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edasm
You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. When the facts change, the smart change with them.
walkintheshadows
Yes, be like Bill and take the money.
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
Almost every food is a GMO. Almost every Citrus is a GMO. Broccoli, Bananas, Figs, Cauliflower, Almonds, all 100% GMO.
ArtArchive
If Trump became like Bill, his first tweet would probably be something about jailing everyone who doesn't agree with him.
WynterRose2017
Bill... The same Bill that said people who doubt some aspects of the global warming myth should be imprisoned? That Bill? Hes a douche.
drunkarius
for anyone curious about actual science: http://climate.nasa.gov/
drunkarius
Also, surprising no-one, that's a complete misrepresentation of what he actually said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlk4Lt__Sn0
bleyjo
"The best thing about science is that it's true regardless if you believe it or not."
omgIDidntKnewICouldChangeMyUsername
The worst thing about science is that we don't know if we are wrong and will get mocked in 100 years for believing the science we have today
malorn13
This. +1
Schmedes
So he publicly voiced his opinion on the matter BEFORE looking into it? Be slightly like Bill.
majidaniel
I think this every time i see this post...
bigmee
Fair enough. I'll upvote you back up to one point.
unclek
I love science as much as anyone, but screw him and his ego. Unpopular .jpg
MoreAshyThanLarry
I'm against GMOs, said no starving person ever
naishpaddle
But the GMO crops haven't changed anything https://nyti.ms/2dR9DRr
CorrelationDoesNotImplyCausation
But those statistics are heavily confounded by differences *other* than the simple "GMO allowed or not"! Better machinery = Better yield.
SJohnson23
What if GMOs caused their starvation?
plebianmaximus
Then you get The Windup Girl
CyborgScribe
Then you get The Windup Girl.
chargeling
(because some big company (you know wich one I mean) gave them away for free once and now nothing else grows on that field anymore.)
CyborgScribe
Then you get The Windup Girl.
BluBoxx
They didn't. In fact the only reason we have the amount of food produced each year presently is due to genetic modification.
Halflingflinger
Bullshit. You're confusing genetic engineering with cultivation.
BluBoxx
Additional People haven't died of starvation since then. 2/2
BluBoxx
No, I'm referring to the fact that direct genetic modification during the green revolution in the late 60's is the only reason 3-4 billion 1
HailToUltron
GMO isn't the issue, it's the massive use of RoundUp running off fields and killing vegetation in waterways/wetlands, making super weeds.
kevinbaken
All 22 oz of it per football field *sigh* Check your sources, farmers laugh at this
ComradeSillyOtter
As a person literally living in a rural community.. Please don't attack glyphosphate too much, it's literally the safest we have.
previoustopcomment
you know what the alternative is? Massive use of "natural/organic pesticides", yes organic farms use them, and they are probably worse.
ComradeSillyOtter
Thank you!
K100Rider
Glphosate is poison and it does not wash off.
ILikeQuiteHeavyMetal
Glphosate is super-dooper extremely toxic. Glyphosate on the other hand is fairly innocuous
BoredAFAtWork
I used to like Nye. Then I realized he was kind of a douche.
zedisdead
What a joke. He's not a scientist. He's a mere engineer. What a fraud. Bill, go play scientist somewhere else. Europe would luv you!
ComradeSillyOtter
Yet he is beloved. Hard to deny his general contributions to science, is it?
JonRedcorn862
Hitler was beloved, hard to deny his contributions to rocketry.
ComradeSillyOtter
What an insane comparison. Bill Nye has created dozens of 'wacky' scientific oriented videos intended to inspire the youth to pursue science
xtraa
If you want to find the truth, just follow the path of the money. Nothing is as science as this.
lesscancerous
pretty sure I could buy this guy an opinion for less than ten grand
gallagher118365
Brought to you by Monsanto.
bigdaddyfatpants
Monsanto was bought by Bayer. So let's thank Bayer or as I always like to use Dow. Screw Dow.
Blastergv9
First twit: "I have been mistaken about a great many things"
Dedeurmetdebaard
That's kind of a Thorin thing to say.
DatDarthCaedus
"Guys, I fucked up."
stresstwig
2nd: i have kicked bannon, preibus, and miller to the curb and fired conway.
TeDmund
You forgot the 'Sad'
TruckerJj
I have been mistaken by many things. especially things that go against me. SAD!
TeDmund
'I will study this dumb "science"'
DoctaJones
calm down there Palpatine
nahlej
That would be one long, long list
xoverthirtyx
Goddamnit! It's not GMOs themselves it's the ONE goddamn company pushing them & the opposition to labeling the things we ingest.
GreatTeacherMichael
There are multiple GMO companies, and most of the criticisms are made up or apply to all seeds, even organics.
JhericFury
You know there's loads of companies who make GMOs right? I'm all for regulation, but if Monsanto is a monopoly so is coca cola.
kuraken
True. "Monsanto is bad - down with GMOs" is like saying "There are corrupt pharmaceutical companies - down with medicine"
snipekill1997
xoverthirtyx
Anything being ingested is relevant esp if it's man-made.
previoustopcomment
May as well just label them as contains DNA and proteins, like all food, your body doesn't care where DNA and proteins come from.
