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MitsukeWolf
Lol all of the sources from Wikipedia.
RolandTheLastGunSlinger
My college professor would ask me if I was joking after looking at the citations page lol
miados
since there was a failed buisinesses what about a successful businesses to go next to it as well
busted88
If you're thinking of voting for Hillary I definitely think you should vote for Musk.
Trouble137
Failed businesses doesn't translate into unsuccessful. Everybody fails. It's part of the process
AmorphousPorpous
Yeah, when you look at it, 90% of really successful business owners fucked it up somewhere
Rodeodoc
I'd like to see your Hillary Clinton jobs created numbers. Who the fuck cares about the relationship between Trump and Musk?
BluBoxx
I don't know about jobs, but the Clinton Foundation has helped hundreds of thousands of people over the years
Yamaks
Ah, this is why most professors don't allow wikipedia as a reference
TuggSpeedmann
I hate to be captain buzzkill but Tesla wouldn't have two legs to stand on if not for all the government subsidies.
BluBoxx
Neither would Trump... Or do people seriously not understand the massive amounts of real estate and development subsidy he exploited?
WifiBee
You can add one more incoming failure for Elon. His Hyperloop is a Simpson's Monorail type of dumb, costly and highly dangerous piece.
seranbek
Not one of his businesses. His vision and a proposal for anyone willing to add to and/or implement. 3 US corps and Russia plan to do so.
WifiBee
Really ? These companies some serious engineering revision.
Sarahsmomhasgotitgoingon
Trump bad! No like Trump.
SingleNiceFedoraWearingClassyGuycautiondonotfriendzone
Dem sources doe
Tundra314
Those wikipedia sources tho....
substanceDfordaV
Did he release his tax return?
nwreck
Sweet! Only Wikipedia Sources!
Shakafazoodle
Elon Musk is a PoS imo, doesn't have any original ideas, he just has the money to sink into them and his engineers are basically slaves 1/2
Shakafazoodle
2/2 his spacex engineers are on salary fresh out of college working 80 hour weeks, they have some of the highest engineering turn around
wjdzm
Sources: wikipedia. Lmfao
myusernameisfrankdrebin
Donald Trump should be in jail for asking his supporters to murder Hillary. He is sick. His supporters are sick. He is a DISGRACE to the US
ShoulderTheWheel
Not sure the point of this
aGayFish
Sources: Wikipedia
3rdWardHobo
Musk is smart. His businesses can't fail thanks to billions in government subsidies
Domivla
You know that nearly every of his businesses was on the verge of bankruptcy. Tesla and spacex nearly failed.
TuggSpeedmann
People may or may not even get the Model 3
3rdWardHobo
Tesla and SolarCity have lost billions over the last few years and are only open due to subsidies and over inflated stock price
Caniac
Gotta make sure Gore's portfolio doesn't suffer. After all he does have the highest residential power bill in Tennessee
TimberWolf141
I love the wikipedia links as sources. Someone never went to college.
xninex
Yea true pros know you cite to the cites listed on Wikipedia
gfsdgjnhengirnitjgahre
Shhh don't tell people my secret
Domivla
Elon was raised poor and learned everything himself. He didnt have a small loan of 1 million dollars.
MrMuf
More like 40 million. Trump kept failing every venture he went into so his dad had to bail him out over and over.
SleeperXib
Got a source on that?
MrMuf
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/03/trumps-false-claim-he-built-his-empire-with-a-small-loan-from-his-father/
MrMuf
The URLs were long so I had to put it in 2 messages. Anyway seems like my claim was a bit off. 40 million was low on the estimate.
SleeperXib
Nice! Thx for the info +3
MrMuf
https://www.quora.com/Did-Donald-Trump-inherit-a-lot-of-money-and-then-increase-his-net-worth-at-an-unremarkable-rate
itscoldhere8monthsoftheyear
If Space X hadn't performed exactly as it did when it did, Elon would have been broke. He gambled and almost lost everything.
superafleck
it success proves his vision, no?
itscoldhere8monthsoftheyear
It's the level of risk he takes. It's sink or swim as opposed to a more certain, but incremental approach, that is needed.
