Nov 16, 2016 3:36 AM
TheSuburbanErrorist
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Defektd
As someone who recently started jogging semi daily, I appreciate this post.
TimeAndMemeLordOfGallifrey
Running Potato? Fucking 9gagger...
Hotdoghotdoghotdiggitydog
Better advice: Breathe in on 3 steps, out on 2. So you're not always contacting your diaphragm with the same foot down, and avoids cramps.
babbzilla
Can I hike, swim, Zumba, elliptical, and literally anything else, other than actual running/jogging? Because I hate it with a passion...
Captainplanetmotherfucker
I started running one afternoon and got this terrible pain in my lower abdominal. That was 3 years ago and the pain's still there.
JarJarDrinks
The only time I run is when something is chasing me.
boobphysicist
thanks i run so much better now
Nachman
tapioca12
Neat
Munchman347
Or you could just speed walk and avoid the bad stuff. 'NO, that's too dorky and un-cool looking. I want people to think I'm hip!'...
fbdrtallz
That potato has terrible form.
JadeNB1729
He's being pursued by poorly aliased black lines. You'd be running, too!
YouCapturedMe
Same as the girl in #2
Mydogismybestman
...because potato.
Lambourtitty
I'm laughing so hard right now
SeeMyVests
I Prefer mine in fry form.
The2nd2laststarfighter
All potatoes are required by law to have poor running form. It was in the Monday Morning Report. You did get the memo, didn't you, Bob?
abuildingsea
I am that potato
imgurianitarian
Taters gon' tate.
pookieeatworld
Alligators gonna alligate.
ISeeDeadpool
Taders gon'gate
dopamine14
Baters gonna bate.
yolohater
That was the first test. You've passed.
seesilience
What do you do about runner’s knee?
casinonightz0ne
What do you people plan on running from?
ForReasonsOfScience
Responsibilities.
cokebender
Feelings.
FatForYou
This heavy feeling of weakness and self pity.
n0n53n53
The police
MsNothingMore
Cheers just did my first ever 2k last week and I think I could like this shit
Solazyicanteven
Don't get shin splints they suck
Flyndaran
Tibia, connective tissue, muscles, etc.
Vague wording. It literally means just pain in the lower leg. Many causes and treatments.
I agroed my shin splints trying to catch a bus, didn't catch said bus and sat on the ground clutching my legs. A guy stopped to check on me.
InboxMeYourSpacePics
I have shin splints that won't go away. It's been over a year. I spent half that time not running due to pain. They do suck
have you tried compression socks?
Yeah I did compression socks for a while. Now I've been changing my running form and just got the stick to try and massage the muscles.
tightsarenotpants
Im going on 15 years with shin issues now. Seen tons of doctors, changed my running form, and have been told by trainers that I shouldnt be
A runner. So i still run.
Any advice to work through the pain? My big issue is when I go too hard they hurt all the time, not just when running.
I should mention, running through the pain is prob not healthy. I was determined to run on my HS and college teams. I prob f'ed up my legs.
Taking time off is the only real way. If you must run try icy hot and Motrin. I never raced without those drugs.
Wafflecookie
I used to be made fun of for my running posture, so now I'm really self conscious whenever I run. Plus, I have really bad stamina.. *sigh*
punkrawkmonkey
folder[Health Tips]
IFuckinAtodaso
Making sure to lift my knees was a hard thing for me to learn but it helped
Rynestrm
I know how to run!
alsoAzrael
da fuq?
Jiggsawjazz
where are our tips for beginner couch potatoes? how best do I utilize my recliner? common sofa injuries? tips for maximizing sugar intake?
Chewy4President
Walking! Maybe add a 2min jog. Then in a week add a min or 2. Progress up SLOWLY to avoid injury.
jesus god i'm not trying to walk or run, i'm trying to go from beginner couch potato to expert potato. at least like avid novice.
quicksilver1
Fruit Loops.
Vybors
Here you go: http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/c25k/Pages/get-running-with-couch-to-5k.aspx
morningxafter
I'm saving this telling myself I'll use it, but I know I've just lied to myself.
1MizAshley
Me too!
triplesees
HelpfulHomo
I dont understand what its doing and have a frighten.
lancevanceaus
Also make sure to have good running shoes that are made for your foot type and running gait!