Mohawklynx
The fact companies fight legislation that makes them tell you what's inside food scares me.
snipekill1997
required for life. And people don't complain about getting sick after eating tomatoes which are super high in MSG. Did you ever (3)
snipekill1997
wonder why it says no *added* MSG? They fear unfounded reactionism hurting their products, they don't fear rational informed people. (4)
snipekill1997
glutamate. People latched onto MSG because it sounded scary, but you know what? MS is basically half of salt and G is an amino acid (2)
snipekill1997
It's the MSG problem. The guy who came up with "Chinese restaurant syndrome" gave 3 possibilities, alcohol, salt, and monosodium (1)
glaug
Bill needs to come back to Maryland and face justice for what he did
beardedcynic
Please elaborate, I've not heard about this.
glaug
I'm glad you asked! People need to know what he's done. On 29 November 2004, William Sanford Nye of Santa Monica, CA was charged with >>
glaug
>> failure to obey a properly-placed traffic control device on Conway St. in Baltimore. He neither paid his $75 fine nor appeared in court.
xtraa
If you want to find the truth, just follow the path of the money. Nothing is as science as this.
Fukyu2dei
People get grants to show companies what they need to show for profit... Science is a capitalist Bitch for the last 50 years
Mechro
I followed the money. I found that most published criticism of GMO is by organic lobbyists and Greenpeace.
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Mechro
https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/09/24/organic-industry-spends-big-on-unconventional-lobbying/
xtraa
Even Wikipedia would reject that as a source. But that's ok, I respect rightwing eco-creationists.
Mechro
http://www.science20.com/science_20/organic_lobbyists_petition_to_prevent_usda_from_having_organic_food_oversight-138814
Mechro
Who's a right wing eco creationist?
SlicedSides
This is Bill. Bill thinks climate change doubters should be in prison. Dont be a communist like Bill, and respect the right to have opinions
BluBoxx
This is SlicedSides. SlicedSides thinks we don't know that Nye actually supports corporations who knowingly committed fraud being charged 1/
BluBoxx
With committing fraud for lying about the reality and dangers of climate change, just like tobacco execs did in the past. Don't be an 2/
BluBoxx
Idiot like SlicedSides and lie about public figures because you don't personally like them 3/3
SlicedSides
Do your research before you insult someone. http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/14/bill-nye-open-criminal-charges-jail-time-climate-c
BluBoxx
Take your own advice, he says it right in the video, that he supports jail time for executives who willfully lied about AGW and its 1/
BluBoxx
Danger just like the execs of tobacco companies. He uses that exact comparison. You've only dug yourself deeper kid 2/2
SlicedSides
Says the one with all the downvotes lmao. Keep down voting me I can take it. You're the one digging yourself a deeper hole.
BluBoxx
Im not in a hole, and your just wrong. Advocating executives who commit fraud being charged with fraud isn't a crazy stance.
tylerstubs
So what you're saying is, Don't look for science or evidence, just trust that guy from TV.
BluBoxx
Or.... Listen to that guy from TV while he explains the science and evidence and then follow the evidence he has shown
FairyGodzilla
You win a cookie. Don't ask what's in it.
RoboticTurtle
Wait really? As far as I know he's only ever "admitted he was wrong" about one thing, and that was after he was confronted about it.
RoboticTurtle
He may be a great celebrity science educator, but as a man he appears to be as egotistical and arrogant as a stereotypical celebrity.
PietroAretino
I mean thats cool, can you provide links to the articles/references?
webmdontheAT
http://dels.nas.edu/Past-Events/Forum-Scientific-Society-Leaders/AUTO-5-80-52-G
SLTWWS
THANK YOU! I went down 20+ comments to give you upvote numbah 5. This guy's got the right followup to such a statement! Keep being you!!!
bigdaddyfatpants
www.trumpu.edu
TheNextPresident
"After reviewing the overwhelming evidence supporting immigration being good for the economy, I am making Nordstrom pay for the wall."
kuraken
0 economic reports say immigration in SWE costs less than 60 billion/year (crime, etc. isn't even included). Swedes are literally starving.
kuraken
75000 Swedish seniors are starving to death. Over 230000 are living under the poverty line. Marxist gov sold out the people for power.
EugeneMchandsome
What the fuck are you talking about?
kuraken
Google "75000 pensionärer", etc. The sources are very accessible. This isn't obscure data. It's been reported by the Swedish state TV & MSM.
TheNextPresident
Better build a wall Sweden and Denmark.
kuraken
Our surrounding nations see our nation as a quarantine zone used as an example of where virtue signaling and multiculturalism will get you.
TheNextPresident
I'm sure a lot of white supremacists are eager to blame that instead of your woefully inadequate economy.
TheNextPresident
To be less snarky, Sweden also accepted a flood of refugees they weren't economically prepared for, the U.S. doesn't face that issue.
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TheNextPresident
Oh hey, you seem to be a stupid asshole completely ignorant as to what you're talking about. Get ready to go to school.
FragileReality
I think I love you
TheNextPresident
5) (final) SS and Medicare are the biggest contibutors to our debt and immigrants only improve the budget for both.
TheNextPresident
4) The rate at which our debt has grown has shrunk tremendously as deficits shrank all throughout the past 8 years.
TheNextPresident
3) Immigrants pay about $13B a year into social security and only take $1B out.
