SankariSuomi
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Source: https://graphics.wsj.com/infectious-diseases-and-vaccines/
Nov 16, 2024 4:39 AM
SankariSuomi
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1482
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Source: https://graphics.wsj.com/infectious-diseases-and-vaccines/
londonosierra2000
Who cares about science when you have religion, who cares about evidence when you have Trump.
lonelyrangerofthedreams
Great! Now let’s ban them -USA government-
stonecoldstevebuschemi
I'm waiting for the day when a politician (like RFK Jr) straight up declares science is not important. I don't mean a vague allusion, I mean a straight declarative denial of science itself. In this timeline, trust me it's coming.
aThingWithAKeyboard
Facts don't matter. RFK is insane and vapid.
ChazzK
I like how Whooping Cough doesn't even have a line because it' sjust so perfectly obvious.
Stefnos
show us the 2010+'s .... come on ^^
finesherbes
Clowns will say it's all just lies, but the number of doctors and nurses insurance employees and families and schools that would have to lie all together to fake data like this.... We would have solved all our problems if we could coordinate en masse like they think we can
IamtheAIyoushouldfear
It's not about the vaccines! It's a smokescreen to mask the other things like abortion pills
dghughes
I've seen them before the maps are fascinating. Everyone should see them. It really shows the effectiveness of a vaccine. It also shows even with it some took a deades to be controlled. It's from project Tycho at tycho.pitt.ed.
georgejimmydoodle
Republicans aren't allowed to believe anything not from the lips of Dear Leader.
wabitgirl
Sure do love seeing whooping cough go from non-existent to being present again. I hope you choke on your own fucking tongue and die in misery, alone, scared, and helpless, Andrew Wakefield. I hope you fucking burn in hell, you unspeakable piece of shit. The damage you have done to our global society is immeasurable and there is not a punishment harsh enough for the abject fucking anti-humanitarian, anti-scientific heresy that your bitch ass has proffered.
smokeyfantastico
Man if only Pubs could read and have critical thinking skills
michaeloberg
Vaccines are probably the greatest human invention
varonicaED
Well they're going to have to break out the coloured pens again because that's where the US is heading!
TheLastGreatAudit
Don't worry, they'll get that fixed right up and back to business as per the historical norm here soon.
rubypilgrim
There's another way to show anti-vaxxers this information. Take them on a picnic to an older cemetery, one that dates back at least to the 1930's. Take them to the children's section. Before vaccines, lots of tombstones. After, dramatically fewer.
dogdayafternoon13
Vaccines and people living longer. Who would have thought
Frederf
I recall S. America simply stopped having the flu one year because of Covid measures. Not reduced, no flu.
NVGoddesscottage
The US totally eliminated one strain from our annual flu shot. I vote for three months off in winter.
Harbltron
If people made decisions based on scientific data we wouldn't have an anti-vax problem in the first place, folks.
Stop trying to reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into.
karlfrack
Brainworms will fix it all!
GreenMnM
Fuck it. Let the population sink or swim on its own. I'm too tired to care. I'll fight later
helveticar
Does no one understand how the republican mindset works? They know vaccines work. And so does the pharmaceutical industry. While the industry can make a lot of money with vaccines, they can make a looooot more with sick people. Vaccines make people healthy. Healthy people aren't good for the big pharma and healthcare industry. There is no "convincing" of republicans, they're puppets of their corporate overlords, the only thing they care about is the profit margins.
lebanks
That's how drug dealers make their money, on the comeback.
HeShallKnowYourWaysAsIfBornToThem
That's a damning indictment of hundreds of thousands of people that work in pharma. I'd say quite unfairly so.
Ajediday
I thought it was more of "If you are for something, we must be against it"
ThisNameIsMaybeTaken
I struggle to believe that execs would go against vaccines we already have just to profit off of sickness. Sure, there's the cure vs symptom treatment argument, but there's no need to invent more problems. It'd be bad for shareholders, too.
LordBenTen
I know how the Republican mindset works!
“There is no question whether or not vaccines work. People are opposed to vaccines because they decrease the advantage they have over other people by being healthy. This is regardless of whether they are healthy due to lifestyle choices, genetic predisposition, or even simply their location in a rural area that reduces their chance of being exposed to the illness.”
psmith00
simple empirical facts, simply presented and open to total and complete misinterpretation by the Repugnican Conspiracy machine.
