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butlerfetish
I can't believe we're relitigating this bullshit argument in TYOOL 2018.
LegitOldSchool
I beg to differ.
DancingPanther
that old playstation controller
AnonymousBach
Video games don't make people violent. Lag does.
pacobedejo
Neither does my Glock nor my SKS.
SeanBeanDiesAlot
Games don't make kids violent, MOTHER FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT LAG is responsible for violence
vontreigo
Neither does an AR-15
iamdanman
Idk I’m playing gta right now and I just murdered an NPC who hit me slightly with his car, I shot him six times and then ran him over
Rifneno
An appropriate response. Especially since everyone in GTA hits and runs.
mdzmdz
TheGreatPeru
It's the lag that makes us killers
IMoveWithTheEleganceOfAnAfricanElephant
I played a shitload of Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego? a lot as a kid. You should see my haul of world monuments...
mdzmdz
Dizzy taught me to steal anything not nailed down
AynZar
Great, now I have the Rockapella theme from the Carmen Sandiego game show in my head
daimomusic
Where in the world is Carment Sandiego
MongolianGod
Yeah im too busy killing people on the beach in GTA V on PC to kill people irl. Shit takes alot outta me.
MongoOnlyPawnInGameOfLife
Or a car thief...
fettslave1
Why do politicians worry about video games when things like paintball and Airsoft exist? Surely Airsoft would be closer to the real thing.
KingDomino
There’s no gore in airsoft. No sadism.
fettslave1
Minus the gore obviously.
NatalieDormerWillYouMarryMe
because one is a massively popular industry that the media can latch onto and the other is a niche game played mostly by military reserves
NatalieDormerWillYouMarryMe
aka one generates multitudes more clicks/hits/ratings in media, which generates profit, which trickles down to them. Its a system
FourtytwosQuestion
Well, i killed so much time with these, only a matter of it till i buy a gun .. oh, wait, here are normal gun laws.
Imwearingpantsipromise
I just can't believe this disproven argument is back. Fuck Trump.
Munchman347
Gotta distract everyone from the real issue. It's working...
Orzahn
Remember the Zagnut bar from Hacock? That with the wiimote.
NewYearNewAccount
Neither do my guns!
AlrightKeepYourSecrets
Guns dont make people killers, they make a killers job way too easy.
WellThatsOriginal
OMG you did not go there. Even I wouldn't go there. And I get shit all the time. +1 but don't tell anyone.
NewYearNewAccount
NewYearNewAccount
Oh yeah, I went there. Idgaf what anyone else thinks I should be able to do or not do with my life. In 25 years my guns haven’t shot anyone!
Eldibs
No, those dead hookers in your basement make you a killer.
franco8a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIW4HMl81hw
Klnwltrnk
Does this change if we swap out the old PlayStation controller with the newer PS4 controller?
KingLost
Only when my wi-fi is slow
DealinBurgers
Turns out every school shooter had a kitchen sink at home. Ban all kitchen sinks!
AlrightKeepYourSecrets
I think a bunch of people though you were making a pro gun argument....
Asuicidallemursgotmygun
I don't think it's really a popular belief, just a popular scapegoat.
ItsUncleSam
Kinda like how there’s like 3 parents giving their 7 year olds tranny meds but everyone on this site blows makes it a huge deal.
SomeDetroitGuy
They've been saying this shit for at least 30 years. And before that, it was D&D. Before that, Rock music.
TheVakarian
And before that, it was those darn negros with thier jazz music and thier Mexican tobacco!
stalkerofstorms
The goddamn devil's lettuce. It's always the devil's lettuce.
TopCommenter
And now we have D&D video games! And rock music in video games! And D&D rock music! No wonder the world's going to Hell. /s
TheTimeless
We can go deeper, D&D inspired rock music in D&D video games where the bard only plays D&D inspired rock music.
TopCommenter
With all the violence that will inspire, a war might break out!
SnugglesaurusRex
Well, there was no violence before there was video games, so check-mate atheists.
