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gorillaClutch
yeah the trans bathroom bills are basically about denying trans people the right to exist, they think they can legislate them away.
sickburn
I don’t think you understand how much we hate women
SoupForMyFamily
chata954
The only time i got i trouble was when i stabbed a boy with a pen cuz i was being sexually harassed for months. Id do it again, cuz he stopd
chata954
I had already complained many times to the teachers.
murderdactyl
Living in AK and have gone to school here, this state is the bigest boys will be boys state?
razalude
I defended myself against an attack in high school and got the same 2 week suspension that the attackers got and I had to write the school
razalude
An apology note.
Lastcentura
I would have called out the principal and teachers saying I'm sorry I had to protect myself from being attacked while you did nothing
miramirameow
The school also illegally publicly announced the name of the student who was suspended for defending herself too
VitaminJay
Ok, you transphobic, sexist clownshoes. Tell us how the Administration was right...
i18736524742069
Hope his balls were rendered useless so there’s no risk of that dick head ever reproducing.
ilovebigmutts
You'd think Santa wouldn't put up with this shit.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
You've heard the song about Rudolph, right? That motherfucker doesn't give a shit about his employees
TheDeathstick
Back to work...where do you think they got the piss bottle idea from? Santa's Workshop.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't give a fuck who I shit next to, I just feel sorry for them, no matter the gender.
CerisCinderwolf
If that were my daughter, she'd get a "so a group of boys cornered you and unlawfully confined you to a room, a place they shouldn't 1/3
CerisCinderwolf
have been, and refused to let you out, the same behavior adults are jailed for? You handled yourself the way anyone should have. Let's 2/3
CerisCinderwolf
get dinner and enjoy your time off school" speech in front of the principal. Fuck those asshats. 3/3
paintingagency
Problem is, you still have to either $$lawyer up, or send her to the "alternative" school where the actual bullies get sent.
ahorseelbowdeepinme
My favorite thing about all the Trans bathroom controversies is the number of places that just went "fuck it, all bathrooms gender neutral"
Xenarion
Honestly the best solution. Gendered bathrooms are outdated and rest on the basis of strict gender roles and absence of homosexuality.
MonetaryPolicyAct1913
It also cost effective. No clue why you would need men/women restroom in most places. It is just a toilet.
siccoyote
Some women just like the security of being in a place without penises, so they can throw paper all over the damn floor in peace.
NightlyReaper
LOL!!!!
seggirll
What is cis?
Xenarion
"Cis" is a prefix meaning "on this side of", as opposite to "trans". A cisgender person is someone comfortable in their assigned gender >
Xenarion
> (so not transgender).
seggirll
Thks
wherethehorriblethingsare
It's not about right or wrong, it's about getting them used to being controlled.
Medoria
yeah it was never about protecting girls. as if a sign on a bathroom is gonna stop a rapist.
RustyNeX
it was never about protecting girls, it was about suppressing people they don't understand or agree with.
Doomgriever
The cruelty is the point. Seems to be the slogan for many conservative
gradeD
suppressing people they don't understand *and are afraid to understand because they think doing so will give them the gay*
heartlessninja6
IMO if you’re scared of accepting gay ppl in society because of temptation, you’re probably suppressing. Why be afraid if you’re so secure?
freepj0
It's no longer jsut about homophobia, they realise trans people are a thread to traditional gendernorms.
PriscillaTheMoonDaemon
I always find this funny, as it depends on how far back you go and where you are if trans people were a part of the traditional gendernorm
Cyberbeni
Not necessarily, it could be just basic "divide and rule" (which is worse IMO), a lot of anti-gay politicians get caught doing gay stuff.
PlanckEraWasMyBestEra
If it was, they'd realize there are a lot of big dudes with beards who are attracted to women who were born with vaginas too and this law
PlanckEraWasMyBestEra
literally doesn't change how many people who are attracted to women that are using women's bathrooms.
PlanckEraWasMyBestEra
I worded that strangely but it doesn't change the fact that these laws make no sense and do nothing to make anyone safer.
Ezzybells
Haha yes probs better to have put the “born with vaginas” right after talking about the big trans men instead of after “attracted to women”
Ezzybells
2. to make it clear you were talking about those men being trans
Mayfly10
I agree. It's pure concern trolling.
