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The University of Chicago has sent a letter to incoming students that it will not respect "safe spaces" or "trigger warnings"
Excerpt of the letter:
“Members of our community are encouraged to speak, write, listen, challenge and learn, without fear of censorship. Civility and mutual respect are vital to all of us, and freedom of expression does not mean the freedom to harass or threaten others..."
“Our commitment to academic freedom means that we do not support so called ‘trigger warnings,’ we do not cancel invited speakers because their topics might prove controversial, and we do not condone the creation of intellectual ‘safe spaces’ where individuals can retreat from ideas and perspectives at odds with their own...”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/25/university-of-chicago-to-freshmen-we-do-not-suppor/
ProfessorFlora
trigger warnings are the opposite of censorship, why is this so difficult
irongaz
Who are these snowflakes who can't handle a simple content note (which is all a "trigger warning" is) without crying OMG I'M BEING CENSORED?
reallyunoriginalusername
But, aren't safe spaces places where people can freely express themselves? And trigger warnings simply WARNINGS for heavy content? 1/2
reallyunoriginalusername
I know the internet both exaggerates and mocks these things, but these things aren't censorship as far as I'm aware. They're helpful
RomanGod17
I think it is funny you used de Niro considering he would prob be cool with safe spaces...
supremepooperscooper
de Niro seems like the chillest most accepting dude.
SJohnson23
I am guessing OP picked the gif of the white sociopath who enacts a murderous judgement on the society he can't fit in with for reasons.
Groznek
The specific problem I have with this is what if someone "disagrees" with the very personhood of a trans person, and calls it 'discussion'?
iluvbunbuns
You need to read FoamGladiators comments below.
onehapphysalmon
I don't get what you are trying to say
Groznek
Like, "trans people are mentally ill and should be in hospitals rather than trans acceptance", or refusing to acknowledge a trans person's
onehapphysalmon
Well, I am sorry for that, that sucks.
Groznek
gender they consider themselves to be. I've seen people do that and just label it an opinion up for discussion, with no intention of
Groznek
actually reconsidering their position in any shape or form.
h20fuego
Trigger warnings are actually really important for people with diagnosed PTSD. Obviously tho, it shouldn't be a term used frivolously.
Revolverman1o1
You are aware this a university sized trigger warning, right?
dietderpsy
Now the college motorcycle club can show its true colours
AlwaysTrustTheManInABigWhiteVan
I don't think they will dress as Power Rangers. I think they will dress as these guys:
zezethedragon
Sauce?
LeeroythiaJenkins
Safe spaces at my college meant, okay to talk confidentially, as you would with a counselor...
induren
Oh ffs. There's almost no use of trigger warnings on American campuses. It's much ado about nothing. Safe spaces are more common but Jesus.
getoffmylawnyoupeskykids
I have severe PTSD. When I was in school I met with my professora to disclose this and work around any possible issues. Simple.
JustTheFactsMan
I did that at first, then stopped when I learned firsthand just how much the average college professor despises combat veterans.
gingersnap0408
Omg a million upvotes! THANK YOU!
Splodgey
huh
boywiththehappypenis
TW: a statement at start of piece of writing/video, etc. alerting reader/viewer to fact that it contains potentially distressing material.
thorkild91
The very respectable term has been essentially stolen to be used by people to say oh the word Orange is triggering.But trigger warnings good
venivicivetinari
Who are these "people"? I've never seen one of them and I think it's stupid to bring attention to them.
thorkild91
And you I go to bipolar support groups. You hear loads of bullshit. It's not helpful for anyone. You just might not actively see it
thorkild91
It is when it's harmful it takes away from real terms. I fucked a genderqueer kid for a small bit. Tumblr shit was constantly spewing forth
Irishda
Having gone to a very liberal university, this is just a publicity stunt. Universities have not become "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings."
knrf683
Also went to a liberal university. This is seriously overblown.
AVoiceOfReason
Also, http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/28540/
Irishda
That's fair though. We think and reason in language, and if our language leans on a gender-specific pronoun for inclusiveness...
AVoiceOfReason
No, it's crazy.
Irishda
"I mean if we say people or humanity instead of mankind, it'd be ANARCHY!"
AVoiceOfReason
No, it's crazy. This is what I mean by power. You don't have the power or authority to police my words nor should you have it.
AVoiceOfReason
My sister was kicked out of some class about studying how African Americans have it bad. Basically the teacher said she couldn't do the (1)
AVoiceOfReason
particular assignment and get extra credit with everyone else because she was white and therefore ineligible. The teacher has also (2)
AVoiceOfReason
harassed her and docked points for the smallest things - things other students get away with routinely. It became so bad that (3)
AVoiceOfReason
my sister came home and cried from the stress. There are plenty of horror stories about the immense power people who claim to be (4)
AVoiceOfReason
ultra oppressed have, and how they exercise it against anyone who isn't part of a minority group. It's real, and it happens.
flapperfemmefatale
can confirm. at my super liberal university, the only people bitching were conservative Christians. yet this somehow a problem of liberals
flapperfemmefatale
and my super liberal, i mean that our biggest event of the year was the annual drag ball.
IOnlyPostDogs
Well I can see why they're upset, have you seen what happens with conservative speakers like Ben Shapiro and Milo?
flapperfemmefatale
what the fuck does that have to do with two people i've never even heard of?
flapperfemmefatale
this happened in 2008, before conservative dipshits were bitching about liberals doing what they've been doing for decades.
flapperfemmefatale
two Jesus freaks tried to get a professor fired for saying "Jesus, who claimed to be the Son of God."
KRicci
Also go to a liberal university. Never had any of that stuff here either cause everyone is too busy doing their work for the most part.
MagikLight
Wooo let's be open minded and open to discussion :D
MagikLight
Want to be a feminist? want to discuss women's issues and cultural norms? GOOD! Let's do it without shit slinging!
everythingisalieexceptthestuffthatisnt
"YOU FUCKING SHITLOR- Oh you want rational discussion? No, sorry, this is Abuse. You're looking for three doors down on the left"
audcam
I think that a forum with a 140 character limit on comments isnt the right place to have a serious discussion.
ImgeneralBennet
I usually get my 135 characters of puns in and then have to try to fit my actual thoughts into 5 letters, so probably right
MagikLight
I meant on campus :)
Pommo
Cant wait for the ham planets to protest
CodingMoose
I had to google it :(
RADICALFREEDOM
Magnificent.
JasonD
Cite your sources!
reaper707
Ham beasts is another good one
vinylspear
I have learned more on imgur than all of my years at school. Ham planet, fucking beautiful.
mizmoose
FPH is back again.
IOnlyPostDogs
That subreddit was fun, shame a couple of people had to ruin it for everyone and get it banned.
IhaveTP4Bunghole
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
shouldn't 'triggered' people be diagnosed with PTSD first?
IhaveTP4Bunghole
Yup
Mewmus
calling them ham planets is an insult to pigs. *TRIGGERED*!!!!!!!! :)
FriendlyGuyInWindowlessVan
REEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
analnipple666
+1 ham planets. Fucking love you.
MyFartsHitMyBalls
HAM PLANETS. that's beautiful. Thank you b
Maliceliddell
Thank Milo Yiannopoulos :)
Baconmac1234
I feel like you would enjoy r/fatpeoplestories
idownvoteplottwist
Not saying I have an opinion one way or another, but this kind of strawman doesn't help your case.
flubberfucker
this isn't a strawman, it's just an insult.
Oyarsa
Yeah! This is just an ad hominem attack, get it right!
NeStreets
It's not even ad hominem. Ad hom assumes you're trying to prove your point by attacking someone's character. This is just an insult.
Hullaballoonatic
This. A strawman is a description of an argument, not a description of a human
justasomeone
there are planets made of ham?!?!??!??! when was this discovered?
theshoeminator
Right after we discovered it orbiting around a star made of potato salad
RobOttman
I hope there's also a mashed potato and gravy planet nearby!
Hagge47
Do not tell the muslims.
mksfx
It's too late. They just flew a suicide spaceship into it. RIP spaceham.
Hagge47
NooooooooooooOoOoooooooooooo...........
IdiotMcNoobtard
I believe they prefer the term "American"
scipe
Oddly enough America isn't ranked #1 in obesity. But freedom of speech allows you to pass your judgement. So go forth and feel special.
mynameisnotalice
If I recall right the only countries more obese than America are some super tiny island nations and Mexico.
Hullaballoonatic
The proper rebuttal would likely be showing that obesity is not a description of the average American because less than half the population
IdiotMcNoobtard
Out of the 194 countries surveyed by the WHO, indeed you are "only" at #13. Out of the "first world countries", you definitely are #1.
SvprHanc
IdiotMcNoobtard
But hey, make sure you brag about all them gold medals as an accurate representation of the general public health.
icounttopotato
People here have the freedom and money to eat themselves to death. We also have the freedom to dominate the Olympics. We do both gracefully.
IdiotMcNoobtard
I'll give you that: you have a LOT of freedom when it comes down to what goes in or comes out of your mouth.
everythingisalieexceptthestuffthatisnt
Funfact - I'm american and my doc recently told me i'm underweight. Not sure how to rectify that since the suggestion was eat fatty foods
everythingisalieexceptthestuffthatisnt
but I already eat kinda poorly so...how to add weight?
isabellakbable
It feels like shouting into the void at this point, but for the love of god, trigger warnings are not censorship; they're warnings.
audcam
thank you for yelling at the void with me. i think imgur is too far gone.
SciNrd314
If I had a trigger warning, it would be "I use rational discourse without regard to the feelings of others".
SciNrd314
It's a warning to others that they might get their feelings hurt if I can prove their position is baseless and/or backed up by bullshit.
SciNrd314
And I won't care if it does hurt their feelings or not. Education matters more than emotions. Education drives Science, not Emotion.
