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When I argue politics with my dad
Mar 20, 2019 9:21 PM
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InfocalypseRising
I'm quite sure none of the people who do this even know, understand, or care what socialism is.
CrossBetween
Full-blown both socialism and capitalism are bad. It’s about balance. Great social services can co-exist with capitalism -> happy people.
schueyWrecker
Understand the sentiment, but capitalists will always try to take over socialist values. It’s in the nature. Wish there was a balance. Socialism can and will exist with some stratification, but capitalism inherently wants a small class with all the wealth based on withholding from workers earnings and what is produced (cut the bottom for the top). This is different than business under socialism, where workers are due their fair share of the GDP.
kakize
It's what foxnews has been programming into its cult for the last few years. Now that just calling someone a liberal isn't working anymore.
InfocalypseRising
Isn't it? I still see that getting slung around like it's a dirty word plenty.
Voivodathe11th
This nonsense again. lol. Social programs are not socialism. However they are tools the socialist use to get large groups dependent on 1/
Voivodathe11th
The Gov. Because that helps them get votes. Same reason they are pro mass migration of poor and poorly educated and also why they want the 2
Voivodathe11th
Electoral process eliminates and age of voting lowered. They want to be able to enforce mob rule because it's in their favor now. 3/3
playstation360
That's why there's a right and wrong way to implement social programs.
zykotec
This is still brilliant, but I have to admit smaller countries are hella much easier to govern than huge countries.
playstation360
Weren't the States supposed to be like small countries with a small federal government to oversee interstate affairs?
gabewells903
Yeah in the beginning the founding fathers wanted a sort of political market place where you could move to a state that suit your fancy
zykotec
That was probably the idea iirc. Didn't work out quite as planned I guess.
Jyvguy
Especially when Uncle Sam provides their national defense.
playstation360
Defence for NATO is only meant to be about 2% of the budget iirc.
playstation360
*of GDP, now that I looked that up.
Jyvguy
Do you think 2% of any Nordic country's GDP could stop a Russian invasion?
playstation360
Norway, Sweden, and Denmark combined pretty much match Russia. France, Germany, UK, etc. each outperform Russia a few fold.
GameKeeper3001
They also nationalized their natural gas production to pay for those policies
playstation360
Good idea.
Voivodathe11th
Lol, it sure worked for Venezuela.
haileyquinnade
playstation360
As long as you don't go full socialist dictator, it's just fine. Remembering that the resources of the land belong to the people is fine.
playstation360
So, less Russia and more Alaska.
GameKeeper3001
Norway still runs it like a business. Chavez and Maduro put their friends in charge. Also I’m not advocating this just pointing it out.
ballbagmcginley
Being sanctioned to shit doesn't really help either
flarflarf
no, but it did work for Norway
Voivodathe11th
A country of 10mil
playstation360
Seriously, why does that matter?
flarflarf
there's differences everywhere. Nowhere is the same as anywhere, but that doesn't mean you can't learn from them.
barnsandnobel
What does the population have to do with anything?
JustaDikDiktobeaDikDik
The US doesnt need to be full on socialist, but some of the ideas can be adopted. Its all about happy mediums.
Voivodathe11th
How can you have a happy medium between two diametrically opposed economic systems?
justherefortheshitposting
Sunshine, every functional country on Earth runs on a mixed economy with both market and command aspects.
JustaDikDiktobeaDikDik
Figure out what each side wants and find the middle. Abortions for example, Rs want none and Ds want up to 40wks, so no aborts after 20wks.
JustaDikDiktobeaDikDik
Done. Next.
flarflarf
Ask ... I don't know ... most of western & northern europe?
Voivodathe11th
All of them have capitalist economies.
flarflarf
this is the point where I point back at the image in the OP and note that it's a documentary.
Voivodathe11th
It's a bs propaganda tool because it ignores what the socialists real intent is with their proposed social programs.
playstation360
Capitalist base layer, with social programs, like most of the developed world.
Voivodathe11th
Social programs are not socialism again.
Purplehands1
You're literally being like the meme now
Voivodathe11th
That's what happens when you take your education on politics from memes and propaganda shows disguised as comedy. Shit like this makes sense
playstation360
Exactly. It's a mixed economy with both private and public ownership of production, without centralized economy control.
Voivodathe11th
So socialism feeding of the money capitalism makes. How many times do we have to see that idea destroy economies before we learn?