But don't overthink it! Shoe science is pretty well developed and there are hard hundreds of styles and brands which are just fine.
NekoMiko06
Or be like that old dude who went 875km in gumboots and shaved over a day from the world record at the time and led by 10 hours.
DaddysGoneCrazy
Didn't realize I often lean back more then I should like that. +1
ImGoingToEatAllYourApples
It's quite hard to get used to, feels unnatural at first. Legs should move like you are riding a bike. Push off your step with your toes!
Cordycep0
While running, the first thing to go (and quickly) is my lower back; Long before my legs, breath, or heart. Desk jobs maybe?
Pro tip on learning to run correctly: take your shoes off, run, and adjust accordingly. Guarantee you won't run on your heels for long.
The best form is to run on the balls of your feet or at least the first third of your foot.
GudOldeTimey
Are we really gonna trust a guide that comes from the government? I MEAN THEY GOT RUNNING POTATOES
IAmNotASkeleton
They got potatoes? What do I do to get some of said potatoes?
LargeHoman
Guys, I think he's a skeleton, don't answer.
bpetersen
I can never tell if I have good posture while I run. I always end up judging posture from impacts
thisiswhatifeel
Chi running calls it ' running with your heart.'
ebongo91
As much as I love barefoot running, fuck that analogy.
Rabh
good form doesn't need to be dressed up in some mystical bullshit
TheRicM
But mystical bullshit can have some good applications. Tai chi completely helped my breakdancing
LordOfButt
Sick bro
slappyhamsalads
Tai Chi? You should try capoeira
Yes, I got my 2nd belt (cord) in capoeira, and the tai chi also helped that a LOT! :)
conkles
Tai Chi helped my waterbending
idkwhattowriteherehelpme
Also helped me with my rune collection
Dontworrybesalty
So Tai Chi can help you make Chai Tea?
TiniestFox
Northern Shaolin kung fu helped with my Firebending
majemilo
This advice is largely misleading. I'm a coach, former running store manager, and track all American and I couldn't not say something (1)
ehnayehn
Really helpful comments and links, thanks for sharing
This. I've ran in college, coached, and competitively race marathons now. This is too watered down. Strict adherence would get you hurt.
TheMayorOfTittyCity
What do you think about landing on the heel vs toe. Vs midfoot I guess I didn't realize that was an option.
The more important question is where is your foot landing in relation to your body. Anything in front of you (whether it's heel, toe, mid)
Is a braking force that slows you down and puts increased stress on your lower legs (think shin splints, stress fractures, etc). It needs to
Be right underneath you (or damn close) for optimal efficiency. In gonna make a post about this Sunday so I'll tag you
I got a lot of response to this so I'm gonna make a post Sunday, dot of you wanna be tagged
.
galagya
xeroxcocks
subparusersubber
BernieSanders2024
zemthemattress
doot
mrpurpled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OD96zocXRU How's his posture?
The fundamentals are definitely present and really just requires minor adjustments at this point lol
The dude ran for 2&1/2 days straight and shaved nearly 2 days the record for the 875km marathon.
Almost everyone overstrides naturally and in most cases it isn't bad. When someone says lean forward many people will lean from the hips (2)
Making the overstride worse and that's when problems happen. The lean (which is very slight) should happen from the ankles so the body (3)
Nice and straight head to feet. I did form analysis for my athletes so here's a link and hopefully you can take something from it (4)
didgythebat
Thank you. I'm a massage therapist certified in sports massage and work primarily with long distance runners. This post is very misleading.
btimup
Question about the midfoot thing, wouldn't that lead to your foot hitting flat on the pavement? I thought landing toward heel was proper
Itouchthefishy
Thank you for this. I hate misleading articles.
https://youtu.be/mIY4Y5bHskg
PulpFreeNonFiction
Chaituna
SpeedyStefano
Doot
Dracoleviathan
Thank you for this.
Mybrotherkeepssnoopingonmyaccount
Running shit
NicoleRosieRose
. Running, thank you
TOPDown2
5volt
you
Ifulike
< MEGA SUPER ZORD DOT >
chormin
Hate to bother you after so much advice, but I was told to breath over unequal amounts of strides 3in/4ex to prevent cramping, is that real?