SciNrd314
Well, won't care "much". I try to know when to shut up. Not often successful especially when violations of physical laws are involved.
603Kid
Trigger warnings allow people to hide from reality and that's unhealthy. Gore and rape and horrible things do exist
EnigmaticalMe
Trigger warning for suicide allow me to not have a panic attack after witnessing a family member kill themselves. If I can remain calm and
EnigmaticalMe
then come back into the class asap then I can get on with my work. I can't get on with my work as quickly if I have to spend over an hour
EnigmaticalMe
trying to calm myself down. A 10 second warning isn't going to affect anyone negatively but it helps people like me greatly.
603Kid
Not to be a dick, but again, suicide exists, we can't possibly label everything to cater towards a few people, it's a nice courtesy but you
JeziBelle
Trigger warnings are not censorship. They do not take the material in question OUT, just warn you that it's coming. It's in the NAME.
gruntcrazy
So we have to warn everyone about everything now? If you don't like something, you just walk out.
Zman445
Thank you for being smart and actually understanding what these ACTUALLY mean
marakesha
I think people get annoyed when others say "that word triggers me, take it down," though.
Zman445
yeah, those people dont understand overreact and then the opposition SUPER overreacted and now we have this
JeziBelle
I've literally never seen that and I actually spend most of my time in the liberal/SJ parts of Tumblr. People ask for tags, not removal.
JeziBelle
There will always be individuals doing that crap, but there always HAVE been. TWs themselves remain non-censorship.
tdurden420
Yes there's a little confusion between TW and "safe spaces" that claim the whole campus.
603Kid
Acting as if (insert horrible thing) doesn't exist is psychologically unhealthy and not a good foundation for being a well rounded student
kaztas
I think maybe they are referring to the idea of people making asinine things "Trigger" warnings. Like the Pomegranate thing. Maybe?
JeziBelle
People do have weird-ass triggers, sure. You can't cover all of them. But the big ones like child abuse, sexual abuse, violence, that stuff.
seemetrollinh8in
If someone was triggered by something, a warning doesnt actually help unless it's so they can halt it from happening. Which they (try to) do
JeziBelle
This is demonstrably false. Being mentally prepared for something can hugely prevent the emotional effects it has. You can be sure to read
JeziBelle
it in a well-lit place or around friends, you can mentally brace yourself, you can schedule yourself time to deal with/process it.
JeziBelle
"Trigger" doesn't necessarily mean "exposure to this sends you into an immediate debilitating panic attack no matter what." It's mitigable--
JeziBelle
--but only if you know it's thre.
ChainsawHandsJoe
Do you realize that "halt it from happening" can be a simple as walking out of the room?
JeziBelle
Not if you DON'T KNOW IT'S COMING, which is literally the point of the warnings.
seemetrollinh8in
Vets with PTSD triggered by explosions aren't helped on 4th of july just because they know there's going to be fireworks
Timotheory
You don't think that vets w/PTSD take steps on the 4th that they wouldn't be able to in the event of unannounced surprise fireworks?
everythingisalieexceptthestuffthatisnt
Probably not the time for this, but now I'm picturing someone jumping out my closet while I sleep with unannounced surprise fireworks
megandives
I think a "safe space" should mean a place where people can feel comfortable in themselves, sexuality...religion...etc. not a place (1/2)
megandives
devoid of criticism and critical thought. (2/2)
MotherAskani
That is exactly what a safe space is, not the meme trash you see here everyday.
NotFarEnough
tbf the meme trash I see is just ridiculing the concept of safe spaces etc to begin with so I don't know what it's actually like
HaYouForgotTheSubjunctive
That's what it should be, but it's comes to mean something else. See @shanyoncanyon's comment. 1/2 (link)
HaYouForgotTheSubjunctive
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
raidleadergutts
Lol at the downvotes. "No no, this doesn't happen ever and no amount of evidence will convince me otherwise!".
Magmos
A lot of people who use "trigger warnings" seem to forget that it's not meant to avoid shit you don't like, but to help those who are 1/2
geeroboz
But so do most people who oppose them. A tutor I had used to provide trigger warnings and it was just like a film classification.
DewMan001
Exactly! "The following contains graphic discussion of rape and sexual assault. Viewer discretion is advised." That's it. That's a TW
Magmos
unstable or who've suffered a traumatic event. It's meant to warn these people of something that could cause a panic attack or flashback.
AvatarTommyBee
It looks like a few needed the trigger-warning for medical reason, and some snowflakes high-jacked it for political reason.
MrsWhatsit
Thank you! I've taught in college and I have had exactly zero issues with providing trigger warnings. It's not up to me to judge. 1/2
MrsWhatsit
2/2 It was rather rare anyway so NBD.
Hullaballoonatic
I think upcoming triggering content is obvious enough in college courses that warning about it does not need to be enacted as a rule
Hullaballoonatic
E.g. You won't suddenly be faced with an arbitrary war or rape scene in a movie or whatever that wasn't obviously going to be present
ToastyMozart
And if you have those issues, a quick look at IMDB is easy enough.
audcam
Have you seen girl with the dragon tattoo?
audcam
that being said, its never a rule, its a courtesy to make a space accessible to those with past trauma.
seemetrollinh8in
Bitch, no one with actual PSTD is triggered by mayonnaise.
MotherAskani
Who the fuck said anything about fucking mayonnaise, you walnut?
loldez
"you walnut" <3
MotherAskani
Maybe you're referring to that SBSP meme you saw that one time, but this is a serious issue.
everythingisalieexceptthestuffthatisnt
You wouldn't say that if you'd seen what I've seen...Mayo...mayo everywhere...
MisterManatee
"freedom of expression does not mean the freedom to harass or trheaten others"; you just defined what safe space is *supposed* to mean
JustTheFactsMan
Stating an opposing opinion or fact is not harassment, but these special snowflakes think it is.
Cuntard
disagreement/debate/criticism =/= harassment/threats
Akran
Discussing controversial topics in an academic setting is not harassment though.
GIsLife
That's not really what safe spaces are about, it's simply to allow people to discuss their views on emotional topics freely without attacks
IllCaesar
"I think you should be institutionalized/imprisoned." "Please leave me alone." "Why, its valuable discussion!" - This happens quite often.
sulfura3
By that definition, all of US is a safe space already since harassment and threats are illegal by law and there's no need for safe spaces
llIlllI
Do you understand the difference between theory and practice?
sulfura3
Unless you're arguing that the state is not enforcing (practice) its own laws (theory), I don't get your point
llIlllI
Indeed! The US is not a safe space. Harassment and threats are illegal, but that doesn't make it safe. It's not that the state isn't
llIlllI
enforcing it's own laws. The theory would be that since harassment and threats are illegal, they do not happen; thus making the US a safe
brickonator
"Freedom of expression does not mean the freedom to harass" That's kinda what safe spaces were supposed to be about.
603Kid
Define harassment in your terms.
JustTheFactsMan
The special snowflakes cannot handle the expression of any opposition to their opinions, and that is the problem.
Cuntard
expressing a differing opinion is not harrassment
brickonator
Indeed. But that's not what safe spaces were supposed to originally be about.
audcam
right but calling someone a f*ggot is, which is why safe spaces exist so lgbt students aren't harassed.
shanyoncanyon
It sucks that "safe space" has come to mean this bull shit thing where people want others to way over censor themselves and not express 1/?
goforthandconquer
To the top with your logic.
Skawomplious
Agreed, but that's the fault of those using the "safe spaces".
brickonator
I'd argue it's the ones abusing it. There are plenty of people who need real safe spaces and hate that others are ruining it for them.
memberDaTortureDroid
Safe spaces have always meant that. That's why proper institutions of higher education reject them. See also, this post.
PlanetSchmanetJanet
THIS, thank you. A deeply misconstrued concept.
YouKnowThatRandomGuyWhoLikesVikingsNamedBerzerkerlord
correct me if i am wrong but i thought the original purpose of "safe spaces" was for those being peer pressured and bullied. Not 1/2
YouKnowThatRandomGuyWhoLikesVikingsNamedBerzerkerlord
he likes Trump/Hillary so i have to hind in a corner with the others like me 2/2
shanyoncanyon
Yup. That's basically what I said.
YouKnowThatRandomGuyWhoLikesVikingsNamedBerzerkerlord
Yeah i just wanted to reaffirm it in my own words.
shanyoncanyon
Fair haha
shanyoncanyon
Their opinions to such a ridiculous point as opposed to what it SHOULD mean: a space where people are safe to be themselves and express 2/3
VoltageXL1
So basically the opposite of what it's become?
shanyoncanyon
Pretty much.
brauntosaurus
That's what safe spaces are. the anti-safe space movement has conflated safe spaces into these "everything triggers me" imaginary ideas.
OliverClothesoff70
Sort of like how Netflix has turned the word "marathon" into meaning the opposite of exercise.
ANightAtTheCocksbury
The original concept was a "safe space" to explore unusual ideas without repercussion or interference. Somehow it has become the opposite.
brauntosaurus
it hasn't become the opposite, the anti-safe space movement has fought vehemently to make it seem like that's how it actually is now.
SciNrd314
They lost the part where "without repercussion or interference" doesn't exclude criticism, contrary ideas, or logical discourse.
TTurambarsGurthang
Your definition of safe space is the complete opposite of what it has become. I agree with you though.
shanyoncanyon
Thanks haha. It's what it's supposed to be! Similar to what people think of feminism vs it's modern portrayal. All utter BS!
TTurambarsGurthang
With you on that as well. The trouble is feminism isn't a consolidated group. So local groups can muddy the name with their own version.
shanyoncanyon
That's a good point. I hadn't really ever thought of that side of it.
shanyoncanyon
Their opinions without fear of someone treating them awfully for it. That's what a school should be. 3/3
TheGreatBlueHeron
As individuals we can grasp what's ok and what's too much, but the large beast of society cannot. All or nothing until good ideas are killed
kcrvoxtano
Except the problem is that so often if those opinions are conservative, you're ostracized in the safe space.
