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Dovely15
Technically, no lives matter. The universe doesn't give a fuck if you live or die.
grizzzzzly
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ImJustHereToShareMyCats
Matter, matters!
Wasindear
But Bob doesn't have any food
Sunky
"Lol" - Universe
SwashbucklingForJustice
Yes, that statement is sufficiently vague so as to be meaningless.
MostOfImgurGenerallyPissesMeOff
so is black lives matter
IHaveNoIdeaAnymore
1.No, it means there is been a lot of hate on both ends of the spectrum and it needs to stop. BLM wants equality? Totally agree. Instead of
IHaveNoIdeaAnymore
2.hating on all cops, try to work with the ones that do their job to make a real change. Stop making their lives harder. BLM, All lives do.
atleastivestillgotmypersonality
I understand the sentiment of this, but this is still just the same as "All Lives Matter." Just ignoring the problem.
MelfsAcidArrow
The implication is "too" not "only"
optimasonder
we don't matter, but how we think matters
whatcaniwriteinhere
This did not age well....
NaskarrKid
My city held a unity march with the BLM people and the police last night.
CheetahFart
Nothing matters, we're all gonna die
AftertheRenComestheRenbow
Come watch tv?
Greekos1
I saw a photo where in Maryland the residence blocks any attacks against the police. It was so heart warming
sirbroderic
Yes, all lives matter. Currently POC are still being marginalized and are at a far higher risk of dying, this is why BLM exists. I don't /1
sirbroderic
Agree with everything BLM is doing, but their movement is based in a good cause. I'm both pro-cop and pro-black. Equality for everyone, eh?
xTheMaestro
They are at a higher risk, but not because of race. Police have more interactions with blacks because they live in denser areas and commit 1
xTheMaestro
more crimes. More interactions lead to more incidents, which lead to more shootings. According to the FBI blacks commit 32% of all violent 2
xTheMaestro
related shootings. So yes, black lives matter, and the cops appearing to be trying harder than their fellow community members. Sources:
xTheMaestro
crime, 49% of all murders, and 54% of all robberies despite being 13% of the population. Yet they make up only 26% of victims of officer 3
StormSmithXXXV
POC is just a dumb fucking term mannnn
sirbroderic
Yeah, but I can't really think of a better one? Non-white?
StormSmithXXXV
why must we divide ourselves based on who is non-white and white ;(
sirbroderic
yeah that's my point
AminalPlanet
http://m.imgur.com/a/YkDVQ
PattyCrepeauWatson
I think most people are upset when a life is lost under such circumstances we must stand together to solve this prob
LeagueFriends
Tell that to like the 60% of people insta right now
deusexmacadamia
"All lives matter" is a good idea but it's a dismissive handwave
mofopro
It's NOT: "(ONLY) Black Lives Matter". It IS: "(Black Lives Matter (TOO)". ANYONE who infers the former is an idiot.
hoffbox
People love them straw men
baileybug633
No, not idiots, we are scared and trying to make sense of the utter chaos and violence our country has been plunged into
hoffbox
Pro tip: Turn off the TV.
ChameleonFacedGoon
stop posting this shit
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
It's like a house fire. All of them are bad but BLM is highlighting the house currently on fire that needs attention more quickly.
BeckyDurham
580 whites were shot by police in 2015 340 blacks were shot by police in 2015 85 total were unarmed of them 40 were white 20 were black
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
Blacks make up 12% of the US population, whites 74%. That's about .0002% of whites and .0009% of blacks. Proportions matter.
blubbamannen
They also commit more crimes... Dont believe everyting youve being told.
Yourcommentdeservesmorerecognition
BLM is blaming the firefighters for not being able to put out all fires wo property damage instead of the arsonists starting fires
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
That's stretching the metaphor. They're expecting firefighters to put out the fires equally instead of leaving some burning.