CyanideBreathMint
What is Nailed It for $500?
AlkeneThiol
This happened two years ago. This is why we need to include dates on tweets. For the record, the girl got "un-expelled" after a review.
CraftyGiant
Taking bets on how fast the admin are fired.
MLGsamantha
put me down for 'they get off scot free'
CraftyGiant
My highschool principal was demoted severely and the vice principal lost their job in an incident less severe than this.
RideTheStimutacs
Zero Tolerance rules in schools are straight up victim blaming.
NotInLimboAnymore
A girl:
Xt3rminat3
"We do not advocate physical or psychological violence as a means to attain safety," Wtf
dingofdong
But they'll absolutely commit violence on others to attain their own safety. Like oppressing trans people RE: bathroom access, for instance
markmcn87
Isn't that basically "sit back and take it"?
t113
you got it
dingofdong
More than that it's an explicit "shut up and stop making a fuss", the obvious subtext of which is "just let people abuse you and keep quiet"
philmoregraves
I ate my detention for defending my younger brother from one of my classmates. All these systems are fucked but >
philmoregraves
11/10 would do again. If this poor girl has more issues ill drive and beat the brakes off some kids and eat the charge
aerialtruckdriver
This is not new. Schools have always punished students for defending themselves from bullying/harassment that teachers turn a blind eye to.
ldyshadow254
that’s why my father always told me if I got into a fight I wouldn’t get grounded if I was defended myself he didn’t care what school said
mtloech
One of my son's teammates was suspended right before sectionals, bc he was bullied, & ran from the fight. So always fight back!!!
AlabamaNerd
My principal told me to hit a kid that was bullying me. I did hit him, won, and didn’t get punished. Best principal ever.
CharitableDegenerate
I memba in MS I hit a huge growth spurt and was able to defend myself. Then my bullies ratted on me for fighting back, said I bullied them->
CharitableDegenerate
My only saving grace was a dean who knew me and understood that anti-bullying PSA’s are full of crap and so were my bullies
Unix347
Best vacation I ever got from school
oldguyexlurker
Not always. The 70s were a bit different. A bully got his nose bloodied amd the principal would tell his folks he asked for it.
kimbaloo
And it also happens with the parents of bullies. My one son was being bullied by a kid in friend group. He started to stick up for himself..
kimbaloo
And so did others in the friend group and then I got a text from the mom accusing my son of the bullying! I called bullshit in so many words
kimbaloo
And haven’t had a problem since.
DigitalPizza
Hence the stupidity of "zero tolerance" policies.
WolfRexV3
More like 0 tolerance to doing anything about it
heartlessninja6
“Zero tolerance” just translates to “Blame the victim”.
shyasen
I got jumped by 3 guys in HS. They didn't know I have a particular set of skills. Assistant principle saw it all, I got 3 days detention.
XenoWoof
Twice.. twice I went for help, and both times, it backfired and it made the bullies, meaner - I hated school.
XenoWoof
I talked to teachers/counsellors, didn't even engage the bullies.
ComicPi
I told my bully's grandma after the teachers did nothing, I don't know the rest but he stopped going to my school
Superones
The more you tried to lessen the beatings, the more people showed up for your next one. I know how you feel.
XenoWoof
Thanks dude/dudette. I know I'm not alone, but helps. Seems you've had your share.
NightPainPoe
It's why you gotta fight back and make it a hassle for them. You're going to get in trouble either way. So fuck it, beat their asses
SadlyiExist
It's easier to deal with the less aggressive side, bullies usually don't stop after their first suspension
stabthecrab
I blasted a bully in the head with a tub of hot cheese when I was 14. The school punished him for starting it. Sometime the system works
garfield529
Asshat jumped a buddy before a big track meet because he knew both would be expelled and buddy would not be able to compete. Horseshit.
gorillaClutch
Yep, I once shoved a girl who punched me in the back, I had to stand in the hallway with the teacher in between class for a few weeks.
RideTheStimutacs
I think I would've just stopped going if they pulled that shit on me.