Immolator1001
UofC has those kind of safe spaces, a lot of people are mad at the school right now for not saying hey we do safe spaces right here
shanyoncanyon
That's fair. I think it Prob would've benefitted their statement to include something about fostering a safe environment, but not 1/2
shanyoncanyon
Crossing the line and pandering to people who way over react to everything and want to censor everyone. 2/2
preaction
That's what it really means. People just like using reductio ad absurdum to ridicule people who call them out on their bad behavior.
shanyoncanyon
Exactly. I hate it. I was an RA in college, so I know a bit about what creating a "safe space" means. Believe me, I really didn't like 1/2
shanyoncanyon
Some of the shit some of my residents did/said. But I put up with it because that's the way it should be. 2/2
ScourgeOf
Really? Because it seems to have become a pretty common popular understanding of them, eg: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Safe_space
preaction
Yes. OP here seems to think they're something entirely different, where "butthurts" go to "wallow in their feels" and "rah 1st amendment"
Zman445
This, so much this.
redneckguntotingbeerbellydumbass
that is the fucking definition lol
Lillysmom
I honestly didn't know that's not what it was until this post! I feel so ignorant and naive. 1/2
Lillysmom
I also don't understand why trigger warnings are a bad thing? Does it not give someone an out of an upsetting discussion?
ScourgeOf
This is the problem. This can perpetuate behaviors that maintain trauma stress responses and prevents improving from the condition.
shanyoncanyon
Triggers are something that cause an irrational negative reaction due to a traumatic event or mental illness (like PTSD or severely 1/?
Zman445
Yup but safe spaces and trigger warnings have been made trivial due to people overreaching and others overreacting.
shanyoncanyon
Yup. It's bullshit. It makes most people take people with actual problems way less seriously.
vierik
I'm not sure anyone actually understands the meaning or purpose of safe spaces or trigger warnings..
TomtheVisionary
Thats my takeaway
randolphjcarter
How very dare you!!!!
Immolator1001
A lot of students are mad at the administration for using the media definitions instead of they are actually used at UofC
Heliogabalus227
Teach us, teacher.
Krikr
I see it as a live and let live kind of deal. That said, the number of people who NEED them is much smaller than the number who USE them.
Krikr
If someone removes themselves from a conversation because of the conent, well then we probably weren't going to have a good one anyway.
gruntcrazy
pretty much
Marxtini
But your ineffable self does? They're bullshit, and if you support them you're a fucking idiot.
ScubaSteve4Life
Grow the fuck up and realize the world isn't all Pokémon go and roses you pussies
cheeseriot
You simply have no clue what you're talking about. Trigger warning are a heads up "just to warn you this lecture discusses graphic rape"
Marxtini
No, you're just an idealistic fuckwit
cheeseriot
Is being an idealist supposed to be insulting?
Marxtini
It is folly because it is at odds with reality. So you're a fuckwit, and the price of your fuckwittery will be pervasive harm, not good.
imonlyheretofavepics
Trigger warnings are useful for people with legitimate PTSD, for example, but have been warped beyond belief.
RaisinZetaJones
1/ No, they're really not. In fact, they serve the exact opposite purpose, by conditioning the response in and causing it to generalize to
braaaiiiiinnnnsss
Exposure therapy happens under the guidance of a trained therapist and is a structured process. Very different from "HEY! FEARED STIMULUS!"
RaisinZetaJones
2/ stimuli that have absolutely no relation to the original trauma. In fact, prolonged exposure therapy, a type of cognitive behavioral
RaisinZetaJones
3/ therapy, specifically repeatedly induces the trauma until it's effectively blunted. Trigger warnings will work to induce a state of
RaisinZetaJones
4/ hypervigilance, causing the anxiety to appear before the trauma stimulus, reinforcing the stimulus' association with anxiety. A lack of
RaisinZetaJones
The purpose of a trigger warning is to assume a priori a false argument. Ie: "Robin Thicke's Blurred Lines -- Trigger warning: Rape culture"
RaisinZetaJones
to beg the question of a song about a man trying to seduce a woman in a relationship is about that man raping her. The purpose of safe space
RaisinZetaJones
is so you don't have to be confronted by arguments and facts that point out how idiotic that is.
Qualtagh
for instance, someone who is openly gay-- can go to have a temporary break from hostility
Zman445
Agree
Qualtagh
Nope! The ideal implementation of a safe space would just be a social place where someone who often faces hostility--
RaisinZetaJones
YEP! Sorry, but that's the breaks SJW trash.
pennypriddy
...you guys are aware that trigger warnings don't mean "don't say that to me," but "warn me so it won't trigger my legitimate PTSD," right?
pennypriddy
I have friends who were sexually assaulted and want trigger warnings for assault. They don't avoid the source, but having a heads up is
pennypriddy
incredibly helpful for them. I know the phrase has been co-opted and used differently, but no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
ricktown
TLDR, TW's don't help: https://psmag.com/hazards-ahead-the-problem-with-trigger-warnings-according-to-the-research-4f220f7e6c7e#.zgsr4f6za
pennypriddy
This article seems to focus on survivors of sexual assault using trigger warnings to avoid discussions instead of to prepare for them.
pennypriddy
I feel like this article might be a more accurate (and more generalized) description of how they end up being used:
Fenrir007
Does that include preventing certain speakers from speaking on campus?
pennypriddy
I don't think people should be prevented from speaking and preventing discussion shouldn't be the point of a trigger warning
pennypriddy
I think this article describes it a lot better than I could (if you're interested): http://tinylink.net/JhgLU
Rybus
I'm not sure which is worse. The generation that fears words so much they want to censor opinions, or the one agreeing to implement it.
scottjaeger
Can't ignore the Millennials on *every* topic!
personsofinterest
I dont see how its a generational thing if people of all ages are fighting it as well as condoning it. It's just part of the zeitgeist.
albondiga793
My thoughts exactly
MachineInterface
It's well known that previous generations never censored anything. Especially not movies and comics.
supremepooperscooper
But they aren't asking for censors are they?
ThatMomentWhenImgurJokesAreOnlyFunnyToImgurians
isn't it the older adults that are the ones making these "safe places" to begin with? and teaching kids they;'re being triggered
mmestiza
It's definitely anyone willing to implement it.
BaronSimple
I think the last bastion of oppression was defeated in the gay's right to marry. Some still fetishize the historical struggles though. 1/
BaronSimple
2/ the desire to rebel has always been strong in this country and on campus. That spirit has to now manufacture exaggerated causes/enemies
AlaSnackbar
Unfortunately by the same people who champion tolerance, openness, and inclusion. But it only when they say it is and on what they like.
aethervamon
We live in a world that has censored and outruled to inexistence countless "opinions", we sometimes don't notice because they're 1/3
aethervamon
"things of the past". You're grossly under-representing a critical issue. If one hasn't been persecuted for what he is (as I haven't) 2/3
aethervamon
it's probably tough to grasp the vital need of a space that has transcended certain regressive forms.
KitsunesFire
Its almost like this was invented for PTSD sufferers, and this college is refusing to help trauma survivors and war vets. But fuck timbler
Rybus
Anyone who can not handle words being spoken needs serious medical help. People have the right to speak in this country not to college.
WolfOfMay
Avoiding life is worse for PTsD sufferers. If they suffer from it then the most they could want from life is normality
KitsunesFire
The whole point is to give them a place to chill and breathe for a minute. When society is mentally exausting, a breather is appreciated
JeziBelle
Nobody wants to censor opinions. They want to be told ahead of time "hey, this content has rape/abuse/extreme violence in it, so be (1/2)
cookseancook
username checks out
JeziBelle
prepared to deal with that when you read/see it." It's no more censorship than putting content ratings on movies.
TheSpooniestFeeling
I disagree with both your statements; one, a small minority actively lobbies for censorship. Two, its is implied in the subject matter.
JeziBelle
I've more seen them for literature classes, stuff like that.
llIlllI
True, a small vocal minority wasn't to actually censor dissenting opinions. But to say it's implied in the subject matter? I'm supposed to
llIlllI
know that a class title "Digital Media" is supposed to cover rape? Are you joking or what?
Blud4BludGod
I agree with the spirit of what you said, but there are definitely some people using the issues in question as a tool to try and censor...
JeziBelle
There are always some people. There are some people using religion to kill people, too. But it's right there in the name -- "warning".
Blud4BludGod
...opinions. And unfortunately they are ruining it for everyone.
Marikhen
Interpersonal agreements between consenting adults to self-censor is perfectly fine. Institutes enforcing censorship of any sort isn't.
Marikhen
Even "hate speech" has a place in that it lets you know who someone really is and gives them an outlet to speak instead of act.
thecolonels
All the safe spaces I've been to encourage discussion. Sure, you can't call someone a nigger, but that wasn't part of the argument anyway.
Sparru
It's okay to call someone a nigger outside safe spaces? So what's the difference?
thecolonels
It's a promise that the discussion won't dissolve into bigoted insults. Accept people for who they are and show them respect, regardless of
thecolonels
..if you think there are two genders or whatever.
TobyFromHumanResources
A university student union in London banned white hetero males from safe spaces because apparently they have nothing to contribute.
thecolonels
like, you just lied and spread misinformation to imgur about a university banning cis-men from safe spaces.
TobyFromHumanResources
Also I said student union not the university. As she was an acting representative of the union... sure it was an event rather than a room.
TobyFromHumanResources
"Mustafa first landed herself in hot water after banning white people and men from a diversity event at the university" I guess?
TobyFromHumanResources
Not really lying if that's what I understood the issue to be. Do I need to add a trigger warning? Hashtag CIS white man.
thecolonels
Honestly, go see a feminist punk band at a safe space and see how much hate you get.
llIlllI
Okay, unwillfully spreading misinformation. Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean it's okay.
thecolonels
My point is people have no idea how 99.9% of safe spaces work because of the rampant circle jerk spread of misinformation.