Justaguyfromaplace
Dot dot
Sher10ck
tacoking1992
bananastandcheddah
j4n3tw3155
UncleIrohnman
TheCountZA
TheWackoTaco
danyguy201
Arrdyn
ProfessorLeedle
...... Whoops all my marbles fell, eh ill pick em later
vorkje2
heyitsWednesday
Sentinel1108
ohgifmeabreak
olecramsm
bloodhoundgang
Lefingebi
Psythorn
Awesome
gchero77
EducatedBoner
Punto
Expertology
Lurchio
Eversin
m46nu5
Baloetelli
qialex
[deleted]
Bryce!!! Molly told me you love imgur so I'm excited to see you here!
I'm going to figure out who you two are using some classic runner snooping on another. Care to give to me a hint of which state?
Both ran in IL
Do you know James Walters?
I can't say I do. I got too nervous if I knew my competition so I never looked into people
uppydownymoodswingykindofgirl
Any tips on how to fix/work around shin splints?
retrogamer82
In most cases, shin splints are a beginner's problem, they go away. If you are overweight, walking is better for you than running 1/2
You can stay active longer, go farther, and put less stress on your shins/joints. Once you've got the weight down running is much easier 2/2
RunsWithShortShorts
Mother. Fucking. Heel. Drops. Those little shits helped me after like 2 years of stress fractures. That and switching from Nike to HOKA
Pindalyn
I used to have the worst shin splints. Splurged on some awesome shoes, problem solved
New shoes it is, then
I highly, highly, HIGHLY recommend HOKA One One's Clifton model does. I have been running in the Clifton 2s for around a year now (1)
I found getting ones specifically made for stability control work best to help me.
@Chewy4President is absolutely right. Go to a mom and pop shop and have them analyze you. The right shoe has nothing to do with your (1)
High or low arches and your pronation and supination does not automatically mean you need a particular shoe. Expect to spend anywhere (2)
From $90-120 on shoes but trust me, its an investment. Also, replace them every 300-400 miles. Being proactive not reactive to injury
howamigonnabeanoptimistaboutthis
It can be caused by a muscle strength imbalance. Strengthening your calf muscles will help to stabilize the tibia on impact.
3 broad categories of causes all equalling too much stress on leg muscles: 1) old/improper shoes 2) too much, too fast. 3) running form 1/2
Shoes are a huge.You need running shoes for your type of foot. Dick's or Footlocker can't provide that. And shoes get old over time too. 2/2
GiraffesAndCrystalMeth
agreed! 100 miles is about the limit on my shoes; gets expensive but injuries are way worse.
SPCGlitterFart
For a wide foot, Altra is amazing. I've been running in their Superior 2.0 for the past year and a half, amazing, and 0-drop too.
i wear Hokas, and i have not had a single injury since i switched; trail and asphalt shoes are epic.
Iamthismoment
Don't heel strike. Land on the front of your foot and don't wear shoes that have a shit ton of padding.
This is a major misconception. Olympians heel strike on easy runs and its no biggie. Its inefficient for a race but there's more cushion (1)
In the heel of your foot to absorb the stress. Additionally, running on the ball of your foot stresses your calves more which can lead (2)
To tight calves resulting in an imbalance between the calves and shin muscles
socksmcgee
I found adjusting the way my foot hit the ground helped, I try to hit just before my heel first, rather than flat footed 1/2
2/2 Hitting flat footed made it worse! Also worth investing in some decent running shoes and perhaps some insoles - Scholl does good ones
I've never ran flat footed. Always landed on my heels, but that led to shin splints, so I tried running on my toes, but that feels wrong
Get some Scholl insoles - either the gel activ or the shock absorbing ones. What running shoes have you got?
Tried a few different ones, but could probably try a bit more expensive pair as I've been a bit cheap on running shoes in the past
Defektd
As someone who recently started jogging semi daily, I appreciate this post.
TimeAndMemeLordOfGallifrey
Running Potato? Fucking 9gagger...
Hotdoghotdoghotdiggitydog
Better advice: Breathe in on 3 steps, out on 2. So you're not always contacting your diaphragm with the same foot down, and avoids cramps.
babbzilla
Can I hike, swim, Zumba, elliptical, and literally anything else, other than actual running/jogging? Because I hate it with a passion...
Captainplanetmotherfucker
I started running one afternoon and got this terrible pain in my lower abdominal. That was 3 years ago and the pain's still there.
