So you know how when people are like "You can't tell me what to do". Guess fucking what. I'm moving FURTHER left now. Universal Healthcare, Universal Basic Income, Free Pet Adoptions. Low Cost Housing. Push me further and I will demand FREE housing. I'm so far leftist, I'm friends with Mister Rogers.
At some point, we have to find a way to force the media to stop giving a voice to politicians who are no longer relevant. If you’ve been voted out of office, or forced out due to scandal, I don’t need to hear whatever crazy bedbugs of thought are infecting your brain. Move along, you’re all done.
Jesus these fucks just don't get it. Progress is going to fucking happen. Period. Boomers need to stfu and die out already, it's fucking old at this point.
People are waking up after Trump and what Israel has done. This is terrifying to the Dems. They want to keep the status quo, give the people a few crumbs and continue to take in money from donors. The recent win in Michigan has mainline Democrats shaking in their boots. Keep pushing further to the left and there might still be hope for the US
If they go far left more people will vote for them. Because they are losing their base voters because they keep playing to the right instead of the left. Because the Establishment Democrats are Right wing Conservatives and are only Left wing Socially. Their voters want Left wing economics, that's why there's so much energy around the socialist candidates with Democrat voters.
Cuomo, the traitor asshole who created a splinter caucus in the state assembly to break the democratic majority? There’s a reason every Democrat in NY fucking hates him.
I seem to recall a lot of normal establishment trash saying things like, the right should not veer so far right and become fascist cunts and yet the second they won they all shut their mouths got on their knees and started sucking that orange dick. So I'm pretty sure we're supposed to go as far the other way as we can and drag this country out of the mud
Money talks and bullshit sells ads. Even rage clicks are still engagement. The people who give him a microphone have no more morals than the sex pest himself does
Yeah. Old guard is not listening to their base once again. We'll see if the new batch of old people realign. Their leadership seems diverse but they are all corporatists when you dig what they stand for
Remember when Democrats proudly told people not to vote "blue no matter who" the second Cuomo lost the primary?
Remember when Democrats proudly supported Cuomo as "the real leader of America" during COVID even as his policies resulted in the highest number of COVID deaths due to his refusal to close essential businesses?
you say that but the second you criticize other Democrats for doing the same shit liberals come running to defend them. Which tells me people didn't so much remember the bad shit as for some reason find it less excuseable in his case
That beat reminded me that before he was a political candidate, Mamdani was known as Mr. Cardamon, he's a pretty good rapper and made a song about how cool his grandmother is: https://youtu.be/iQVsVNPkPmE
People are still conflating modern Liberalism with the definition John Locke created in his political theorem. Modern Liberalism is no better than an Oligarchical Democracy, deliberately restricting the means of power by consolidating it into a handful of individuals they expressly have control over. Neo Liberals only care about money, and the means of maintaining the acquisition of it. They do not care if they destroy democracy in the process to keep power, an will become fascists eventually.
Bruh, none of what you said is in disagreement to what I have said. Almost everyone in the DNC is a NeoLib, not *actual* liberals from John Locke's theorem. Save for a handful of representatives who are basically Social Democrats, all of them are sellouts trying to maintain the status quo, which is eroding our democratic rights by siding with fascism for personal gain. Neoliberals are just Fascists moving slower to the right. In the modern day, "LIberal" is interchangeable with "Neo Liberal".
Yeah. Refuse to talk about trans people. Don't defend Palestine. Tough on Crime. Refund the Police. Healthcare is Great. Corporations are Great. It worked for President Kamala Harris, and it'll work for you too!
Those politicians saying shit like “woke 1 was crazy” are betraying the people. They make it sound like those were an edgy teen phase instead of the bare minimum. Defund the police is still necessary.
I was listening to a Jon Stewart interview talking about how Woke 1 went too far because some candidate said something about Thanksgiving being bad years ago. I can't take these people seriously. Trump's saying immigrants are poisoning the blood of the country, but some randos and no names are complaining about Thanksgiving are the real problem. The entire government is full of Nazis but tumblr teens are the problem. There's no equivalency. It's braindead clown shit
Exactly this! All it is is ceding to the framing of right wingers. Rather than actually engage with the people and dtand on principle, these people are just saying "yeah, the right has a point, we should pull back." Why do we care if what we say makes us less popular with Nazis? They're Nazis. Fuck them.