TobyFromHumanResources
For the rest of you - http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7440740
llIlllI
For anyone not willing to read the article, like @ImgurTechnicalSupport - a woman made a threat to kill all white men - she's under
thecolonels
Not quite true. I looked it up. One was a private event held by a student union official. One was talked about but not yet planned. 2 events
RedroverRedrover
Same here. It's been 20 years since I was in uni though. Does it mean something different now?
GIsLife
I think a lot of people completely blow "safe spaces" and what they actually look like completely out of proportion
preaction
No, it doesn't. People just don't like learning that things they've said before are actually racist/sexist/*-ist when told to stop
Goomba92
Now "safe space" means you can express your opinion and no one disagrees with you because being wrong might hurt your feelings
RedroverRedrover
Seriously? For me it was for LGBT groups or women or minorities to have somewhere to go where they weren't harassed.
Goomba92
That was the intention, but the meetings I've sat in on actively discouragd even asking for clarification on terms.
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
Been to 5 universities, never had a safe space mean this. Just my experience.
thecolonels
No its not. A bunch of misinformation and fear mongering from racists makes it seem that way.
TobyFromHumanResources
(continued) Disagreement includes rolling your eyes or 'exhaling aggressively'.
TobyFromHumanResources
Some student unions in the UK don't allow ANY form of disagreement or debating opinions in ~safe spaces~ to prevent offense.
audcam
Here's how trigger warning work from a victim of rape: "heads up this lecture will include graphic description of rape"
404GravitassNotFound
"This lecture may contain strobe lighting" is the only valid one I can think of
pandro
I'm not a rape victim and I would still prefer to be warned about it myself. Likewise I don't go to forums about decapitations. I'm warned.
ImgeneralBennet
If that's what it is, that sounds good. I fear that memes and other internet ridiculousness have ruined it for rape victims and veterans
Iamthebullfrog
What the hell is a rape veteran?
middlehead
2) to protect them from being regular old uncomfortable. Those are what this announcement is targeting.
venivicivetinari
That's what an actual trigger warning is and have always been, it's like a legit mental health term.
audcam
I'm not sure how much trigger warnings have been incorrectly used, vs. how much people perceive that they have gotten out of control.
brauntosaurus
hint: this is the internet. Of course they vilified something they didn't understand beyond reason.
middlehead
1) At a basic level, that is true and a good thing for certain people. Unfortunately, ignorant troglodytes have decided it should also serve
ImgeneralBennet
Today I realized I forgot the difference between troglodytes and trilobites! Either one probably is applicable in its own way lol
RepostSadistic
Students get triggered and need counseling because a flamboyant gay man, Milo Yiannopoulos visited their campus.
supremepooperscooper
I seriously don't get how anyone could be inconvenience or feel offended by warnings like that. It's not saying the topic is out of bounds.
badjedidude
...except that that's often how the term is used. To silence peoples' views and opinions. YOU'RE TRIGGERING ME, YOU CANNOT SPEAK!!!111 etc.
supremepooperscooper
Genuinely curious- when have you seen it used? I generally only see it as tags on the internet so people can avoid topics if they choose to.
badjedidude
It's a pretty big issue on plenty of college campuses right now, among other places. Hence OP's post.
supremepooperscooper
I know it happens in college campuses too, but I haven't seen/heard it blocking free speech. Have you?
hayllyn
I, too, am a victim of sexual abuse, and knowing ahead of time lets me make the decision (sometimes based on the day) whether i can deal.
hayllyn
I'm not hiding from shit-- I don't think it's so fucking awful to ask someone to just give a friendly heads up when disturbing shit is
hayllyn
involved. Thanks for giving the imgur masses an example-- they tend to belittle and condescend to people who ask for trigger warnings.
CILLI
I prefer trigger warnings as a rape survivor because it allows me a chance to mentally prepare myself for what I am about to read/hear/see
googlies
Same. It doesn't mean you have to avoid it, just be aware that you might see or hear something that brings back some pretty painful shit.
CILLI
Precisely! A proper trigger warning is not meant to provide a chance to avoid, merely emotionally prepare while you're emotionally frail.
TwoWhiteMenArguingLoudly
Same. In my opinion/experience, there are two kinds of triggers. Just the subject of rape itself, which sort of opens up old wounds 1/
TwoWhiteMenArguingLoudly
and more specific things that cause actual physical discomfort. Like for me, Brazilian club music (one song in particular) makes my heart 2/
TwoWhiteMenArguingLoudly
race and my stomach drop and my palms sweat and I feel lightheaded. That's what a trigger is, in my opinion. 3/3
TwoWhiteMenArguingLoudly
I'd like to clarify, I don't ask for trigger warnings on things like music, but it's important for people to realize that triggers do exist
wckedmara
thanks for helping people understand, audcam :)
audcam
i figure if one person comes away not hating trigger warnings on principal i've done my job/
FerbErrger
What kind of classes you all taking which describe graphic rape? I learned algebra, chemistry, geology, anthropology.
FerbErrger
I WAS trying to ask a serious question before you "safe space" waffle fuckers showed up. I took science, what subject is "rape"?
cheeseriot
Philosophy classes, psychology classes, sociology classes, etc
FerbErrger
Duh right, psych I can see, maybe nursing and such, but I'd think the health sciences wouldn't need the graphic description
GIsLife
Because you know, everyone in college has a science focused curriculum
FerbErrger
Nope, I was asking a question. Giving some of my personal background. Thanks for immediately attacking me.
GIsLife
My bad, if that's the case I simply mistook your tone. Probably in more English/literature based classes it would be an important thing.
FerbErrger
140 characters didn't allow me to put in all the classes, but I never got near anything that would need trigger warnings etc. So was confusd
audcam
Then you are free to leave the room if you don't want to relive a traumatic experience. I don't see how this is hurting people.
Zman445
"Bruh, you triggered bruh" what you said is how it's intentionally used. It's been ridiculed so much they changed their understanding of it.
citoyenne
Yeah, it's misused way more by people opposed to it than by people in favour (though they do misuse it sometimes as well).
Zman445
exactly
IllCaesar
"Wah wah wah feminization of america wah wah wah why can't everybody be perfect like me???"
audcam
i'm from canada, friend.
IllCaesar
That was more in response to the last bit. Its how many people inevitibly respond to the "whats the harm in it?" question.
MidiArbite
How much of a curriculum that deals with hard issues can a person be allowed to skip before the more reasonable option is dropping out?
flapperfemmefatale
my school offers a course on the history of terrorism, where they watch plenty of videos of bombings and executions. a trigger warning 1
flapperfemmefatale
2 is included for vets with PTSD, or anyone who just isn't interested in watching people die.
GIsLife
I mean, I doubt that it's a frequent thing where a trigger warning would be needed so there's no logical reason dropping out would factor in
llIlllI
If that much of your degree focuses on studying rape, yeah you shouldn't be doing that one. Can you point the rape studies degree? Otherwise
llIlllI
it's COMPLETELY reasonable to miss 5% of classes - even if it were absolutely no reason at all.
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audcam
i'm majoring in history, so i'd say maybe 3 or 4 classes a semester i get a warning. I have only left a class once.
MidiArbite
Criminal law and the like, and very rarely is there any "Graphic" depiction. Maybe in edgy lit classes.
llIlllI
(And of which major do you think most SJWs belong...)
audcam
so if you are in an English class and one of 60 days of instruction has a poem about rape its reasonable to miss one class.
audcam
Also even if you don't leave, its helpful to know something potentially upsetting is coming just so you're ready.
citoyenne
Yeah, IMO that's actually the primary purpose of trigger warnings - to allow you to prepare for exposure to something, not necessarily (1)
citoyenne
read/watch it (unless I'm in a really bad place or I know it's v. graphic), but sometimes being surprised by it will completely ruin (3)
citoyenne
my day and prevent me from engaging meaningfully with the text. I'm not a delicate flower, just a human being with limits. (4/4)
citoyenne
to avoid it except in extreme circumstances. I like getting a heads-up if there's going to be rape in something. I usually will still (2)
veggiesmooth
But, for a PTSD sufferer of war, or rape etc a safe space & trigger warnings are really important. Safe spaces are a bad thing now imgur?
AVoiceOfReason
Sufferers of real trauma aren't the ones who are the problem.
Element20Three
Safe spaces aren't part of the real world friend.
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KonaDarbles
Definitely not saying DON'T help people who genuinely need help etc and yeah ignoring them is best
everythingisalieexceptthestuffthatisnt
Whether or not it's true, I think the general consensus is that the people crying out for safe spaces aren't the vets and rape victims
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Splodgey
Like most things this site complains about, I've never actually seen anyone like this. Only ever imgurians complaining about it
raidleadergutts
They're extremely prevalent in american colleges.
KevinGong
Just look up Missouri university on google
JustTheFactsMan
I've seen the special snowflakes. They exist. They are oppressive monsters, and definitely not victims.
failphins2
Well they haven't seen it so your experiences and feelings are invalid. This is not a safe space for you and your kind.
raidleadergutts
Lol at you being downvoted for saying they exist and the ignorant Splogey saying they don't gets upvoted.
JustTheFactsMan
One of them told me - exact quote - "You have no right to hold that opinion." Not just no right to SAY it, but no right to hold it.
603Kid
It's unhealthy to avoid traumatic stimuli so vehemently that you can't even hear mention of it at all
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603Kid
It's not self righteousness to think that people with specific triggers are similar to people with a specific disability like dyslexia if
603Kid
Struggle with a specific stimuli, and it causes panic attacks or whatever, it is your job to avoid them. But there are too many potential
603Kid
Triggers to account for, do you really want to pick up a library book and see down the side "may include rape, eating disorders, violence,
KonaDarbles
Nope but "precious little snowflakes" are abusing it for their own personal agenda.
strangeist
Dumb chuuni teenagers on tumblr aren't indicative of actual reality, cupcake.
audcam
can you show me an example of this? i run a safe space for lgbt students on campus and i've never seen people stop anything but slurs.