RideTheStimutacs
A guy in my HS was cornering girls and forcing them to kiss him. They were all scared to come forward, so I'd smack him every chance I got.
RideTheStimutacs
I never got in trouble because he knew he'd get in much bigger trouble.
duhqueenmoki
I'm a teacher. Had a bully in my class. Another kid finally got fed up and kicked his ass in the middle of my class. I watched. They were-
duhqueenmoki
-both sent to the office but I called the principal to defend the kid, who was sent home for a day (no other punishment). I regret nothing.
HamshanksCPS
What I've noticed is that any school that has a zero tolerance policy only uses that when someone is defending themselves.
Chibo3000
From the story it sounds like she was defending herself from sexual harassment (minimum)
Chibo3000
Ignore my other comment, someone posts the actual article from 2019 further down. It's got a lot more going on.
Chibo3000
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/alaska-expelled-girl-kicking-boy-bathroom-transgender-protes
cuzitsthere
So, A part of that article made it seem like the boys were mad about the selfie, not the trans person specifically. Still, expulsion seems..
cuzitsthere
A bit excessive. Doesn't seem like either party were intending real harm and the girl panicked. No way to know if someone's lying, though.
Chibo3000
The article isn't really clear. My first read through I thought there is a photo with text that is confusing. I'm guessing it's the boys??
CheddarBae
My cousin was part of a group of girls that were violated in, I think, 5th grade by boys who locked the classroom door and had lookouts...
CheddarBae
when the teacher would walk out for a few minutes. One girl's parents found out & sued the school a few years later. Not sure if they won...
CheddarBae
& nothing was done for my cousin or the other girls.
lindydanny
Was suspended multiple times for not wanting to be punched in the nose.
Denim777
same. got kicked out of highschool for 1 punch after a push+ threats. was a cops kid, + new principal who wanted to make an example of me.
ShaunDreclin
My brother came home from school one day with a boot print on his face. Mom told him next time, fight back. He did, was never bothered again
ShaunDreclin
They wanted to expel him for beating the shit out of those kids. Mom threatened to sue the school board for not preventing it.
KingPeasant
NicolasKevinMac
Not "always" - only in the past twenty or so years. Which yes, is a long time, but the point is, it's not inherent - it can be changed back.
Lightsmith
Well... there was no violence against the girl so its not really fighting back.
RideTheStimutacs
Assault is the threat of violence. Boys going into a girls bathroom and blocking their way out is unlawful detainment with threat of harm.
Lightsmith
Assault does not give the right to batter a person. People seem to not understand that.
RideTheStimutacs
Battery is absolutely warranted in self defense from assault. There are mountains of legal cases like this.
Lightsmith
No it isn't. If someone says "I'm going to kick your ass" you don't have the right to hit them. If someone stands near you you cannot hit
r4wb3rry
No shit, I went to a “zero tolerance” highschool and once got pushed down stairs and we were both suspended for “fighting”
ClericOfTheProsperityGospel
Yeah. Doesn't make it better. This happened awhile ago too. So it didn't shock any change into that horseshit system.
peoplesen
Not always
GiNgErSnApBiTcH
teachers don’t.. admin does
gwhh
True
somethingsomethingusernamey
What relevance does that have to the case in hand?
GoddamndSexualTyranosaur
Zero-tolerance, ensuring violence meets no consequences while tarnishing the records of those who suffered it all
wolfman492
I actually got in school suspension for NOT fighting back, I’ve always been a big guy, so just stood there and let the kid punch me 1/
wolfman492
The principal told the kid he was lucky it was me and I could take it since it would have been worse if it was smaller and he hurt them 2/
wolfman492
While in the suspension I had to write what I would do differently, so just wrote “fight back”... that was not appreciated lol 3/3
weareready
There was a bully that terrorized the school that I punched. Got suspended but all the teachers respected me for it.
TinyBadger101
And if she was gang-raped, they would have asked "why didn't you fight back?". That poor girl couldn't win.
truflehunter
Bullshit teachers turn a blind eye. We report it to admin who brush it under the rug. And we have no recourse. Teachers care. Enough of -->
truflehunter
This we dont care bullshit. Ive had enough.
