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Mace and Anakin years after defeating Palpatine
Tears!
This should’ve come up at some point…
Daddy Vader!
(Edit: this uploaded poorly, sorry)
Would have helped so much
Our girl was a fighter!
This also should’ve come up!
More tears!
Even more tears!!
Cavoo
#5 I'm glad this exists. This relationship was never even expressed in the sequels. Not even touched on and abandoned, it's just flat-out ignored.
mckjm2
#15 Actually C-3PO wouldn't remember Owen. His memory was wiped after the end of Episode 3.
Evo435
Also despite being assembled by Anakin C-3PO was a mass produced droid. No reason for Owen to think he was the same one.
xuriV
The Jedi can't just go around freeing all the slaves lol, but I never even thought about Padme freeing his mother.. damn
ThanksForTheThing
LincLoud
stoots24
Rockin. Rockin and rollin. Down to the beach, I’m strollin.
fragglestckcar
Quit that bangin'!
UseYourVoice
DON'T. FALL. ASLEEP!
Eldibs
#3 This is kinda like the story about the Nazi at the punk bar - "You have to ignore their reasonable-sounding arguments, because their end-goal is to be terrible people."
Tjitso
#16 it should be, "hello there, kids," "uncle Kenobi!" but ok
90sLego
#1 I like this a lot. Especially Anakin's look, he appears confident, mature, and at ease.
mechscientist
#3 If you want more examples of Sith Lords making sense, I want to note the Sith Code (originally from Knights of the Old Republic, decanonized along with Legends, and re-canonized with Sam Witwer as Darth Maul qouting it in The Clone Wars).
The Sith Code, summed up, is all about self-improvement. it starts with a want, encourages you to better yourself, then to use that betterment for more, before going to then achieve it, ultimately freeing yourself from being held back.
accountttt
Dooku is more responsible for slaves on tattoine than yoda, he is using right-wing rhetoric here. Yoda is not the big boss, he's highly respected for his ethics and logic. Yoda is against the slavery, but doesnt control the senate. The sith are rhe ones that allowed the trade federation to take control of tattooine in the first place.
TMCybersnark
But the Jedi have leverage over the senate.
For that matter, the Jedi Order shouldn't have been tied to the Republic to begin with. The Jedi were formed to serve justice and promote peace, but the Republic, like any government, is necessarily focused on law and order --which are NOT the same thing.
DaftTechno
Tatooine isn't under Trade Federation control, it's part of Hutt space.
juzzfuzz
I know he's not cannon anymore but I liked Kyle Katarn because he would have been the guy to question everything. And Luke never told him what to do, only warned him if he was slipping. Then in that non-cannon they were both Jedi Masters together, with a focus on learning by doing and a flexibility we'd never seen before. I know who really stole the death star plans, and my heart
Woofbloodywoof
Jedi Academy is still my go-to piece of starwars media. The tutorial and the way kyle is with Jaden and Rosh in general is great IMO.
LonelyHumanBoy
Kyle "I'm going to punch three Kell Dragons to death because Jabba pissed me off" Katarn. All before he even strengthened his connection to the Force, no less.
VolcanoHerder
DarthGoodguy
#3 This omits that he went on to say “…but if we tolerate slavery and start an endless war, that’ll be totally different and cool!”
ydwyrd
I imagine Palpatine was holding back laughter at all that, since he was planning on being a way worse version of what Dooku thought of Yoda.
DarthGoodguy
Dooku: Why are you making that face?
Palpatine: I’m not making a face.
Also Palpatine:
MrMichaelCalifornia
This reminds me of todays politics in America. Many people are unhappy with some choice Biden has made and now they opted to vote in Trump is will be far more destructive and hateful by all measures and comparisons.
The old adage "Letting Perfect Be The Enemy Of The Good" applies.
ydwyrd
Exactly what I was thinking. And like many Trump voters are now, Dooku didn't realize he backed the wrong horse until it was too late.
raitchison
This dump made me lose interest in selling death sticks and now I want to go home and rethink my life.
