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Lang Leav is the best-selling author of three poetry collections: Love & Misadventure, Lullabies(winner of the 2014 Goodreads Choice award for poetry) and Memories.
Lang has been featured in various publications including The Straits Times, The Guardian and The New York Times. She currently resides in New Zealand with her partner and fellow author: Michael Faudet.
Sauce: http://zenpencils.com check them out.
cerulee
If the author wants to be an astronaut AND a rock star she might need to introduce her dreams to a little thing called reality.
CubanDoctorRapist
The moral is: no matter how good your life may be, we'll find a way to bring you down
TheAssassinArtemisEntreri
No one puts 'Wish I would have worked more' on their gravestone. Deathbed regrets are always wishing they had spent more time w/ loved ones.
ohbytheway
it makes you think
JamesSylar
They could build the first coffee shop in space, its called making compromises.
DeantheMeanMarine
Apparently being a god damned adult and taking responsibility for your choices is out of the question.
valkrez
Goddamn.
hitshappens
A man who is truly happy will be happy in the darkest dungeon. A man with false happiness will not be happy even if he achieves every dream.
smarttarded
Moral of the story: don't date a ginger hipster
zombiefarmboy
I don't agree with this. We sometimes have to make compromises for those we love. It's called sacrifice and that's not always a bad thing.
doublekross
Compromise and giving up your entire life for your spouse's dream aren't the same things.
rainybee
brutal
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
Hey, fuck Zen Pencils.
TheAssassinArtemisEntreri
I'm not a big cafe guy, but running and working together at your successful business with your spouse isn't exactly what I'd call settling.
doublekross
I think for some people it would be, because it's not what they wanted for their life at all, or has nothing to do with their interests. (1)
doublekross
For example, if they're not into food, customer service (r omaybe they don't like coffee), working at a cafe would feel like drudgery. (2)
dontbustmychops
6 months ago we opened a restaurant with my boyfriend, not my dream, his (hes a chef). Im not sad at all, I like helping him.
Vockstar
Watsons??
dontbustmychops
nah, were in Uruguay
BigPookie320038
No, I'm straight.
liliputian7
FUCK YOU ZENPENCILS
dasmause
I fucking hate zenpencils. Literally "I'm 12 and this is deep: the webcomic"
baconsmellsreallygood
Half of the comics are usually "If you happily settle with anything instead of going on extravagant life journeys you are wasting life".
liliputian7
*all
LoopStricken
Well; I, for one, am too tall to be an astronaut.
LearnedCoward
I am two centimeters taller than the tallest astronaut ever.
Asinya
No - I'm not scared of living alone. It just sucks to have to sacrifice the one person I love (aside from myself) to have a life I want...
Terraluna
When I was still with my bf in a ldr, I would ask myself: how much happiness is one willing to sacrifice to make someone they love happy?
Cucumbawumba
Solution: Find someone who wants the same things as you. (Don't want kids, marry someone who doesn't want kids. Want to travel, etc etc)
Asinya
I didn't want to find someone - I just had to be stupid and fall for this guy. If we'd ever split up, I would make sure to stay single :/
Cucumbawumba
What are you having to sacrifice? Maybe you should discuss with him there's things important you want and figure how to achieve together?
missmaryMACKMACKMACK
ya know, i had this epiphany just the other day that the dreams i had when i was younger just aren't what i want anymore. priorities change.
TheAssassinArtemisEntreri
Plot twist: Twin sister gets PhD, becomes astronaut, alone on death bed, wishes she had spent more time with the person she loved and left.
BigPookie320038
This is deviantart level edgy.
ShmakarooniLovesHeathLedger
I don't get it really
ShmakarooniLovesHeathLedger
Why didn't she just try to tell her husband that it wasn't what she wanted?
C141Clay
Um, No. This is not the way it works. http://imgur.com/zS0jtcI
cliffhero
On the flip side, there is nothing wrong with helping a loved one accomplish their dream.
Cereaza
But... he's kind of a hipster douche...
EinsteinsFitAsAFiddle
Heck, they're dream might become your together-dream. It's good to stay true to yourself but that doesn't mean your goals can't change.
jackbos
Moral: Giving up your childish, unrealistic dreams is bad. Stable work is bad. Loving relationships are bad. You should remain immature.
mynameisnotalice
No. It's just the observation that sometimes you feel like you lost something. And that's okay.
Butterlumps
I'm living a lie right now. Every time I wake up I tell myself "I'm not gonna stay up that late again tonight" and it's currently 5:56 AM.
