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Hi. I'm Me. I want to talk about abortion.
I work at an OBGYN clinic. I've seen a variety of situations and medical conditions. I would like to discuss some of them, and some notions of conception.
In the view of medical coding, there are 2 types of abortions. The SAB, and the TAB. This is a wild simplification.
An SAB, or spontaneous abortions, occurs for a variety of reasons. Getting off or on a medication. Your diet is restricted. Your body is under so much stress that it can't create a new one. Glucose. The fucking moon set wrong. The fact is, this happens all the time. It's a goddamn tragedy. Sometimes it happens and we have no idea why. We call this a miscarriage. I've watched men and women weep their eyes out over this so many times. Spontaneous abortion: the miscarriage.
There is also the TAB, or therapeutic abortion. These also occur for a variety of reasons. The one that gets everyone fired up is the choice to keep body autonomy. A person doesn't want to build a child. I support this decision, but that's not the point of this. There are other reasons for this option. In the event of a multiple fertilization, the survival of any fetus sometimes requires a reduction of numbers. Sometimes a patient has cancer, and the attempt to carry will kill them both. Sometimes the fetus failed, for whatever reason, and needs to be removed. And other times, a fetus never formed. The gestational sac formed, but a body never developed.
Again, sometimes a sac forms with no embryo. No fetus. Nothing. And yet we comfort and console a patient. You didn't fail. You didn't kill a baby. There was no baby. I'm so fucking sorry. We have to induce labor for your uterus with no fetus in it.
Bodies are complicated. Lives are even more complicated. Claiming life starts at conception is harmful. Every time I wand a patient for fetal tones, I worry they won't be there. The women who never grew a fetus feel like killers. The women who experienced a miscarriage feel like failures. The men who support them feel hopeless. This is a generalization from observation and my own experience (one miscarriage and three live children).
I am pro-choice. I think every child should be a wanted child. I also think it's cruel to expect women to consider fertilization as humanity. Pregnancy isn't always viable, and even when it is, that doesn't mean it will come to fruition. Christians should recall that a soul enters at first breath, because even the bible understood how cruel loss could be.
I'm an atheist that believes in kindness and understanding. Be kind to people. That includes women contemplating an important choice. You have no idea what anyone is fighting. We're all just people. Be kind.
samplay31
Had 2 ectopic pregnancies in the past 6 months. When your viability consult ends up in major surgery to remove one of your tubes...
samplay31
The fact that American lawmakers don't understand that it's a matter of life and death sometimes baffles me.
dumbledong69
Thank you for posting this. We were potentially going to have to abort a wanted baby because of medical issues. Luckily we didn't have to /1
dumbledong69
It really feels good knowing someone understands the hurt we almost had to go through. /2
Rinsessa
Raised by pro-life parents. Life ain't black & white. Backstreet abortions must remain a thing in the past, as they can lead to more death.
Rinsessa
How to actually prevent abortions? By offering choice and proper sex ed.
76Tromboners
I'm against any government body telling you what you can or can't do with your body.
redrebel730
Like going over the speed limit or taking/ selling drugs or stealing identity. Or not selling cakes.
Giantmutantcrab
Conservatives don't care about decency. They care about having power over others and removing human rights if it can hurt others. That's it.
stickydragon444
The continual conversation of abortion is another reason to separate church from state. Religion needs to mind its own “business”.
Lulabel73
I’m also a pro better education and free contraception person.
mamapants
Absofuckinglutely. Thousand percent.
Lastcentura
At this point it's got nothing to do with killing baby's they just want to control women
WeaponizedJerk
Not even remotely unpopular.
YoungHeathen
In addition to medical needs, it is OK to decide you cannot or will not carry a fetus to term. It is a hard choice, and it is OK to make it.
25schmeckles
Abortion is a RIGHT. You are allowed to excersise this right even if it is a CHOICE for you no matter what the reason. I will die for this
25schmeckles
If anyone didn’t hear me the first time, *I* a LIVING human would die just so ONE more poor girl can actually do as she pleases
25schmeckles
As she so damn pleases. Not a hard concept
wikidleaf
Had two miscarriages in two years. The 1st one was just a empty sac. The 2nd one I didn't even know I was pregnant.
rubypilgrim
good comment. 3 ppl close to me have had abortions. One was ectopic pregnancy, wanted child. Another injured in a car accident. Dr's had-
rubypilgrim
to abort fetus due to her injuries. My oldest sister - violently raped and threatened with death if she told. Dad threatened daughters with-
rubypilgrim
death if they had sex outside of marriage. This was pre-Roe. She was a teen, and had to seek an illegal abortion. It went bad, she was-
rubypilgrim
abandoned with me in an alley, and bled to death in my arms. I was 10. I tell ppl this, and most defend my dad and the rapist, or don't-
rubypilgrim
believe me. Hard to prove- she was cremated, and dad threw her ashes in the trash and told us never to mention her again. I still can only-
rubypilgrim
say this, it's impossible to grasp. I have forgotten my sister's name - trauma no doubt. But not what happened. She wanted to be a pianist.