PrincessDaystar
Mmm disagree. Was bullied bad in middle school, teachers did nothing. No reports or anything, parents went in at least twice a week for
PrincessDaystar
The entire three years i was there. Only action finally took place when i stabbed the bully(w pencil). He was expelled i was suspended
PrincessDaystar
Not punished at home though. Fuck teachers who dont intervene, and fuck the administrations that dont allow them too, or hide it.
hwatL4bloopy
Ugh yeah she was supposed to shoot them in self defence.
MLGsamantha
Unironically the reason there's so many school shootings. When kids get punished by the school for being bullied, they're gonna snap.
MidoryMoon
CoffeeDaemon
WUNK
NicolasKevinMac
"Say goodbye to your two best friends. And I don't mean your pals in the Winnebago"
mratio
*seconds beforehand
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PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
Such a fantastic movie. Fight me (at least 7 of you).
turdfuerguson
I watch this movie at least 4 times a year. Come to think of it my quarterly viewing is coming up
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
One of the, if not the, best comic book translations, hands down.
DyceCA
In sixth grade I was very developed. Boys would run up and grab them (fkn ouch) and run off. Teachers just advised I keep my books over -
DyceCA
- my chest. Never let my guard down. 'They can't help it, you have to be the mature one'. I reckon not much has changed since 1993.
TheSonAndHeirOfNothingInParticular
It hasn't. Strict dress codes for girls because "boys can't control themselves if you dress a certain way". Boys damn well better learn to.
KRicci
I always wonder how they think those boys are going to grow up and work with women if they don't learn even a modicum of self control
TheSonAndHeirOfNothingInParticular
They figure they'll eventually grow out of it, without realizing that if boys aren't taught how to act, they'll think their behavior is OK.
KRicci
Yup. And letting them fail to learn self control hurts everyone.
thiswillonlyhurtabit
A kid in my school got cornered by 4 kids, he broke the one kids arm and gave 2 others a concussion, per policy he got suspended for 1 day
RCSpotz
and nothing for the 4 kids who did the cornering?
Nobody7713
If that were my kid he'd be going to an amusement park or the movies or something on that 1 day suspension.
DVSBSTrD
The rest of the class when he returned
markmcn87
Was that kid Chuck Liddell or something?
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
A fair price. I'm guessing nobody's gonna try shit with the kid who beat 4v1 odds.
CodeBit
Or risk a broken appendage
TenguKaiju
If you're gonna be punished anyway, might as well make an example.
CodeBit
Enders Game
FuckingTurtleBear
thought so too
rijstewafels
I didn't know there were schools on the north pole
StephenDaniels
Its bullshit. Alaska is 2000 miles from the North Pole.
verdenvidia
ackshually North Pole, Alaska is only 1,700 miles away from the north pole, thank you very much
Hexrowe
Not any better in context https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/alaska-expelled-girl-kicking-boy-bathroom-transgender-protes
DonteHaversham
Wow. That's pretty messed up on enough levels that i don't know where to start in
fnordy
Loves the matter-of-fact feel of this quote: "As the first boy in the group made it past the door of the bathroom, a girl who was leaving
fnordy
"the restroom kicked him in the groin, Gaborik said. All the boys turned around and left the area."
sometwatstolemyusername
Seems quite a bit better in context as long as you aren't applying a double standard
Lightsmith
Honestly context helps the boys case. Post made it seem like the boys were blocking her. They were just trying to enter.
Lightsmith
They weren't attempting physical harm or endangering anyone. Just being juvenile. Kick was not warranted, although expulsion is excessive
backrideup9
Dont gave kids, do ya? Tell your female friends to wait and find out what happens before defending themselves. 1/
backrideup9
The world is too changed from 30 years ago when it *maybe* would have been harmless fun. Cant take the risk anymore.
Lightsmith
Eh. So if a trans woman goes in and a woman feels in danger she can kick them?
Elkarlo77
One Girl trying to exit the bathroom and one boy has entered and 6 staying outside and so it looks like a boys raid, and not way out.