ImOnlyHereForTheNudity
(☞ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)☞
Etienneee
You're not staying up late, you're staying up early! That's what I tell myself...
InfernoTerra
Same. It's currently 6:58. I start work in two hours. Hawhoops.
Butterlumps
Haha, look at the adult with their responsibilities and taxes, I'm an teenager so I can... hm.. I don't know what we do... I need friends...
InfernoTerra
-Still a teenage adult. Ew taxes. Also could you friends.-
InfernoTerra
So, basically nothing changes when you reach an adult. Except for you gotta go out and do......things!
Butterlumps
I don't know what it takes to qualify as a "Teenage Adult", and yes, I could friends... I think...
InfernoTerra
Someone who is an adult but still in teenage years. 18-19 sometimes 17.
Baramunk
Zen pencils is one of the worst webcomics you can possibly read. Please don't encourage people to read it unless it's his little boy tantrum
Baramunk
Instead read Dril Pencils, fixed edits of zen pencils stuff.
guitarhero1000
Moral: having a successful business with your spouse is terrible. Instead waste your time trying to be an astronaut.
pedrobrv
The lesson is: Don't marry a hipster
gewalt
this is a terrible fucking message
HereticsAllOfYou
Zen Pencils tends to have terrible lessons.
ANGRYBATMAN
Or, even worse, completely misinterprets or oversimplifies the intended lesson from the source material
AwesomeName
Singing in dingy bars for peanuts is probably also not as satisfying as one might think in the long run.
LearnedCoward
As a musician, THIS.
DeadyBearr
Couldn't she sing in the coffee shop? There's a local 24 hr coffee shop around here with a little side venue for shows.
InfernoTerra
It's more of the idea. Your dreams in general.
WScarlet
Most people have stupid, unattainable dreams. Find happiness in what you can do now, rather than what you can only do in your sleep.
StillbornGod
No sarcasm, this is very inspiring to me. Thanks.
WScarlet
I'm not a particularly optimistic person, but I believe that we can be happy, if we can simply stop worrying about what we don't have.
BecomeAnAstronaut
Yes
CubanDoctorRapist
Baah, it's a post for dreamers
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guitarhero1000
I know. It was my attempt on humor.
InfernoTerra
I can dig it.
BarrackHusseinIslamabama
Follow your dreams, not your love, the two are not compatible.
mynameisnotalice
Depending on your dream and your love they often are.
tyrantonreflection
That is bleak and cynical take on the poem..
worldsokayestspeler
Life hack: give up on your dreams before meeting someone. Then no compromise. Most people's dreams arent feasible anyway.
mynameisnotalice
It's not judgemental. It's just an observation. Something to make you think without a clear morale or lesson.
statelessnfaithless
Yeah, I'm confused as fuck.
mynameisnotalice
I think it is just meant as an observation. No morale or lesson, just something to think about.
TheProLoser
I think It's saying that you should make sure you're following your dreams, and not someone else's.
JackGullette
She has basically compromised her dreams, and it's sad. I can relate, I had plenty of dreams and now I'm just an employee.
Classtoise
Maybe she should realize that a stable relationship with a successful business is more fulfilling than daydreams of stardom?
MrBananaBeak
This assumes that accomplishing her childhood dream is possible.
JackGullette
This mentality is what the entire comic was about.
MrBananaBeak
Some things just aren't meant to be.
BigPookie320038
Follow your dreams, but don't fucking dare blame anyone else if they fall through.
SweenDog
That's an easy fix. Quit. Then you're not an employee anymore!
liliputian7
Boom bam, bitch
Ivehaddiarrheasinceeasters
I giggled.
GoogleFucker
She gave up her dreams to make his happen
championofbreakfasts
Remember that time Zen Pencils had to get cease and desist orders from Bill Watterson and Carl Sagan. Or that time he advocated lobotomy.
chickenrun
Could you please make a post about this topic as I am and possibly others very much in the dark about Zen pencils
IndigoWendigo
Yeah, I also am in the dark about all this hate towards him.
InfernoTerra
I can't say that I do, but please say more.
championofbreakfasts
Used their qoutes(and watterson's style) without permission, tried to publish them in a for-profit book and was forced to remove them.
iDrinkDrano
And the lobotomy?
championofbreakfasts
http://zenpencils.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-10-23-minchin.jpg
NicoVII
While I think that's a shit comic, saying it's advocating lobotomy is a bit of a stretch.
zombiefarmboy
Carl Sagan died in 1996. That comic came out in 2012. How did he initiate a C&D order for it?
championofbreakfasts
Estate.
zombiefarmboy
Ah. That's not what you initially said.
championofbreakfasts
It's legally the same thing and the character limit means I either need to ration or make multiple posts.
zombiefarmboy
I was just trying to find out about this. It was an interesting comment you made and I wanted to know more.
aselfdefeatingattitude
Remember that time he made Dril Pencils stop? That was the worst.