If Trump's taught me anything, it's that people will believe what their side tells them to believe. People's opinions will change on a dime if they're told to. I shit on Obama for being a coward on gay rights (among many other things). People tell me that he was just following public opinion to get elected (as if that's an excuse). Republicans are dragging the country right, Democrats are trying to meet centrist voters where they are while the center keeps moving right.
Exactly. Liberals insist that defending the status quo of big money crapping on people will really work, if we give it one more chance. It's no different than trickle down economics.
what's the democrat ideology? like what they said makes it seem like there's some philosophical requirement to be a democrat. Here in ohio you just need a nominal number of voters to sign off on you to run as one(think it's 1% of voters registered dem from the last election in the district, would have to look it up again).
Ah yes, anarchy where the *checks notes* government gets turned into whoever is the strongest controls what happens in the area you are in. *looks around* huh seems kinda familiar tbh
Neither of those result in large swathes of random potentially warring groups. In fact, when people have support, like in socialism, they tend to be pretty damn chill.
I like how you call it propaganda though lmao. What I said is what results from anarchy. Congrats you got rid of big government, and now you have tons of tiny governments with 0 oversight
Tiny governments? Brother, that's not anarchy. You're relying on misinformation and propaganda peddled by authoritarian regimes with 0 understanding of history.
Both right-wing and left-wing authoritarians hold this same position. That should be an immediate red flag.
Oh the fuckin irony of you posing the same whataboutism that never logic'd out any of the other times as "the strong argument".
Man stfu lol. You're describing how things are right now. NYC is experiencing what things COULD be like.
How ANYONE is dumb enough to listen to ANYONE saying "whats happening now will happen, but worse!" to the solutions to problems is, literally why the billion dollar propaganda machine works.
.. And now we've gone into "Socialism is a synonym for Communism" and also pretense that places like modern China are Communist, I see. Well, you have fun with that.
The real Jesus wanted people to stone their disobedient children and have everyone who didn't think he was literally God executed in front of him. Let's not act like he was a good dude.
Mark 7:10, Jesus tells off the Pharisees for not following the law to stone children. Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus says that the law should be followed forever. He never pushed back against the punitive laws of the Hebrew Bible, he only endorsed it. It's fine if you've never read the book, but don't come to me talking about things you know nothing about.
Dumb ass. He's using it as a rhetorical weapon against the Pharisees to call out their hypocrisy. His point is that they were letting people dodge financial obligations to their parents by declaring money "Corban" (a temple offering), and he's saying: you're so proud of following the law, but you're actually violating its spirit by letting people abandon their parents.So he's citing the severity of the law to shame religious leaders for undermining family obligation through a legal loophole.
No, he's not. Again, I know you've never read the book, but his point is that they are following the oral law instead of the written law. Which he did want them to follow. Don't just go to the first apologetics website you see in a 5 second Google search, it's not going to help you.
Essentially , the irony is the weapon. The priests to him to police his followers' adherence to tradition, and he turns it around and says you're violating something far more serious than hand-washing rituals — and your own law says people like you should die for it. That's the law he's citing. There's no children involved in this situation, he's not even saying the priests should die, just that the law they claim to follow so closely says they should.
Cuomo remembers the utter shit show the Democrats have been since 2016. It took a fucking lunatic in office for middle America to vote in Biden. Then they fucked up 2024. Biden? Lol. Harris? The country chose a lying bastard over those two clowns who refused to listen to middle America: jobs, immigration. Instead, the party story was: anti-immigration? Ur racists! Don't like Harris? Racist/Sexist. Now the complaint is not far left enough? That's another election lost.
Oh, you're talking Cuomo. Rapist? He hasn't been charged or indicted, so no. Fascist? That's hyperbole. Save your pejoratives for our current administration where there's factual evidence. Do I like and respect Cuomo? No. Presidential material? No. Good man? No. I'd put him on Schwarzenegger level of contempt.
Well they simped for Bloomberg's presidential run multiple times so presumably they're one of those "they're terkin er jerbs and all lazy on welfare" morons
AtLeastImWearingUnderwear
If the Democrats moved to the left, they'd end up in the centre.
rdewalt
So you know how when people are like "You can't tell me what to do". Guess fucking what. I'm moving FURTHER left now. Universal Healthcare, Universal Basic Income, Free Pet Adoptions. Low Cost Housing. Push me further and I will demand FREE housing. I'm so far leftist, I'm friends with Mister Rogers.