TheNextPresident
1) Immigrants pay billions more into Medicare than they take out. http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11606-015-3418-z
TheNextPresident
2) Immigrants pay up to $11.6B in taxes every year.
kuraken
Not an argument. That could just as easily (if not more) be a response to your comment.
groundhogsday
Very few people think GMO foods pose a *medical* risk. It's that they pose a *corporate takeover of the food supply* risk. GMO = DRM of food
lesscancerous
They are also closely related to government subsidies, factory farming and shitty monocropping techniques. Bad for diet and the environment.
ComradeSillyOtter
How? Long before GMO's, farmers bought seeds from comps. Do I hear a monopoly? Yes. But companies had the seeds way before GMOs, for reason
BluBoxx
Most anti-GMO people believe they pose a medical risk....
JhericFury
You know conventional seeds have pretty much the same business practise, few people use wild seeds, very low yield.
groundhogsday
Conventional seeds are not copyrighted. Non-hybrid seeds, which are just fine, yieldwise, can even be "reused".
Sludgesoda
1) Patent, not copyright 2) Non-GMO seeds can be patented too,although the similar Plant Variety Protection Act (PVPA) is more commonly used
Oldworldgonetohello
Monsanto will sue a farmer who reseeds from plants from their seeds, even if your neigbor had monsanto, and their crops pollinated yours.
ComradeSillyOtter
Farmers have no interest in 're-using' seeds, actually. Source: Farmer family, farming community
groundhogsday
But the choice should be preverved, right? Otherwise monopoly or worse.
ComradeSillyOtter
Of course. But I don't blame Monsanto at all for making sure farmers can't just re-use their investment right after.
jfd8u438fdsfkds
You must have met very few people.
whatupmyknitters
i have a friend with a BS in microbiology who thinks GMOs pose a medical risk. not that she's representative of any but herself, of course.
eddyfinnso
Interesting. I can tell you in my graduating class of chemists biochemists no one believed GMOs are a risk to anything but biodiversity.
ForbinDallas
It's not that difficult to get a BS in anything. She's wrong.
whatupmyknitters
it's not a question of the difficulty. it's that she learned all this information and is still on the side against GMOs.
doctorbees
As a toxicologist, the medical concern is the pesticides they use. That's it. The food itself is fine.
JhericFury
And yet, surprisingly, few countries ban those pesticides, or the "natural" pesticides organic crops can use.
doctorbees
Yeah. I'm also baffled at how many people think organic means no pesticides.
JhericFury
Worse pesticides mostly, at least synthetic pesticides are custom built, natural ones tend to kill everything and persist longer.
RedWineAndSkyrim
That and dumping pesticides on our crops like they do with GMOs is bound to have some nasty unintended consequences
IShouldBeStudyingRightNowInsteadOfBrowsingImgur
Scrolled down to find this. Glad someone said it.
endeavour1a
Grow regular seeds, problem?
superseriouscomments
I am all for GMO, but I think I've heard that there actually is a problem. Not sure if that was a conspiracy theory, though.
superseriouscomments
Something about expensive mandatory licensing, which was passed to hinder monsanto but does the opposite or something like that.
jridley
Farmer next field over has GMO crops. Pollen drifts into your field. Your next year's seed now has their DNA. Monsanto sues you. It happens.
LordCastellanCreedtheSupremeCommanderofCadia
Except that has never happened. You're perpetuating a myth started by the anti-gmo movement.
CyanideSprite
They have been in a LOT of lawsuits over this. The fact that something self-replicating can be patented is the issue since over time 1
CyanideSprite
more and more crops will naturally contain the patented DNA, whether it's desired or not. They have only a non-binding statement 2
ComradeSillyOtter
For a farmer? Yea.
eddyfinnso
Lower yield thus less money for already poor farmers. But corporate seeds have to be licensed. Either way kinda sucks.
endeavour1a
Cruel world.
eddyfinnso
Higher food prices would help the farmers but then everyone would complain about the higher prices.
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
What if I don't want to eat GMO food because Monsanto are assholes and turned growing food into a licensing system. Bring back labels!
naishpaddle
https://nyti.ms/2dR9DRr
IDontSeeEnoughDarkTowerOnImgur
That's not what labeling's for.
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
I know the intent of labeling. I found a better use for it than the intended purpose. Sort of like how Viagra started as a heart med.
Mechro
Monsanto didn't start seed patents. They're pretty much standard across all commercial agriculture.
Halflingflinger
Monsanto isn't alone, just the biggest. Whether they started it or not is irrelevant.
Mechro
Yeah... maybe after the merger. They're not the biggest, just the most vilified.
Mechro
My point was that patents are not exclusive to gmo's. Even organic seeds can be patented.
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
Just one example. My wife's dad, granddad, and great granddad did not need to pay a company for the right to grow food.
Mechro
They still don't. They're entirely free to grow any non patented seed varieties.
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
I should also be free to not support patented seed varieties, no matter if I don't trust them (not the case) or don't support them.
Mechro
Even organic farmers buy patented seeds.
