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But also probably cheese and bacon
(originally posted by @BlazeMayhem on 2019-09-30 16:01:37)
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(originally posted by @BlazeMayhem on 2019-09-30 16:01:37)
easyoneundone
Herwood
I never liked this because the person could actually really be trying to make a difference but this other person just asumes they aren’t.
PaleAsFuck
Paper? I'm pretty sure Sweden have plenty of trees for that
meeperton
for people out there reading this, no one likes the last guy. don't be that guy. they are the pretentious ass they are whining about
TheCouldHaveBeenKing
I'd say they are both annoying pricks, but yeah.
BenjaminSapiens
This post and the comment by empyrean-sea are more self-righteous and obnoxious than what the first person said.
RandomUserC137
“That’s right plebs, keep in-fighting while 100 corporations acct for 75% of pollution.” Citizens United... indeed.
FweejTheOverseer
I miss cheese, but I also enjoy pooping properly.
Feralkyn
Why's the second fucking moron assume that the first guy doesn't know and do all that?? What a pretentious asshole
iamdanman
Don’t call me sweetie. Vegan.
metalrulercid
When you say "sweetie" you can fuck right off, ye coont
awkwardllama
Unpopular opinion but all the vegans I know are actually very chill people just trying to make thoughtful choices and they've never shamed(1
awkwardllama
Me for anything I eat or wear or do. *shrug* (2)
awkwardllama
And, like....I eat a LOT of steak (3)
NoItsATideUsername
I miss going to baseball games
lanthanidehighway
betcha they don't eat gluten either.
FoxySpirit
BIG fact check: cut out palm oil and they will replace it with another crop. The oil won't magically come from another place. /1
AgainstMethod
Not magic, but it'll come from another place.
FoxySpirit
Only that palm oil is by FAR the most efficient oil crop on the whole planet!! Seriously, we are talking factor 3 per square mile! Check it!
graft
We're also paying those farmers next to nothing and encouraging them to ruin their land. It's unsustainable at the current rate.
LunaLucia
Maybe it is more space efficient, but it does require the space of tropical rainforests.
FoxySpirit
Yes, but the new oil won't magically come from another place. It's literally the same farmers now chopping down more for the new crops.
AustraliaTellsItHowItIs
Amusing fact. It's up there with how going organic in some cases means reduction in crop yield. Less yield means more area is needed.
gaijinsmash
This is honestly a shit argument. "if you can't do all of these things, then fuck it, don't do any of them"
chapterhawk101
No it's not. She specifically says going vegan saves the rainforest. It has absolutely no bearing on that, so the original statement is bad.
gaijinsmash
Consuming less beef/dairy products saves the rainforest as about 80% of deforestation in the Amazon is due to cattle...so actually it does
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
Not to mention the whole lie about deforestation having to do with the lumber industry. The real culprit? The beef industry.
pizzaparty
Fwiw, Japan built the 2020 Olympic stadiums out of rainforest wood http://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-olympics-landrights-idUSKBN17N294
amop
They probably care about both and just don’t know about one
amop
You guys really hate vegans so much that you’d rather downvote me than admit everyone on the planet would care about that shit?
Amalgamateforces
I can not express the recent hair trigger emotional state of this platform recently. Liberalism is GOOD, but GD, they down shit and not read
Frogapus
Also just being a little vegetarian can help a lot. Eat red meat only occasionally, or do veggies plus bacon and chicken. Still helps.
Piegiver
Go vegan - I'm here if you need any tips/advise/words of encouragement!
TheCouldHaveBeenKing
I love the taste and texture of meat. What you got for me?
Piegiver
black bean
TheCouldHaveBeenKing
Not even close to either of those properties. Good hustle though.
Piegiver
It was joke. Can sensory pleasure justify an action?
Kateness
... Well, yeah, he/she probably misses those tribes too. Weird question.
twentyfourjay
Biased post. Im not vegan myself but this entire posts survives on vegan hate.