ScubaSteve4Life
You're part of the problem
AwkwardKyle
Fuck off
audcam
And i help people every day through volunteer work in both LGBT spaces and sexual assault support groups. I'm okay with being that problem.
KonaDarbles
For example people who claim they are "squirrelkin/ wolfkin" etc then getting "triggered" cos people don't use the right Pronouns for them
audcam
the most famous otherkin was revealed as a troll account, i think about .01% of people asking for trigger warnings are abusing them(if that)
GIsLife
Idk man, I've yet to see any examples of that sort ever actually happening other than it being mocked on the internet
lilcactus
I have never ever seen one of these people online outside of mocking screenshots on Imgur, and never one like this in real life. Have you?
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audcam
Snowflakes are a big problem in chicago, just not the human kind.
JustTheFactsMan
I'm a vet. My gf is a rape victim. We both hate the ideas of trigger warnings and safe spaces and silencing opposing viewpoints. So wrong.
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KevinGong
Maybe I'm missing it but a lot of what they are saying is we will not ban speakers for having unpopular opinions
lilcactus
Do trigger warnings silence opposing viewpoints?
venivicivetinari
But none of those things are to silence anything... a trigger warning is literally "hey this book contains rape, so be careful about that"
BunToaster
Except for the people who say "Hey, this book contains rape and that could trigger people, STOP WRITING IT. BOYCOTT THE AUTHOR." It happens.
Element20Three
Whoa! Spoilers!
ImgeneralBennet
Is this an educational institution buying into the Internet straw man, or is it proof that people like that are prevalent now?
buckbuckbuckybuck
As someone who used to work there and witnessed student protests on this subject: they exist. And they are very vocal at UChicago.
kanashimi444
I'm currently in college. This is very real and it gets pretty heated pretty quickly.
doodybird
Third option: Progressive snowflakes seeking positions of power for the purpose of censoring "opponents" and turbocharging their escapism.
ImgeneralBennet
If that's the case they need to stop diluting the words "trigger warning." I support the use of it for rape victims and combat veterans>>
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undeadhobo
its buying into a strawman.
Camelspotting
University of Chicago actively tried to recruit those types, seems it backfired.
JustTheFactsMan
People like that exist, and they are certain that you have no First Amendment rights whatsoever. Opposing speech? You must be silenced.
vauhtihirmu
I would also like to know.
AmSaiCo
As a person who's attended college this decade- Yes, they exist, and a lot of them see to think the first ammendment is conditional.
BluBoxx
the first amendment is conditional. Obscenity, threats, incitement, verbal abuse all aren't protected.
IllCaesar
Well it depends on what you think the first amendment covers. A lot of people seem to think it means the right to not be disagreed with.
ImgeneralBennet
Ah, that's unfortunate.
AmSaiCo
They think the 1st means "I have the right to be so loud that you can't be heard. Your voice doesn't matter because I don't like it."
AmSaiCo
Yeah, it is. I'm pretty liberal, but I think I've convinced a few people I'm not just because I get so angry at those who scream to silence.
TheTruestRepairman
It's fucking sad that they even had to say this
DW223
What ever happened to "sucking it up"? I don't get some ppl these days
boobpicsinbox
It's great that they did.
zhukoz
Completely anathema to the whole concept of what university is intrinsically meant to be about
strangeist
It's fucking sad that contrarian imbeciles like you and your "anti-SJW" ilk have no idea what either of these terms actually means.
MrHello1
1/2 Both trigger warnings and safe spaces don't solve issues. They simply cover them up. What happens after you graduate?
MrHello1
2/2 the real world has no safe spaces, sheltering people from harmful words for a few years is going to do more harm than good
TheTruestRepairman
Contrarian? Anti-SJW? Care to explain how I'm either of these, princess?
Gafftop
But so glad someone finally did. About freakin time someone acted like an adult...
RandomMachine
most laws we have to make are a bit depressing, If everyone can depend on everyone we would simply need a task to unify and complete.
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
It takes too long for society to push back when the realize they've givin too much.
Aranyszin
But great that they are willing to.
MacRockatansky
But good that they did.
AngeloMonharti
Its sad that people that dumb are smart enough to get in to university.
DrPercivalCox
Didn't think we had to write that one down for ya, Murica
iWasToldThereWouldBe
. +++
Dungeongeek
We will always have to say this.
Immolator1001
The University has tons of administration offices with safe space signs outside. This is literally all just to get positive press.
InboxMeYourGermanShepherds
What's even more sad is that a majority of academia is doing the exact opposite of this.
GodHelpMeToBeGood
Except if people tell you to smile.
zanefree60
My safe space is the Sun Chamber! And I challenge you to duel for your username!
TheTruestRepairman
I will take you to the infinite labyrinth of eternal ice
YoWhatUpGlasgow
What's fucking sad is that their response to this nonsense is not the norm
CatWithHands
I remember a person calling these people "Talibanners" due to their trying to silence(or ban) anyone with dissenting view points.
scottjaeger
But thank fucking Christ they did say it! Maybe now the tide can turn...
Damndonkeys
Yes, but it's awesome that they did.
Luscus
Read a bit deeper people. The university administration is in no way banning either safe spaces or trigger warning, simply not officially1/2
Luscus
endorsing them. Students and faculty can create them if and as they wish. (apparently comments with tinyurl in them are autodeleted) 2/3
SuloBruh
No colleges actually have them
tdurden420
Well there's no literal sign posted on univ. property but in my experience "safe spaces" are there and if you cross them you will know it.
xuvial
Besides USA, is there any first-world country that has this trigger-warning safe space SJW political correctness bullshit going on?
Irishda
I've gone to a very liberal university and gotten a very liberal degree, I can assure you they didn't have to say this
llamalibrarian
Right? I got my degrees in cultural anthro and philosophy at a liberal-ish school and we never had trigger warnings.
llamalibrarian
I don't think they happen as much as enraged internet people say they do
tdurden420
I went to a very leftist university, got a very liberal degree and I can assure you that this was sorely needed.
Irishda
Why? All my English classes welcomed discussions
Serega81
Sad you say? Triggered
TorSverre
My exact reaction as well.
xuvial
It's sad a lot of things need to be said in USA. Considering it's a first-world superpower, some mind-bogglingly dumb people live there.
joss75321
It's because it's so successful that people are so stupid. In poorer countries, you can't afford to be that stupid and live.
SaFo98
Its just pathetic
Rayfasa
What's the entitled generation going to do without intellectual safe spaces? Or trigger avoidance? Grow up and get a hold of yourself! Geez
CryingButtholeLicker
Work at Buzzfeed probably
respiratorradiator
That's not what safe spaces or trigger warnings are for. Here: http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-oversensitive-people-are-ruining-america/
TheTruestRepairman
Entitled? I was born in the 90's, what the fuck am I entitled to and where do I get what I'm owed? Grow up.
Azmoten
Well, being as you're the Truest Repairman, what you're entitled to do is to repair...man
insoleindependent
Somehow I feel like being born in the early 90s puts one in the odd position of not being part of either millennials or the previous 1/2
insoleindependent
Generation. I haven't met a single person my age who acts at all entitled.
TheTruestRepairman
Maybe we were all too busy with computers to complain about the world. I don't know. It's weird. We're like the middle child of generations.
bthighlander
See, that's the problem. You aren't OWED SHIT!!!
catsonmeth
Are you retarded?
insoleindependent
I don't understand where you got the idea that we think we are owed things. As someone born in the early 90s, I never thought that way 1/2
insoleindependent
And I don't know anyone my age who does.
Manateechica
I'm confused. Does this only pertain to visiting speakers? LGBT "safe spaces" will still stand right? They're two separate things.
EMallorn
I hope not.
TheTruestRepairman
Yeah, the LGBT thing is separate. It's more about freedom of speech. These "safe spaces" are an excuse to shut people up when you disagree
cynicalpessimist
I go here, it just means no one is forced to make a safe space, not that you can't make or join any.
respiratorradiator
Shit, you should be top comment. Would rather hear from Students at UC than imgur's finest.
MajDSaster
I want a BLT safe space.
DcRuckus
Props man. In this trivial argument of whose life is more important, everyone's forgotten the big picture.....Bacon. Bacon matters America.
inuseusername
I hear ya. Bacon Lives Matter.
Shatto
Just know you sound like this
tomyironmane
The only fucking trigger warnings there should be on campus should be at the rifle range.
Groznek
Uh. No? I guess you hate people who have experience lasting trauma then? 'Cause that's what they're for.
EMallorn
Kinda, yeah. If you can't handle living like a normal person in normal society because you're that fucked... drugs, suicide, or both.
tomyironmane
Considering how folks like you treat the veterans who actually DO suffer from PTSD, you can kindly go fuck yourself with a rake.
Zeebonken
To be fair, if you enroll for a class about sexual assault you should be warned right at the name of the class. Common sense, man.
XSerenity90
As harsh as it sounds, it's not other peoples' responsibility to be sensitive to your trauma, especially if they don't know you. To be (1)
NotFarEnough
Why does it have to be so black/white? Can't we meet in the middle? Not totally cater to others but be respectful of their issues too?
XSerenity90
a productive member of society, you need to find a way to cope, and to seek out help as necessary. Hiding from it won't work.
Groznek
They're not even for 'hiding', they're for controlled exposure to things that could touch upon past traumas. Depictions of rape, extreme
marek
What kind of campus would have a rifle range? Is that a thing?
tomyironmane
Mine does. It's in the basement of the ROTC building. The university has tried to move them out to the hinterlands multiple times...
tomyironmane
Unfortunately for the SJW-lovers, these are the kinda folks who have kicked ass on 7/7 continents against all comers. They ain't movin.
tomyironmane
... to an "improved building" which would be far, far away from their college of business and stadiums. And probably have no range.