Housemaster
RegularAnemone
Shit, now I need to find a new connect for my sticks
TheUnstoppableWampas
*Waves hand* You want to shitpost on the internet while thinking about who you could next sell death sticks to.
ToCrushYourEnemiesSeeThemDrivenBeforeYouToHearTheLamentation
So you have extra death sticks?
WarThunderLeakedMySpecs
#18 hit for me today. I’m arguably much too focused on the future of, well, *gestures broadly at everything* to the point where I haven’t been able to really enjoy anything else, including a major trip with my wife for our fifth anniversary. At best I’m distracted, but every time I consider what I’m going to try to do with my life I just see hopeless visions of what’s coming.
lordnequam
#18 - Because, you know, Anakin's defining character trait was calmly listening to advice from authority figures and then acting on it in a measured, responsible way
PercussionFish
There’s a chance he would have listened to Qui-gon. Qui-gon always answered Anakin’s questions, beloved in his abilities, and freed him from slavery. Qui-gon was going to train him to be a Jedi even against council ordered.
ShadeMeadowsArt
Unpopular opinion...
But I've yet to be disappointed by StarWars.
nopo
#4 I always enjoy seeing AUs where Anakin didn't turn to evil...
EmporerDragon
#11 That was actually in the novelization of Revenge of the Sith. Worth a read, as I'd consider it either the best or 2nd best movie novelization I've read (the other being the novelization for Star Trek V).
OriginalAndWitty
If multi-verses are all the rage these days, time to make an alternate universe for Star Wars 'what-if?'s
jimmythehat1
#13 I would love to see a Marcia Lucas edit cut of the sequel trilogy.
madflenser
#5 see this actually annoys me. There are so many interesting premises in the seventh film, and not a single one is handled with any competence at all. I loved the idea of exploring the "sins of the father" inherited guilt / fate concept, and they fumbled the ball so gd hard.
Glormax
#3 Are you saying that really really old people shouldn't be governing the country....I mean, galaxy.
darthstormer
Since Disney is already milking the franchise for all it's worth, we need a Star Wars: What If? series.
MyBigMouth
What if... Disney hadn't bought 20th Century Fox and LucasFilm?.... ahhh, what could've been.
TheSpaceCroissant
Lucas was already mistreating his own franchise without any help. The best part would have been preventing the huge retcon on all the Star Wars extended universe, and more importantly keeping LucasArt alive : the guys behind that studio were the true living soul of Star Wars and made greatest content of that franchise.
EmporerDragon
There are the Infinities comics, which covered "What If Luke's attack on the Death Star failed?", "What if Luke died on Hoth?", & "What if Jabba destroyed C-3PO?" Last one may sound inconsequential, but we get a Light Side Vader out of it.
Legomaniac91
Dark Horse made a series called "Infinities" back when they held the comic license.
nothingunused
We already have a "Star Wars: W[ha]T [i]F?" series.
kaitco1984
They already have lil Leia and Luke casted. Ewan and Hayden are both at an age where it would be perfect!
darthstormer
Good, the boy deserves the work. Imagine being cast as the young Luke for an Obi Wan show, and then finding out you have like 90 seconds of screen time and you're unconscious for half of it.
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
They already did it, in Lego form!
DarthMaddness
Darth!...jarjar!!
lazybuthappy
Somehow Han returned
Problemwoodchuck
Andor was great at least and there's a solid 2-ish seasons of Mando.
RogueKitsune
Skeleton Crew has been pleasantly enjoyable so far, too! And Ahsoka was...okay.
LowTinaTurner
Rouge One is also great. Solo isnt bad.
Lethous
I remember when Disney bought Star Wars there was an online discussion that included Kevin smith. People were talking about what if Disney fuck it up and does too much Star Wars. Kevin said something to the effect of 'we are getting new Star Wars, sure some might be lame but likely some will be awesome and we will love it, before we would have had nothing, but now we get new Star Wars and that cool dammit.