Fahargo
He's done that alot. Did it with paypal. Just did it again with Solarcity. no one is happy about that deal
Sarcasticus
Musk is from Africa and can't run for POTUS. Do this with an American billionaire
CorneliusCornwall
Mu ass
OnlyPuns
Tony Stark.
Averagesize
Тоnу Stаrк 2016
MrMuf
Micheal Bloomberg.
Atsuhikoze
Bruce Wayne
superafleck
like michael bloomberg? who was NY city mayor (once as republican. candidt) is worth 10x trump and said trump was a bad businessman?
JaguarOnMtOlympusPlayingALesPaul
But don't we wish he was.
SurvivalNeverGoesOutOfStyle1
None of them have any interest in running for pres.
PleaseAMArelatedtomachining
they are smarter than that
SurvivalNeverGoesOutOfStyle1
So why are we comparing a random rich guy to Donald Trump, who is also rich.
TraitorousTrump3
Hopefully one less psychopathic than Trump
happynessisawarmpotato
Who's that one guy who does that thing and has lots of money?
OttoElGato
Warren buffet
Silliosophical
Can someone with dual (or more) citizenships run for POTUS? Assuming they were born in the U.S.? I'm 'merican & I have no idea!
Rishneel15
Im pretty sure you can but im sure anyone running would give up the other one so they dont appear "unamerican"
TheGammaRae
Might have to renounce your other citizenship first? Should be able to though.
IgotAnalWarts
Obama is from somewhere
crowey92
bat wayne
crowey92
i mean bruce man
crowey92
......shit
dicktater12
Bill Gates
apolloin
Bill is too busy effecting real change in the world to take a job where he's just a figurehead.
vevamper
Nailed it.
SchitzzPoppinov
One man creating ONLY 22k jobs?!? * scoff*
Riddiculous
Greatest jobs president that God ever created
MrMuf
Oh I don't know, How about FDR with his public works projects, the New Deal, etc.
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
Yeah but now his son is running it into the ground and we're mad at him, but he won't stop running for president.
picturefan73
I doubt trump is still worth that much a billionaire would not start a scam university
StandardDeviant
He loved the idea of young people idolizing him in classrooms. He's a textbook narcissist.
Billpo
I don't he had anything to do with that other than licensing his name.
1metalnation
He had executive control taken from him in numerous businesses because he's such shit at running a company
MydeslyxiasFunnyToMe
Lol, he just loves screwing people out of money
picturefan73
Yeah I mean how could a blue coller person support him knowing that they are his favorite demographic to screw over
MydeslyxiasFunnyToMe
Idk. He's tax plan is now being critized for only helping the upper classes. But look up "southern strategy" that explains some of it
Renza0
Simple, people are fucking stupid, doing remedial research is considered difficult, and people believe "trickle down economy" is real.
picturefan73
I mean a straight tax would not work what you do is put a cap on difrent write offs they don't help a lot lower earners anyway
Renza0
a low flat tax with zero loop holes - especially on the corporate level, could potentially work pretty well for the non rich and the country
picturefan73
Because you have to itemized tax returns what a lot of billionaires do is put there wealth into charities
SurvivalNeverGoesOutOfStyle1
Why are we comparing these two ?
DontTreadOnBear
Trump is a total failure. Any privileged person could turn $1M into $4.5B, hell it should be even more.
Ironblitz
if i had to guess, Trump is trying to gain presidency on an exemplary businessman ticket, while a good businessman has him outclassed always
SurvivalNeverGoesOutOfStyle1
Why would a successful business man want to be the president?
Ironblitz
how does for poops an giggles grab ya?
BurritoParty
No one truly compares to Orange Hitler.
dembonz00
Trump isn't Hitler. Hillary is Hitler. Trump is Mussolini.
SurvivalNeverGoesOutOfStyle1
zPapa
How
chupacabraattack
Stop downplaying the terrible shit Hitler did. Seriously. Fucking stop it asshole.
MerToo
Right now we can only compare him to "Hitler in ~1932". Trump has another 7 years to out-terrible-shit Adolf...& this time there's nukes...