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
Everything else I buy is labeled. I don't purchase a smartphone unsure if it's iOS or Android. FDA even has rules for what is 'ice cream' vs
DoingJediShit
GMO corps are having a problem with their pesticides... crops are now resistant AND new insects have been evolutionarily developed
snipekill1997
I think you mean weeds being resistant, but GMOs also make proper pesticide use that helps to prevent resistance easier.
ComradeSillyOtter
Was going to say.. You WANT your crops resistant.
DoingJediShit
Ya exactly... except companies like Monsanto are having a hard time with their crops bc of this... it's not dangerous just interesting
SethReborn
Doesn't even have to be science. I changed my opinion on gay marriage after reading into it. Can't believe I used to think it was ok...
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
"reading" (wink*)
NameUser10
M Night Shyamalan is that you?
vigilantvigilantes
That's the funniest thing I've read all week, and I've read a lot of imgur. Not much makes me laugh out loud.
TheFermiSolution
You uhh.. y'got some fundie "blood upvote" on you, bud.
ifeverywomanwasbuiltlikehertherewouldbeworldpeace
Plumbing is off
IMayHaveTimeForThat
Lol "what a twist"
IamPeeved
Har har har le funy joek
JayEnfield
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inverseCosinePadawanmeme
I think your primary issue was that you were married to a man when you were a heterosexual.
CorgiCircus
Vicidsmartv2
@SethReborn tried to make this rendition
so people really know that you were joking.
bigdaddyfatpants
Hey, were you joking...lol
PwnageHobo
Not sure if joking...
CallMeRif
I always wondered do they take turn penetrating eachother or one of them is permanently being the 'hole' or smthing??
DownvoteMeWhenYouFeelOffended
hehe. first giggle of today.
Kamasu0Tra
Scary thing is that he is not joking...
Vicidsmartv2
SethReborn
I was joking. Not sure how, but somewhere in the replies it was implied that I wasn't. But once again, I support gay marriage.
Kamasu0Tra
I'll be frank; I saw your "well, I have lots of historical reasons.." and just assumed you were an idiot. My bad, carry on.
YourWaifuIsTrash
665 points... +1 for shits and giggle
justanotherhippynamedcosmicsomethingoranother
Sensible chuckle here.
homoerection
I think people are up voting this because they think it's sarcasm.
SethReborn
They would be right
homoerection
I think people are up voting this because they think it's sarcasm.
Vicidsmartv2
It is
homoerection
Are you sure? The follow up comments seem to say it isn't? Unless his sarcasm game is super strong.
Vicidsmartv2
MrPhukett
Unfuckingbelievable! What the fuck is wrong with you??
Vicidsmartv2
MrPhukett
Oh. Thank you. Now I'm confused. Lol
SethReborn
I need to know!! So many ppl got the wrong idea, and I'm at a loss. What made you think it was serious?
TheFermiSolution
Sheesh, yeah, you had a comment after your post that implied that you actually felt that way. Had me worried.
MrPhukett
Lol, now I feel bad, I thought you were being an arsehole, hahaha. I'd say just TOO dry, too sarcastic. And that's coming from a ..../1
SgtChowdown
Me: He's gotta be joking, right? Me: *reads his other posts* Me: oh guess not
Vicidsmartv2
He just responded saying it was a joke btw
SgtChowdown
What, his post, or his entire acct? Cause...
Vicidsmartv2
SethReborn
Thanks man, I don't know how I screwed up. Thanks for clarifying others
fistermatic5000
I was against gmo's until I realized I was just against Monsanto
YamatoIouko
TBF, Monsanto is evil.
muggywaters
Me too. I still have a concern for biodiversity though. But, ya, we need to feed a lot of people.
naishpaddle
And GMO is not the answer! https://nyti.ms/2dR9DRr
flamedragon822
While I think you're probably kidding I would be curious what a person would read that would change thier mind that way.
iLoveItWhenMyFingersSmellLikePussy
THEY PUT IT IN EACHOTHERS POOPER!!!
Mushroombadger
Dey eat da poopoo!
Nimin
The divorce lawyer's bill
Riyakou
I actually saw a video of a guy who said he used to be for gay marriage until the Westboro Baptist Church "opened his eyes."
knifeskills
That's a bonafide YIKES
DarthZartanyus
Yeah, his brown eye maybe.
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easybrz
easybrz
Sniff, sniff: a book about smell (human relationships: homosexual honeymoon edition)
IAmTheKillingHand
You made me LOL. I don't think people are getting how funny this was
easybrz
Yeah I'm a bit disappointed
SethReborn
no wasn't the bible. as i objected on several points, and read many things, it's hard to give even a general answer to that question in 180
homoerection
I know, it's terrible when two consenting adults want to marry, just awful.
riddmkidd
Whoa, apt username...
Hexarcy00
you can't even name a few key sources?
SethReborn
I never recorded the sources (7yrs ago). But I guess you could say they were all historic, the origins of the word, the church, society.
Gorgrim
I suggest you read in to it again, try talking to gay people who have gotten married, and stories of gay couples from before they could.
Gorgrim
I suggest you read in to it again, try talking to gay people who have gotten married, and stories of gay couples from before they could.
ZoidbergIsGreat
Who gives a Fuck what the church says? Marriage is also a legal binding contact that grants certain rights. Separation of church and state.
radas86
I'm no longer sure you were joking.