ThanksForTheThing
The whole franchise
(Except Andor 💯 and the animations)
taez555
JayDee9
LMAO is that supposed to be Porkins? XD
taez555
The hero we truly need.
Navrodel
#5 - The worst thing that EP7 did: Leia rushes to comfort Rey as Chewie walks by.
delecti
Yeah, Chewie was unfortunately always treated as noisy set dressing. I kinda get it though; it'd be tough to sell him as a sympathetic character to most audiences considering how wookies talk.
wodensday
Chewie was basically treated like a dog
SeeShark
I like EP7 and I agree with you.
TheSpaceCroissant
Damn, I'll keep defending ep7 as being a worthier Star Wars than ep1, 2 and 3, but that is indeed a great flaw in the writing of that scene.
101Medic
1, 2, and 3 were kind of boxed in by the original trilogy. 7, 8, and 9 had carte blanche to do whatever they wanted to do in this awesome universe that had been expanded since the late 70s and they...remade episode 4.
Obviously everyone can love whatever they love and no judging on my end but, man was I disappointed walking out of the theater opening night.
101Medic
Not to suggest the prequels weren't a slog. Cause holy trade wars were they a slog (looking at you episode 2).
I think I was more let down by the fact that Lucas' unedited writing wouldn't be in the way and that they were being made by fans of the OT and then we got a rehash. And palatine...again.
TheSpaceCroissant
I appreciate the open-mindedness. I heard a lot about episode 7 not bringing enough to the table, and it's true it was a bit too respectful towards the original movie by adopting the same overarching intrigue. However I'd argue that it did set a lot of things up that were simply ignored in the following movie. I saw a promising prelude that remained unfinished.
I also think people tend to overlook different things that were overall pretty new in the saga: instead of a lingering dark figure =>
TheSpaceCroissant
that kept his mask for the whole trilogy he removed it the first time he was asked; instead of having good guys being tempted by the dark it is the bad guy who's tempted by the light; tackling the trauma of an empire trooper seeing his friends die in combat is a new rake on that universe; eventhough he was the one hinted as the next jedi hero it is Rey who took on the mantle.
That's not mentionning everything the movie did really well, the screenplay is amazing, the work on sound is the best =>
ToSisPoS
Worst thing it did was offer tantalizing mysteries that did not have a satisfactory answer prepared.
I think that fact was LOST on the director however.
bobthefunny
#4
RickHalcyon
oh shit
bobthefunny
Perhaps easier to read?
/a/m4xP0pI
JayDeeDubs
Maybe it hits differently to younger folks, but to someone who grew up with the originals, Vader's story was always meant to be a tragedy. That the prequels don't sell that tragedy very well is the most damning argument for Lucas's failure with them.
sunnytater1
No, it's all about selling the selling. Look at the sheer AMOUNT of star wars stuff out there, regardless of quality; You don't make something like this without the focus being profit.
JayDeeDubs
While I have no doubt that the owners of big IPs like Star Wars mostly just want to make money, the people actually making it, the writers, directors, artists and more, they want to make Star Wars! Star Wars with more of something they liked, or something they thought was missing all along, or both simultaneously. I'm sure they want it to be financially successful, because they want more work, but it's not the only focus for them.
Jellyman7
Plus the clone wars really helps build this up as well.
neomranderson
Tragedy is a tool for the living to gain wisdom, not a guide by which to live.
- Robert Kennedy
mechscientist
... Excuse me? the original trilogy has Vader's story be sad, but the Prequels make his story downright heartwrenching. Sure, the prequels aren't exactly great all the time movie-wise, but the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker is something it handles well.
JayDeeDubs
I don't agree. A tragic hero is meant to be a hero, ruined by a tragic flaw. Anakin as presented in the films is not that. The first movie is barely about him, the second he's already a creepy murderous stalker. By turns he's arrogant, petulant, angry, but never particularly admirable. Clone wars tried to do some heavy lifting to fix that, but I'm just discussing the films themselves here
mechscientist
The guy is clearly mentally unwell, with the only possible chance he had to both be the hero he wanted (by becoming a jedi), and not be used as a pawn by someone as nasty as Sidious, died with Qui-Gon.