Rangar
Far left politics in the US is ultra conservatism in the rest of the world.
dleeb
The fuck we go, Andrew
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"The money doesn't like it and no one likes the people anyway."
tzahtman
Establishment Dems will side with White Christian Nationalists before they betray their corporate sponsors.
mrthewhitee
I don't take advice from losers either, especially not someone who lost the same race twice.
Bananasareagovconspiracy
At some point, we have to find a way to force the media to stop giving a voice to politicians who are no longer relevant. If you’ve been voted out of office, or forced out due to scandal, I don’t need to hear whatever crazy bedbugs of thought are infecting your brain. Move along, you’re all done.
battleofhastings1066
Loser says what?
AnonsAndMinions
Jesus these fucks just don't get it. Progress is going to fucking happen. Period. Boomers need to stfu and die out already, it's fucking old at this point.
Akule
Known Sex Pest: "DON'T RESIST ME, BUT RESIST GOING LEFT!!11!"
BuckDitkis
People are waking up after Trump and what Israel has done. This is terrifying to the Dems. They want to keep the status quo, give the people a few crumbs and continue to take in money from donors. The recent win in Michigan has mainline Democrats shaking in their boots. Keep pushing further to the left and there might still be hope for the US
BrokenAnimal
Oh come on, we all know that anything to the left of hunting poor people for sport is communism, and we can't have that. /s just in case.
spiderjohn36
This coming from someone who would likely call Joe Manchin a "centrist". Cuomo should...
Targe0
If they go far left more people will vote for them.
Because they are losing their base voters because they keep playing to the right instead of the left.
Because the Establishment Democrats are Right wing Conservatives and are only Left wing Socially. Their voters want Left wing economics, that's why there's so much energy around the socialist candidates with Democrat voters.
Hiynastrike
Do not take political advice from a man who used AI in campaign attack ads against Mayor Mamdani because he couldn't win his own party's primary
GrimleyGraves
The farther right you pull the pendulum, the farther left it will swing if you let go. That's why they are desperate to keep ahold of it.
ThatQuietlySmirking
PACs are really going after Abdul El-Sayed. I see a ton of commercials calling him an extremist and a socialist and dangerous.
CrimsonPermanentAssurance
And an Islamist which most people cant define but sounds scary to them
Comet260
Same for Marxist.
VagabondEngineer
If I was far left I WOULD have already be using the guillotine....
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mardukkur
Cuomo, the traitor asshole who created a splinter caucus in the state assembly to break the democratic majority? There’s a reason every Democrat in NY fucking hates him.
Jewdakris
I seem to recall a lot of normal establishment trash saying things like, the right should not veer so far right and become fascist cunts and yet the second they won they all shut their mouths got on their knees and started sucking that orange dick. So I'm pretty sure we're supposed to go as far the other way as we can and drag this country out of the mud
jonalexassblast
Dr. El-Sayed
EverNotRelevant
You'd think it wouldn't be hard to resist giving the sex pest loser any column space. AND YET.
Daliena06
Money talks and bullshit sells ads. Even rage clicks are still engagement. The people who give him a microphone have no more morals than the sex pest himself does
CrisprCAS
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glovelyday
OperatorWay
sitenickname
Cuomo isn't even a Democrat anymore.
He Mamdani'd himself out.
igetit41
I mean, that does sound like the main DNC talking point at the moment...
Targe0
It's the Establishment faction of the Democrats.
They are Economic conservatories, they are just more Socially progressive than the Republicans are.
Marsupialmessiah
Yeah. Old guard is not listening to their base once again. We'll see if the new batch of old people realign. Their leadership seems diverse but they are all corporatists when you dig what they stand for
blaghart
Remember when Democrats proudly told people not to vote "blue no matter who" the second Cuomo lost the primary?
Remember when Democrats proudly supported Cuomo as "the real leader of America" during COVID even as his policies resulted in the highest number of COVID deaths due to his refusal to close essential businesses?
Pepperidge Farm Remembers.
whereismymind86
So did everyone else, which is why mamdani stomped his ass in the election last year with the radical platform of being kind and decent
blaghart
you say that but the second you criticize other Democrats for doing the same shit liberals come running to defend them. Which tells me people didn't so much remember the bad shit as for some reason find it less excuseable in his case
Comet260
Cuomo promised he'd move to Florida if he lost.
IAmDuckHammer
New Florida state welcoming sign - Welcome to Florida. We love Pedophiles.
DangerBaer
"Florida is for pedos" has a familiar ring to it.
Kinda like "Virginia is for lovers".
Comet260
And all other sexual predators.