TheTimeless
What are you talking about? Of course there was, it was just simply inspired by marihuana and anything louder than Frank Sinatra.
MarvinBrando
The only relationship that's been found has been that people who play violent video games are more desensitized to violence than those who
MarvinBrando
do not. Never has and probably never will be a link to violence. Anyway, I'm gonna clean my AR15 and play some PUBG.
theBEARDEDarchaeologist
I need to clean my AR but I'm gonna play Destiny instead, I'll clean my guns after range time tomorrow.
AmagiciaNamdGob
If it did shit like this would have been this bad for years. Games didn't just suddenly get super violent.
TheUpdootist
Also, pretty much everywhere has video games and nowhere else experiences problems of the same caliber.
reux
What about soul calibers?
jixathejinx
Its an argument as old as media, dude.
RideTheStimutacs
Which isn't to say most gaming communities aren't still incredibly toxic, but there isn't much preventing that.
Skywatcher16
it would also be a problem just as prevelent outside the US, as violent games are played world wide
afartnSpartan
The Daily Show just talked about this. Japan loves videogames, but literally had 1 gun-related murder last year bc they have strict gun laws
Heathen92
Up until the mid 90s/2000s mass shootings like this were unheard of and we had even less restrictive gun laws in times past. Maybe we 1/
Heathen92
should consider other factors. 2/2
tardis63
Nobody is saying guns are the only reason, but they are the fundamental requirement, and notably one we can reasonably alter.
Heathen92
It's reasonable to infringe on our natural right to defend ourselves? Notably you ignored my point.
JustAnotherPOG
As I noted elsewhere, in the years that violent video games grew in popularity in the US, the violent crime rate dropped, reversing (1/?)
JustAnotherPOG
previous trends. I don't mean to imply that video games caused this, but they certainly didn't cause violent crime to increase. (2/2)
tardis63
There are so many theories for the decline in crime in the 90's, like removal of lead from gasoline and even Roe v. Wade. Real interesting
minepagan
Could I get a source on that? I believe it, but I wanna show it to some people
MVPHingleMcCringleBerry
.
JustAnotherPOG
No worries: https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/ Mortal Kombat came out in 1992.
minepagan
Thanks! Also, looking at the releases of big games (I used Halo) there's a distinct correlation between releases and low points.
PutaLittleSpittleOnIt
Where have you been? 16-bit gore in the Mid-nineties? No. So thirty years? At best? Guess what? Where not even close to the peak yet.
KrystenRitterEyeRoll
Mortal Kombat
JamieSmyth
I mean...it's not like this was the game that made age ratings a thing on videogames...oh wait, yes it was!
ThatSquirrelInTheCorner
Sorry to hear you're young and stupid.
PutaLittleSpittleOnIt
Shooting and gaming posts. Biased much.
getmo
Not to mention he probably hasn't seen an 80's gore movie.
PutaLittleSpittleOnIt
I must be stupid for trying to have honest discussion on this site.
ThatSquirrelInTheCorner
Imgur is not the place for "honest discussions". Hasn't been for a long time. Go somewhere else if you want that.
PutaLittleSpittleOnIt
What fun would that be?
ACSwineburne
That's not exactly an "honest" discussion, you answered your own questions that were themselves pointed so badly as to make the point moot.
ACSwineburne
"16 bit" is irrelevant. Killing in Duke Nukem wasn't somehow less than GTA V because the graphics were worse. Gore has existed for a while.
getmo
DOOM
PutaLittleSpittleOnIt
great game
CptRobotNinja
ULTRAVIOLENCE
getmo
Don't Hurt Me, I'm Too Young To Die
7grims
exactly, all the world plays games, but killers are only affected in murica... its a dum excuse by dumn ppl.
ImgurIsPrettyNeat
A wireless mouse? You criminal
TorilTheBlacksmithsApprentice
Both me and my brother play with wireless touchpads. Fight me.
iConfirmAnythingAndEverything
What? I've had my Logitech wireless mouse for around 10 years now and it's great, No lag, batteries last long.