Yourcommentdeservesmorerecognition
There's few cases where the cops actually come to your home and launch tear gas into your infants crib. Lumping Mike Brown type shootings
Yourcommentdeservesmorerecognition
In with true cop malfeasance seems like a grotesque twisting of all logic, and championing the criminal behaviour cops exist to stop
Yourcommentdeservesmorerecognition
I hear you, it just often seems to come across as rejecting any possibility that the person getting shot may have contributed in any way
MelfsAcidArrow
http://fusion.net/story/170591/the-next-time-someone-says-all-lives-matter-show-them-these-5-paragraphs/
Sacurason
These issues are too intricate to discuss in 140 characters. We're probably misunderstanding each other half the time on here.
SashaMomo
SashaMomo
Seriously though, don't shoot people.
lolthisismyusername
Yes he does.
AGCGACCAAGACAACGUUGACGAAAGC
I don't!
shmekie
I want to agree with you just to be an sarcastic ass but you sound like you need help more than a joke.
bldl
Aw, you matter buddy!
Ansatsunin
You know something? At this point, with everyone trying to tell everyone else who and what does and doesn't matter so much, I think a 1/?
Ansatsunin
better approach would be to remind everyone that we are all equally insignificant flecks in the vast emptiness of space. You know, so 2/?
Ansatsunin
people start taking themselves LESS seriously instead of MORE seriously all the time, and can have a fucking chuckle together and relax 3/?
Ansatsunin
a little, enjoying life, for what it's worth.
mrvladimir
Obviously all lives matter, but saying that doesn't address the problem. It's the cry of the ostrich trying to keep its head in the sand.
zaphod
the bigger problem is in the black community itself, they kill more of each other than cops do, so why no movement there?
hoffbox
If you'd ever spoken directly with a black person about that, you'd know. I suggest it.
hoffbox
(Hint: they're super aware of it, and it happens to be a totally separate issue of a completely different nature.)
FourCatsAndSevenMemesAgo
I'm sorry, but saying "black lives matter" doesn't address the problem either
mrvladimir
another human being's distress, switching the focus to a technically true but morally empty statement.(3/4)
mrvladimir
Only one of the two phrases has a chance of starting a useful discussion focused on the situation at hand. The other phrase devalues (2/?)
mrvladimir
Only one of the two phrases forces you to question the status quo of subconcsious racial bias resulting in disproportionate violence.(1/?)
mrvladimir
https://m.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3du1qm/eli5_why_is_it_so_controversial_when_someone_says (4/4)
GhostTasha
I still don't feel way this way, but maybe I just don't understand it, I don't know. I feel like the name distracts from the cause?
RevolutionOnHerLips
It's almost as if you have to look at it from outside your own perspective in order to make sense of it.
KimBongChill
https://m.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3du1qm/eli5_why_is_it_so_controversial_when_someone_says/
mrvladimir
This shoud have more points. Well sourced!
flapperfemmefatale
That's just a cheap excuse to ignore an issue. Imagine not being able to dismiss a cause based on the name
hoffbox
And yet people do it all the time with [insert social movement here]
GhostTasha
I don't want to ignore the issue! Not at all, the name just confuses me, and I want to understand it.
veronicamarsdestroyerofworlds
The cause is ending police brutality against black people. Why, exactly, do you think the name is so off-base?
GhostTasha
Because it opens itself up so easily to criticism. I just wonder why they chose it, I stand with the cause.
veronicamarsdestroyerofworlds
I don't think it does, though. I do think that many people will look at a name that contains the word "black" and immediately write it off.
veronicamarsdestroyerofworlds
Those people were never actually going to support the movement.
axiomatik
I don't understand this anti-BLM/All Lives Matter stuff. When there is a breast cancer walk, people don't shout "ALL cancers matter"
KeeleonOhms
Because #blacklivesmatter doesn't fully adress the actual problem of police corruption which does affect everyone.
theycallmehiphopapotomus
God you're so right. People don't get the implicit "too".
EdwardGiles
It's more of the issue that the "leader" of BLM said all lives matter is a racial slur.
hoffbox
It's all about context, homie. In and of itself, "all lives matter" is a super reasonable statement.