DigiT00l
Banning abortions only stops safe abortions for the ones who can't afford it, banning abortion is murder
redrebel730
Abortion is not safe for the baby. Therefore, no sage abortions.
Asadsadsadclown
It also just straight up kills people that need abortions because of deadly pregnancies. Google ectopic pregnancy and watch the horror show.
Asadsadsadclown
https://www.thelily.com/the-texas-abortion-ban-has-a-medical-exception-but-some-doctors-worry-its-too-narrow-to-use/
kaytwit
Thank you for putting this so well. Thank you for your work. We terminated in March, never thought I'd ever be in that situation.
kaytwit
Absolutely everyone I encountered at the clinic was kind, empathetic, non-judgemental, supportive. I cried the whole time I was there.
kaytwit
I'm an ICU nurse & I am there when we "pull the plug" & it's difficult to be around grieving families & not take that home with you. I don't
kaytwit
Know how you show up day after day to be so wonderful to us clinic patients with a-hole protesters on your doorstep. THANK YOU.
BESTtaylorINAUSTRALIA
1/The Abortion "controversy" only exists where the laws against have happened, "IT'S AGAINST THE LAW, SO IT'S WRONG!" self perpetual problem
BESTtaylorINAUSTRALIA
2/ And those laws exist in a backwards Country, buildt to be Secular Rights with "Christian" laws. Don't drag God into this shit...
BESTtaylorINAUSTRALIA
The Lord is NOT against Abortion, and more so wouldn't want a Life of a woman taken for a so called "Murder" of a foetus.
ElbowDeepInGod
I'm a man, my opinion doesnt matter, but I'll fucking fight for a womans right to choose.
redrebel730
But your opinion doesn’t matter why are you fighting?
PooPculture
I agree but you'll never convince the other side. They view it as child murder. I've tried. They won't change their minds.
redrebel730
So when does life begin?
lizigua
Abortion should be safe and available! And rare!
redrebel730
Democrats got rid of “rare” a while ago. Be careful.
ElusiveThing
Absolutely. It's not like people go about wanting to have abortions. But when they're needed, they should be safe and available.
SirenSinger17
I'm an RN planning on becoming a nurse practitioner so I can provide abortions.
MelodyLightfoot
What about post term abortion? like 43 years late? those okay too?
HelloThere1812
Absolutely.
ExplosionFish
I can't even understand why this is an issue in 2022. There’s a fair bunch of topics that has gone backwards the last couple of years.
zzz777
It's not an issue anywhere else in the First World except the US. Frankly my personal opinion is that the US treats women badly.
Corrodias
Shitty people never went away. Two thousand years is nothing, for evolution, and the age of the old empires looks pretty familiar.
redrebel730
There are a large group of people who think that babies are formed at fertilization. And abortion kills those babies. Does that help you?
Ezzy666
Having control of our lives has always angered some people. They want the good old days when we didn't have any
trs2
Very well said…
ispendtomuchtimehere
for me, first, you got no uterus, you got no opinion
Noahbalboa82
Personally, I agree. I'll never carry a child, I don't want to be responsible for any laws about it. If there are any laws, let women vote
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ptothedubs
No it’s not. There are cis women who don’t have uteruses and trans men who do. Only people who can get pregnant should make these decisions.
ElviraQueenOfDarkness
I had a missed abortion. At 8W we had a healthy heart beat at 10W nothing. Fetus had stoped growing at about 8W. It had a partial molar 1/
stupidfaceshiba
I had two partial molar pregnancies. It’s scary. The chance for cancer goes up with each one. So my husband and I stopped trying
ElviraQueenOfDarkness
*hug* so sorry for you. My second pregnancy was heavily monitored bacuase of the PMP. Thinking about trying again gives me so much stress. 2
ElviraQueenOfDarkness
So now we have a foster :) my son loves his foster sister. Shes 15.
stupidfaceshiba
That’s great! I’m happy for you and your expanded family :3 <3
ElviraQueenOfDarkness
Had the fetus kept developing it would have very bad odds if it even made it so far. But because it was a molar pregnancy the "molar" was 2
ElviraQueenOfDarkness
Still releasing hcg my body didnt know to abort.
leahatard
That’s an extremely similar situation to me+ a few of my friends.So sorry for your loss and the rollercoaster this must have put you through
ElviraQueenOfDarkness
Thank you, and same to you. I heard from my specialist that now that we test earlier we notice then faster. Same with molars, used to be 1/
ElviraQueenOfDarkness
Rare as a doc to see one, but now that echos are so advanced and common the. Nummbers are going up.