SethReborn
i was joking. i did change my mind though. but to clarify i support gay marriage. not sure where i went wrong with the joke bit?
radas86
radas86
Sometimes tricky to be sure through text. First comment was obviously joking, second seemed almost dry enough to be serious.
flamedragon822
Basically you didn't, but Poe's law.
MrPhukett
Just not very good at them.
Vicidsmartv2
When I do sarcasm I say "/s/" at the end or "/sarcasm/"
SethReborn
no it was a joke.
sirilyn
Not gonna lie; was very concerned for a moment
Vicidsmartv2
Thank god
MrPhukett
I was 100% sure he was kidding. I was wrong. 8-(
radas86
No you were, right. He just commented. He was just continuing the joke.
MrPhukett
Hmm. Ta.
Amonrob
The name makes it sound happy but the truth is it's just as bad as straight marriage.
Squagglenater
Hard to say, I guess the only thing I can think of is if you look from an evolutionary standpoint? Can't produce vital offspring if you 1/2
ollypops
er, from an evolutionary standpoint there have literally always been LGBTQ people and yet we are still an overpopulated planet, so... newp.
whatupmyknitters
even then though, fostering/adoption definitely has a role in the success/survival of a species
Squagglenater
Can't reproduce? (Not my actual view).
flamedragon822
I can see why some people would use that as an argument, but it ignores so many things it's not even funny. More holes than a collender
flamedragon822
I can see why some people would use that as an argument, but it ignores so many things it's not even funny. More holes than a collender
MrPhukett
Gay ppl ain't gonna suddenly reproduce just cos they can't get married. "Oh noes, I can't marry the same-sex love of my life! Guess .... /1
MrPhukett
I'm just gonna have to break up with them and have sex with a person I'm not attracted to at all, and have a kid." Amirite?
thoushaltnotpass
Evolutionary standpoint is irrelevant within a species that adapt its environment for survival
Karilyn
Besides, it's mostly been proven that the gay male gene increases fertility in women, producing a net increase in children passing the gene.
lcg79
Wtf are you on about!? Got any sources for this claim? Would like to read this research
Karilyn
(Not that there's a single gene that causes homosexuality, or that it's been identified, but we can still deduce properties of it)
SarahWoof
Lots of people are 'born again Christians'. I imagine it's happened.
captainhammerpants
"I thought it was just a marriage between two people that were really happy"
RocketBryan
"And then I learned that gays can be just as miserable in their marriages as straight folk. Who knew?!"
lokibringer
The Bible, probly. (He said in a joking manner, not wanting imgur to bludgeon him)
MmmChuntPls
schr610
AND THEN THEY OLE FACKED
easybrz
ChameleonFacedGoon
damn those elephant babies are sturdy
imwithpluto
WHY WOULD YOU SHOW ME THAT?!
EricFromAccounts
"AGAIN! AGAIN!"
Curiousone545
Huh. to be fair, are you against marriages in general? Or just a homophobe @sethreborn
SethReborn
neither, the last bit was a joke. unless you're referring to before i changed my mind? the answer would still be neither
SgtChowdown
The fact that he had to specify GAY marriage leads me to believe he's a homophobe
RedDwarfIV
The fact that the comment was structured like a joke leads me to believe it was a joke.
SethReborn
You are correct. Although somehow, I've managed to mess it up in the replies. Ah well
SethReborn
neither, the last bit was a joke. unless you're referring to before i changed my mind? the answer would still be neither
clentun
You mean he was paid to shut up. A few mill and some fame can make men do anything.
SteveNotSteve
Just because you would compromise you ethics for money doesn't mean that someone else would.
clentun
Monsanto. Follow the crumbs.
CatsAndCoffeeAndCats
Exactly. A mouthpiece for those with an agenda. BS
johnwayne12
You're going to haveto pay a lot more more millions, the scientific consensus on GMO safety is higher than global warming
ComradeSillyOtter
That's my concern too. Exxon mobile tried to control science on global warming, yet what's the concencus on that right now?
FairyGodzilla
That's not saying as much as you think it is.
Fukyu2dei
Unless you've read all the papers on it from the majority of researchers then you can't claim that
ComradeSillyOtter
You're free to review a large number of sites.
Fukyu2dei
Unless you've read all the papers on it from the majority of researchers then you can't claim that
johnwayne12
I can and i did, Its called a census. You don't need to know every individual in the country to know its population
Fukyu2dei
Unless you read the papers they wrote and not what someone else tells you they say then your claim doesn't work
johnwayne12
Its called a census. You don't need to know every individual in the country to know its population
IronCretin
So do you think there's a conspiracy and the scientists are saying something different?
Drosophilamelanobastard
The problem is that people view GMOs as a monolith, it's like saying "are knives good or bad" of course someone could make an unhealthful (1
BrettTurner
ALL knives are good. What they are used for is what alters perspective.
BrettTurner
Just like how ALL dogs are good, Brett. Wait what? talking to myself? lonely...
HeywouldJablowme
GMOs are about controlling food not feeding the people
daiconrad
"Of course knives are good. Why would you ask whether knives are good or bad?" -- guy sneaking up behind me with a knife
Mmmmmk
Stop fucking with my fucking food. That's all.
Queenofthegnomes
Or ya know...grow your own
noahfuxgiven
Whatz fucking food? ... you mean like mayo?