ChocoCheesecake
There is no leader.
khazaria
It was started to highlight a problem specifically about the killing of black people. By trying to negate that, saying All Lives Matter, 1/2
khazaria
people actually are negating that black lives DO matter. BLM is calling for equality (there are nuts), All Lives says there is no prob. 2/2
EdwardGiles
But the statistics show that there in inequality towards whites..
axiomatik
Per capita rates show black men are 4-5x as likely to be shot by police than white males
EdwardGiles
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime/19439
EdwardGiles
because they are massively over represented in crime statistics to around the same magnitiude
khazaria
There are several times more whites than blacks in the US, so you would expect more shot. Unfortunately, there's no real national database.
EdwardGiles
The stats are taken per capita (100,000)
TheElusiveDoctorTurkish
It's a silencing tactic. What's not to understand?
zaphod
silencing tactics are what the BLM specialize in, they'll learn as they keep pushing the violent rhetoric, it can come back on them too
JamBarn
I'd be interested to see the WIDESPREAD violent rhetoric.
zaphod
its called google, use it.
JamBarn
Yeah okay. Later.
TwoVhsCopiesOfGoodfellas
Because like all movements, BLM has been taken over by retards hijacking a good movement for the wrong reasons.
ttprog
Doesn't address his point
veronicamarsdestroyerofworlds
"When someone says 'save the rainforest,' do you think they mean 'fuck all other kinds of trees!'?" --Matt McGorry
wadatahmydamie
The "all lives matter" thing was started by people with the same mindset as Men's Rights Activists... An insecure majority.
hnk416
I feel bad for the guys who want to fix actual problems guys face when they get lumped in with "men are oppressed!" morons
Zokalwe
Sadly the MRA fuckers seem to fully take advantage of a vacuum that should have been filled with a healthier movement.
hnk416
Yuuup. Dudes -do- have problems, they're just different on multiple levels than what women have. They need to be addressed in different ways
hnk416
Guy problems are WAY different than womens problems, mostly stuff like custody issues and old "men are always the head of the house" shit.
theycallmehiphopapotomus
And those problems are rooted in the gender roles that MRAs seek to maintain.
TheJewelOfJool
Gender roled are stupid. This comment was brought to you by an MRA.
wadatahmydamie
Male-exclusive problems exist, but "MRA" implies that men don't control almost everything. It comes across as audacious and petulant.
TheJewelOfJool
Found the feminist.
wadatahmydamie
So? Unless you're mistaking me for one of those dumbassed Tumblr feminists, that's not an insult.
SidneyHarbor
Men are not a majority.
shedooooooooo
It's saying the majority of men's rights activists are insecure men.
hoffbox
Technically correct. I don't think that's precisely what they meant, though. "Group in position of greater power / privilege" maybe.
wadatahmydamie
And yet, they run everything, write all the laws, and statistically speaking, make more than women for doing the same work.
sprbwlshuffler
The wage gap has been debunked numerous times. Check your facts. And men make the laws because they're in the position to do so.
sprbwlshuffler
If you're not in office, you can't make the laws. It's like me getting mad at Ben & Jerry's for making their ice cream with milk.
TalkingOutOfMyAss
Fallacies.. Fallacies everywhere.. Seriously dude.
wadatahmydamie
Username checks out
AStainlessSteelRat
Talk about a silencing tactic. Jesus H.
zaphod
no actually they don't earn more for doing the same job, its just made up bullshit.
wadatahmydamie
According to misogynists, MRA's, Red pill idiots, and other similarly useless types. Numbers say you're wrong.
TMeerkat
whats insecure about wanting equal rights?
wadatahmydamie
Nothing is insecure about wanting equal rights. What makes MRA's insecure is that men control damn near everything, but they want even more.
TMeerkat
they are two sides of the same coin.
wadatahmydamie
Oh bullshit. The "same thing both sides" thing is an intellectually lazy cop out.
TMeerkat
MRAs what to improve areas in which men are treated unfairly just like feminists want to do the same for women.
shedooooooooo
Women are asking for equal rights b/c they're discriminated against more than any other group, and the MRA just tries making it about them.