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
Before coming to power Adolf Hitler wrote a book detailing his world view and calling for genocide in Eastern Europe
MerToo
Yeah, and unlike most of the keyboard-commando know-it-alls who like to make wildly inaccurate faux-sage comments, I have actually read it.
px04
There's definitely an asshole involved here, I'll give you that
Movietimeme
Not sure it's a down play. I think giving the opportunity he would be just as bad.
SurvivalNeverGoesOutOfStyle1
Who's "he" and who is he giving the opportunity to?
MerToo
*I think [that], given the opportunity, [Trump] would be just as bad.
CornCobMcGee
They're rich
blonx
To talk shit on Trump
Nalianna
Really, you dont need to make comparisons, to talk shit on Trump. Practically does it for you - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI
SleeperXib
Both of these things are true
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
comparing a successful businessman with a "successful businessman"
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
If you employ 20000 people and are worth over 4 billion, you're a successful businessman.
AngryVe
Not if you could have taken the same money and invested it in an etf over the same time period to make more money. The NPV would be negative
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
Depends, how many times do you have to declare bankruptcy and walk away from massive debt before you aren't successful?
Billpo
I don't think he has ever declared bankruptcy. Some of his business may have, but there's a reason corporations exist.
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
Yeah exactly
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
No he hasn't, he has written off a lot of personal liability going chapter 11 on some businesses, it was just less than the total.
1metalnation
He's filed bankruptcy with 4 of his businesses, however MANY more businesses he's started just closed their doors and disappeared
aDefenseless9yearOldGirl
If 1 out of 50 of your businesses goes bankrupt you're doing great.
MydeslyxiasFunnyToMe
It's super great to put others out of business because you refuse to pay your debts! What a great guy for America! http://i.imgur.com/OCrnjy
1metalnation
Trump Casinos, University, wine, Airlines, Casinos again, TV, and has had executive control of the vast majority of his companies taken away
TraitorousTrump3
But Trump is about 1 out of 2.
MydeslyxiasFunnyToMe
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
perhaps i should rephrase, if the personal liability Trump avoided by declaring bankruptcy was still payable, he would be far poorer
noobwarlock
Donald Trump has never declared bankruptcy a single time. Not once. Nada. Zilch. Look up personal bankruptcy.
juicyjuiced
Read Elon's biography. He had a couple of failed businesses
DRVerstenbad
It's a great book! So glad I read it!
lipbalmm
This is true but, shhhhhh.. if anyone if dumb enough to get their facts from imgur, let them make an ass out of themselves
plzwhateverisokforme
He is also very good at taking for himself other's success. He is the new Steve Jobs.
Chronicle
How do you figure? I'm not trying to be accusatory, I'd just like to hear your opinion.
plzwhateverisokforme
Our TV show tend not to be sponsored by their subject. We had the hypocrit side of him showed. How he stole the electric design car for ex.
LannistersSendTheirRetards
Definitely interested
jtb1313
Well his first business failed because you have to be 18 to sign a lease
whooterstooters
Bet he brags about what a suave business move that was
Xyzair
Haha, what a newb.
Sticklebrickk
The lines so thin we can't see it.
superafleck
fail is a relative term. bankruptcy should be a better way to measure
Abecx
Why do we view bankruptcy as failure? It's simply another tool people use to succeed.
LvAllen
As a condition of each bankruptcy, Trump lost ownership and control of each of the companies. THAT is a measure of failure.
AVaguePancake
Like his illegal nightclub... God the guy is like an 80s sitcom. Love it
cassiewithaie123
Yeah Tesla Gigafactory 2 in Buffalo isnt doing well. They hire and fire. Worked there for a month and they laid me off, was planned.
BlueishGreenWeber
Quite a few. Including spaceX and tesla. With that being said....the dudes amaze-balls.
rock2121
If you think Space x and Tesla are failed companies, you are not a very smart person.
BlueishGreenWeber
Sorry, didn't mean failed, my bad. I meant they were near bankruptcy, he has had his failures and used them to propel him to where he is now
Kamipulu
How are SpaceX and Tesla failed? The research alone from those companies are years ahead
Tamaska
Both of those companies were near failing at one point.. They are both successful now of course
BlueishGreenWeber
Thank you. That was what I was implying.
Comradesjeltonarmy
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TraitorousTrump3
You're a fucking moron.