Elkarlo77
So she started screaming (for help) and kicking (to keep them at away).The question is: is it right to punish self preservation instincts
Lightsmith
I didn't see any mention of screaming. Also the objective wasn't to attack her. Blocking may be interpreted by her simply by them trying to
Xenarion
It's unsure. The girl says they did block her, but it's not clear if it was their intent or just because they were entering by the door.
taurondir
ONE exit from an enclosed, mostly soundproof location, and a girl was blocked in by a crowd of boys. What the FUCK were the boys expecting.
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EngravedToaster
Unless it's an All Gender restroom, they should be suspended for even walking in there.
30Jonseredi
>but that's definitely a means for a suspension right there as how it should've gone down is them taking the selfie and then leaving
marrymewabecca
What happens if she doesn’t do something.
PriscillaTheMoonDaemon
Well it’s difficult to know how it actually went down as the girl says the boy was blocking her from leaving, before kicking him
PriscillaTheMoonDaemon
Which I would say is justifiable. Otherwise it depends but expelling her was not a reasonable thing to do. They should have given
PriscillaTheMoonDaemon
Mandatory therapy and suspension
marrymewabecca
You have to realize that the group of boys were blocking the door. If a single girl is blocked in a room with a group of boys, fight (1)
Steel6633
But according to her own words, they weren't "blocking" the door. She opened the door and they were all there getting ready to walk in. (1)
Steel6633
She said she saw them and got scared so she hit the kid. She made a mistake. He made a mistake. Suspended, sure, expelled is a bit much. (2)
StellarJay77
With only visual ques, you tell me how the girl is supposed to know the boys intend to come into the girls bathroom to take a selfie.
marrymewabecca
Or flight kicks in. She doesn’t have time to think “what level of force should I use,” she just does it, because she doesn’t want to know(2)
relsky
"How it should've gone down is to let the boys do what they wanted in the girls restroom" is a hell of a take.
EngravedToaster
I had a male coworker who liked to poop in the women's restroom. He got caught and told if he did it again he would be fired. That's adults.
Jak8714
If a boy wants to take photos on an empty bathroom as a form of protest, it’s fine with me. But trapping a young girl in that same bathroom-
Jak8714
I don’t think they meant harm, I’m not sure they did anything wrong, but I don’t blame her for panicking either.
30Jonseredi
Physical violence being the better option over taking a selfie in the bathroom is the hell of a take here if you ask me. The boys were>
30Jonseredi
>obviously in the wrong here without a shadow of a doubt, but there was surely other ways the situation could've been handled better
PriscillaTheMoonDaemon
Is buzzfeed a reputable news source? I genuinely don’t know
Hitsuzen9
Buzzfeed tends to be quizs and shit where as buzzfeednews is informative articles buzzfeednews has even won awards for its reporting
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
But straight up fuck Buzzfeednews for buying HuffPoCanada RIGHT after HPC workers agreed to unionize, thus invalidating that decision.
Hitsuzen9
Thats more of a fuck Huff Canada thing in my opinion an outside company like BF may not have even known the workers were unionizing
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
https://pressprogress.ca/shocked-and-angry-buzzfeed-shuts-down-huff-post-canada-only-two-weeks-after-journalists-filed-to-unionize
preparationh67
buzzfeednews.com isnt the list website, its the journalism wing and its embarrassingly not garbage
Hitsuzen9
From what i gather buzzfeed uses the ad revenue from the listcles to fund the journalism
preparationh67
embarrassing to other news orgs, I should probably be more clear
Hexrowe
Dunno in general, but the details seem to be corroborated by other sources as well.
Hexrowe
https://www.alaskapublic.org/2019/04/17/north-pole-high-bathroom-incident-raises-concerns-over-bullying-policy
Hexrowe
https://apnews.com/article/9d23b72dd4ff41428ceba6a364c779b6
TheCroaker
Buzzfeed is only reputable when facts match their bias
cuzitsthere
What bias?
StellarJay77
Every news group has a bias, totally different than being factual. BuzzFeed News has a pretty good track record.of being factually accurate.
tyr2180
Wow you really took the hit for that one. It’s always telling when you ask a person to list an unbiased news site. The answer just informs >
tyr2180
> you of their bias.
TheCroaker
Exactly my point. But apparently people here love buzzfeed for some reason
SuperLuigiBrothers
Buzzfeed news has won multiple awards for excellences in journalism, so yes.