TMeerkat
Both men and women deal with different forms of discrimination. Feminists and MRAs are very similar in their beliefs.
sprbwlshuffler
Really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRsYwu8uD4I
shedooooooooo
You're clearly a mens rights activist, there's no arguing with you.
NotaClipaMagazine
I think you have a basic misunderstanding of what the MRM is about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK7n_XA40V8 This comes out in Oct.
wadatahmydamie
It's about insecure douchebags not content to run everything and write all the laws, including the tender years doctrine.
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wadatahmydamie
Tumblr is terrible, and just as terrible as those Red Pill douchebags. Men run the world, but they're bitching that they don't have more?
dutyford
The difference is cancer survivors don't go out and assassinate cops, stop traffic on highways, riot and loot, etc.
FallingWithStyleSquirrel
They would if they were prejudiced against breast cancer.
YouKillBugsGoodRigo
LMAO ACTUALLY SOME MENINISTS DO BITCH ABOUT HOW MUCH ATTENTION BREAST CANCER GETS OVER OTHER CANCERS LMAO
sprbwlshuffler
Black lives do matter, but BLM is becoming a punchline and a nuisance. They need to stop disrupting other events and obstructing commerce.
sheanar
BLM caused a scene at Toronto Pride and forced Pride to exclude cops from all events next year. They have become bullies.
MenaceToSobriety
Generally cancer-walks don't deliberately obstruct commerce, occasionally promote violence or disrupt scheduled public events.
reicaden2
Or rob 7/11s... did no one else see how the sniper shot the window of a business and black looters went nuts until police showed up ?
Xdeddc
Even though I dislike BLM, Im sure their response would be that they apologize that highlighting systemic problems inconveniences you.
danishjuggler21
Lol the fun ones do
JimBongosognoBmiJ
yeah protesters these days are getting dumber and dumber.
Andalite
"occasionally"
MenaceToSobriety
If I didn't include that word, you know what the responses would have been.
YouKillBugsGoodRigo
IT'S TOUGH TO ADDRESS THAT IN 140 CHARACTERS BUT IN THAT RESPECT THEY'RE DIFFERENT AND I FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW THAT TOO.
MenaceToSobriety
I was responding to the original comment. Reading comprehension is very important.
TJ4y
The breat cancer ralliers arent calling for open season on cops, or wishing death upon a whole race.
ttprog
Doesn't address his point
lucky13kenny
Your simple analogy does not apply to this complex situation
irpilot
Your last statement is about as dumb and overused as the "Spoons made me fat, but you don't ban them" argument.
TzhoOriatee
Because they don't call it a hate crime to say all Cancer matters. And Breast Cancer patients don't call for others to be killed.
ArandomDane
Considering funding vs incidents/fatalities, it might be a good idea if people started.
ilovecrazydogs
I gotta say since my dad died I get annoyed at how often I see stuff for breast cancer. Not that I don't care, but maybe it's a grief thing
ilovecrazydogs
To specify he died from cancer
SavagePatchKids
Hello from the future! The irony that after 4 years this is still something people struggle to comprehend.
itsnotsciencefiction
In my head I do tbh is that bad? My dad died of thyroid cancer
flapperfemmefatale
Yeah, that's kinda selfish.
JonathanHoag
Breast cancer receives *massive* funding in comparison to cancers that kill a much higher number of people. The Komen Foundation spends 1/2
JonathanHoag
a very high percentage of their donations on lawyers defending "Walk for the..." and a sadly small amount on cancer research. Look it up.
dandelionwino
This is true. They also don't train the mammogram techs and give lots of women false positives on purpose so they can charge more.
Counterfit
Defending their trademark also prevents unscrupulous assholes from scamming people who think they're helping.