Lionskull
wireless tech has caught up to wired tech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQxw-pX4dak
Gmayor61
I'm here to support you in this cowardly onslaught of wireless heretics
drewcrosby
My G700s does wireless and wired. No lag at all either way. It's great.
oggta
Lol I play with my Logitech M510 at work...????
bobtheaxolotl
I play PUBG with a wireless mouse all the time. I lose because I'm terrible at the game, not because of the mouse.
eldieron24
I use a wireless mouse and it works fine
ThaDizzle
Logitech g900. I use it wireless and play fps no problems
daykeyboard
I have a g602 and haven’t had a single problem with it
Hellrzr33
But do you play CSGO with it?
ElectricalOwlet
G900 has less latency than some wired mice. Probabaly adds to the $150 price tag
ThaDizzle
Worth every penny
Iamenvy
Also the m1 and m2 buttons are on the right side
iAppdata
Do lefties have no rights?... wait...
Lykasmitts
THEY USED TO BURN SOUTHPAWS AT THE STAKE GODDAMMIT
BlackoutAU
Logitech g703 with powerplay mouse pad, equal performance to wired mice with complete freedom of movement and never needs charging. Peasant.
iConfirmAnythingAndEverything
Logitech m703... I change my double a batteries once a year maybe. No lag.
ActuallyMyNamesMarina
Stop living in 2010 my dude.
yy0b
They have gotten much better than they used to be, I have one on a couch computer, and haven't noticed input lag in FPS games like I used to
RamenAndBooze
honestly, logitech is the best. their wireless mice are beating even more expensive wired mice in precision and with the same latency.
Alkuam2
Hell I ended up with an old dell wireless keyboard/mouse combo. Only problems with the mouse were the shitty battery consumption and DPI.
ImgurIsPrettyNeat
They have gotten better, but the stigma you know?
cptslicer
It also depends on the manufacturer of the mouse
yy0b
Definitely, I was speaking generally, the technology for Bluetooth has improved over the last few years
cptslicer
yeah especially if you buy from one of the gaming brands like razor or corsair
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Wintermute1v1
You're literally wrong. Numerous pro CSGO players have been using the Logitech G603 without a problem. Also the input lag is sub 1ms.
QuackDodgers
There are people playing any game you play with an old ass CRT monitor and equally old mouse and keyboards
QuackDodgers
And they're probably better than you'll ever be. Peripherals don't make you a god, that's called getting tricked by business.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
HUUUR DUUUR
Noob3rts
Hodor?
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Ho. Dor
beardedbeerdeer
Still doesn't make any sense to pay extra for batteries or spend time charging it when you can just have it plugged in constantly.
MyNipplesLookLikeMilkDuds
Cable management, my dude.
HappyJello
Also Logitech has a mouse called the marathon mouse that lasts 3 years on a single charge, its ridiculous
SpookyCarnage
I've had two cables wear out on me with a few mouse that i've had. Swapped to a decent wireless mouse (not the cheapo ones) and its fine
WittyNameThatWillGetMePoints
It’s convenient when my laptop is hooked up to my tv
CanadianBaconIsJustHamWTF
I had bpth wired and wireless mouses for playing csgo, overwatch, Etc. All of my wired mouse wires wore out too quick. Never again wired.
yphastos
Nowdays there's pluggable mouspads which charge the mouse while you use it. Win win
Alkuam2
HaAaAaNnNnD CaAaAaNnNnCeEeErRr. Is what I'm sure some people will think of it.
AresGortex
As a man with a laptop and who plays on a couch, its worth it.
LeSmelborpOfImgur
Wireless computer? WOW xD
tristan8251
I have the G403. Makes complete sense. I’ll never go back wired. I plug it in for an hour every 2 days and notice 0 lag. No batteries
LeSmelborpOfImgur
Honestly the G613 is soooooo good~
Kaarin1
You must doubt the power of batteries these days. It's probably better than you remember bromigo.