JarJarDrinks
The only time I run is when something is chasing me.
boobphysicist
thanks i run so much better now
Nachman
tapioca12
Neat
Munchman347
Or you could just speed walk and avoid the bad stuff. 'NO, that's too dorky and un-cool looking. I want people to think I'm hip!'...
fbdrtallz
That potato has terrible form.
JadeNB1729
He's being pursued by poorly aliased black lines. You'd be running, too!
YouCapturedMe
Same as the girl in #2
Mydogismybestman
...because potato.
Lambourtitty
I'm laughing so hard right now
SeeMyVests
I Prefer mine in fry form.
The2nd2laststarfighter
All potatoes are required by law to have poor running form. It was in the Monday Morning Report. You did get the memo, didn't you, Bob?
abuildingsea
I am that potato
Nachman
imgurianitarian
Taters gon' tate.
pookieeatworld
Alligators gonna alligate.
ISeeDeadpool
Taders gon'gate
dopamine14
Baters gonna bate.
yolohater
That was the first test. You've passed.
seesilience
What do you do about runner’s knee?
casinonightz0ne
What do you people plan on running from?
ForReasonsOfScience
Responsibilities.
cokebender
Feelings.
FatForYou
This heavy feeling of weakness and self pity.
n0n53n53
The police
MsNothingMore
Cheers just did my first ever 2k last week and I think I could like this shit
Solazyicanteven
Don't get shin splints they suck
Flyndaran
Tibia, connective tissue, muscles, etc.
Flyndaran
Vague wording. It literally means just pain in the lower leg. Many causes and treatments.
FatForYou
I agroed my shin splints trying to catch a bus, didn't catch said bus and sat on the ground clutching my legs. A guy stopped to check on me.
InboxMeYourSpacePics
I have shin splints that won't go away. It's been over a year. I spent half that time not running due to pain. They do suck
n0n53n53
have you tried compression socks?
InboxMeYourSpacePics
Yeah I did compression socks for a while. Now I've been changing my running form and just got the stick to try and massage the muscles.
tightsarenotpants
Im going on 15 years with shin issues now. Seen tons of doctors, changed my running form, and have been told by trainers that I shouldnt be
tightsarenotpants
A runner. So i still run.
InboxMeYourSpacePics
Any advice to work through the pain? My big issue is when I go too hard they hurt all the time, not just when running.
tightsarenotpants
I should mention, running through the pain is prob not healthy. I was determined to run on my HS and college teams. I prob f'ed up my legs.
tightsarenotpants
Taking time off is the only real way. If you must run try icy hot and Motrin. I never raced without those drugs.
Wafflecookie
I used to be made fun of for my running posture, so now I'm really self conscious whenever I run. Plus, I have really bad stamina.. *sigh*
punkrawkmonkey
folder[Health Tips]
IFuckinAtodaso
Making sure to lift my knees was a hard thing for me to learn but it helped
Rynestrm
I know how to run!
alsoAzrael
da fuq?
Nachman
Jiggsawjazz
where are our tips for beginner couch potatoes? how best do I utilize my recliner? common sofa injuries? tips for maximizing sugar intake?
Chewy4President
Walking! Maybe add a 2min jog. Then in a week add a min or 2. Progress up SLOWLY to avoid injury.
Jiggsawjazz
jesus god i'm not trying to walk or run, i'm trying to go from beginner couch potato to expert potato. at least like avid novice.
quicksilver1
Fruit Loops.
Vybors
Here you go: http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/c25k/Pages/get-running-with-couch-to-5k.aspx
morningxafter
I'm saving this telling myself I'll use it, but I know I've just lied to myself.
1MizAshley
morningxafter
Me too!
triplesees
HelpfulHomo
I dont understand what its doing and have a frighten.
lancevanceaus
Also make sure to have good running shoes that are made for your foot type and running gait!
Vybors
But don't overthink it! Shoe science is pretty well developed and there are hard hundreds of styles and brands which are just fine.
NekoMiko06
Or be like that old dude who went 875km in gumboots and shaved over a day from the world record at the time and led by 10 hours.
DaddysGoneCrazy
Didn't realize I often lean back more then I should like that. +1
ImGoingToEatAllYourApples
It's quite hard to get used to, feels unnatural at first. Legs should move like you are riding a bike. Push off your step with your toes!
