JamesAinscough115
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Feb 5, 2017 11:18 PM
JamesAinscough115
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JetmanNinety3
No one wants a weaker military. And It's demeaning to women to expect less of them
juggles3
Listen, great idea.. active military female.. not big, 22 min 5k cant do pullup to save my life but can squat and carry 400 lb person easy..
doooooooooooooooooooooomed
like its that hard to pull a trigger
icorrectpeopleoften
Damnit James, most service members agree with ya there. It's not unpopular haha
upperrbutt
IronicUsername
Everyone agrees; fuck off, point whore.
lobosrul
I have good news. They are the same standards between genders for combat roles, in the us. They are less for women to start and pass basic.
lobosrul
This is because the US military just wants a base level of fitness just to be in the military.
tragicallybrokenhip716
*without lowering standards
Xsiah
Yeah, that's the important part. Women have to be able to pass the men's tests, not the other way around.
mrsmjb
(1/2) There's a difference between aptitude tests and physical fitness tests. Aptitude tests should be the same, but a physically fit woman
mrsmjb
(2/2) can run slower or do fewer pushups than a physically fit man and still both be the same level of general fitness. This isn't hard.
Hardwoman1
Not an unpopular decision
Scarlets02
When I tried to do the same amount, I got in trouble.. Total bs. Should be the same for all
ArthurPhillipDent
My ex has dyspraxia and said her practical driving test was unfair as a result...
twentyfivehundred
The women want that too.
Hamler
The standards for regular members are very similar in the first place. Bringing the female standards up to males shouldn't be a problem.
TheRealEngali
Umm, some people in the military in this thread said the standards for push-ups and pull-ups for women are like less than half of men's.
Hamler
I was USAF, push ups were ridiculously low for women and they shouldn't be. But run times and crunches were very similar.
jmillions
Ha! Have yet to see a XX who can do 80+ push ups to standard in 2 minutes. Or run sub 13 min 2 mile
JamesAinscough115
Ur right in the uk the time for a 1.5 mile run for the paratroopers is 9:40 and the women's time is almost 11 minutes
SeanBeanDiesAlot
I'm pretty sure they are. I heard a woman did the Seal (?) test at like 44 and kept up with the guys. Said she wanted to prove it was doable
Cuntard
I think you're talking about the movie gi Jane. It was fictional
SeanBeanDiesAlot
I got it mixed up, it was Ranger training and there were 2 http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/18/politics/women-graduate-army-ranger-course/
okrout
I want to know unequivocally that whoever my fiance is on the front lines with can drag his 230 pound ass to safety if need be.
ManicYEEtPressive
That's not fair. how are they supposed to pass penis inspection day?
teddybear65
Absolutely correct. Very few women can pass the same fitness standards for ground combat. Neither can a lot of men. Do what you can do.
lilmole
*cue the Everybody Thinks That puffin*
TheEdmontonMan
I'm not downvoting because I disagree, I'm downvoting because it's popular
Bortus
I'm downvoting because I agree. These obviously-popular opinion puffins are fucking boring. I upvote the ones I disagree with.
catladywithoutcats
I'm kinda curious specifically what you mean. Can you elaborate?
upperrbutt
vanilla4gorilla
It's now the same here in Canada, although they just lowered the bar for everyone with the new fitness test
AmericanMathstoryX
How could this be unpopular? I'd fight alongside anyone if they can do the job, the whole job. Sometime that might mean carrying my ass out.
HopefullyMadeYouThinkCritically
No, it really shouldn't, number 1 - "Shoot first, take care of your buddies after" is the rule. Number 2, it's really easy to drag people.
Fatpicasso
No fucking shit. This isn't unpopular. -1
8ismyfavoritenumber
*Regiment
teklanis
*Brigade. *MOS. *[any appropriate noun]
givemeyourhate
He was correcting spelling.
teklanis
No shit
funnystoryaboutthat
@op are you in the military?
JamesAinscough115
I'm becoming an officer in the paratrooper regiment (UK)
givemeyourhate
When?
illadelphin006
Had some British officers take pictures of me in a trench here in Canada, cause 1) female 2) in a trench lol.
funnystoryaboutthat
So that's a no. I'm an artillery officer. In the US Army, we have a gender specific fitness test. We're getting our first female 13 1/?
JamesAinscough115
Actually it's a yes I've been in the infantry for four years now but I'm only just making the switch now
funnystoryaboutthat
Series soldiers soon. I really don't give a shit about the fitness test as long as they can run 155 rounds and do their job. There are 2/?
funnystoryaboutthat
Plenty of male soldiers who do well on the pt test but I couldn't trust to carry me out of harms way. However, there are others who can. 3/3
JWowwBooty
This opinion is popular af. Any feminist worth their shit agrees
kukupuff
Feminist, women, men, apache attack helicopter, glue eaters, Vikings, nurses, baristas, soldiers, even my cat probably. Super popular.
WhatIsThisIdontEvenKnow
I always wanted to be an apache. Now I just pretend in bfbc2
DIABET0
Those who disagree are relatively vocal though.
Vaanhalen
REALLY. Go advocate that women can't be in combat if they can't xyz and see what response u get from majority of feminists. Try Twitter!
jamskones
Just because they're loud and stupid doesn't mean they're the majority
babelincoln27
I'm a feminist worth my shit and I agree. If I can't drag your 250-pound ass out of battle, I have no business claiming I can.
