't hunt well enough as a point of pride instead of a point of shame.
Vonph
That's a lot of dog years
kinarism
Unless she's a dog. In which case, this bill passed very quickly.
Sticklebrickk
CrumpetsWithHoneyAreCrumpetsWithBeeVomit
Honest to God in down for this. My neighbours have two medium star dogs, admittedly in a large byard, but they never walk them. They take them out occasionally camping or whatever but inbetween those animals are left in a yard with minimal contact for weeks and weeks on end. Then when these poor creatures start destroying their yard through boredom, these prick neighbours come over and scream at me about how me watering my garden is the reason. The water sounds make them go crazy because it's 2
CrumpetsWithHoneyAreCrumpetsWithBeeVomit
Literally the only stimulus they get day to day, the sound of water on a fence. I've had a big falling out with these people because I'm not responsible for the behaviour of their poorly treated animals that live you know... With them. It's a fucking joke to not walk your farm dogs who have bucket loads of energy age then to blame your neighbours for their destructive tendencies. These people should not be allowed for animals. Full-stop.
CrumpetsWithHoneyAreCrumpetsWithBeeVomit
Typos
Helixninja333
Part of me who has dealt with shit kids/parents: "Can we do this for kids too??" Part of me that understands current events: "I apologize on their behalf as that's a *TERRIBLE* idea."
blup101
DarkwingDuc
There are a lot of things that could be really good practices if they weren't so easily exploitable.
UncleVenoM
No, your idea is not new and not one that works and will more likely get you in trouble rather then affect the change you're seeking
Zoroasterisk
I have a modest proposal...
Colopty
It'll boost the economy for sure.
notsureofanything
I wish but it always turns into eugenics real quick.
ICheckUsernameAndSuch
As much as the idea of limiting how many kids folks have may sound good in theory, in practice it would be FAR too fraught with potential for abuse, manipulation, and other forms of fuckery.
What we need is proper education and support programs for folks to empower them to make informed decisions on if/when to have children, as well as a large variety of freely available forms of contraception to match individual needs.
Unfortunately, we're not getting that anytime soon. So here we are.
Slickdoodle
Pretty much starts out as eugenics. It just hides in the "I'm not the bad guy."
Slickdoodle
Narrator: "He was, in fact, the bad guy."
Spidermonkey969696
I mean, to help the kids without doing eugenics, you can just add more child support social services. Most bad parents aren't bad because they want to be.
I often feel that pet ownership should be more that way too, whenever they add new standards, they inevitably make it so poor people can't afford pets. In most cases, I'd rather help someone pay the vet bills than deny them a pet. Especially if the pet would just be put down otherwise.
Misora
I never understood the logic of there's some charities out there that will take a pet that needs expensive medical treatment from a family, give them the treatment, then adopt them out to a different family. There's no guarantee that new family could afford a surprise $10k vet bill either.
Slickdoodle
Right? I've seen more than one video/article about how homeless people treat their pets better than a whole lot of other demographics. Yeah, yeah. I know. It's anecdotal.
BrdCdn
Yeah no. I've seen the dogs in homeless camps in my city and they look rough. Alot of them get them to guard their belongings and don't really care about their welfare and value aggression.
BrdCdn
No I don't want to help others with vet bills. Pet ownership is a personal choice and a responsibility. It's not a damn right. The government has no business subsidizing pet ownership.
Spidermonkey969696
It is a personal choice and a responsibility, and I can also recognize that in many contexts it leads to positive health outcomes. There's all the tests they've done with giving stray cats to inmates who have good behavior, both benefit. Old people who live alone live longer and have better mental outcomes if they have a dog or cat. Therapy dogs. People with autoimmune diseases who have to live isolated from others. In many cases I think it is part of Healthcare.
BrdCdn
In some edge cases when backed by peer reviewed medical studies I wouldn't be opposed to some form of prescription based support for those who truly may have some medical justification for it. Otherwise no it's a personal choice and shouldn't get a dime of taxpayer support. Non pet owners already heavily subsidize things for pet owners like animal control and dog parks and other related infrastructure. With limited money to go around further support isn't anywhere near a priority.
notsureofanything
I’m a vet and while I want to agree I have also seen the benefits of children growing up with pets regardless of socioeconomic background. The reason vet services are expensive is because HUMAN medicine is driving up prices cause insurance companies are evil. It also because most my graduating class had around $200-300,000 in loans. That like a $2000 month payment and barely bringing the principle down.
BrdCdn
1/ Well then government should tackle the insurance issue to lower costs instead of just subsidizing overpriced treatment. I get it can help people to have a pet but not as much as spending that same amount of government money on human healthcare and mental health programs. It's especially unfair to just provide free vet care as all dogs are not equal. I'm against subsidizing specialized care for exotic breeds. If we are going to the point of free care then it should be restricted to one or two
BrdCdn
2/ breed that statistically have the longest and healthiest lifespans with the least amount of medical cost over their lifespans. So some sort of small dog breed I imagine. Anything else is a luxury that offers no public benefit.
thesmelge
You know what else we need to ban here? Prong and shock collars. Every time I try to look up advice on training my dog, it's always some American claiming they love their dog then strapping on a prong collar and tugging it hard enough to make it yelp.
You're not training your dog, you're making it fear being hurt by you.
thesmelge
Anyone trying to buy either a prong collar or an e-collar should be made to wear it first and have someone yank on it or electrocute them a few times and see how they fucking like it.
It says a lot about a person when they'd rather inflict pain than spend time doing proper training.
Feralkyn
I've only ever seen one use for a prong collar that was any good and that was to save the dog's life when nothing else worked, and applied well--once--it solved the problem permanently and did subsequently save its life. That being said, most of those tools are not used, but MISused and ABused by ignorant morons who think that force and pain are acceptable alternatives to patient guidance, inspiration of the animal's drives, & teaching. Shock collars I've NEVER seen good use for, & I'm glad they
Feralkyn
are banned where I live.