Cordycep0
While running, the first thing to go (and quickly) is my lower back; Long before my legs, breath, or heart. Desk jobs maybe?
ForReasonsOfScience
Pro tip on learning to run correctly: take your shoes off, run, and adjust accordingly. Guarantee you won't run on your heels for long.
ForReasonsOfScience
The best form is to run on the balls of your feet or at least the first third of your foot.
GudOldeTimey
Are we really gonna trust a guide that comes from the government? I MEAN THEY GOT RUNNING POTATOES
IAmNotASkeleton
They got potatoes? What do I do to get some of said potatoes?
LargeHoman
Guys, I think he's a skeleton, don't answer.
bpetersen
I can never tell if I have good posture while I run. I always end up judging posture from impacts
thisiswhatifeel
Chi running calls it ' running with your heart.'
ebongo91
As much as I love barefoot running, fuck that analogy.
Rabh
good form doesn't need to be dressed up in some mystical bullshit
TheRicM
But mystical bullshit can have some good applications. Tai chi completely helped my breakdancing
LordOfButt
Sick bro
slappyhamsalads
Tai Chi? You should try capoeira
TheRicM
Yes, I got my 2nd belt (cord) in capoeira, and the tai chi also helped that a LOT! :)
conkles
Tai Chi helped my waterbending
idkwhattowriteherehelpme
Also helped me with my rune collection
Dontworrybesalty
So Tai Chi can help you make Chai Tea?
TiniestFox
Northern Shaolin kung fu helped with my Firebending
majemilo
This advice is largely misleading. I'm a coach, former running store manager, and track all American and I couldn't not say something (1)
ehnayehn
Really helpful comments and links, thanks for sharing
Chewy4President
This. I've ran in college, coached, and competitively race marathons now. This is too watered down. Strict adherence would get you hurt.
TheMayorOfTittyCity
What do you think about landing on the heel vs toe. Vs midfoot I guess I didn't realize that was an option.
majemilo
The more important question is where is your foot landing in relation to your body. Anything in front of you (whether it's heel, toe, mid)
majemilo
Is a braking force that slows you down and puts increased stress on your lower legs (think shin splints, stress fractures, etc). It needs to
majemilo
Be right underneath you (or damn close) for optimal efficiency. In gonna make a post about this Sunday so I'll tag you
majemilo
I got a lot of response to this so I'm gonna make a post Sunday, dot of you wanna be tagged
seesilience
.
galagya
.
xeroxcocks
.
ehnayehn
.
subparusersubber
.
BernieSanders2024
.
zemthemattress
doot
mrpurpled
.
NekoMiko06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OD96zocXRU How's his posture?
majemilo
The fundamentals are definitely present and really just requires minor adjustments at this point lol
NekoMiko06
The dude ran for 2&1/2 days straight and shaved nearly 2 days the record for the 875km marathon.
majemilo
Almost everyone overstrides naturally and in most cases it isn't bad. When someone says lean forward many people will lean from the hips (2)
majemilo
Making the overstride worse and that's when problems happen. The lean (which is very slight) should happen from the ankles so the body (3)
majemilo
Nice and straight head to feet. I did form analysis for my athletes so here's a link and hopefully you can take something from it (4)
didgythebat
Thank you. I'm a massage therapist certified in sports massage and work primarily with long distance runners. This post is very misleading.
btimup
Question about the midfoot thing, wouldn't that lead to your foot hitting flat on the pavement? I thought landing toward heel was proper
Itouchthefishy
Thank you for this. I hate misleading articles.
majemilo
https://youtu.be/mIY4Y5bHskg
PulpFreeNonFiction
.
Chaituna
.
SpeedyStefano
Doot
Dracoleviathan
Thank you for this.
Mybrotherkeepssnoopingonmyaccount
Running shit
NicoleRosieRose
. Running, thank you
TOPDown2
.
5volt
you
SpeedyStefano
Doot
Ifulike
< MEGA SUPER ZORD DOT >
chormin
Hate to bother you after so much advice, but I was told to breath over unequal amounts of strides 3in/4ex to prevent cramping, is that real?
Justaguyfromaplace
Dot dot
Sher10ck
.
tacoking1992
.
bananastandcheddah
.
j4n3tw3155
.