HappyJello
Dude, my logitech mouse has lasted for months. Ive never had to charge it yet, its kinda scaring me. Also, I use the mouse for my 1/2
strangledbyaturtleneck
I've had my logitech wireless mouse for years. Going on 6 I think, change the batteries every 8 months or so. Got it for $10, no lag at all
Sammyv17
Let me scare you more. My wireless Logitech mouse has been running on the same AAs that came with it almost 4 years ago. I use it constantly
absolutezero182
The mouse isn't powered by batteries, it's just slowly sucking away years from your life.
HappyJello
laptop and desktop, wireless just makes it so much easier to move around. Its also a cleaner look imo
TobiOfTheAkatsuki
My Logitech mouse has lasted for so long, one of the rubber sides is starting to turn yellow from use. And it still works perfectly.
BANANAFLAKE
I had a logitec mouse. It was the most expensive mouse I have bought. The usb connector was shit and the wire broke after four months.
Shewy92
Console controllers have been wireless for years and we still get by
gorgosaurusrex
Yeah but those have built in efficient wireless batteries, you have to BUY batteries (rechargeable or not) for wireless mice
Shewy92
Xbox just got with the program though.
CassiusPolybius
*looks for battery compartment on mouse.* huh, that's strange. Had this for a year and a half now, I just plug it in every couple of months
PaperCl1p
Precision required by games on the PC make it incomparable
MehHat
True that
eppykaze
Well, Maybe the Wii-mote. That shit's dangerous.
Pherlin
It did kill at least once.
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DanteCadiz
“Accidentally”
DJDogBreath69
I’ve been “punched” in the nose twice in 30 minutes by a Wii-mote wielder gone rogue. Shit hurts
Creyton
LivingDecomposition
Don't get near me when I'm playing tennis, man
shadowforcey
Yeah... you cold totally kill someone with a wii mote
joedirty1
Not until your wifi connection starts acting up.
nefets
thousands of slaughtered tvs agree
UnknownSquid
Only thing that can stop a bad guy with a Wii-mote, is a good guy with the wrist strap.
Othernate
Right? Why would they post this and leave the best part out ):
eppykaze
And use such a low res version of the image
TheBananaconda
They come with nunchucks. If those aren't lethal weapons, idk what is
TresusIbor
Makes you a killer of LCD screens.
ThePotatoBandit
Yea but that's manslaughter at best
itdoesntmatternoneofthismatters
Pre- wrist strap wii-mote was a killer.
DrunkSnowWhite
Always had them, just nobody realized how important they were at first and eventually they also started including those gel cases with them
lordofthedice
Actually, the first one's had very thin straps where they connected to the Wiimote and they broke.
smashpro1
Wiimote always had a wrist strap.
metaspy
yes, but in the early days it was made from unwaxed floss
lordofthedice
The first ones were shitty and tended to break.
romrider07
It also came as a "You put it on yourself" feature
Hitherehowareyoutoday
guywithwifi
When my friend tells me it's lame I brought my own remote to his house
Rutgers102WoDao
Don't make me get my switchblade
ReallyBadMemory
IceWeaselX
Dangerous indeed.
Ynigmatyk
Is there sauce with that spaghetti?
IceWeaselX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ONp7LRmyBE (original upload by The Warp Zone was removed due to copyright dispute)
Ynigmatyk
All round I'm glad I asked for it however there was a moment of regret in there
milkboyy
Is that.... Is that dodger????
Davies46
yes
milkboyy
Are you... are you Davies??
Davies46
yes?
andyilmatto
Nah, das Dooger.
IceWeaselX
Yes
JokerARC
Reminds me of this old video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn3rjHkcqbU
eppykaze
eldonq
WhoShotMeInTheHead
DanglishViking
Stealing a copy. To good, to not using.
MemeSnatcher
A new meme you say
ScarecrowSticks
EndersGameofThrones
Thats the most pixels/best resolution I've ever seen for this meme!