ItsCalledLivin
90% of Amazon deforestation is for beef production
Enginerrrrrrrrr
This is correct. But American vegans ain't preventing that beef...
Piegiver
False: https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN20F2QE
trikucian
While true, if you're in Canada almost all of your meat is Canadian
sStuRdY
But your Canadian Beef is fed with American Corn and, mostly, South American soy. Its like saying your Ford was only made in USA.
TheCalmLlama
I think it's said to be closer to 70 but either way it's fucking bad
Malsbury
You should see the deforestation in Queensland Australia. 80%of Aust. Deforestation is in Qld. Primarily for beef production.
exponentiallymusical
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/Deforestation/deforestation_update3.php#:~:text=In%20the%20Amazon%2C%20industrial%2Dscale,defores
exponentiallymusical
Two of the leading causes are cattle ranching and soy production
DatGringo
deforestation is for increase ag exports (not just beef). lots of soybeans. China has tariffs on USA ag imports so Brazils sales are way up
pennyarcade3
Isnt the soy used as cattle feed though?
Malsbury
Mostly.
DatGringo
Its primarily for the pigs not the beef; China has a massive pig health problem and they are importing record pork
cauliflowersweetandsour
There’s cows in the rainforest?
Raenon
There are cows where there used to be rainforest.
Dudeitsausername
Nice, good that their making use of the rainforest to get more meat.
cauliflowersweetandsour
While I am perplexed and very just “?????” It does kind of make sense, sorta
arnika69
Yeah but reality means somebody doesn't get to make a hypocritical self righteous put down on somebody!
UnpopularOpinionPaul
Sauce?
closhedbb
Ohhhh, beef sauce sounds like a good thing!
TheSheeple
BBQ for me, mostly.
YoungJables
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_of_the_Amazon_rainforest
soon
Wow.
fitbitbracelet
For what it's worth, Arbor Day Foundation Coffee helps support coffee growers who grow coffee bean plants that are able to be grown in the
fitbitbracelet
Shade, this preventing deforestation for coffee plots. https://shop.arborday.org/coffee/
CommentsThisTimeLastYear
There?s plenty of good reason to be vegan without taking this holier-than-thou stance. Why is ?personal choice? never good enough?
IGarfunkledYourMother
I definitely see more preachy anti-vegan people who make meat part of their personalities than I see preachy vegans.
AgainstMethod
It is a personal choice, but that in itself isn't a good moral argument. And meat eaters are always so weirdly defensive about their diets.
CommentsThisTimeLastYear
(originally by @dabrick31 on 2019-09-30 16:05:04)
Ghostlogicz
This was our last top comment , man I guess there were a lot more vegans before they had to deal with coronatine
hajimedj
Maybe the 'rona offed them
BaklavaMatatas
I hate preachy vegans pissing everyone off. People on here downvote me for saying I'm VEGETARIAN cause those cunts pissed everyone off
Feralkyn
I've never seen a preachy vegan, only people mocking them. Unicorns, man.
BaklavaMatatas
Imgur comment section is brutal, but yeah, all my vegan friends are super laid back
LaughingInTheFaceOfDanger
If you meet a vegan that does CrossFit, which one do they talk about first?
wolf387465
so that moron is trying to mock caring about rainforest by piling up arguments why destroying rainforest is wrong?
LunaLucia
That person is mocking the pretentious bitch, not the caring about the rainforest part.
chapterhawk101
Except going vegan doesn't save the rainforest. So, the original statement is untrue.
wolf387465
there is more than one step involved, but yes, it does. typical vegetarian diet is about 5 times less land-demanding than the meat one (1/2)
wolf387465
https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2007/10/diet-little-meat-more-efficient-many-vegetarian-diets (2/2)
wolf387465
(i am skipping the fact you did not read or understood the sentence accurately and the original statement is, in fact, always correct.)
allcattywampus
I eat meat but I also notice how hysterically defensive meat-eaters get around vegetarians. Reminds me of gun owners. Or other addicts.