HopefullyMadeYouThinkCritically
You can. It's really easy with proper technique. Unless you can't do a single push-up in which case work out for a month and you could.
Vaanhalen
Hmm. Have you tried the male PT?
Vaanhalen
*PFT
CongratsYouAreHereNow
how much dragging is really going on in battle?
HopefullyMadeYouThinkCritically
Right? It's shoot first drag after... I'm sure they can figure something out after the gun smoke has settled.
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
I admire your honesty, you're a good person for not bluffing about what you can do.
ikma
I just want to point out that there are different fitness standards for men depending on their age.
rocketturttle
In most situations, as you get older you move up the ranks and you'll think more and hump shit less
AJMP98
In the US maybe. For the British Army men are tested by what unit they are joining. Paras are the hardest, I think the RAMC is the easiest.
panzer1990
Air force over 30 doeant change much for men >30 women is literally half of what >30 mens requirements.
peepoopcacadiarrhea
Would like to see a lot of the men pass a womens waist measurement.
ikma
I'm not saying that the women's fitness standards shouldn't be more consistent with men's, but that there's precedent for different reqs.
gingerlocksofbeard
Kicking out someone with 15 years of experience because they can't run or do as many push-ups as an 18-21 year old doesn't make sense.
gingerlocksofbeard
Kicking out a female or male because they couldn't pull me out of a burning compartment, same age with equal experience, does.
HandsomeApe
Not when it comes to ruck times, combat fitness tests (or similar); basically anything that measures operational application of strength
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shedooooooooo
The standards are the same for both men and women in combat roles. Ie: Rangers. Women weren't even allowed these until a few years ago.
jmillions
Wrooonnngggg! 13A here.
HandsomeApe
What youre talking about is pushups, situps and run times... which is like making sure someone can multiply before enrolling into calculus
Mimsey
You joke, but the most common errors in any Calc class will always be basic arithmetic and properly distributing signs!
samobellows
software developer: the hardest bugs to find is that time you swapped the numerator and denominator. :P
GunnarrTheMadd
A little. But when a man has to do 40 some odd pushups to pass and a woman has to do 12...
hiyesthisissatan
I had to do 40 to get in. I'm female.
teklanis
I'm calling liar liar pants on fire.
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Rumpocalypse
To get into what? The army standard for men is 42 I believe, and considerably lower for females.
HandsomeApe
Honestly, nobody cares about pushups and situps. I dont. Put some kit on and a ruck, show me what you got. (1/2)
HandsomeApe
I saw kids weighing 120 dominating pushups, situps and the run. Put some weight on them and they implode (2/2)
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Truth.
insertsupercoolusernamehere
The standards are set because people need to be able to hump injured battle buddies out of shit. Same standard or 100% female combat squads.
DrowsyDude
A Standard is a Standard is a Standard.
ssyoda2
Friend is in the guard. Sometimes during drills the cute college girls just walk along in the back while the men carry their packs.
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Rumpocalypse
Yeah not quite the same. Military doesn't generally use BMI. Basic tests of strength and endurance and a body fat percentage.
SchmuseTigger
so they have to rescue lighter female soldiers?
realwomenfightnaked
I was combat in the israeli defense force. We were just required less pushups..wasnt bad considering all the chicks in my unit wernt fat.
roughlemayo
Wrong. The standards are set because you are receiving cheap health insurance. If people get fat or out of shape it's not cost effective
jmillions
^pog!
insertsupercoolusernamehere
Not PT, combat training pass/fail. The post is about fighting, not desk jobs.
MemeMyselfnI
100% fem units, 95% casualties (left in the field).
ThomasTheWankEnglne
Would be easier to hump the ladies.
TraitorousTrump3
There's the straight line - true because they weigh less. And the funny line - hump'em!
NathanChristensen
I up voted to keep you from drowning. I love you fellow imgurian.
rabidpuppy88
Idk why this has so many downvotes, it's fuckin funny
Sandman801
Same that's funny!
tragicallybrokenhip716
Not just to get out of the shit, but to get in the fight and stay in it as quickly and violently as possible.
DavidMcclannahan
"stay in the fight as violently as possible" nice
GoldenSour2
You said hump uhuhuhu
66KittyKat
I'd upvote this, but you're at 69 points, soooo... +1
DavidMcclannahan
Gotta get it to 690 then
DannyPhantom
NeoHelios
Could an argument be made that "fitness tests" are more-so a measure of determination and discipline, or is that too deep?
NeoHelios
Let me clarify... When I went to boot camp twenty years ago, we ran a few miles 'round a track in a given time. 1/...
NeoHelios
A decent challenge, but easy for those of us who were already fit. I'll never forget when we got back, the company commander (USCG) asked...
NeoHelios
"Do you think you could have done better?" Every one of us was smart to not say a damn thing b/c doing your best was the point of the run.
NeoHelios
I guess my point is, as long as you are doing your best (and of course, passing MEPS), physical fitness will naturally follow.
MemeMyselfnI
100% fem units, 95% casualties (left in the field).
insertsupercoolusernamehere
Russians, Koreans, and Vikings would likely beg to differ, just off the top of my head.
insertsupercoolusernamehere
Then you have mixed troops like Israelis and Kurds doing their jobs just fine.
MemeMyselfnI
And no different set of physical requirements based on genitalia, I'd wager. Thanks for making my point.
insertsupercoolusernamehere
Shield maidens had their own fighting style/training and Russian women sniper units were OK because they avoided hand-to-hand. Still lethal.