ThePlainDoll
And just like that... A new meme was born
DeadMemeCentral
Newp. It's been around for at least a good month.
iforgotmylastaccount
Seen this on wallpaper sites 10 years ago.
Zhylo
No, that picture is almost as old as those consoles. I had that as a wallpaper when I still went to school..
eppykaze
It's been mine for the last 7 years
BulletToofTony
Yup, definitely around 10 years old at least
imdonewithpickingusernames
It's always the white one!!
usersubbordercontrol
Hey, we agreed on it years ago. The whites shoot meth and schools, the black shoot heroin and the streets. (Please no offense. Just a joke)
TheLastBootyBender
Nice try Mohammed I defused your bomb vest, this is my school to shoot up now.
wererat2000
If we make fun of everyone equally, nobody can be offended!
DrPanzerfaustus
I mean, you're not...wrong...
usersubbordercontrol
PoisonInJest
Is this even a debate outside of govt and media?
fingermypooper
Its not a debate at all for the people on imgur. Therefore easy frontpage.
PakitoTaquito
And moms across the world
theBEARDEDarchaeologist
Nope
afterdinneromelets
It's not a debate for anyone who has actual gaming experience. It's just people who don't play/understand videogames being scared and stupid
OhhHaiMark
I said to a group of older people I work with... just know what game you buy your kids gotta gta v and read before you buy it for them
ImmaStealYoReactionPics
There was a researcher on NPR that said video games do make people more aggressive, but only as much as violent movies.
afterdinneromelets
There is a correlation between people playing violent games and having violent tendencies, but I don't think they ever found causation...
afterdinneromelets
Personally, I think it's more likely the violent people are drawn to violent games, than that games actually make people violent.
authoritech
R1 R2 L1 R2 ^^
lilsebastian10000
HypnoChanger
You mean, the two things that decide our laws and set the public narrative?
apercent
The same people want to ban social media for the same reasons
javjav
Somehow there's enough purchasing power on gullible moms that this is an issue to the industry at large.
GoldenSama
Well, govt are the ones who can fuck us, and scared old people will go along with it cause they don't know them 'vidja gaymes'
IamJustinSane
It’s not a debate at all. Govt and Media just pretend it is, to calm the hysterical masses that need an explanation.
B99Reactions
It is amongst the people that believe the media
TheBeardlyOne
I've been an avid gamer and avid gun collector/shooter my entire life and I've never hurt anyone, can I just please keep my stuff?
TheRaginCaucasian
Yeah man it sucks
TheLazyLibrarian
There is an old documentary of behavioral psychology experiment called Bandura's Bobo Doll Experiment. In short, it shows children who 1/?
BrockEffingSamson
Which is interesting, but hardly conclusive evidence that video games make people violent.
TheLazyLibrarian
Yep. Rather, it merely shows that people tend to learn and copy actions of others that they see, whether socially good, bad, or simply odd.
BrockEffingSamson
So, neato complete-o factoid. Not useful for this discussion, but hey whatever.
TheLazyLibrarian
first watch a video of an adult hitting a clown doll and then copy the exact same acts, sometimes with more violence. Here's the video: 2/3
TheLazyLibrarian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmBqwWlJg8U
theBEARDEDarchaeologist
There are studies that disassociate video games and other consumed non-interactive media for the idea too though.
TheLazyLibrarian
Oh definitely. Rather, it begs the question in the medium of TV shows instead of in video games.
TheLazyLibrarian
But the experiment is definitely one of the roots where the idea of violence in media affecting people came from.
ikagawa
Pressure from govt and media is why the ESRB was created.
thecolonels
No, its giving an unequal voice to the christian right. The greatest force for censorship in the united states. They whine, the govt listens
lightningboltkid1
I'm trying to figure out who you were responding to, cause your comment makes it sound like the ESRB is pointless?
ImgonnapartylikeitsCOVID1999
But the ESRB didn't prevent games from being made. It just forced companies to rate their game, so parents would know which were "mature"
rodgewing
Same with the Comics Code, which eventually became meaningless.
gundam02
And the parental advisory label on music.