LunaLucia
They get defensive because some vegans/vegetarians get extremely offended and attack them on it. Whether rightfully so or not, getting 1/
LunaLucia
attacked makes you take a defensive stance. 2/2
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Feralkyn
Same. Like, let them live their lives how they want, as long as nobody's actually telling you how to live yours
QuartzPoker
It is rare but I have seen it. PETA does it a lot.
LunaLucia
They're very common online (think I'm talking to one right now actually), but I've also seen them irl and those are even more obnoxious as1/
LunaLucia
you can't turn them off.
LiteralFish
Same way LGBT people get "defensive" when called mentally ill. People tend to want to defend themselves when they're considered inferior.
LiteralFish
People just don't like being looked down on, whether the reason is fair or bullshit.
QuartzPoker
This
lostinspacebar
Comparing LGBT people to meat eaters is quite a leap there. Meat eaters have a choice in what they consume. 1/2
LiteralFish
You're missing the point. The point was someone getting defensive doesn't mean that person feels guilty or is in the wrong. It proves nothng
lostinspacebar
It's ok to try and convince meat eaters to eat less or no meat (although I don't agree with the tone above). The LGBT thing... bigoted. 2/2
surprisecottoncandy
Corporate beef and farming is pretty shit but the answer isn’t just “don’t eat meat or wear leather” animal products are biodegradable
surprisecottoncandy
Plastic isn’t. I try to buy our meet from a small local farm that focuses on sustainable farming. It tastes better too.
floug472
Being vegan doesn't give you a moral high ground but the meat industry is worst for the environment and climate than the things he listed.
ergrey
Where I live you see deer and elk on ranchers property. Farmers cant tolerate that and make a living.
floug472
wild life isn't part of the meat industry
ergrey
Went right over your head. Ranches can live with wildlife. Farms are in competition with it.
floug472
i don't really know what the differance is sorry.
chapterhawk101
I'd estimate oil is far worse.
floug472
by less than you'd think
CatFeeshandDog
TIL I help the rainforest by not buying charcoal, oil, copper, diamonds, coffee, gold— and I avoid palm oil where I can for the orangutangs.
ThomasThundersword
copper and gold are in all your electronics. and copper may be in your pipes. as for palm oil. some is sustainable other sources arnt.
TheFatherMind
I am so angry! Not necessarily at this.. but I am just so angry! I feel like this is the appropriate place to share that.
jasgstock
What about the other items?
pizzaparty
I buy beet sugar (like Pioneer Sugar, which is also employee-owned) to avoid cane sugar.
pizzaparty
https://www.worldwildlife.org/magazine/issues/summer-2015/articles/sugarcane-farming-s-toll-on-the-environment
RayzorHero
It's all said but it likely ppl just stop importing from small countries before abandoning the forest if demand drops... and that's sadest
millenniumf
I get the rest, but how do you avoid buying copper and gold when you typed that comment on an electronic device?
catsaregroundowls
There are ways to lower your impact. Buy used electronics. Make sure you actually recycle electronic products.
millenniumf
I can appreciate that, but I'm an electronics technician, so I'm afraid my livelihood gets in the way.
CatFeeshandDog
I buy aluminum foil for obvious kitchen reasons (not for hats) but I don’t own a car and walk, bicycle or take the bus. I save lots of $$
millenniumf
I think that's great, though I would hope you won't judge me for using a car for transportation.
SalamanderTheWise
Wait.. palm oil is made from orangutans?
Nigbad1984
No, that’s a common mistake though, they just use lots of it and if you use it there’s some poor orangutan going without.
VintageData
Just their palms. They drop the rest of the orangutan into the wild from choppers blasting Wagner. Love the smell of nopalm in the morning.
VintageData
They call it ‘Agent Orangutan’
WouldAPonyByAnyOtherNameBeAsOffencive
For the orangutangs!
epicfail331
The palm oil I use is not the Palm oil being discussed here
cliffjumper83
Copper and gold are difficult to avoid. They are used widely in anything that plugs in.