Noahbalboa82
Would these new abortion restriction laws prevent you from an abortion? I hope I'm not being insensitive, just curious
ElviraQueenOfDarkness
I live in Europe, and a very profressive country to boot. Well IDK how it would be for a woman in Texas. There was no heartbeat. But not 1/
ElviraQueenOfDarkness
Doing a D&C can lead to cancer. The molar part of the pregnancy is a tumurous growth that secretes Hcg that can turn cancerous. There was a
Twinklepot
Mental health issues, rape, incest, domestic abuse .. lots of situations out there that I can't even imagine.
ptothedubs
Yup, I’m in the first category. I desperately want a baby, but I’m in no place mentally for it, nor can I afford to go off my meds rn.
mamapants
That was a serious issue with one of our late term patients. Daily phone calls between Dr.s. She needed meds, but we couldn't induce yet.
ptothedubs
Oh man that sounds awful. Luckily my mood stabilizers are (supposedly) safe, but trying to teach without my Adderall will be… interesting.
ptothedubs
I also have a LOT of therapy to get through first. Dissociating to the point that I can’t move for 2 hours isn’t conducive to parenthood.
AlceCosmico
Probably going to get hate but I had an abortion because my partner developed cancer and had to have intensive radiation treatments.
trikucian
Absolutely no hate from me, a fellow mom. You had another child and a husband to take care of, let alone the serious radiation
AlceCosmico
His doctor informed us that we shouldn't conceive any children as it would leave the child disabled, we were already pregnant.
AlceCosmico
After treatments, we couldn't even have our other child in our house, he had to sleep at my mums. That's how powerful it was
Porecomesis
chastidy
Should be able to get rid of kids up to 2 or 3
risqueorindecent
FiveShiftOne
Situations that could only be improved by a "Shut your dumb fucking mouth and let me speak."
redrebel730
You must also be against op using the Bible in op’s argument since op isn’t a Christian.
FarkasMacTavish
What?
fraxinusoleaceae
Good lad. Didn't vote for him, but we need every decent voice we've got right now.
alpacasaurusrex
Maybe you should.
fraxinusoleaceae
I mean, no I would still rather others have won over him. I'm just glad he's involved.
FloodingWaters
I think this interview was after the last time Petey B ran for prez. (Petey B is what no one calls him)
Totallyirelephant
Had a miscarriage last week and want to kill myself. So you know, life is great
KaiEllisiguessthe2nd
They are rarely talked about, but more common than people think. You did nothing wrong, you deserve life.
trikucian
It was not your fault. The fetus was likely malformed due to errors in cell division during meiosis. If you want a baby please try again
Superhereaux
Talk to someone about it. My wife and I have had 2 miscarriages. We talked privately to friends and it’s a lot more common than you think.
joq8
I read recently that 1 in 5 pregnancies end in miscarriage. I previously had no idea it was that common.
mirrelle
This, i disclosed my miscarriage with come colleagues and i was amazed how many had been through it too.
PrincessWasabi
I’m sorry for your loss :( the only thing that will help is time and love. Sending good vibes your way
Tqy06
Had one in early February. Random chance apparently. Take the time to grieve ❤️
DVSBSTrD
mamapants
I'm so sorry. Please understand it often has nothing to do with you or your lifestyle. Sometimes life just sucks. It's not your fault. Sorry
paladindansesgirlfriend
Agree here - every known woman in my family has a miscarriage for their first.
mamapants
I had a miscarriage and still 3 kids, if you want them. One event doesn't determine the future. Dont let this event define you.
mamapants
If you don't want kids, you did nothing wrong. You can have kids or not. No one defines you or your future. You have choice.