QueenBellGamer
Exactly what I was going to say
tomyironmane
Yeah, be like Bill. check that stuff before you advocate using it or selling it to someone.
tomyironmane
.... so evidence and proof are important, unless they might not support your opinion, got it.
ZachPutland
To which some countries respond "bad" by banning knives which I guess just supports your point because of how stupid it is
blahblahghost
The problem comes when people conflate poor business practices with the very act of genetically modifying foods.
jimmyriba
But another problem is that they are hard to separate. A lot of GMO comes with abusive business practices -- and untrustworthy businesses.
blahblahghost
But you still can't just declare GMO's to be bad. Proper oversight and regulatory authority are the answer, not kneejerk reaction.
vxjasonxv
Guns
TitaniumTeddyBear
And just cause GM food is safe doesn't mean Monsanto isn't evil. They were saying it was safe BEFORE the science was in. They're bastards.
eroso
Same way how Trump nowadays says that media is untrustworthy. Media is = thousands of different seperate voices.
aGirlNamedLina
OMG I love your username!
Spoffles
The hell is unhealthful?
ImSoBetaEvenThisAcronym
I was gonna say this. That's some 1984 vocabulary man.
BravoBear
A healthy person is healthy because they eat healthful foods.
NegentropyX
Correct. Although in some places (UK) I have heard "healthy" used in the sense of healthful.
productivewinks
the opposite of healthful
Shiroto
Being full of health, it's proper in many situations, but not widely known.
sillybananas
http://grammarist.com/usage/healthful-healthy/
TitaniumTeddyBear
This! Plus the ecological danger of novel organisms escaping into the wild like the rabbits in Australia.
TitaniumTeddyBear
I know the rabbits weren't GM. Modified organisms are either equally dangerous or MORE dangerous, depending on who you listen to.
spetcnaz
Yup.GMO is a umbrella term. Some GMOs are bad. Some are good and needed.
dojan5
The problem isn't with the GMOs but the companies that lobby behind governments and hurt smaller-scale farmers. I love GMO and think...
dojan5
... that it's a field we can benefit a lot from. However, when companies lobby for usage of only their seeds in poor countries ...
dojan5
... that can't afford to buy the seeds every year, much less the license to use them, that's when problems arise.
VoidIncarnate
Don't eat knives. They may have plenty of iron but the nickel and chromium are not good for you.
SundaysOnthePhonetoMonday
If I had a nickel for every time some snowflake liberal told me to stop eating knives
IHaveThePerfectPuzzleForYou
Buncha knaves!
CrazyDavester
You would have...one nickel
KnifeKnut
You are confusing alloyed metallic nickel and chromium with carbonyl nickel and hexavalent chromium. Beside, not all knives have Ni or Cr
tomyironmane
Well, if you're not sure which one is bad for you, best not to ingest any till you're certain...
CyborgScribe
The deadly deadly chromium.
SNTLY
No, the problem is the current monopoly on agriculture. People keep deflecting that GMO's are the problem when they're not.
AltruisticJunkie
I thought the bad part about gmo was more glyphosate being used? Pesticide resistant means they use a fuck ton more?
PastaPriest
KNIVES ARE BAD. BAN KNIVES.
Leithoa
you're thinking guns.
cmfler
We need more knives at schools to protect us from bear attacks
MemeStealingSkeleton
Bin that knife mate
KnifeKnut
Not in this country, bro.
KnifeKnut
Ban Pasta.
MemeStealingSkeleton
Don't you fucking dare!
ChiefHoui
Knive are bad, mmkay.
KnifeKnut
So you suggest we should go back to tearing at animals with our teeth?
BiologicallyHazardousMaterial
Found the aussie
EarthmanDan
Calm down, Australia
kyrtian
But that's not how you spell United Kingdom... then again they're well past knives, probly working on banning spoons now
KnifeKnut
There has even been non pointy kitchen knife fuckery suggested in UK.
tomyironmane
... wait... y'all are being serious now? How the fuck are you supposed to core an apple?
KroggandMohawk
YEAH. WHAT THIS GUY SAID. KNIVES ARE BAD!
strcmdman
In this example wild crops would really be more like knives and GMO's like guns one should probably have some reasonable restrictions.
KroggandMohawk
GUNS AND KNIVES ARE BAD. BAN ALL GUNS AND KNIVES. ONLY ALLOW CANNONS.
strcmdman
CANNONS FIRE BALLS. BALLS ARE ROUND. THEY REPRESENT UNITY. BULLETS AND KNIVES ARE POINTY BAD! BAD!
KnifeKnut
Ban Mowhawks
KroggandMohawk
HEY!! KNIVES ARE BANNED!! GET OUTTA HERE!!
DrumbobHittypants
Now imagine a dystopian future where you have 10,000 spoons but all you need is a knife
tomyironmane
Drop them on your oppressors from 10,000 feet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_Dog_(bomb)
KnifeKnut
With that many spoons, you can easily use them to create a knife. Or just sharpen one spoon.
tomyironmane
Dude. Look up the Lazy Dog bomb
KnifeKnut
I was already aware of air dropped flechettes. They actually were first used in WW I. But how are they relevant to the topic at hand?
wobbu
if we didnt have knives we wouldnt have garlic. knives for everybody!
tomyironmane
IT'S JUST WHAT THE VAMPIRES WANT! BAN VAMPIRES, NOT KNIVES!!