UncleIrohnman
Neat
TheCountZA
.
TheWackoTaco
.
danyguy201
.
Arrdyn
.
ProfessorLeedle
...... Whoops all my marbles fell, eh ill pick em later
vorkje2
.
heyitsWednesday
.
Sentinel1108
.
ohgifmeabreak
.
olecramsm
.
bloodhoundgang
Lefingebi
.
Psythorn
Awesome
gchero77
.
EducatedBoner
Punto
Expertology
.
Lurchio
.
Eversin
.
m46nu5
.
Baloetelli
.
qialex
.
[deleted]
[deleted]
majemilo
Bryce!!! Molly told me you love imgur so I'm excited to see you here!
Chewy4President
I'm going to figure out who you two are using some classic runner snooping on another. Care to give to me a hint of which state?
majemilo
Both ran in IL
Chewy4President
Do you know James Walters?
majemilo
I can't say I do. I got too nervous if I knew my competition so I never looked into people
uppydownymoodswingykindofgirl
Any tips on how to fix/work around shin splints?
retrogamer82
In most cases, shin splints are a beginner's problem, they go away. If you are overweight, walking is better for you than running 1/2
retrogamer82
You can stay active longer, go farther, and put less stress on your shins/joints. Once you've got the weight down running is much easier 2/2
RunsWithShortShorts
Mother. Fucking. Heel. Drops. Those little shits helped me after like 2 years of stress fractures. That and switching from Nike to HOKA
Pindalyn
I used to have the worst shin splints. Splurged on some awesome shoes, problem solved
uppydownymoodswingykindofgirl
New shoes it is, then
RunsWithShortShorts
I highly, highly, HIGHLY recommend HOKA One One's Clifton model does. I have been running in the Clifton 2s for around a year now (1)
Pindalyn
I found getting ones specifically made for stability control work best to help me.
majemilo
@Chewy4President is absolutely right. Go to a mom and pop shop and have them analyze you. The right shoe has nothing to do with your (1)
majemilo
High or low arches and your pronation and supination does not automatically mean you need a particular shoe. Expect to spend anywhere (2)
majemilo
From $90-120 on shoes but trust me, its an investment. Also, replace them every 300-400 miles. Being proactive not reactive to injury
howamigonnabeanoptimistaboutthis
It can be caused by a muscle strength imbalance. Strengthening your calf muscles will help to stabilize the tibia on impact.
Chewy4President
3 broad categories of causes all equalling too much stress on leg muscles: 1) old/improper shoes 2) too much, too fast. 3) running form 1/2
Chewy4President
Shoes are a huge.You need running shoes for your type of foot. Dick's or Footlocker can't provide that. And shoes get old over time too. 2/2
GiraffesAndCrystalMeth
agreed! 100 miles is about the limit on my shoes; gets expensive but injuries are way worse.
SPCGlitterFart
For a wide foot, Altra is amazing. I've been running in their Superior 2.0 for the past year and a half, amazing, and 0-drop too.
GiraffesAndCrystalMeth
i wear Hokas, and i have not had a single injury since i switched; trail and asphalt shoes are epic.
Iamthismoment
Don't heel strike. Land on the front of your foot and don't wear shoes that have a shit ton of padding.
majemilo
This is a major misconception. Olympians heel strike on easy runs and its no biggie. Its inefficient for a race but there's more cushion (1)
majemilo
In the heel of your foot to absorb the stress. Additionally, running on the ball of your foot stresses your calves more which can lead (2)
majemilo
To tight calves resulting in an imbalance between the calves and shin muscles
socksmcgee
I found adjusting the way my foot hit the ground helped, I try to hit just before my heel first, rather than flat footed 1/2
socksmcgee
2/2 Hitting flat footed made it worse! Also worth investing in some decent running shoes and perhaps some insoles - Scholl does good ones
uppydownymoodswingykindofgirl
I've never ran flat footed. Always landed on my heels, but that led to shin splints, so I tried running on my toes, but that feels wrong
socksmcgee
Get some Scholl insoles - either the gel activ or the shock absorbing ones. What running shoes have you got?
uppydownymoodswingykindofgirl
Tried a few different ones, but could probably try a bit more expensive pair as I've been a bit cheap on running shoes in the past