Mcmcman
I actually have a huge issue with the breast cancer stuff for the same reaso
ParanoidWithGoodCause
BLM are a bunch of racists, that doesn't mean we don't have a serious problem with our law enforcement and their use of deadly force
Butane9000
Breast cancer actually effects a smaller percentage of people than other cancers (prostate, lung etc.)
hoffbox
But it involves BOOOOOOBS and everybody loves those
RadicalDud
But why is it the responsibility of those effected by breast cancer to shine a light on lung cancer. Why don't u do it if u actually care?
Butane9000
That's not what I mean. What I'm stating is in the realm of cancers there's really only "a fight against breast cancer" which is weird.
RadicalDud
That's not really true. There's a fight against all cancer. And really, that is what you mean. Otherwise what is your point? Is it... 1/2
RadicalDud
...breast cancer fundraiser's fault when lung cancer advocates don't do more for lung cancer research or awareness? 2/2
Allrighty
I've seen MRAs complain about the disproportionate attention given to breast cancer.
BungusAmungus
Cancer isn't a social issue like that, you can't really compare them.
Sairvous
Cause I dunno maybe BLM is creating MORE racism and helping to regress the civil rights progress we have made.
hoffbox
I'd imagine there's a lot less identity and history of cultural clash tied up in cancer...
chaiden
Because, like most well meaning groups, they've been taken over by extremists and assholes in the publics eyes.
burnedmypopcorn
It's people like you who keep me from despising this community sometimes. Thanks for understanding.
tweedyone
It's more that if we highlight specific races over others we will never be equal. The point is that we shouldn't focus on the race at all...
urb4n0ninj4
Cancer walks don't routinely stop traffic, disrupt lives, or political functions either though...BLM, like feminism has become twisted.
FallingWithStyleSquirrel
It's become twisted because people push against it so much.
axiomatik
All parades, charity walks, public events etc. disrupt business and traffic. To single out one cause as the problem is suspect.
urb4n0ninj4
Except parades/charities, etc are all sanctioned events. Planned and announced. Even marches and protests. Random highway obstruction? No...
AminalPlanet
BLM and Feminism are fine. You're the one with a problem.
urb4n0ninj4
The intentions were fine, it's the bad apples in the bunch that have spoiled them...or are feminsm and BLM supposed to tear others down...?
axiomatik
You can't paint entire groups based on a few bad apples. KKK doesn't rep. all whites, Germans aren't all Nazis, men aren't all wife-beaters.
urb4n0ninj4
I agree. Perhaps I've mispoken. By "the bunch" i mean the movement itself, not EVERYONE who is a part of it.
AminalPlanet
You mean the strawmen. I am a white man and I used to think like you do. Then I actually engaged in the communities. They just want equality
urb4n0ninj4
I didn't say ALL of the supporters are bad. I said the bad apples have ruined the bunch. There's enough that make the whole cause look bad
SparkOut
No they don't. If they wanted equality it would be so shitastic for a white person to live in a black neighborhood. 1
RedClamz
This. I never understood why people try downplaying the black lives matter movement. It's a specific movement highlighting a serious 1/2
RedClamz
2/2 issue happening to a specific community; it's not meant to downplay the notion that we all matter.
blubbamannen
Its a dangerous organization which calls for dead cops. Its extremely racist. Founder is on the wanted terrorsit list.
blubbamannen
She is on there for cop-killing. They march the street preaching "What do we want? DEAD COPS!" They are hysterical, non factual.
Vosian
Funnily enough, Breast Cancer groups like Komen have been accused of bullying other cancer advocacy groups. So an apt comparison after all.
RadicalDud
BLM bullies other activist groups?
Vosian
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-kirchick-gay-pride-black-lives-matter-20160705-snap-story.html
sheanar
They refused to sell shirts non-black supporters at Toronto Pride. That is racist if you ask me.
Vosian
They forced a gay Pride Parade to stop until their demands were met.