KnifeKnut
I can stand behind this.
TexasBaconMan
Things are bad, they cause cancer.
malachitedragon
"Viewing them as a monolith" is accurate, down to the screeching, slapping the ground, shitting wildly everywhere whilst screeching.
daiconrad
tomyironmane
Well, I didn't, cap, care to explain?
daiconrad
2001: A Space Odyssey, the part at the beginning when the monolith appears to the pre-human ape-men.
tomyironmane
Thanks... there's been so much political screeching and shitting recently I forgot about that
Gochira
Drosophilamelanobastard
GMO, but one could also make a more nutritious one. The problems really come in with displacing genetically diverse wild strains (2
MrRandom314159
But broad statements that give us information on large groups is how we categorize EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!??????..........
Fl0zilla
I would say the problem comes when consenting to using emotion to process information.
NegentropyX
Much worse, just with selective breeding the common supermarket tomato looks great, but has lost its flavor - worldwide.
BernieMittens
I have noticed this. I used to like tomatoes
strcmdman
GMO's if grown in close proximity to wild strains can cause a major loss in diversity.
JhericFury
God, i love those nutritious knives, so tasty
tehmatser
i had to come back to upvote this
IllegalDuckling
Their flavor really manifests once they're heated up to 1000 degrees.
PostNutDepression
I got a nice chuckle out of that.
KnifeKnut
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. THAT KILLS THE KNIFE!
netcrack2k
Thank you! That point is widely missed ...
DankCentral420
I'm more worried about GMO's that are extremely pesticide resistant, meaning they could potentially use harmful amounts of pesticide.
kevinbaken
Farmer's response would be - WHY would I waste money and use more than necessary?
maniacalmacaroni
There are already gmos that take advantage of naturally occurring defensive genes from other species so that they don't require additional
maniacalmacaroni
Pesticides. With better technology we can eliminate the need for pesticides and herbicides entirely. Save the fucking bees too.
Kittynomnoms
People already use large amounts of them. However, some plants can be modified so that they need less pesticides. That being said, it's 1/2
Kittynomnoms
an industry. They'll do it even if it's harmful so long as it protects their profits; the problem is really with the regulations. 2/2
LupusGrey
Luckily, it widens their profits if their crops don't need pesticides, lowering costs. Which is why it happens.
DarkZalgo
I'm not sure what you mean. GMOs that are designed to be resistant to pesticides so that you have to use a lot of pesticides on them?
nexusband
Some are - problem is, some produce their pesticide themselves - we lack some of those resistances as humans, so they become harmfull
thedancingemu
some are designed to be herbicide resistant, so you can dump herbicide all over the field to kill weeds w/o crop damage
SteveMcCroskey
The herbicide in the spring is freshest, so delicious
DarkZalgo
That doesn't really make sense. I know that there are the scorpion lettuce or whatever it is that is designed to not need pesticides at all.
tomyironmane
The fear is that someone might make the crop pesticide resistant and then carpet bomb the field with the next Agent Orange or something.
Drosophilamelanobastard
And ending up with a monoculture that gets killed off by a newly evolved pathogen
Whargarbal
Like the potatoe blight!
Model506
I'm moer concerned about GMO's being undertested so we end up releasing a dangerously overcompetitive plant or something.
liquidestswords
The other "issue" with gmos is that they are often more pesticide resistant and may be sprayed w/ more/stronger pesticides. This scares ppl
strcmdman
Thank you! Don't here that enough here. GMO's are amazing but they are not without some risk.
Xenarion
I have a hard time making people understand this. And the same goes for chemicals and natural pesticides. Long term testing is the key.
SolidusPliskin
That is an issue with literally anything that is farmed.
snipekill1997
The thing is we already have monoculture because through normal breeding we develop strains that are more efficient than others so those (1)
snipekill1997
end up being the only ones used. With GMOs you get the tools to not only make those (2)
snipekill1997
breeds even more efficient, but selectively add in any resistance genes people find. (3)
efemral
This might be a decreasing risk as we gain more control of plant genetics.
ArcticGhost
Yea there's a lot of good with them. Lot of potential. But one issue is that genetics of conventional grain to work with haven't (1)
ArcticGhost
Advanced as far as GMO hybrids so every time they want a new GMO hybrid they have to go in the vault to an older hybrid. Its complicated.
Makecba
Isn't that the plot to Interstellar or something?
Vanbytheriver
Or a monoculture that is intellectual property of some corporation. As in they own the food supply and the very nature of the food you eat.
ComicSansHumor
It's important to note that in the wild, these traits fade very quickly since there's less selective pressure than when cultivated by humans
SerialChillinSpree
Isn't there a whole host of ancillary problems like the pesticides used create super bugs - better resistant - also the soil is devoid of..
SerialChillinSpree
nutrients and many chemicals are pumped back in, along with the gmo seeds? Lastly, I thought GMO promised more food. Food is political...
SerialChillinSpree
Still tons of people w/out full bellies and continually more mouth to feed. Is the GMO bruteforce method of more food, stronger food, better
SirusKing
This problem already exists, though. No major cultivated cop has any genetic diversity.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Well said. Plus, megacorporations like Monsanto have 1, and only 1 goal in mind: maximize shareholder revenue at the end of the quarter. ...