Feralkyn
(If anyone is curious: it was a dog that bolted on occasion if and when it thought it could get away with it, often straight for traffic. A second, lightweight line with the prong collar was left on and attached to a stake, and the command STOP was given right before the dog hit the prong collar on its next attempt to bolt. One sharp yank--pain, no damage mind--flipped him on his butt. Sucked, but the next time the dog got loose & bolted for traffic, "STOP" made him STOP.)
thesmelge
The question then is why was the dog loose somewhere it could get to traffic if it bolts for traffic. That's mismanagement by the owners.
Feralkyn
Oh, he wasn't loose. He'd bolt on leash or leap fences etc. Any time the escape was patched up he'd find another, actual escape artist. The "STOP" thing wasn't a great solution but it worked the one time he got out again afterward, and it was better than becoming meat paste on the asphalt.
WoopDeFrickenDoo
good, bring that to the US.. all the shelters are full of pitbulls mass bred by dipshits (and the they are great dogs, but they are raised by assholes often).
BrdCdn
It's a breed that should honestly just be banned for future breeding. Let the live ones live out their lives and have them eventually disappear. No one needs a pitbull specifically.
WoopDeFrickenDoo
they attract jerks because of their reputation in society, dogs raised poorly behave badly. If you take PBs out of the equation (extinct them as you propose) there'l be another "scary" dog that ends up in shelters. Before PBs were all the rage starting in the 80's they were considered nanny dogs and model citizens, and it was Rottweilers and Dobermans that were in this predicament.
WoopDeFrickenDoo
Just like the myth of "lockjaw" for PBs, Dobermans had a myth started in the 70's that they will turn on you after a certain age because of their "small skull" squeezing their brain and causing them to suddenly turn on their owners no matter what. That was bullshit too.
WoopDeFrickenDoo
and PB's weren't bred to be dog fighters from the start, they were bull baiters and later farm dogs when that became outlawed. Then scumbags descended on them
BrdCdn
The lockjaw may be a myth yes, but they actually do have incredible bite strength compared to most breeds and have the tendency to trash when they attack. Their bites do far worse damage than most breeds. There's no reason anyone needs a pitbull. Tons of breeds that are far safer. Owners will continue to be shitty and always have. Theres no reason to not ban their breeding and at least minimize damage. There are hundreds of other breeds to choose from.
beaubrent
Now do parents.
SmoeAhsolse
I don't think any amount of government regulation will make babies responsible about who they choose for parents.
Zamm005
Do you want eugenics?... Cos that's how we get eugenics
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
I often do parents.
TheOldSchoolisBack
Aksuuuh
No but it will fix the relationship!!
RoutemasterFlash
Yay, human breeding licences! There are definitely no bad precedents for this and it definitely couldn't be used for bad purposes.
SixSixxtySix
Sounds a bit Third Reich-ish...
AnarchX1
beaubrent
Wow, some of you replying to me need to read the article. It is a checklist you sign, not a license. You just pop off with no facts about government control, outrage porn.
mebe21
It's less about the specifics of this example and more about the risks associated with any sort of eugenics. I'd rather have people react this strongly than compromise and let us slowly slide into socially acceptable eugenics.
ninjaguineapig
Do you really want government to decide who is allowed to reproduce?
Slickdoodle
The answer to that question is exactly the same reason I'm against the death penalty.
OctopusBaroness
I want the government to provide access to resources that support and help those who struggle when that same government has eliminated any choice I have in the matter.
SecondSince
Depends on the government. Letting everyone just freely pop out kids without restraint hasn't exactly gone great either.
Slickdoodle
Well, population growth by "freely pop(ing) out kids" seems to be declining. So, are you advocating for MORE popping? Elmo is.
ballsoutflyer
Not that much of a leap if you think about it. We already have divorce courts, custody hearings, family law, marriage licencing, foster systems and adoption places.
leaderofthedamned
The average cost in my state in the USA to adopt a child is between 30k and 60k. I am more than able to feed, clothe, care, and cover the cost for a child each year. However, the upfront cost is a literal preventative for me.
Make adoption cheaper for those who meet the requirements if you want kids adopted.
iusedtodream
And look how well that's working!
ballsoutflyer
BEARD3DBEANIEE
Could be an optional thing that breaks down the costs, hours, etc. the government doesn't decide they inform the people you definitely shouldn't have a kid.
If it was the governments decision they'd only breed stupid people out in the boondocks to fully create Idiocracy IRL
painstream
Yes, at least inform people. Doesn't have to be a law to stop people from having children, but better education on ALL the costs in time, emotional toll, money, etc might get at least a few more people to be more careful.
Spidermonkey969696
What you're describing is parenting classes and they already exist. In some highschools they even do the whole robot baby thing.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I did that in highschool but it was an optional class most people didn't take. Especially boys, I think we only had two in the whole class.
BEARD3DBEANIEE
Are the parenting classes free?
homoerection
I bet you could find free parenting classes 🤷🏼♂️
unluckyandbored
So, eugenics then?
QuiteBitterBeing
Sounds bad both ways but letting idiots have 20 kids hasn't been very good for the world and in reality is hurting our advancement as a species. In nature the best survive, in our society the worst do too and they breed the most.
Larktonguesinadicecup
Yeah that's Eugenics. you get to decide who the worst are, right?
QuiteBitterBeing
I'm not advocating for it. It doesn't work with empathy. But when we breed plants we don't do it for deformities or worse attributes. Logically it works, but it's monstrous in concept.
QuiteBitterBeing
I wouldn't pass the cut either dude.