Bowlinjabs
This is wholesome as heck and I absolutely love seeing people being human and showing empathy. Sounded like you were offering them your kids
Bowlinjabs
Which I thought was funny, that’s all lol. Please continue on your day being a nice human :D
gostoso666
Hugs ??
msmagoo
I am so so sorry. But yes, to echo many others, it is soooo much more common than people realize. Please don't give up. My girlfriend had 1/
msmagoo
About 5 or so miscarriages before she finally had her son and then 2 years later had her daughter. It isn't over. Big hugs to you.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
I’m so so sorry to hear that. Truly. But please, seek help. 99.9% of the time, miscarriages are just dumb bad luck. It’s not your fault.
Thornaxe
We apply such stigma to miscarriages and infertility. It’s so sad. They’re more common than most realize.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Indeed. It’s a heartbreaker, and unfortunately it’s all too common for women to get scorn and shame rather than the sympathy and support-
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
They need.
1c3y1ce
I’m sorry for your loss. :( *prayers*
ptothedubs
I’m so so sorry you’re going through that. Is there anything I can do to help support you? Connect you with resources or anything?
leahatard
My first pregnancy was a missed miscarriage- embryo stopped developing but body didn’t abort. Message me any time if you need to talk.
huskypaws
You are not alone. Please feel free to PM me, I just went through this 2 months ago and felt the same.
NVGoddesscottage
Love you sweets. Hang in there.
Waitihavesomething4this
It happens so often that I’ve had 3 pregnancies full term and every SINGLE nurse and doc that asks how many miscarriages I’ve had asks
Waitihavesomething4this
AGAIN when I say zero. Now that may not be true I may have miscarried super early but zero that I know of. And that is rare apparently
Taxicat
If it helps any: miscarriages ultimately happen because the fetus failed a QC checkpoint. Not you; you did absolutely nothing wrong. >
Taxicat
>Your body was just trying to keep YOU safe and sound, because YOU are important and worth saving.
chata954
Same happened to me, my boss comment: count your blessings don't be down. I said uh i think I'll just be sad, my body prepped for a baby 1/
chata954
And hormones skyrocketed, now they are plummetting and i don't have no baby to be happy about, so I'll just be sad for a bit, my body 2/
chata954
Doesn't care who is uncomfortable about it. Doesn't care if i understand, just sad. 3/3
tongueblastedfartbox
Wife went through 4 before we had our daughter. Worst experiences ever. Sending virtual hugs that I know don't help much.
kokopotato
You are not alone, ive had 3 and it doesn't get easier. Feel free to dm. But I understand the horrible feeling
nerdasaursaysrawr
I had one last year. It’s devastating but it’s not your fault. Give yourself time and talk to someone.
NeilRigby
We had one late last year. Still not over it. I was blown away when I found out 1 in 4 pregnancy’s end in miscarriage! That’s a fucking huge
wompwompwomp
When my mom told me she was pregnant, she said she wasn’t supposed to tell anyone yet because she could still miscarry. My sister’s 17 now
wompwompwomp
It’s so common, they told her to wait until she was 2 months (?). She also miscarried before me
Thornaxe
Yup. Although those numbers have become somewhat bloated. Urine tests are SO good now, women can detect a lot of pregnancies before 1/2
Thornaxe
They’re really real.
casualgeography
I can’t even begin to understand. I do know the easiest thing in the world is to find fault in yourself when you’re grieving. Sending love.
Mbcb350
1. I want to hug you. You are very much not alone in this. After my first mc I laid in bed for a week and hated my curtains for some reason.
Mbcb350
2. I watched Frost Nixon over & over & over. I don’t know why. I just wanted to die. I felt empty & useless & full of toxic failure.
Mbcb350
3. The very real loss & hormones are huge. It gets better though. It does. I had more mc after, but I also had 2 really great kids.
Mbcb350
4. I’m with you. Millions of women are. This is horrible, your grief is real & necessary & you are going to be OK.
AteUp
I'm Christian and discovered I can't find any justification in the bible to be anti abortion. I wish more people were willing to be wrong
redrebel730
10 commandments.
leahatard
Life in the bible is written as when the baby takes its first breath.
redrebel730
No it isn’t.
leahatard
Psalm 146:4 When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish.
leahatard
There’s many verses that refer to “the breath of life”:Job 33:4“The Spirit of God has made me,and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”
redrebel730
Babies breath fluid in the womb.
leahatard
I have you several quotes- humour me with one too?
leahatard
Genesis 2:7Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, +breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; +man became a living being.
leahatard
Job 27:3 ESV / 12 As long as my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils
redrebel730
None of these say that life of people who aren’t Adam begins at breath. Also, poetry.
leahatard
It’s like debating with a wall. Enjoy your opinion and your poetry, man.