LordofSandvich
Gold is much more easily recycled than plastics. An old PC might be worth more than you think in the right hands.
windowtudawoll
And a reliable currency since the American dollar is based on nothing and we're heading into a recession
Ohfishyfishyfishyfish
An unfortunate truth :(
Badprenup
I avoid Palm Oil because what the hell is Palm Oil?
idontwanttosignin
It's in almost everything
Moodoo245
Its not usually found as a standalone product but is in many products. Bad bcz they burn down forests to grow the plant
pizzaparty
It's in A LOT of food, like peanut butter, pastries, cookies, crackers.. If you check ingredients at the grocery store you'll see it a lot.
pizzaparty
I still try to avoid it, though. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2018/12/palm-oil-destroying-rainforests-household-items
elinveronicap
Nah man, you have to actively avoid Palm oil to have a chance at all. Read every label. Put down the cookies you wanted. Get other cookies.
CatFeeshandDog
It’s in a lot of candy, especially chocolate bars.
CatFeeshandDog
Or however you spell it. I need to cut back on my sugar to make my brain work right— and help save the Amazon?
sheebalasvegas
or you could just not be pretentious about being vegan and let other people live how they want?
cliffjumper83
I spell it by tapping the little microphone near my space bar and making Siri do it
LordofSandvich
Orangutans. The G sound isn't supposed to be there
Isi151e
Big brain bigger trees. Super simple stuff
LefthandedLink
Two birds. I did appreciate how in OP's post they really tried to act like we're out here buying up precious stones and metals just 'cause.
Isi151e
I know a guy who has black opal for sale. Rumor has it KG has his eye on it so if you're interested let me know
FukcTedCruz
Or the metals were implied by by buying products that contain such metals?
Isi151e
Negative I drive a cardboard box to work and it runs on my imaginaaation
FukcTedCruz
Thank you good sir. I wish more people would follow your example. If they did, climate change would be a thing in the past.
Exyr
What does eating cheese and bacon have to do with the amazon? Its not like the US or Eurasia sources meat from South America
Piegiver
Do some research: https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN20F2QE
Whatdothesockssay
That’s where you’re wrong.
airbreather
I think this is an intentional generalization. Global beef consumption is one of the major reasons places like the Amazon are under threat.
raulote
Ackchually...
ItsCalledLivin
90% of Amazon deforestation is to create land for the beef industry, and yes it's usually just set afire to do so
Thaskippy
That question is irrelevant as they said their reasoning for being a vegan was unrelated to cheese and bacon.
ReginaKasteen
If you come to the El Paso area I can show you exactly where we source meat... but don't worry, you'll be able to smell it.
ChaseRedMoon
Hey, you're making sense. That's not allowed. This is 'Murica! /S
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Brazil is the source of loads of cheap beef. Huge ranching industry in brazil. Notably, the US is one of the few that does import 1/
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
2/ Brazilian beef in large quantities, due to lax food quality regulations meaning they're the main market for cheap beef
MoeMoep
You really think that? https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/food-farming-fisheries/farming/documents/beef-dashboard_en.pdf page 12 pls
MoeMoep
That's for EU. You will probably be able to find sth like this for USA, UK and so on.
xenocratus
I get the point about beef - is it the same proportions for milk and pork? Might be obtuse, but the initial comment is on bacon and cheese
RobertDinero013
They're all on that same chart...
BlueDuckPale
Russel Hume butchers sell meat in the uk imported from south america (and other places)
StayClassyPonyBoy
I know exactly where my meat comes from, it’s walking around in a field about 30 min from my house
LespritDeLescalier22
SQUIRREL
RailRabbit
Mine is locally sourced from neighboring ditches and pavement. Pre-ground
StayClassyPonyBoy
Bone apple teeth!
MissAizea
So you never go out to eat?
StayClassyPonyBoy
Rarely, if i do i eat local. I know where my food comes from
enheru
They're often fed crops from South America. Unless they're free range animals.