TurdFairy
What's sad is that they'll probably be condemned for doing things right.
scottjaeger
Naw, it's time for the cycle to switch to the downslope again. Source: early 90s.
idownvoteyourcat
Yup, only then it was called "hate speech." Same circus, new clowns. The 1st Amendment has always won, but it takes a while.
Hjpbell
As a Brit, I find this whole thing so bizarre
Marikhen
FWIW, as a rational, intelligent human being I find this sort of thing bizarre, and I live in the US and grew up in Missouri. :-/
TheReturnedLordLucifer
You should see how often Jews get spat on in UK universities by Pro-Palestine groups.
LearnedCoward
As an American, it is bizarre. Classrooms are supposed to be for challenging worldviews, not for making kids even more sheltered.
RealRelaxedGamer
Americans get offended when a old baker won't make them a cake, and sue him even though there are other bakers in town.
Ihmhi
*Some Americans. An extremely tiny minority that just so happens to sue them afterwards, how strange is that? It's almost like it's a scam.
hibsta
As an American, I find this whole thing so bizarre.
daeda99
I read today that Oxford Law professors were asked to give trigger warnings before their lectures. The madness has hopped the pond.
TheTruestRepairman
I'm right there with you, man. Can't help watching it all unfold though because it seems like a serious threat to freedom of speech
Ewanator
The fact that the USA has more freedom of speech than us (uk) is why I'm so confused as to why the trigger warning is most popular there.
GuestUser
Its annoying but how is it a threat to freedom of speech?
RedshirtRonSwanson
It's all about the slippery slope.
TheTruestRepairman
You're right, you can still say whatever you want. Just as long as it doesn't offend people, then you won't be allowed to anymore.
GuestUser
In what way would we be not allowed?
Mahuk
You're wrong. It means you're free to say whatever you want, but if you get inquired you'll have to prove you have arguments about that, 1/?
Hjpbell
It's nuts, all I was doing at uni was getting smashed in Newcastle
haguard
Same but in wonderful Stoke. Land of the free!
ArdenJace
UC is reacting against a Fox News definition of safe space. It's quite strange, I agree.
tdurden420
I don't know what FoxNews has to do with it, but I've seen the phenomenon they are describing personally at two separate universities.
ArdenJace
That doesn't suddenly change the fact that, originally, safe spaces were conceived to protect free speech.
Skippeh
It's started. NUS aside, the secularist society at my uni nearly had to cancel a speaker who was an Islam apostate and they were worried 1/
Skippeh
She would offend Muslims at the uni. The speaker had been controversial at Goldsmiths which is a centre of SJW BS in Britain.
pandainasink
Have you seen our NUS? Banned clapping at events in case of triggers and my uni had a safe space policy that the student body voted for.
ElDudeBrothers
Yeah the whole clapping theme was crazy
Skippeh
Our uni had a chance disaffiliate and we stayed. The NUS votes against change the student body actually want.
Skaboofle
Wooooot? Seriously now?!!
Mistergrimster
Yeah they do 'Jazz Hands' as a clapping substitute.
BigTruckRegularPenis
Friend of mine has kids in school. They can't call things that are colored black....black. They have to say dark gray or some shit. FUCK.
zhukoz
That's gonna help in art classses lol
ntauthority
DARK GRAY LIVES MATTER!
pancreas
I wanted to make a mildly racist joke, but Ive been reported/banned for even using the N word in a friendly (ie black twitter style) manner.
TheDauphin
Kind of ironic on a post that hits on censorship themes
pancreas
hah, I didn't even realize that. good catch.
Shatto
I want to call bullshit on this
BigTruckRegularPenis
I said the same when he first told me about it.
thegameball
Did a cosmological singularity dense enough to gravitationally absorb light get upset because it's the only true black color?
pancreas
black holes matter. they matter too goddamn much if you ask me. Nothing but matter in there.
IhaveTP4Bunghole
I'm jut glad the reasonable people are no longer caving in and have begun to push back. What happened at Mizzou was a warning to other Unis.
lofaith13
I was scared my admission to Mizzou would not occur due to last year's stuff. Now I'm here. There's definitely a push back
IhaveTP4Bunghole
Amazing! But things will be bad for a while due to deep budget cuts.
420B0ngRips4Jesus69
The issue is these turds don't want civil discourse. They want to scream in people's faces and suppress any idea they don't agree with.
FjodorDoctorJetski
Fuck yea
anvil
Did it have anything to do with Trigglypuff?
SkyrimForTheDragons
Isn't that that one Pokémon?
DaveBobert36
lol?
IhaveTP4Bunghole
No. It was the aftermath of the Mizzou protests.
IhaveTP4Bunghole
http://www.kmbc.com/news/mizzou-battles-enrollment-declines-following-fall-protests/39578476
SkellingtonBones
I highly doubt any of Milo's public speaking gigs will actually have an effect on campus policies, though they do root out problematic
SkellingtonBones
Students and staff on campus who would hinder a healthy college environment.
SkellingtonBones
Trigglypuff happened at one of Milo Yianpopadopolis' speaking events, if you were u aware.
AlaSnackbar
What happened, I'm curious to know. Sure some crazy sjw snowflake $#!+happened but what. Please enlighten.
AuroraNora33
shit*
IhaveTP4Bunghole
and donations to the school by alumni and rich people stopped. It forced the Uni to be a Uni and not a safe space. 2/2
IhaveTP4Bunghole
and donations to the school by alumni and rich people stopped. It forced the Uni to be a Uni and not a safe space. 2/2
AlaSnackbar
Hahaha, the irony in that is glorious. Did they protest that not getting the money was stressing them out and they need a SAFE to go cry in.
thisiswritteningerman
Can confirm. New chancellor worked to shut them down, pretty quiet so far. Massive funding cuts.
IhaveTP4Bunghole
After the total madness of the student protests at Mizzou, where the SJW teachers' mentality was exposed, enrollment dropped considerably 1/
ntzrmtthihu777
was that the shit with trigglypuff?
IhaveTP4Bunghole
Do you know about her?
Fahargo
Basically alot of fabricated and unproven stories came out of racist events happening. Like someone driving by and yellign the N-word at 1/2
Fahargo
a student. As if that had anything to do with the university. or a poop swastika someone said they found in a bathroom. Which is a 2/3
Fahargo
Jewish threat not a black one. Or a student faking getting hit by the dean's car then going on a hunger strike. Non of these things had 3/4
IhaveTP4Bunghole
http://www.kmbc.com/news/mizzou-battles-enrollment-declines-following-fall-protests/39578476
soundnote8
Whoever invented autoplay video with sound on needs to die. Repeatedly.
kodiakash
I needed a trigger warning for that auto playing video, about damn near gave me a heart attack!
IhaveTP4Bunghole
Do you need a safe space with puppies and Play Doh ?
Toderdj
This clarifies nothing.
AlaSnackbar
True. Except I get the feeling that some of the people.involved still don't see the relation between enrollment drop & the unhinged protest
craze
Seems like maybe they should have just let the football team cancel the game and stood their ground. They would have loss less not caving in
JLimages
It wouldn't have hurt the teams record by all that much to just cancel the games.
Muttons1337
So what we're the protest all about? The article only mentions it by name.
IhaveTP4Bunghole
What is terrifying is that UC is an exception, because "social sensitivity" courses are becoming mandatory in so many schools now.
Nigbac
I'm currently getting a Bsc in Kinesiology at U Calgary and I have to take 2 full credit social sensitivity courses in order to graduate.
TomIsMyDog
If I had money to blow I'd take that class and go in there with all the triggers!
clearlynotcleverenoughforimgur
My school is now doing a diversity course requirement for every major. Meaning that they will be tailored for chem, neuro or whatever dept.
byohzzrd
And the university systems continue to show their disassociation with the real world. When we stop forcing this type of education 1/2
byohzzrd
on our children maybe we'll have a chance to be great again. My fear is that these poorly prepared students are going to be in charge soon.
LondonSing
Please please please be joking
IhaveTP4Bunghole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9v2P-munBY
german6th
As a California, dear God is it bad here
IncreasingChaos
You're a California? Cool, I'm a Utah. Things are great here.
IhaveTP4Bunghole
I know. Nowhere have I seen more multicolored-hair on fat chicks.
superfunnel
Arkansas isn't too bad... I'm even at a liberal arts school
theloneponderer
Which one?
Rapture244
OP, is this "social sensitivity" only going in the USA because there is sure as hell no mention on this bullshit stuff in france or Europe ?
soundnote8
It's alive and well in Europe too, just hasn't reached the heights of insanity it has in the US. Source: Finn
IhaveTP4Bunghole
It is present in the UK, Australia, Canada, NZ. Basically in the former British colonies.
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
Brought to you by white people who feel bad for everything they've done.
IhaveTP4Bunghole
Most 3rd wave feminism books are written in English, so that made the spreading easy. But I can already see it on my fb feed in Spanish.
daellat
Yes, LETS SHELTER THESE PEOPLE EVEN MORE. man, I hope that bullshit doesn't blow over to north/western europe anytime soon.
IhaveTP4Bunghole
Mainly in English speaking countries, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ and starting to be the case in Germany (they have serious white guilt).
daellat
Germany is awfully close to me (Netherlands). Please no :(
IhaveTP4Bunghole
Also, Rotterdam is gorgeous!
IhaveTP4Bunghole
Germans carry a lot of guilt due to WW2, one reason why they insist on taking so many refugees. And it is backfiring big time.
YouCouldntHandleMyUsername
Stop oppressing me!!! Check your privilege!! Bigot!!!?!?111!!eleven!!!one!'