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Anything else (nutrient content, environmental damage, farm worker health etc.) is a distant secondary concern at best. Just look at ...
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
commercially produced "food" in the West and tell me I'm wrong. Try and tell me McDonald's offers the healthiest and most well-balanced...
exlurker42
That's actually pretty much what happened to bananas a while back with before GMO's. Apples are a high risk as well.
gossegotha
You guys give me hope for the future. Well informed!
ShitsNGiggelz
The Cavendish bananas we eat now are spliced clones. This is more an example of the risks of massive mono-crop agriculture, which is just
ShitsNGiggelz
how our modern ag has developed to continue to be profitable and increase yields. Large ag biz has created conformity with crops.
catmemesandweed
And avocados!!!
exlurker42
Yup, and grapes and several other things.
frobert
Big words tired i am
exlurker42
That comment doesn't have any words over 3 syllables...
RIPSlurmsMckenzie
Damn I eat the crap out of both of those.
exlurker42
The entire fruit won't go extinct or anything, it's just the old apple varieties and the most common type of banana at risk of bad harvests.
FishBoneKing
It's true! We're all eating the "new bananas"! I wonder what the old ones tasted like? We may never know.
ShitsNGiggelz
They were the size of a big finger and full of seeds. Google image search 'em.
exlurker42
The "banana" flavor in candy that so many people dislike was developed from the previous breed so, they tasted like that.
ShitsNGiggelz
They were the size of a big finger and full of seeds. Google image search 'em.
crazysmile
But there is a ton of different varieties of apple
exlurker42
1/x There are. The issue is commercial apple trees aren't grown from seeds, they're grown from cuttings which are genetically identical to
JhericFury
I was about to say, conventional seeds are hardly "wild" or "genetically diverse", are lot are also copyrighted, and farmers buy them back-
JhericFury
-each harvest, just like GMO seeds
TwoCheese
Why would farmers buy them back if they're not engineered to last a single season? Isn't saving seeds standard practice?
Thetwitchy1
That, and companies that "patent" genome strains, then litigate when someone outside uses them.
endeavour1a
It's not like other seeds stop growing.
strcmdman
They actually can. And anything that produces more or less financially profitable yields is already owned.
IMayHaveTimeForThat
Monsanto? Monsanto
FerricNitrate
Patent should not be in quotes--patent literature explicitly states that plants are an area of innovation that may be patented.
Thetwitchy1
I put the quotes because they've used IP law (copywrite etc) as well as patent law. Not often and not recent, but iirc it has happened.
Xenarion
And sue people who unwillingly have it because pollen travel. *cough* Monsanto *cough*
strcmdman
Their all settle out of court so its super hard to find specific cases. They're typically giant companies.
JhericFury
Did you know the only time Monsanto sued farmers was either a) holding on to next gen seeds without paying for them or b) people who were -
JhericFury
-actively trying to steal seeds from farmers who'd bought them to use themselves. Not saying it's necessarily okay to do that but I've -
Quegak
Next Geen seed = taking seeds from those that you just harvested from your terrains.
Burke616
Also, the "terminator" gene that would starve us all in the long run of a zombie apocalypse.
JhericFury
Did you know the only time Monsanto sued farmers was either a) holding on to next gen seeds without paying for them or b) people who were -
DomesticFire
Talking as a biologist, the main thing for nutrition is dirt health--which no big commercial farm company takes seriously and 1/
DomesticFire
the danger of GMO is the lack of testing for said GMOs,( plus monsanto, as a company are just assholes that need some form of governance) 2/
DomesticFire
The actual, theoretical danger is uptake by humans of a transgenic gene/over production of proteins, that could screw us up.. 3/
Eldibs
Man, if only they had developed terminator seeds that grow plants that don't produce viable seeds. Oh wait, they did and anti-GMO people 1/2
Eldibs
bitched about it and stopped them from using them. 2/2
Notme68
That's actually one of the my complaints. Patented modified life forms - forcing a monopoly.
FickDingers
No they didnt... Monsanto is still doing that....
fissnoc
I thought the fuss was that we don't know what impact their engineered genetics could have on our bodies long term.
hotrevolver
That's relevant as well. They have done studies that show they cause cancer, tumors etc. Everyone says it's not true. It is
fissnoc
Do you have any sources?
PeteTusk
Start with the Seralini Study author web site http://www.gmoseralini.org/en/ - it was defamed, but that was ruled forgery by French courts.
Mennytuttofare
Well, you're eating the plant, not trying to make its DNA your own by breeding with it
PeteTusk
Or the pesticides...
4horsemen06
What impact do "un-engineered" genetics have on our bodies? Your stomach is pretty good at breaking things down beyond any genetics.
Luxvero
we only know of a slow poison substance once we isolate it on whichever food we discover correlated with increased health issues
4horsemen06
IE amino acids
fissnoc
Not that their actual DNA would be toxic but that messing with the genome could cause unintended effects in the plant chemistry. Not my >
fissnoc
> opinion but it is AN opinion that's out there. I think it could be possible but I'd have to examine the evidence. Like Bill.