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thebogusman101
Not to go against the gain of conversation here, but i worry about the long term impacts of this if they continue to fail audits. I would think that eventually the DOD would reach a budget point that they could no longer fund itself. I would like to be better informed before i decide if this would be a good thing or not. With that said, i do agree with the root premise. The DOD needs to pass its audits, hard stop. It should not take this long to gain compliance. Especially with that budget.
film888master9
You mean to tell me that Raytheon, Lockheed, Aerojet and all of the others can’t pass an audit! I am shocked. Gotta love prison labor
BernieMittens
Bernie needs to back off the Stargate funding.
AtlasMorrow
Let’s see those aliens now
seenunseen
Shame bernie just died from a heart attack
Clymenus000
procrastinatingagain
This would be great.
clamdriver
Bernie knows where all those couches are.
DukePhelan
Look, you don't fuck with the laws of Newton and make plasma based weapons without a huge little black book okay?
TheAnimalFactsGuy
Love it, but I've got a sinking feeling that it won't even get close to passing.
comacomacomacomachameleon
I worked in the DoD. Every quarter was "we've got too much money; mandatory overtime" to burn the budget. Suppliers charging 10x the actual cost for everything just because it was the government buying. Insane amounts of waste, fraud, and abuse.
VXrigLessons
I worked for the DOE. Same story.
Whatwhatsomethingbutt
The Pentagon, by its own admission, loses $125 billion a year to administrative waste alone.
bourbonandbaddecisions
Black ops cost money.
HybridRifter
sounds good to me!
dudds6699
I would be remiss to remind you guys as much as you hate this fact alot of government stuff doesn't exclude wear and tear in the budget.
Zetor
1%? If they can't tell where the money went, then they shouldn't get that amount. Simple as that.
YeastInfectedWhiskerBiscuit
Another useful bill that won't see the light of day. Because honesty and integrity is no longer part of the American motto.
VibratingNipples
off the books spending. no records
GoldensForDayz
The problem is that some financial allocations are classified so auditors normally don't have the clearance. You would either need more auditors to compartmentalize certain budgets, of give them full access which would become a security risk.
JustAnotherRabidToaster
My experience is far too long for this text window, but I've been involved in some (state) gov't audits, and the results were, to me at least, eye opening. PM me if you want the dirty details.
oldguyexlurker
Only 1%? Pretty minimal. That's what? A fighter jet? Those're acceptable losses during training.
a2s2020
LordOfThePenguin
1% of their total budget would be $30,000,000,000.00, and it’s a small enough drop in the bucket that this bill has at least a 2.1% of passing
sadurdaynight
Took a project mgmt class from a former pentagon kernel that was in charge of multi-million-dollar training programs. He said main issue w pentagon was poor project mgmt mixed with politics. EG: you need $1M for a project over 2 yrs. But, if you don't get it all up-front, they keep asking you to fight over getting the next part of the project budget. So, they just ask for the funds up-front. And nobody gives cost savings back lest funding get cut next time. Basically he said you have highly 1/
sadurdaynight
technical people and highly military-trained people trying to dumb ideas down to politicians who don't understand in order to get the money to do things. So, everyone learned to game the system & politicians, some for the better, some for worse. I worked at a company that was doing a massive buildout for the Navy/Marine Corps, and we had base commanders (already earning military salary) getting hourly pay for the project to "make it run smoothly". It's all wheel greasing and games./
PigsCanJump
Hold the contractors accountable to their authorized funds rather than letting them go over budget again and again and again without reprimand. Also, this shit happens when half the people accounting for assets are under 23 years old.
LGooms
Then congress gives them more money than they ask for the next year.
skellumqt
It's a real problem, but man, gotta admit auditing the pentagon sounds like a nightmare even with competent people and good faith.
Sandproblems
1% of the DoD budget is a ton of funding
DontDoWhatDonaldDontDoes
This is the most efficient way the rich embezzle money from the people, that's why the budget is so high... pockets are deep
januarylover
We need more Bernie Sanders's.
jargonmon
Only 1%? How about 90% of what they can't account for?
Thornaxe
I read it as “fail the audit, lose 1% of your total budget”. So not necessarily losing only what they can’t account for.
GCRust
1% is enough that this wouldn't be automatically DOA. At 1%, it's only LIKELY to be DOA.
Daraanel
Start with 1% to get the bill passed. Then look at increasing that percentage if audit failures contiue to be a problem.
worldsbiggestnickelbackfan
1% of their department’s budget. Not the amount that is missing.
