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trout007
Oh wait public schools and universities were started by the Catholic Church as well.
BurntWaffleCat
Well... Trump is all about walls. Maybe there's a chance?... N... No, not really...
Melanisia
Not with Pence as VP.
bryanew710
That's not quite correct: the point was that the State would not enforce a national religion, not that religion would/could not be discussed
DamnedAustin
Discussed? sure. Endorsed? not so much.
soulsource
That was one side of the coin. The other was to prevent religion from influencing laws. Look at Iran to see what happens in such a case.
trout007
Except Science was born and nurtured by the Catholic Church for thousands of years.
AppleJuice42
Yeah during the dark ages... wait
trout007
Actuall yes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University
overcookedchickennugget
Lol. - Galileo
trout007
Still believe that hoax? Galileo was a political prisoner like Snowden or Manning.
Kerrisimo
They even believe in evolution now...just in case.
trout007
They just invented the University and Hospital.
qoppaphi
Yeah, like that time Galileo ... oh, right.
trout007
Still believe that hoax? Galileo was in trouble for politics not science.
alymac
eh? He was accused of heresy for supporting Copernican theory. Twice.
trout007
Was Copernicus in trouble with the Church?
alymac
No. The catholic church initially accepted his publication, only to ban it 80 years later.
DontLookAtMeIJustWorkHere
Yeah, let's keep widening the divide between science and religion! That hasn't been a stupid fucking idea since forever.
qoppaphi
Keep widening it until religion is out of view.
DamnedAustin
Science is objective. If the gap is to be narrowed, religion needs to change.
DontLookAtMeIJustWorkHere
Science is just foing to religion what religion did to science back in the times of the early Catholic church and it's still bad for both.
DamnedAustin
The difference is that science is based on the observable world, and changes as new discoveries are made. Religion is, by it's nature, (1)
DamnedAustin
dogmatic. Religion only changes because, with science, it suddenly becomes ridiculous to take religious miracles as fact. (2/2)
DontLookAtMeIJustWorkHere
They're looking for the same answers and furthering this idea that religion and science are mutually exclusive is stupid and detrimental.
DamnedAustin
Religion does a very poor job of explaining how things happen, which is a job for science. They're not looking for the same answers.
DontLookAtMeIJustWorkHere
You're confusing different methods with different goals. They both seek to understand the world, they're just starting from different ends.
DamnedAustin
The difference is that science doesn't pretend to know. Take evolution, for example. Historically, religion said that evolution didn't (1)
DamnedAustin
that evolution might exist, and that it's just God's method of creation. Religious leaders had to re-write how God operates when it (3)
DamnedAustin
to be fables that we can learn from instead of being historical truth, when the opposite was thought to be true for most of the existence(5)
DamnedAustin
of religion. The ultimate goal of science is a pursuit of the truth. The ultimate goal of religion is not. (6/6)
DamnedAustin
exist because it would be counter to the belief that God created everything perfectly. It's not until VERY recently that religion said (2)
DamnedAustin
became less and less acceptable to cling to the religious answer in the face of science. Suddenly, all the stories in the Bible are meant(4)