Irishda
No they aren't
Slayerhero321
Clearly you've never had to take an ethnic studies course. It's been around for years
IhaveTP4Bunghole
Was it mandatory?
AntonioAdorno
They tried restricting insensitive costumes at my college last year. My german friend and his jewish friend came dressed as Nazis. I'm proud
YamatoIouko
I bet the college did Nazi it coming.
IhaveTP4Bunghole
Bahaha!
themercwithamouthdeadpool
I just wouldn't do that cause it might insult people who don't like the color gray
AntonioAdorno
Now that I think of it, they might've gestapo uniforms.
AntonioAdorno
I once was called out for wearing a poncho because they said I was mocking Mexicans. I replied it was Peruvian and that they had no taste.
spenace
Did you snap your fingers back and forth all sassy like?
LearnedCoward
Who, the people calling you out for wearing a Peruvian poncho, or the Mexicans with their crappy taste in ponchos?
AntonioAdorno
ThatAssholeOverThere
I'm actually mexican and have been called racist for wearing mexican sombreros and ponchos
nesurame
You shoulda been like "fucking mexicans, with their convenient cloting," and shook your fist at nothing in particular.
TheManSpider
I bet those goddamn SJW's turned you into a cake, too!
DoctorPitt
great I get to pay to learn how to give a crap about stuff I don't give a crap about.
caiuscassius
College in a nutshell
Gink0
For me it was integrated in a course on sexual assault. Prevalent "PC" all throughout. Gender had fill in the blank option after listing 6-7
Techtronic
I believe firmly that there are only two genders and the rest are mental disorders
Techtronic
That said, if you're born with your junk mixed I can't fault you for it but don't go full Tumblr
boxmeister
I want this on a banner
roopawtattoo
Then you're naive of those who are physically born as intersex- not to even get into the whole Transgender argument.
Groznek
By technicality, they are.But they're psychologically recognized, and there's nothing wrong with, y'know, not ostrasizing for no good reason
JuxtaposeIsANeatWord
I highly support socially sensitivity courses, but that is in no way separate from my appreciation of free speech. I think us being able1/2
JuxtaposeIsANeatWord
To understand or own biases/prejudices/blindness is the only way we can productively use our free speech
Fahargo
As a voluntary course sure. I'm all for it. But it has no business being in the requirements of a computer maintenance class
CheapBeerAndBadDecisions
they prob had a low turnout for people signing up to that class so they stuck it in as a required class to pay for it, just as bad/worse
VoltageXL1
How bout fuck your social sensitivity
RNeao
My school's first year English course was writing about being open to other cultures/ideas and how they add to our community. 1/2
RNeao
Openness is the most important thing, and it's basically sensitivity. The tumblr stuff gets a bad rep, there'd be more backlash against it.
fluxbiota
it's not wrong to be socially sensitive. it's wrong to fucking keep great speakers/events away because a handful are "offended."
Manateechica
What about speakers who use hate rhetoric? Can students still protest?
TobyFromHumanResources
They should be able to debate the speakers ideas in a civil manner, otherwise it's no better than censorship.
ChaoticMarin
It's also no worse than telling a Jehovah's Witness to fuck off at 3 in the morning. Like all extremes, extreme freedom of speech is bad.
Fahargo
Seeing as they define hate rhetoric as anyone who disagrees with them. Yes. but if they try and block entrances or pull fire alarms they 1/2
Fahargo
should be expelled from the school.
TheSpooniestFeeling
Let any speaker speak, the whole thing will self police. Ideas compete and the "better" ones survive. If you don't let ideas compete 1/2
squip
Bang on. This is exactly why freedom of speech is absolutely the cornerstone of any free society.
gamblingpoet
I'm sorry, but I've heard hate speakers speak.I don't want to hear what they have to say. I've heard it many many times. I'm done listening
TheSpooniestFeeling
Ignorance will ensure and that is the only place where "bad" ideas can hold any water.
IhaveTP4Bunghole
What do you think social sensitivity courses are about? They teach you "where are you from?" is now racist.
Manateechica
I have never taken such a course. But people always have the option of just refusing to answer any question they're uncomfortable with.
IhaveTP4Bunghole
They are becoming mandatory. That is the issue here.
NotFarEnough
Do they though?
Dawnstempest
They also teach you "being white is bad" "being Asian is bad" "being Hispanic is bad" "being black is bad... If you don't act like a thug."
Dawnstempest
The worst part is teaching how mental illness -- thinking you are legitimately whatever retarded-kin, is okay and acceptable.
fluxbiota
You are not worth arguing with.
Krympehl
Ohh! You sure got him there! :D
IhaveTP4Bunghole
I know. You have no argument that I cannot tear apart.
emelld1324
what the fuck? I'm from Ontario Canada and first thing we ask each other to break the ice is "where are you from?"
CaptSheffield
Well I would suggest that you stop.
Krympehl
Isn't that the whole point of anthropology? Fucking getting background about people? Trying to understand their past? WTF?
reux
* "Sorry, where are you from?"
wackywoohoopizzaman
Winnipeg, here. Unfortunately, a lot of people I know would be just like that. Damn peggers! They've ruined Winnipeg!
IhaveTP4Bunghole
Montreal here. Most people here are immigrants. Nobody cares and even say their background proudly.
arednecksquirel
My girlfriend has to attend one of these on Saturday, it's so stupid
GalacticCrunch
"I don't roll on shabbos!"
IhaveTP4Bunghole
On a Saturday? She could be in bed with you! Those monsters!
SpacemanSpiff1000
Interrupting my saturday drinking schedule is my trigger.
Adato88
On a Saturday, that's not very sensitive towards her social life.
LearnedCoward
The mornings are for being hung over, and the rest of the day is for being drunk
arednecksquirel
Hahaha social life, all we do is watch Netflix together
FooQuuxman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vmpp59OlC0
Adato88
Haha the literal Netflix and chill!
slupryherpes
"social life"
REDWHITEANDMERICA
Tell her to protest and dont go. We won't crush this SJW movement unless people are willing to draw a line in the sand.
Manateechica
But like anything there are extremist on every side. Most avg citizens believe in social justice overall, some just take it to the extreme.
LearnedCoward
Well, there's social justice and then there's "social justice"
Selerox
Any University that condones "safe spaces" has lost the right to be called one. Freedom of inquiry is a foundation stone of Western culture.
Killrapture
Aren't all college safe spaces? Safe to share and trade ideas without fear of being harassed because of your said beliefs and ideas?
RogerSmithsAlterEgoNumber30238
As long as your beliefs are the same as what the faculty have.
IncreasingChaos
Hahaha, that's a great joke. Try being an ex Mormon at byu.
IncreasingChaos
If the staff finds out, I'll be kicked out of college. The rule only applies to ex Mormons, and not people who were previously non Mormon.
Killrapture
So wouldn't that be the reason a safe space might exsist? So you can't be harassed for having different beliefs and opinions?
IncreasingChaos
Because you're not allowed to be ex Mormon at byu. They kick you out.
Selerox
They shouldn't be "safe" in the sense that people should be "safe" from hearing that which they don't agree with.
Groznek
What if people don't agree with, say, the personhood of trans people?
Killrapture
Yeah, I always though safe spaces meant everyone agrees not to be a cunt when having debates and general discourse.
Selerox
That's how University *should* be. Open, frank and respectful discourse. That doesn't always happen, but that's the idea.
Nigbac
Nah it's the opposite, a place where you can go to not hear conflicting non PC opinions and be accepted no matter what.
falloutmonk
Trigger warnings aren't terrible, they've just been misused. Some people are sensitive to certain content so a warning for them to (1/2)
falloutmonk
Prepare themselves for the content. The fact that it's been used to shut down conversation is disappointing.
CMcAwesomeville
People are pussies right now, over protected, easily offended. Warnings are not bad in the right context. But as you stated: disappointing
llamalibrarian
The only time in my years of college did "trigger warnings" ever come up was in a literature class for a Vietnam war novel
llamalibrarian
The class had a lot of non-traditional students so it seemed like a relevant warning
VashTheStapmede
ok......what's a trigger warning?? also whats a 'safe space' if you know and don't mind my asking
whyihavetoeven
You can't make yourself 'protected' from certain content with avoiding it. If you are afraid of something, you have to face it. Then you win
falloutmonk
Imagine something in your life you'd rather avoid. Would you like it to be dumped on you unawares, or would you like a heads up?
whyihavetoeven
Well, I understand what you mean. Maybe I misjudged it; but the current usage speaks more than it's definition.
falloutmonk
It's not meant to avoid. It's supposed to be used as a warning, so that you can prepare mental defenses before going through.
NotFarEnough
Can someone walk me through a real-world example of when the term 'trigger warning' was directly used to censor a viewpoint?
falloutmonk
Sure! I'm in a poly group on Facebook and someone mentioned the word "sex" triggers them and asked people not to use it. When someone (1/2)
falloutmonk
Did they reported the person to the admin and the admin banned them for violating a trigger.
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
That is a good question! Students ask me to tell them in advance if a film shows rape, war, etc. They have never asked me not to 1/2
AmITheOnlyWomanOnImgur
2/2 SHOW the film though. Majority know what they need to stay mentally stable; usually just advance notice is enough.
ScourgeOf
Except a huge part of the psychology community won't endorse them because its believed they might reinforce pernicious evasive behaviors.
ChlorideCull
It's not a solution, but it prevents things from getting worse. A rape victim probably shouldn't see rape, but still do therapy
ScourgeOf
I don't think you understand. The point is that going by the literature and clinical practice it might very well make the conditions worsen.
SCOTTSTERLINGthemanthemythandthelegend
The only time I've heard trigger warnings as valid is for like soldiers with PTSD or people with actual conditions.
Immolator1001
As a student at UC prof's use it whenever the reading we are doing discusses rape or has like racial lynchings in it.