PhailRaptor
I'd say the greater value between the 2 figures
shack95
10percent would be a good start
MetalGreymon
1% of a trillion is 10 billion. Nothing to be sniffed at.
adjacentengels
I sniff in your general direction.
MetalGreymon
spiko999
Sadly, only 1% so the legislation have a chance to pass.
Patrickrcon
How about a percent of their *profit* instead
PhailRaptor
It's not the DoD that makes the profit, it's all their friends at the 3rd party contractors that do
Patrickrcon
yeah you're right. my sentiment more has to do with how the contractors profit but I didn't really formulate an articulate comment
phobosorbust
DoD doesn't turn a profit, and it's their budget at issue. The underlying problem likely includes some 'creative' accounting from vendors, but it is DoD's responsibility to sort that shit out.
Patrickrcon
yeah you're right. my sentiment more has to do with how the contractors profit but I didn't really formulate an articulate comment
ParadoxLost
Why is it always the socialists proposing solutions while the libertarians complain that there aren’t any?
Kalthramis
Libertarians and conservatives, by definition, oppose any progress and are against anything productive
SugaryBonemeal
Because any kind of regulation or oversight will either cut into profits, or make it harder to be evil
kerrigan778
Ah yes, Chuck Grassley, the well known socialist...
phalanxausage
Because all libertarian solutions boil down to "somebody else will do it." It's the core of their belief structure.
TheGreatestMango
Grassley is not a socialist
Guy954
They were obviously referring to Bernie
Audasity
because libertarian is just another word for republican, and, we all know republican really means republican't
diggetydug
I think you answered your own question.
Arbitrarynamehere
Libertarians are the most unserious morons in political discourse. Almost as bad as Enlightened Centrists and only slightly dumber.
Kythulhu13
Libertarians are like people from Central Jersey. They are the only ones that think they exist.
IceWeaselX
I think you meant they think they are the only ones that exist?
BSTON
Because libertarians were tricked into thinking millions in social programs is worse than trillions in military spending.
Pevinsghost
While I personally would prefer social spending than killing people and enriching bomb makers, in fairness Medicare/Medicaid spending equals the entire budget of the department of defense most years. They both run in the hundreds of millions of dollars annually. Also in fairness, neither of those numbers are the entire bill for social programs or "defense" spending, just the single line items, and the DoE, Homeland security, etc are fast larger than the rest of the social programs combined.
sillychillly
You’re talking about right wing libertarians. Left wing libertarians are very much aligned
Decitron
Most imgurians don't know what socialism is... or what liberalism is for that matter. They support libertarian-left policy, fortunately.
sillychillly
I know. It’s wild and I guess funny in a way
rooik14
There is no such thing as a left wing (American) libertarian.
Pevinsghost
Center 4 a stateless society is one of the American organizations that are left libertarian off the top of my head. Nowhere near the only one.
rooik14
They are left, but they are not part of the AMERICAN libertarian movement.
Pevinsghost
They're based on Tulsa, they're literally in the middle of the country.
sillychillly
False
rooik14
Not false at all. American Libterarians are far right. Always have been, always will be. As they support Capitalism.
VXrigLessons
I do t know much about libertarianism but it’s Wiki page introduction appears to describe much of what the left prizes such as freedom, individualism, and opposition to nationalism. What am I missing ?
avidatheist
American libertarianism is different from normal libertarianism.
wadatahmydamie
You’re missing the part where libertarians overwhelmingly choose right-wing authoritarians to champion their beliefs, with the only distinction being that they support giving power to the wealthy and not the government.
VXrigLessons
I don’t disagree with that. I just disagree with the statement “left-oriented libertarianism doesn’t exist”. That’s all.
LordBaneoftheSith
Not just the libertarians. The liberals will say the same thing but with different words, in a "oh my sweet summer child, don't you know how the world *really* works?" tone, as if a bunch of slaveowners divined the secret truths of government two centuries ago.
IconicM
Ah yes, the old "both sides are bad" from someone who wants completely unrealistic ideas and doesn't see the difference literal Nazis and Democrats trying to improve things.
LordBaneoftheSith
We're talking about libertarians not not the Nazis. But when the liberals bail out the banks and keep bombing almost all the same people the conservatives want to, I'm less inclined to credit them for whatever marginal "advances" they make, since they're still propping up a system which allows fascism to flourish.
IconicM
No one mentioned libertarians. And like I said you can't see the difference.
LordBaneoftheSith
Bro look at the comment I'm replying to at the beginning