StellarJay77
BuzzFeed news has a decent track record of doing good factual journalism.
Lightsmith
They own huffpost now.
MinimumContributor
The same info is found many other places including fox61. She was barred from prom while the boy were allowed to go
erischilde
They switched from quizzes to actually recognized news. Weird shift, kind of the opposite of expected.
Xenarion
Apparantly Buzzfeednews yes. From what I've been told, they only share the Buzzfeed name but have completely separate teams and direction.
hwatL4bloopy
Ewww please don't take selfies I'm bathrooms that's not cool. Also wtf is wrong with those boys
RevolutionOnHerLips
transphobes gonna transphobe
Xenarion
That is true. I guess it was for a statement, but it's still kinda gross. I really hope there wasn't anyone else there.
hwatL4bloopy
Yeah it's like taking a picture in a locker room. Very in appropriate and potentially a privacy issue
HappyLittleAutie
The student is transitioning from female to male so likely the “selfie” was to record what was a momentous “first” in the boys room for them
RevolutionOnHerLips
And that would be a big "first" to a trans kid!
Taxicat
Those boys have been taught that they’re entitled to rule the world and that being a “real man” is an exclusive club that must be >
Taxicat
>protected from any “undesirable” invaders.
FSMPirate
"We do not advocate physical or psychological violence as a means to attain safety," I'm done.
swellguy18
Securing your safety is or the safety of others against real threat is one of the only times violence is acceptable by most ethical models.
grimwyrd
Exactly! If you do not have the right to protect yourself... what rights do you really have?
pobbitSbreaker
Life, liberty and pursuit of go fuck yourself!
SoupForMyFamily
Why you should punch Nazis (a thread)
MasterWo1f
Fuck Nazis, intolerance for the intolerant
SoupForMyFamily
SkyRattlers
Every school I ever attended as a kid or worked in as an adult has a clear no violence policy. Automatic suspension. 1/
Elkarlo77
The question is: Did the girl saw another way out? 7 Boys entering the Restroom, when she is at the door? She needed to prevent to be locked
dagginakki
If they wanted to harm her do you actually think that 1 kick would have stopped them? Why not just call for help and lock yourself in a stal
SkyRattlers
The boys may have been wrong in their actions, that’s for the school admins to decide. But the girl was clearly wrong by choosing violence.
ZyxMonster
When faced with a threat of a group of guys entering a womens restroom and you're a lone girl: strike first and strike hard enough to escape
itsdanegerous
The boys acted based on transphobia, and then cried when the rhetoric of their “fears” of school bathroom policies are perpetuated. Gtfo
Corrodias
"School policy" does not get to decide what is "wrong". It may have violated the policy. That doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad choice.
ZyxMonster
As a girl, if I'm alone trying to leave the restroom and a group of guys try to walk in, I'm throwing punches, not waiting to be trapped
dagginakki
As a guy, id rather just try to get to a stall and call help rather than try to fight 7 guys at once.
ZyxMonster
Not with those public bathroom stalls that have like 2ft gaps at the bottom. Good luck with that
ColClone54
If I had a daughter in that situation I would hope & expect her to use every skill I had taught her. If you don't get it, I hope you never
ColClone54
never have to experience it through your child's trauma, but I do hope you have the image of that trauma haunt your dreams & often.
siccoyote
to be fair, if a m-ftrans went in the girls toilet, took and posted a selfie, Would their not be a bit of an unroar? and then if a girl...
siccoyote
...then went into the boys bathroom and was attacked, would there not be an uproar again?
Hexrowe
Just to reply to this directly - yes, there ARE uproars about trans girls using the girls' bathroom, and THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
siccoyote
Just to be clear if 7 trans girls going to take a selfie, shouldn't get kicked in the balls? but 7 boys fair game, but physically the same.
Hexrowe
I mean, if your conception of trans girl is a boy in drag...
Hexrowe
The thing there is that the whole situation is IN NO WAY fair or symmetrical to begin with.
siccoyote
So we agree it's not fair
Hexrowe
I don't know if we mean quite the same thing? I mean the inherent power imbalance makes any abstract kind of "fairness" kinda meaningless.