NicoleRosieRose
+100,000
cactuslover93
Using trigger is a triggering word, check ur privilege merde-lord
EiraObsidian
I have PTSD from child rape. F everyone that thinks they need to protect me from the world. Clearly I've dealt with worse.
dryerlint
As someone who has dealt with pts fuck trigger warnings and the special snowflakes that want them.
librarywyrm
That's what it's supposed to mean, but the tumblr snowflakes have high-jacked an important mental health term.
AuntSharron
PTSD triggers are real. Snail-kin tumblrina triggers are not.
hunnybunches
Now its just feminists...
NotFarEnough
Just curious, how do people think 'trigger warnings' in the context of this post are being used to censor speech?
ScourgeOf
Probably because the term has been used before to justify designating speech as "problematic" and thus needing to be controlled/curbed.
saidtomyreflectionletsgetoutofthisplace
I think it's people feeling that they have to worry about offending somebody so therefore infringing on their free speech. Although, it 1/2
NotFarEnough
I see. It's kinda confusing re: the threat to 'free speech'-like, just being worried that you offend someone =/= infringement of speech
saidtomyreflectionletsgetoutofthisplace
smacks of the same conservative line of thinking that people are too "politically correct" and they shouldn't have to show basic respect.
Deadb4uhearit
When I play the maracas, they go chick chicky boom chick chicky boom
SCOTTSTERLINGthemanthemythandthelegend
Yessir I'm Cuban Pete, I'm the CRAZE of my native street
BunnyGoesHopHop
As someone with PTSD from sexual assault, I've learned that the world is a cruel place, and to make everyone else bend 1
BunnyGoesHopHop
to my triggers is futile and stupid. These things come up, have the strength to talk about it and hope that someone else can learn 2
BunnyGoesHopHop
from your experiences so that the cycle can break. Most people that say that they have PTSD are self diagnosed attention whores looking 3
BunnyGoesHopHop
to spout bullshit without fear of repercussion. The belittle people with actual PTSD by putting it in such a negative light that we get 4
BunnyGoesHopHop
laughed at when it does come up. I so damn sick of seeing "Trigger Warnings" that it's starting to become a rant trigger for me. /end rant
doubleinternetaccount
It's good thing you don't get to decide what's Valid then.
NicoleRosieRose
. This .
Akran
How about if you have a legitimate condition like PTSD, you inform your profs; I'm sure most of them would work with you. Why make it 1/2
Cuntard
I agree and so does the law. these types of accommodations are covered by ADA
accipiter
People who freak out about 'triggers' usually don't have PTSD and get 'sudden' triggers. i.e. something makes them upset and they get pissed
Akran
a policy for everyone? Assume history classes are going to contain topics like rape, torture, and violence because that's what humans do 2/2
armrha
And I guess you're the ultimate authority on whether or not someone has an actual condition, not like, a doctor.
theimgurcommunityistrash
one third of women will be sexually assaulted during their lifetimes. Having trigger warnings on content depicting rape helps many people
DildoSwaggens
You don't have to provide facts or evidence if "everyone basically just knows it's true".
Fahargo
That statistic is bullshit and you know it. 1/3 of woman? as if
TobySomething
If you are going to show a graphic video, sure, give a heads up. Use common sense. Making it required for mentioning/discussing it is silly.
VoltageXL1
That is the most bullshit statistic. Its more like 1/40, stop reading bullshit feminist propaganda. I'm sick of this
accidentalpartridge
*pseudo-feminist
annibe11e
A real stat would be better than "its more like"
VoltageXL1
Google.com
RaisinZetaJones
1/ Bullshit. First red flag of this post: "1/3 of women". Somebody posted the other day that 1/4th of women will be sexually assaulted, and
RaisinZetaJones
2/ another use quickly pointed out that was the sexual assault rate in the (Democratic?) Republic of Congo. Second red flag: Exclusive focus
RaisinZetaJones
3/ on women, so a hint that this some gender studies SJW fuckery, "it's all about me, only my problems matter" disguised as helping.
annibe11e
Is the "all rapes matter" argument really being used here? When one group is victimized at a disproportionate rate, its ok to focus on that.
Nail260
My uncle had PTSD from Vietnam he used hit the floor flat anytime their was aloud bang.
Tsig
While I'm not saying he didn't have PTSD, that sounds more like a conditioned response rather than a PTSD triggering.
ScourgeOf
You're making a difference where none is needed. Reflex actions can be a very common result of trauma triggering.
ineptusMechanicus
Like when people get raped in uni?
supremepooperscooper
If former rape victims or domestic abuse victims just want a heads up that a talk might hit on those themes why is it a big deal
ScourgeOf
Because they seem increasingly used to designate those themes/subjects as a problem, & it might worsen their disorder in the long run.
armrha
never understood people's dislike of them either, also the standard here is silly, only 'legit' issues by whose judgement... the poster?
supremepooperscooper
I understand that some issues may be nuanced that you don't know they require trigger warnings, but basics for abuse/ trauma victims?
armrha
Yeah exactly. And they'll say well for real issues fine but not for ones I don't agree with. Why do they think they're qualified to say
ScourgeOf
Probably because Trigger Warnings have been popularized by people with no training or expertise & some don't align with mental health lit.
blackbirdflyy
Usually you can tell by the title. I just don't think trigger warnings are helpful, and perpetuate the idea that society needs to bend (1/?)
blackbirdflyy
to your perceived needs, so that you can keep avoiding things easily. And with that, you don't really recover. (PTSD survivor here) (2/2)
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blackbirdflyy
They're never going to get a heads up in the real world though. & it's kind of infantilizing to assume the type/desire for trigger warnings.
supremepooperscooper
I think people recover in different ways, and its not up to me to decide when. 1/1
supremepooperscooper
As someone without any serious mental health issues, it wouldn't ever bother me if people needed a heads up so they can decide.
JustTheFactsMan
As a vet with PTSD, I keep it to myself and the VA. There is absolutely no need to bother other people with my own personal issues.
armrha
This is an insanely common attitude but mainly just because the VA sucks so bad at supporting people with PTSD. It's a health condition.
armrha
You should never feel like you can't go to your health provider to deal with your health conditions or that you should just live w/ it
margaretolson
Even my psychologist says most of these so called "trigger warnings" these days are BS & are detrimental to healing
ScourgeOf
And they do well because that's what the vast majority of the literature on treating traumas and phobias seems to suggest.
watermellons31
i understand that. for me its just nice when teachers tell me there is rape or abuse in before we read the book. I'm not going to not read 1
watermellons31
2 but its nice for me to mentally prepare myself so I'm not caught of guard. i can understand how someone who has never had their life
watermellons31
taken away because of a traumatic experience might have a hard time understanding what the word trigger means
margaretolson
Definitely! That's why I said most**. Some are still very valid and needed but IMO "trigger warnings" are way overused nowadays
watermellons31
yea thats true
beeea
Or for sexual assault victims
imnogoodatusernames
How about those who have attempted suicide/had mental trauma? **This is a question not an argument**
armrha
So do people have to tell you the story of their assault before you'll bother to respect not fucking them up mentally on purpose?
beeea
Not sure if this was directed at me, but of course not. That's why we need trigger warnings...
georgefishpaw
Domestic abuse. Rape. Incest survivors.
Splodgey
Incest survivors?
Shaggers
Rape is a form of sexual assault and incest survivors isn't a thing (survivors of sexual assault from family members, however, is. But (1)
Shaggers
not all incest is sexual assault). Domestic abuse could be considered sexual assault depending on the situation. (2)
NotTodayNotYesterday
It can be a way to define the assault more accurately. A person can be a victim of incest as well as sexual assault. Shortens the descriptio
NotTodayNotYesterday
description, rather than, '...caused by familial relative.'
Cuntard
as opposed to those who sustained fatal incest injuries?
suretoast
You can die from sexual abuse...
Cuntard
well, from injuries sustained during or as a result of sexual abuse, but that may be semantics
saidtomyreflectionletsgetoutofthisplace
Get over yourself. You don't always die from cancer either, but we still call them cancer survivors if they overcome it. It's about 1/2
saidtomyreflectionletsgetoutofthisplace
changing your orientation to the situation instead of stripping away dignity and labeling someone a victim. It's a way to empower oneself.
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armrha
Not my psychologist. Source your weasel words instead of just saying vague 'psychologists'. Not the consensus of psychology right now
Heisanevilgenius
I see. My apologies. I'll delete my comments so as not to mislead people.
armrha
Sorry if I came on too strong... there is such a thing as exposure therapy that works well! But it's consensual and controlled...
spazztastic
Really! i tend to side with this.
ChanningPotatum
Yeah, which is the whole fucking point. So way to go Imgur, so glad to see you taking a stand against victims of trauma.
ScourgeOf
Disparaging a practice with no evidence on its effectiveness, and counterproductive by most trauma therapy literature, is against them?
ChanningPotatum
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/08/25/the_university_of_chicago_sent_incoming_freshmen_a_letter_decrying_safe.html
ScourgeOf
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to glean from that, other than the author seems to think definitions are prescriptive rather than descriptive
ChanningPotatum
You're supposed to understand that the alt-right definition of those words has nothing to do with the actual practices they describe.
LiterallyYourMom
Exposure therapy is actually one of the most effective treatments of PTSD. While unpleasant, being triggered actually helps long-term.
armrha
Yeah just someone sending rape threats to you is not controlled exposure therapy. Your post is terrible and encourages attacking victims.
LiterallyYourMom
I said nothing of the kind.
armrha
You said exposure helps people getting better in the context of harmful acts online. Don't pretend like you meant in controlled therapy
LiterallyYourMom
Have fun with that.
reruns
Just randomly triggering people is not exposure therapy, and even if it were, you do not do that without a person's consent.
LiterallyYourMom
I never implied otherwise, but completely retreating from all stimuli is not the answer either.
Habreon
No one said it was the answer
LiterallyYourMom
Well, people who want safe spaces apparently do.