Vosian
They also do shit like this- http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/16/black-lives-matter-protesters-berate-white-student/
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Jessifer
In my opinion (which may be wrong I accept that) it need to be be changed to less about race and more about fixing low income areas.
puttputtinthebuttbutt
Yeah but there are also other walks for other cancers. Breast cancer isn't the only cancer that matters.
ttprog
The are plenty of other pride groups, including white pride
shedooooooooo
Yeah, and BC is just a top killer of women and really common, so it gets extra attention to help promote awareness and save lives.
reicaden2
I want my white lives matter walk, and I want it now...
mabalacat
Because some people in the BLM movement seem to think ONLY black lives matter, even though that should not be the intention of the cause.
hoffbox
Well, at least you ventured to say "some".
JonathanHoag
No they don't. No one thinks that. People accuse them of thinking that, so that they can be ignored.
Whitey71020
I've had this shouted at me On my way to work....
LiquorMaster
No one? You're saying out of millions who support BLM, none of them are racist against whites?
mabalacat
I'm not condemning the movement as a whole. I'm condemning the few who have that mindset. And they exist, no point in denying it.
mabalacat
There are bad people in every movement, and BLM catches a lot of flak for the bad eggs that they have. Maybe more than they should.
CapnMawf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC-Cqkq6zWc
CapnMawf
Granted, that dude is awful and I'm not saying he's representative of BLM. But you can't say 'no one thinks that'
Vosian
Last I checked, Breast Cancer Walks don't bully and intimidate others for their own political agenda.
ttprog
Doesn't have anything to do with his point.
Vosian
No, it kind of does. People dislike BLM because BLM is made up of bullies, not because white people are racist.
axiomatik
People are trying to highlight an issue that affects their community, and they are accused of racism and not caring about others.
zaphod
So when they only turn out to protest the police and not to mention their hate speech, a lot of BLM are racists and fascists 3/3
DickButtMcGruff
No one is killing people in the name of breast cancer
IronicUsername
A lot of people would prefer that issue swept under the rug.
diditforbananas
Thank you!
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IronicUsername
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/crime/article88596462.html Yep. Look at all those terrorists. Praying, condemning the Dallas [1]
IronicUsername
attack, and reciting names of the dead. Truly vicious terrorists. They disgust me. [2]
axiomatik
God, you're a jackass. One crazy guy does not represent everyone. I suppose Jeffrey Dahmer represents all us white people?
zaphod
But more black people are killed by fellow blacks than police, so where is BLM for that? Its the hypocrisy that is the issue. 1/?
axiomatik
There's a difference between actions of citizens and actions of police.We can't control citizens but we can demand accountability of police.
hoffbox
Context is a thing. Learn it.
zaphod
well in that case more white people are shot by cops than black... next
IronicUsername
The relevant statistic would be per capita, brains.
axiomatik
Black men are 4-5x as likely to be shot by the police than white men. I guess math isn't your strong suit? Rate vs. absolute #
IronicUsername
This stupid argument again. "Hurr durr why don't you protest the criminalz???" Because criminals don't serve the public, aren't [1]
IronicUsername
tax-funded, and get prosecuted when there's evidence. If a criminal attacks me, I can defend myself. If a cop unjustly attacks me, [2]
IronicUsername
same issue. At all. [4]
IronicUsername
I pretty much have to sit there and take the abuse. If I fight back, in the unlikely event I survive, I'm going to prison. It's not the [3]
zaphod
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/04/01/murders-shootings-soar-chicago-through-first-three-months-2016/82507210/ most black victims 2/
JamBarn
TIL all black people live in Chicago and are criminals.
zaphod
its called an example, more black people shot in ONE city than all the police shooting this year.
JamBarn
Yeah, you picked literally the worst thing you could find and used it as your main example to illustrate, what, that ChiRaq is awful?
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KeeleonOhms
I don't know why this mentality is always met with so much agression and defenseiveness.
axiomatik
This article is a train wreck. No reasonable people are claiming that cops are on a murder-spree.The issue has simply caught media attention
axiomatik
And thus people are more aware of the issue. The article also admits that black men are 6% of pop. But are 40% of those shot while unarmed.
NordicWillness
Did you miss the part below stating the violent crime and the 52% of all US murders by that 12.6% of population?