LordBenTen
“There is no question whether or not vaccines work. People are opposed to vaccines because they decrease the advantage they have over other people by being healthy. This is regardless of whether they are healthy due to lifestyle choices, genetic predisposition, or even simply their location in a rural area that reduces their chance of being exposed to the illness.”
psmith00
who was that a quote from?
akah0mer
You forgot the chart for stupidity.
AbhainnFuil
Any drug has side effects which effect some people more than others so questions about safety are valid, but denying they are effective is just denying reality.
LordBenTen
“There is no question whether or not vaccines work. People are opposed to vaccines because they decrease the advantage they have over other people by being healthy. This is regardless of whether they are healthy due to lifestyle choices, genetic predisposition, or even simply their location in a rural area that reduces their chance of being exposed to the illness.”
LordBenTen
So in the mindset of someone opposed to vaccines, why would they support something that reduces their advantage when other people are vaccinated, AND might reduce their advantage even further by having side effects.
ps238principal
I hope someone shows this to RFK Jr. In the face. Taped to a chair.
ttm2
why would we do that when he's on an electric chair?
KoalaOnTheJuice
You can lead a Trumper to evidence, but you cannot make him think.
LordBenTen
“There is no question whether or not vaccines work. People are opposed to vaccines because they decrease the advantage they have over other people by being healthy. This is regardless of whether they are healthy due to lifestyle choices, genetic predisposition, or even simply their location in a rural area that reduces their chance of being exposed to the illness.”
medimr
Guaranteed he knows this already. Either he's a true believer, and literally any piece of information can be worked into the unhinged conspiracy...or he's a grifter, and he simply doesn't give a shit so long as there are rubes to fleece.
Raeilgunne
He's a believer, i think. He's too impassioned about it, and besides the pseudoscience horseshit he also wants stem cell research and psychoactive substance therapy, which is the opposite of what the Christian grifters want.
medimr
That's the impression I get, too. But I can never bring myself to underestimate the depths people will descend to for money/notoriety.
flacoloco
the worm wont be able to read that.
CaldariBob
The worm understands. The worm wants the world to burn.
TheCriticsWereConciseItOnlyTookFourLines
The worm already died. But I'd still give it a better show of understanding than Jr.
qroniq14
Damn that polio was really getting out of hand. If I’m reading that chart correctly, it would have been very bad for humans had we not developed a vaccine. Fun fact, when they did start administering the vax, my mother says at school all the kids lined up at recess in the hall and the docs walked down the line, jab, jab, jab. No bs, just get all these kids vaxxed ASAP!
ScarletEmerald
Ever heard the story of Mr Frump, the guy that lived in an iron lung? He always had interesting things to say.
joinha
the last human to die of Variola was an WHO vaccination worker. Damn bug went out fighting.
Comet2060
My dad had polio in the 1950s and spent a year in an iron lung. The world does not need to go back to that.
Blanks56
My dad is from a small town and said the town picked a central location to meetup and vax'd every single kid in one weekend.
rlrobles5
My mom had polio as a child. I am glad she is not alive to see such idiocy. On the other hand, if she were still here she would give RFK, Jr a good paddling and wash his mouth out with soap.
azgrak
My parents were born in the mid 40’s, they have lots of stories of deceased siblings and relatives. Everyone knew of high infant mortality rates. And it’s why so many people didn’t complain about vaccinations, they went to baby funerals. I hope we don’t go back to it. But 70 million maga idiots voted to go backwards in time.
TurkeySando
My parents too. They really struggled to understand how anyone their age could be an antivaxxer when you’d seen polio first hand.
qroniq14
My mom says the same thing about anti vaxxers her age.
magus200342
My grandma is the same. Absolutely furious with her ex husband and allot of her church peopkes because they went antivaxx.
theresgoldinthemtherehills
There was no bullshit about it in the 70’s. You got jabs in class and they came back to give a booster. Nobody bitched about it, it was just part of life.
ActionJohnnie
Pepperidge Farm was vaccinated this way.
NotSomoneElse68
I remember getting a TB tine test in class every year.
Hengabecka
My grandmother, who was born in the 1920s when the vaccine wasn't available, contracted polio as a young child and was permanently disabled by it. Lucky to survive it at all. We had a living example in my own family, of what we would prefer to avoid and the simple, almost miraculous, benefit of innoculation. Some people have just forgotten how many people used to die from preventable diseases.
jayman0123
It was "their American duty" back then. Now American doody is how we explain a large % of the population
CanisDirusTV
Now too many people are "Me Me Me Me". We live in a society. Not off the fucking grid.