AllAnusMorissette
why would anyone bother listening to him at this point?
DidItForScience
That beat reminded me that before he was a political candidate, Mamdani was known as Mr. Cardamon, he's a pretty good rapper and made a song about how cool his grandmother is: https://youtu.be/iQVsVNPkPmE
bananabonanza3
That’s such a powerful edit. I really hope politicians all over are taking note
awkungen42
People really don't know liberals are just slightly less right Republicans?
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ImJustHereAtThisPoint
How about that New Deal? Did folks hate that whole "Middle Class" thing?
LonelyHumanBoy
People are still conflating modern Liberalism with the definition John Locke created in his political theorem. Modern Liberalism is no better than an Oligarchical Democracy, deliberately restricting the means of power by consolidating it into a handful of individuals they expressly have control over. Neo Liberals only care about money, and the means of maintaining the acquisition of it. They do not care if they destroy democracy in the process to keep power, an will become fascists eventually.
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LonelyHumanBoy
Bruh, none of what you said is in disagreement to what I have said. Almost everyone in the DNC is a NeoLib, not *actual* liberals from John Locke's theorem. Save for a handful of representatives who are basically Social Democrats, all of them are sellouts trying to maintain the status quo, which is eroding our democratic rights by siding with fascism for personal gain. Neoliberals are just Fascists moving slower to the right. In the modern day, "LIberal" is interchangeable with "Neo Liberal".
allergictocantaloupe
Yeah. Refuse to talk about trans people. Don't defend Palestine. Tough on Crime. Refund the Police. Healthcare is Great. Corporations are Great. It worked for President Kamala Harris, and it'll work for you too!
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Those politicians saying shit like “woke 1 was crazy” are betraying the people. They make it sound like those were an edgy teen phase instead of the bare minimum. Defund the police is still necessary.
allergictocantaloupe
I was listening to a Jon Stewart interview talking about how Woke 1 went too far because some candidate said something about Thanksgiving being bad years ago. I can't take these people seriously. Trump's saying immigrants are poisoning the blood of the country, but some randos and no names are complaining about Thanksgiving are the real problem. The entire government is full of Nazis but tumblr teens are the problem. There's no equivalency. It's braindead clown shit
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Exactly this! All it is is ceding to the framing of right wingers. Rather than actually engage with the people and dtand on principle, these people are just saying "yeah, the right has a point, we should pull back." Why do we care if what we say makes us less popular with Nazis? They're Nazis. Fuck them.
allergictocantaloupe
If Trump's taught me anything, it's that people will believe what their side tells them to believe. People's opinions will change on a dime if they're told to. I shit on Obama for being a coward on gay rights (among many other things). People tell me that he was just following public opinion to get elected (as if that's an excuse). Republicans are dragging the country right, Democrats are trying to meet centrist voters where they are while the center keeps moving right.
cheeriossuckbecause7
Exactly. Liberals insist that defending the status quo of big money crapping on people will really work, if we give it one more chance. It's no different than trickle down economics.
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SinStar87
how are they democrats then?
cheeriossuckbecause7
Both parties are more interested in maintaining things as they are. That carries across ideology, and so they can be on either side.
SinStar87
what's the democrat ideology? like what they said makes it seem like there's some philosophical requirement to be a democrat. Here in ohio you just need a nominal number of voters to sign off on you to run as one(think it's 1% of voters registered dem from the last election in the district, would have to look it up again).
Apeofdeath
The Governments sole purpose should be helping people, end of story
Targe0
The issue is, no one agrees about what helping people means.
wejustdontknow
'Should' is carrying a lot of weight there.
AShartInTheWind
The government's only purpose is serving those with power. Under socialism, the government would come to serve the elite political class.
Anarchy is the only way to ensure abuse and exploitation actually stops.
bamblebimble
Ah yes, anarchy where the *checks notes* government gets turned into whoever is the strongest controls what happens in the area you are in. *looks around* huh seems kinda familiar tbh
AShartInTheWind
Do you use the same propaganda to oppose socialism and/or communism as well?
bamblebimble
Neither of those result in large swathes of random potentially warring groups. In fact, when people have support, like in socialism, they tend to be pretty damn chill.
I like how you call it propaganda though lmao. What I said is what results from anarchy. Congrats you got rid of big government, and now you have tons of tiny governments with 0 oversight
AShartInTheWind
Tiny governments? Brother, that's not anarchy. You're relying on misinformation and propaganda peddled by authoritarian regimes with 0 understanding of history.