LunaLucia
Free range is even worse in most cases (worse for the environment), takes more space and spreads shitloads of manure around.
LunaLucia
Downvote me all you want, but it's fucking true and you know it.
thatswedishguy
Even when the animals are raised in the US or Eurasia, a lot of them are fed soy and other crops grown in South America
RobertDinero013
The US is the second largest producer of soybeans in world, we EXPORT them, not import them.
aussysadmin
Chances are, you export and import, since you can gain more from the former than the latter costs.
RobertDinero013
Funny how government doesn't list them as import then.https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/crops/soybeans-oil-crops/oil-crops-sector-at-a-glance/
aussysadmin
It looks like you are correct, I withdraw my comment.
SullivansMuff
We export a lot of stuff that we also import. Remember when Trump taxed steel imports so others taxed ours in retaliation?
Skr121
That's different types of steel. Soy is soy, I think.
SullivansMuff
Doesn't mean it's not cheaper some years to have your feed shipped in from a 3rd world country with cheap labor
AgainstMethod
High global demand for beef funds cattle and deforestation in the Amazon.
RobertDinero013
Actually a lot of beef comes from Argentina, read your labels.
Exyr
Not around here and really never anywhere I've lived.
RobertDinero013
So you've never seen Tyson, Ballpark, Hillshire, Jimmy Dean, State Farm, or other major brand name products? There's no WalMarts or Krogers>
RobertDinero013
Near you? Check out page 5 https://s22.q4cdn.com/104708849/files/doc_financials/2019/ar/dcdf2f5b-689d-4520-afd6-69691cf580de.pdf
RobertDinero013
That's last the top supplier to the top retailer
Exyr
Never bought any of this products.
RobertDinero013
And they're not sold anywhere you've ever lived?
Exyr
Those
RootyTootyDrunkenShooty
Much of the cheap fast food beef produced for the global market is raised in South America.
Exyr
Hmm yeah didn't consider fast food.
truflehunter
Props to you for being open! I didn't consider fast food either!
jasgstock
He said "global market" though - not US market. Vast majority of US beef, including fast food, is produced within the US, and we import..
Seigeengine
Looks to me like the USA imported $320M in beef from Brazil last year. This is only about 4.1% of Brazil's beef exports.
albinoALPACA
Ouch
Seigeengine
https://www.statista.com/statistics/617492/beef-and-veal-export-value-brazil-by-country-of-destination/
jasgstock
.. little if any raw beef from Brazil. It's generally from other countries.
jasgstock
https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/wcm/connect/4872809d-90c6-4fa6-a2a8-baa77f48e9af/Countries_Products_Eligible_for_Export.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
phoenix071
Only five countries have more cows than people: Uruguay, New Zealand, Argentina, Australia, and Brazil. Three of those are in South America
FartmanMD
Only one has more kangaroos than people. As a nation we need to eat more kangaroo. It’s better for the enviro than any other meat for us
latinomartino
Also I would be scared of a kangaroo uprising. Better to keep down the Roo’s.
FartmanMD
Yeah. 50 million. We couldn’t even beat the emus
thebigsexyfrost0
Its hard to cook it just right though. I can never get it right.
FartmanMD
Yeah it’s tricky. My method for easy roo is leave it to marinate floating in a bowl of olive oil for 1-3 hours, season with salt and 1/2
FartmanMD
Pepper, and cook on the barbie. It adds fat into the meat which makes it a lot easier to eat
TheDarkPunisher
Not only that, but the hoppers are delicious!
FartmanMD
Strong, delicious meat. You ever made gravy out of the drippings? That is the best damn gravy out there. Doesn’t make very much sadly
TheDarkPunisher
No, haven't made gravy out of the drippings. Now I want to next time I get some. Hard to find kangaroo meat here in the states.
DRATandBLAST
I'm suddenly fascinated by Aussies sharing kangaroo recipes. I'm in Michigan so they aren't exactly part of the local fauna. Got any more?