WhateverIFeelLike666
That's actually inspiring in a fucked up way
championofbreakfasts
Or that time he made a pro-trans comic from a quote by a guy who was sexually abused by his mother and forced to cross-dress?
dreidle
Which one is this I can't seem to find it.
championofbreakfasts
http://zenpencils.com/comic/rilke/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain">c/rilke/">http://zenpencils.com/comic/rilke/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_Maria_Rilke#Early_life_.281875.E2.80.931896.29
didntshootthedeputy
1) This one: http://zenpencils.com/comic/rilke/ But I have never heard that Rilke was sexually abused and while he ragged on his mother in
dreidle
Thanks!
didntshootthedeputy
2) in poems and stories, according to the many letters they wrote each other all his adult life, he had quite a good relationship with her.
ubermatik
Got a link to this one?
championofbreakfasts
http://zenpencils.com/comic/rilke/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain">c/rilke/">http://zenpencils.com/comic/rilke/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_Maria_Rilke#Early_life_.281875.E2.80.931896.29
ubermatik
Thanks!
InfernoTerra
We uh- all make mistakes? << >>
liliputian7
Zenpencils IS a mistake
Farbegn
I think that's a little harsh... they're very well produced comics that try and visualize interesting quotes. That in itself isn't bad.
BigPookie320038
"Interesting"
liliputian7
meaning to it, which is the quintessence of the human weakness of self-propagation. It's fucking bullshit, basically (2/2)
liliputian7
Yes, it is. Quotes are literally ALWAYS taken out of context. That's how they work. So it can't be deep unless you assign your own (1/2)
stonedkyuby
Can I get a link to that, because Jesus jiminy crickets that sounds bad.
championofbreakfasts
http://zenpencils.com/comic/rilke/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain">c/rilke/">http://zenpencils.com/comic/rilke/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_Maria_Rilke#Early_life_.281875.E2.80.931896.29
stonedkyuby
Oh wow. That is bad.
doublekross
Except that it says nothing about sexual abuse.
didntshootthedeputy
1)While it is true that she had him wear girl's clothes often until he was six years ol (probably in an attempt to deal with the loss of her
didntshootthedeputy
2) elder daughter as an infant), the often cited hateful relationship between Rilke and his mother has been refuted for quite some time by
championofbreakfasts
He had his name legally changed to something more 'manly'. Nobody agrees to that unless they've been emasculated against their will.
didntshootthedeputy
1) Bullshit, his original name is perfectly masculine, René (the french version of Rainer) Karl Wilhelm Johann Josef Maria Rilke. The only
didntshootthedeputy
4) because he thought so. But after he changed it he signed all his letters to his mother as 'your old René' from then on.
didntshootthedeputy
3) only reason he did so is because his (future) girlfriend, Lou Andreas-Salomé, didn't think it was masculine enough for a male poet, not
didntshootthedeputy
2) female name is Maria and that is for catholic reasons not gender reasons. He didn't change his name until well into his twenties and the
didntshootthedeputy
3) many letters written between the two of them all his adult life. And I have never heard about any kind of alleged sexual abuse.
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didntshootthedeputy
I have no doubt that his relationship with his mother was a complicated one, I still don't see where you get sexual abuse from.
HereticsAllOfYou
I can't stand that people keep posting his stuff like it's inspirational when it's blatantly stolen and/or uninspired.
zacpartyhardy
His whole thing is illustrating quotes, poems, etc. Its not exactly stealing since it is an original creation.
Textuality
How exactly is it "stealing?" He draws a comic based on someone's quote, he's not "stealing" anything.
thattwoguy
Honestly astronaut and row boat around the world seem like their time has passed. Nothing wrong with growing up.
LearnedCoward
Both of those things sound fun to think about, but terrifying to actually do.
Mostlydeadpool
which is the point. most people flinch from the fear.
InfernoTerra
Yeah I think it's more of the idea of unfulfilled dreams.
MrBananaBeak
Some dreams aren't meant to be fulfilled.
Baramunk
What's to say a dream can't be fulfilled with a spouse that loves you? Seems to be she needs to communicate better.
liliputian7
Zenpencils is a stupid new-age cuckold, and this is all he draws
stonedkyuby
I think he's an imperious ass too, but I'm not sure his fetishes have anything to do with this