His tragic flaw is that he clearly deeply loves the people near and dear to him, and is willing to go to extreme lengths for them, but isn't emotionally mature enough to properly handle those relationships, which is why someone with nothing but praise for him could so easily use him.
JayDeeDubs
He has buckets full of flaws, and with the only chance of his salvation dying outside his control, it changes from a tragedy to an inevitability. And the inevitable fall to evil of a fairly unlikeable character isn't terribly compelling it turns out
IrrelevantHandle
The Clone Wars did it better, but they did significantly tarnish the image fans may have had of the Republic and the Jedi.
Problemwoodchuck
Dramatic tension is tough to pull off when the audience knows the ending, but I think if you make the Jedi more competent and Palpatine a much stronger villain the ride would be more compelling. If Palpatine really was pulling strings through the force all along with Anakin's immaculate birth or Padme's 'for reasons we can't explain' death thanks to what he learned from Plageius, he'd be a terrifying villain if any of that happened on screen.
RayneOfSalt
the "for reasons we can't explain" thing was dumb. people die of a broken heart. it happens more often than people think it does.
DoctorWookie
Yes, but the droids don't love and it's not a medical condition to die of a broken heart. Ergo, "for reasons we can't explain. "
RayneOfSalt
Ohhhh, I see what you mean. So it's less "hurr durr incompetent medics" and more "this doesn't diagnose based on our databases"?
DoctorWookie
Yup, exactly!
TheSpaceCroissant
Palpatine being secretly responsible for Padme's death is part of my head-canon. As for Anakin's birth I imagined Plageis to be the one responsible, controlling midichlorians to create life as in the tale told by Palpatine. He later found out his master would soon replace him with a powerful being born out of the force itself and decided to kill him before he could act on it. He then set an elaborate ruse to find the child and make him his own apprentice, an ultimate weapon to end the jedi.
Badprenup
I mean sure, that's all fine and stuff. But part of the rule "show don't tell" is that you have to actually SHOW something happening lol. Padme's death would hold more weight and not be a point of ridicule if they had made it clear Palpatine was responsible for it.
As for Anakin's birth, iirc Plagueis being involved is canon but to me it seemed like a bad choice, being able to make life with the Force is a major "shark jump" moment imo. To me it would have been more fitting to have that be 1/2
Badprenup
A lie he told Palpatine to convince him of Plagueis' own powers, and he could have had Anakin's mom impregnated with genetic material from a very powerful Force user (likely himself), in an effort to fulfill the prophecy of a Jedi Chosen One like he claimed he could do.
Hell he could have done it to dozens across the galaxy and Anakin was just the most promising person for him to use for his own ends. I like that take on Plagueis a lot more, a Sith using tricks and lies to oversell his powers.
ElectricFops
I dunno about it being a 'jump the shark' moment any moreso than the EU pre-Disney had already been portraying powerful Sith as literally being able to murder entire planets using the Force, and rip capital ships from the sky to send them crashing into cities with their minds.
Problemwoodchuck
Yeah, strong villains propel movies like Star Wars as much as the heroes. If the prequel is bookended with Palpatine conducting Temple of Doom-esque sith rituals alongside Anakin's birth and Padme's death he goes from mid-level manager of evil to the Devil himself.
Plus it would open the door for the sequels to bring him back under a stronger premise than '"somehow."
SlyMrFox
Some have said that if Palpatine had been the main character of the prequels, it might have worked better. Not sure how it'd work, but it'd be interesting.
TheSpaceCroissant
Heard the same about Obiwan for ep1: the movie would have been waaay more interesting i had it focused primarily on his character and on his coming of age.
Imagine this: he's something like 17, he falls for a young servant of queen Amidala who turns out to be the queen herself, but eventually fully embraces the jedi stoicist ideal and puts his duty as a guardian of peace before his romantic feelings for her. That would have made Anakin's downfall even more dramatic and further motivated his =>