Apparently millions of women are convinced her husband is the actually murderer and refuse to believe the trial is real. I sometimes wish I was incapable of learning things.
Im not saying insanity isnt a plausible argument but 3 children were strangled to death. And there needs to be repercussions for that. We cant just..... ooopsie 3 lives and walk away.
She needs help clearly, and i hope she gets it. But i gotta admit.... i dont think she will ever be sane after killing 3 kids. And her own at that. That seems like.... a hole you dont come back from.
No one, not even her, is disputing that. With an insanity defense the only dispute is if a prison or an institution is the most fitting place to lock her up.
I don't get how so many people are acting like she would have walked free if her defense had "won"
My main takeaway from this has been that all of this woman's online critics seem to skip right over the question of whether her condition should be a valid legal defense. Instead, they go straight to denying that her condition is real and just generally being misogynistic.
Maybe (probably) I'm looking in the wrong place, but I haven't seen anyone saying "as horrible as her experience is, it shouldn't absolve her." Just "haha, women love killing children, mental health isn't real."
Maybe you don't hear that cause it isn't an absolution.
Insanity defense are not get out jail free cards and in some situation the person end up institutionalized far longer than any jail sentence because there is no term to it.
You get commited to a hospitals card until a medical professional deems you safe to be in the community.
As horrible as her condition is, it shouldn't absolve her. She had major depressive disorder, not post partum depression or post partum psychosis. She didn't want to try different meds for anxiety. She didn't check herself into in patient treatment on a few occasions where it was offered. Why'd they go with the post partum psychosis defense? Andrea Yates. Yates was found not guilty by reason of insanity during the retrial and is institutionalized to this day.
That’s the deal you make with insanity pleas- you get out of the jail, but you do mental health treatment per the court order until the court is satisfied. Which is fair- if you’re insane enough to do it once, you need to be treated to protect others. Often the insanity plea will be a linger term, cuz what doctor is gonna certify you as not a threat anymore?
Welp. Yates' is also severely mentally ill. In no uncertain terms was she competent. The husband and mother were told to never leave her alone with the children. They did, and the kids died. It's horrific and sad, but if anyone deserves absolution, it's her.
It's worth noting an insanity defense isn't absolution. It's in many way no different than pleading guilty and can lead to longer incarceration than a guilty plea in cases of severe mental illness.
Remember kids, no matter how bad your life gets, no matter how stupid you feel, no matter what goes wrong, you're still better than the kind of loser who defaults to this moronic response.
Here's the thing: she was never going to walk away free from any of this. If they had found her competent and convicted her she would have gone to prison. If they had found her not guilty by reason of insanity she would have been locked up in a mental institution for the criminally insane. Either way she would be locked away and do serious time for her crime, not given a slap on the wrist and let go.
NOBODY is handing out free passes to murder people just because you're temporarily insane.
Sulexar
Apparently millions of women are convinced her husband is the actually murderer and refuse to believe the trial is real. I sometimes wish I was incapable of learning things.
alexpatt665
I was no better at pointing finger like many did, at the end of the day, she has to live with it
duktayp
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duktayp
Starring Jared Leto as lone holdout
IHaveAGuyForEverything
With Zendaya as every other juror.
CJAW
IT'S HOLDIN' TIME
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
Im not saying insanity isnt a plausible argument but 3 children were strangled to death. And there needs to be repercussions for that. We cant just..... ooopsie 3 lives and walk away.
mrthewhitee
In an insanity defense the repercussions are typically institutionalization for a very very long time.
If the jury had reached a verdict she would have been locked up no matter what they came back with.
This is literally the only scenario where she might walk away but she still hasn't walked away because mistrial means she can be tried again.
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
She needs help clearly, and i hope she gets it. But i gotta admit.... i dont think she will ever be sane after killing 3 kids. And her own at that. That seems like.... a hole you dont come back from.
lightfoot2
Well, she killed three kids. As horrible as her experience may have been, she killed three kids.
mrthewhitee
No one, not even her, is disputing that. With an insanity defense the only dispute is if a prison or an institution is the most fitting place to lock her up.
I don't get how so many people are acting like she would have walked free if her defense had "won"
She would have gotten locked up regardless.
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
It’s because nobody understands how anything works and they don’t actually want to. They want to fart outrage instead.
BenjyX55
My main takeaway from this has been that all of this woman's online critics seem to skip right over the question of whether her condition should be a valid legal defense. Instead, they go straight to denying that her condition is real and just generally being misogynistic.
Maybe (probably) I'm looking in the wrong place, but I haven't seen anyone saying "as horrible as her experience is, it shouldn't absolve her." Just "haha, women love killing children, mental health isn't real."
mrthewhitee
Maybe you don't hear that cause it isn't an absolution.
Insanity defense are not get out jail free cards and in some situation the person end up institutionalized far longer than any jail sentence because there is no term to it.
You get commited to a hospitals card until a medical professional deems you safe to be in the community.
IgnisInvictus
As horrible as her condition is, it shouldn't absolve her. She had major depressive disorder, not post partum depression or post partum psychosis. She didn't want to try different meds for anxiety. She didn't check herself into in patient treatment on a few occasions where it was offered. Why'd they go with the post partum psychosis defense? Andrea Yates. Yates was found not guilty by reason of insanity during the retrial and is institutionalized to this day.
Mec26
That’s the deal you make with insanity pleas- you get out of the jail, but you do mental health treatment per the court order until the court is satisfied. Which is fair- if you’re insane enough to do it once, you need to be treated to protect others. Often the insanity plea will be a linger term, cuz what doctor is gonna certify you as not a threat anymore?
IgnisInvictus
Welp. Yates' is also severely mentally ill. In no uncertain terms was she competent. The husband and mother were told to never leave her alone with the children. They did, and the kids died. It's horrific and sad, but if anyone deserves absolution, it's her.
mrthewhitee
It's worth noting an insanity defense isn't absolution. It's in many way no different than pleading guilty and can lead to longer incarceration than a guilty plea in cases of severe mental illness.
cambriago13
She not going to fuck you, lone jury asshole.
Sulexar
Remember kids, no matter how bad your life gets, no matter how stupid you feel, no matter what goes wrong, you're still better than the kind of loser who defaults to this moronic response.
DonkeyGoat
It sounds like the lone holdout was against her
cambriago13
What?!
cambriago13
Sooo dumb. I thought for certain she was a lock for conviction.
Mec26
If the question was did she do it, sure. The question was is/was she sane.
CrisprCAS
Even the holdout said that they have doubts, but refused to follow the law.
DocFunkenstein
As it should have been.
"Oh, my head wasn't in the right place, so murdering some kids is totally fine. Look, I'm sad now, and am paralyzed because of it. Boohoo, poor me!"
What the fuck ever.
DocFunkenstein
The people downvoting are making me sad.
Good to know you agree that I should be allowed to murder you in cold blood because of it.
Sulexar
Crying about downvotes gets you more downvotes.
DocFunkenstein
I'm not crying about them. It's you idiots voicing a moronic opinion. Which makes me very, very sad. Hooray, I'm free!
SquirrelWithATophat
Here's the thing: she was never going to walk away free from any of this. If they had found her competent and convicted her she would have gone to prison. If they had found her not guilty by reason of insanity she would have been locked up in a mental institution for the criminally insane. Either way she would be locked away and do serious time for her crime, not given a slap on the wrist and let go.
NOBODY is handing out free passes to murder people just because you're temporarily insane.
DocFunkenstein
Whatever you fucking say.