BlueishGreenWeber
Wow, sorry, I didn't mean failed and eliminated, my bad. I meant they both almost didn't make it to where they were right now.
Manaslu
Now now, name calling doesn't get your point across
TraitorousTrump3
Irrational arguments get dealt with irrationally.
somerandomskeptic
I mean if the point is him being a moron. Calling him a moron is the only way to get it across
BlueishGreenWeber
Wow, sorry guys, was trying to point that his successes almost were the end of him. It's difficult to convey that message is 140 characters
somerandomskeptic
Im sure i read somewhere that solar city is a money sink and runing out of funding.
FrustratedBluffing
As was pay pal at first, musk just tends to throw money at a business until it finds its feet. I hope they all work out because they're cool
LvAllen
Tesla, losing 1.3 billion every two years, bought SolarCity, which was only losing 1.2 billion every two years.
StandardDeviant
So we're SpaceX and Tesla, IIRC.
GlitterInTheDarkNearTheTannhauserGate
He just bought it, shouldn't be on that graph tbh
cassiewithaie123
I worked there and can confirm its dying
MydeslyxiasFunnyToMe
Any bankruptcies?
LamarTheHeadhumper
Not after PayPal
Nomtombouts
The chart said failed businesses
Thirdy
Neither Tesla, nor SapceX did every made any profit. That's modern business, funded by others and investing everything you got. Still succes
poronkusemania
He came very close with Tesla when it first started with the Roadster but luckily he was able to get some last minute funding from an
StandardDeviant
Pretty much same with SpaceX. He was one failed rocket launch away from bankruptcy at one point.
battery1979
I almost imagine that's pretty common for private space exploration though.
Samja192
Yea the investment in having the rocket work first try must be astronomical.. and there is zero return if it doesnt work
Nobody7713
Part of his style is that all his endeavours start out riding the line of failure before they take off.
poronkusemania
Indeed. I forgot about that one.
poronkusemania
investor if I recall correctly.
jmeyers1983
His stake in Solar City also saved his ass
IHateyouIfyouremoreattractivethanme
NASA investing in SpaceX for their third and first successful rocket or something like that.
saacky
Close, but no
MydeslyxiasFunnyToMe
Great, so he pays his debts. Unlike Trump
GigaBoom2
Elon is a Lannister
dastrok
Well other people bailed him out...
NoobOfEngland
Don't bother arguing, imgur is more anti-trump than a black lives matter meeting. (Incoming downvotes)
onehapphysalmon
Don't care. At least Donald doesn't have dead people in his wake like Hillary
BluBoxx
Dead people? You mean like every Secretary of State in the past 50 years does because congress perpetually denies security funding to DoS? 1
DontTreadOnBear
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4ucxpy/the_dnc_is_a_terrible_group_juiciest_leaks_so_far/
BluBoxx
Why don't you go complain about the over 100 diplomats, staff, and passerbys killed in embassy attacks under Reagan and Bush? 2/2
hereforthegoodies
At this point what difference does it make? Hillary probably
LazloBasement
And I don't have super bowl loss like Cam Newton. Probably because I've never been in a position to and would fail even worse if I did.
hereforthegoodies
In all fairness cam did act like a little bitch after the loss. Go back and watch the post game interviews
LazloBasement
How do you think "nobody's ever said 'no' to me" Trump will behave? Rus, China, etc are salivating at the thought of having him at the table
hereforthegoodies
With out America China and lots of other countries would fold. But glad to see you think trump is gonna win make America great again!!
LazloBasement
Is the concept of gaining favorable trade through global influence / alliances a bit difficult for you?
Caniac
they ♥ HRC http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html
LazloBasement
I guess every military commander that has lost soldiers have "dead people in (their) wake"?
aflarge
Well technically they do(which is why that job is not for just anyone), but it's typically in a VERY different context.
aflarge
And context is the source of all meaning.
LazloBasement
I'll take someone who's made those decisions and got them wrong over someone who's most relevant experience is a game of Risk.
LazloBasement
"That job is not for just anyone." Kinda sums up how dangerously unqualified and/or prepared Trump is for Commander-in-chief.
aflarge
Blowhard vs Corporate Puppet