Type17
I think the difference between polio and the other diseases was that many polio survivors stood out in society (limping, callipers, wheelchairs), whereas other survivors didn’t look so different from the general population, so it was much more feared than some other diseases.
DorgEndo
If only the ignorants knew of post-polio syndrome. A fair chunk of our elders are quietly having this happen even if they had initially come out rather well from polio in their youth. Only now getting the muscle atrophy, breathing problems, and other polio affects
TheSilverSeraph
This is just "empirical evidence" from "elite experts" /s
In other words, it won't make a lick of difference to RFK Jr and those who think like him. Their "feeling" about vaccines is much more important.
Heaven help the USA if he is actually confirmed into a cabinet position
highisophotography
Look- as long as they keep offering vaccines then I’m fine. Let RFK and the right push anti-vaccine on their constituents and it won’t be long till they are no longer an issue 🤷🏻♂️
idiotsonfire
I honestly want them to resort to only homeopathic cures, that means we'll be rid of them in a few years.
Helixninja333
Con artists tend to take existing problems and spin it around to sell their products. Does the FDA have problems? Sure. Does the guy pushing ivermectin have the solution? No, he doesn't have solutions, he has ivermectin to sell.
HalleySHDW
It's what we call natural selection. It will reduce the uneducated dumb population giving inteligence a new chance.
ronnyhugo
I find it highly ironic that kids have to protect their parents from getting lured into becoming radicalized by fake AI clickbait on the internet, given how much hoopla the parents caused about "people on the internet".
rlrobles5
It will make travel more difficult to civilized countries.
PineappleLoopsBroether
We’re all fucked now… Trump is gonna dismantle all our protections and kill us in round 1 …. There’s no fucking escape this time, we’re totally dead 💀 fucked
dataengineer
he will be you know.
LordBenTen
There is no question whether or not vaccines work. People are opposed to vaccines because they decrease the advantage they have over other people by being healthy. This is regardless of whether they are healthy due to lifestyle choices, genetic predisposition, or even simply their location in a rural area that reduces their chance of being exposed to the illness.
LordBenTen
So in the mindset of someone opposed to vaccines, why would they support something that reduces their advantage when other people are vaccinated, AND might reduce their advantage even further by having side effects.
LordBenTen
The great divide between conservatives and liberals can all be boiled down to whether or not our technology should be included in ‘survival of the fittest.’
noWhiteHorseHereJustBatturuPrinsu
Silver lining: if vaccines are optional a lot of trump supporters will die because they choose not to take the vaccine, this would make future elections more hopeful. Sadly a lot of innocent people that can't take vaccines because of health issues will suffer and/ordie as well...
VodkaReindeer
You can't be a Trump supporter when you're a child.
petpet3d
Ah, but if you die from measles then you won't be a future trump supporter
LastOnTheBall
I'm sure there are republican representatives who are heavily backed by big pharma that will want to have something to say about this. It's an unintuitive but possible silver lining.
wetqueef
Agree
SteveTheEgg
No, they'll be ecstatic that he slashes all the regulation and testing requirements so they can sell snake oil that costs far less to produce than real meds, but will be sold at the same cost as meds now.
Shaodyn
Facts can't get someone out of a position that facts didn't get them into. And that's why most conservatives can't be reasoned with. The facts never mattered to them.
idiotsonfire
All conservatives are bullies. They're all the friendless, loser bully who failed grades multiple times and wondered why nobody liked them.
Shaodyn
Considering how their entire focus seems to be making life worse for everyone but themselves, that feels pretty accurate.
plutonium
Easy, the rest of the world starts requiring vaccination certificates and health visas for everyone who's even been to the US.
Icheckalltheusernames
The problem there is that too many Americans think that "America is the best and every other country sucks", so they'll never leave America anyways. It's a selfish, close-minded way of thinking, but the reality is that it IS how too many Americans think.
Vamp13
most americans have a hard time counting to 3 when they visit the doctor for a checkup, trust me the world isnt missing much if they just sit on their island.
samwyze
Check up? The hell is that?
NightOwlRally
Or just be like Australia when they were like "everyone but Candace Owens is invited to the barbie."
KrondorMocker