Both right-wing and left-wing authoritarians hold this same position. That should be an immediate red flag.
Daliena06
"Under socialism, the government would come to serve the elite political class."
Ah, the classic "Here's why I hate socialism *proceeds to describe current capitalist system*"
AShartInTheWind
I'm also describing the Soviet Union, China, and Cuba.
I'm also staunchly Anti-Capitalist, so your tired argument isn't going to work.
BorkSamson
Oh the fuckin irony of you posing the same whataboutism that never logic'd out any of the other times as "the strong argument".
Man stfu lol. You're describing how things are right now. NYC is experiencing what things COULD be like.
How ANYONE is dumb enough to listen to ANYONE saying "whats happening now will happen, but worse!" to the solutions to problems is, literally why the billion dollar propaganda machine works.
AShartInTheWind
I love how you have to manipulate words to make your argument. You auth-comms are no different from the capitalists. You just want power.
Daliena06
.. And now we've gone into "Socialism is a synonym for Communism" and also pretense that places like modern China are Communist, I see. Well, you have fun with that.
AShartInTheWind
Explain to me your idea of Socialism that's different from Communism. In implementation, practice, and long term outcomes.
I swear, if you start describing capitalism with social programs, I'm gonna smack you.
WolvesAreTheBestPeople
Only as left as Jesus. The real Jesus. NOT Republican Jesus.
URNOTFUNNY1226
CrisprCAS
The real Jesus wanted people to stone their disobedient children and have everyone who didn't think he was literally God executed in front of him. Let's not act like he was a good dude.
phoenix0path
The real Jesus was just some fucking dude. Let's just leave fairy tales out of it, k?
Cognit0Hazard
You're full of shit. Of all the things to complain about in christianity, Jesus constantly pushed back on punitive applications of Old Testament law.
CrisprCAS
Mark 7:10, Jesus tells off the Pharisees for not following the law to stone children. Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus says that the law should be followed forever. He never pushed back against the punitive laws of the Hebrew Bible, he only endorsed it. It's fine if you've never read the book, but don't come to me talking about things you know nothing about.
Cognit0Hazard
Dumb ass. He's using it as a rhetorical weapon against the Pharisees to call out their hypocrisy. His point is that they were letting people dodge financial obligations to their parents by declaring money "Corban" (a temple offering), and he's saying: you're so proud of following the law, but you're actually violating its spirit by letting people abandon their parents.So he's citing the severity of the law to shame religious leaders for undermining family obligation through a legal loophole.
CrisprCAS
No, he's not. Again, I know you've never read the book, but his point is that they are following the oral law instead of the written law. Which he did want them to follow. Don't just go to the first apologetics website you see in a 5 second Google search, it's not going to help you.
Cognit0Hazard
Essentially , the irony is the weapon. The priests to him to police his followers' adherence to tradition, and he turns it around and says you're violating something far more serious than hand-washing rituals — and your own law says people like you should die for it. That's the law he's citing. There's no children involved in this situation, he's not even saying the priests should die, just that the law they claim to follow so closely says they should.
blaghart
No he doesn't. He's a Democrat.
Cuomo considers anything left of outright fascism to be "left wing extremism"
dirtcreature
Cuomo remembers the utter shit show the Democrats have been since 2016. It took a fucking lunatic in office for middle America to vote in Biden. Then they fucked up 2024. Biden? Lol. Harris? The country chose a lying bastard over those two clowns who refused to listen to middle America: jobs, immigration. Instead, the party story was: anti-immigration? Ur racists! Don't like Harris? Racist/Sexist. Now the complaint is not far left enough? That's another election lost.
blaghart
so tell me, why ARE you defending a serial rapist and fascist, exactly?
dirtcreature
Do you read? See phrase "fucking lunatic".
blaghart
So tell me, why ARE you refusing to acknowledge the crimes of a rapist and a fascist when he's a Democrat, exactly?
dirtcreature
Oh, you're talking Cuomo. Rapist? He hasn't been charged or indicted, so no. Fascist? That's hyperbole. Save your pejoratives for our current administration where there's factual evidence. Do I like and respect Cuomo? No. Presidential material? No. Good man? No. I'd put him on Schwarzenegger level of contempt.
expectnothingstillletdown
What actual problem in your life is being caused by immigration?
dbsamurai
Well they simped for Bloomberg's presidential run multiple times so presumably they're one of those "they're terkin er jerbs and all lazy on welfare" morons