Anonwuzhere
Now if we could only get parents to actually look at the box and take responsibility for buying their kid violent games, instead of them...
Anonwuzhere
...blaming something they know nothing about.
thecolonels
It is right wing forces trying to shift blame.
flavivsaetivs
As a conservative, it's stupid right-wingers. Most of us are well aware there's no correlation between games and violence.
Tywinning
Every. Single. Time. It's like clockwork. "Fuck we need a scapegoat, what haven't we use in a while?!" "Video games?" "Yea! That'll do."
BuiltonSin
Oh, definitely the violent movies! Except those movies and games are sold worldwide...
whitetip107
It's bipartisan.. Mrs. Clinton championed the cause as First Lady back in the 90's, Pres. Trump just released a WH video. It's silly anyway.
thicketcosplay
Okay but... Hear me out... That was 20 years ago. Before all the studies and research had been done, before it went mainstream.
ItsUncleSam
And she was anti gay up until at least 2013, what makes you think her other idiotic views have changed?
thicketcosplay
I'm not saying they have. I'm saying that things have seriously changed in the video games argument, and therefore opinions should have too.
Hybris51129
*left wing
GallantCenturionSpy
Tipper Gore. Enough said.
Iliketobrowze
Your comment is literally going to show the liberals and conservatives on imgur who up/down vote your post. Let the survey begin!
Hybris51129
The fact that the original comment exists has already done that, I only just made the other answer available to vote on.
Broku92
If your political opinion is not liberal your opinion will not even be considered.
winforFinn
So "right wing forces" hold some responsibility for people becoming mass murders?
newsguycraigevans
Yes. They demand that guns be available all the time with no restrictions. They are absolutely to blame.
winforFinn
That's interesting to hear that's been your experience and I'm sorry for that. From what I've read recently Republicans have/1
winforFinn
Done more to enact gun control laws in recent history than most people (especially here) have given them credit for. I'm not sure where/2
silentxzero
Lmao. Seriously? Repub majorities during each of the worst mass shootings in history can't even talk about guns, how have they done more????
clucja1
It's not a debate at all. It's Trump trying to throw something under the bus to take the pressure off himself
GallantCenturionSpy
I guess you never heard of Tipper Gore.
baseballl2000
That was over 20 years ago
GallantCenturionSpy
Yep. The debate has been going on that long. To think otherwise is ignorance.
clucja1
The debate has been dead for a decade. Just because it started 20 years ago doesnt mean it's been taking place for that long
Barbarian90001
Been more a Left wing thing for a long time. Was one of Hillary's signature platform pieces, including Toxic Masculinity in games.
IStillGiveOutDickPics
and tipper gore before that. democrats have a long history of shitting on free speech. now that trump is taking his turn at bat
IStillGiveOutDickPics
suddenly the dems are screaming 'NO! FREE SPEECH IS GOOD!"
Bstone1
As is tradition.
SebastianSavage
As is tradition.
DidItForScience
“I like taking the guns early, to go to court would have taken a long time.” -Somebody
Allhailmidgetgoat
Quite the way to blame trump for this, this has been a stupid theory FAAAAR longer than Trump has been president.
Barbarian90001
https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2016/02/05/can-we-forgive-hillary-clinton-for-her-past-war-on-video-games/#2e22a1d712aa
FuckMyAssAndCallMeObama
Dude, this stupid shit has been going on far longer than trump's been in office.
clucja1
It's been a dead subject for years. It was put to bed by scientific studies. Trump revived it to take pressure off gun reform
CareIDoNot
TheLordofMelons
Trump has probably caused more violence just by being in some form of political power than the entire history of video gaming.
clucja1
Without a doubt
Skywatcher16
*republicans in general
poochyena
Hillary Clinton is a republican?
SympatheticParamedic
Clinton’s 1st ad running against obama was against video games
winforFinn
Right... Because this isn't a bipartisan issue that both parties have pointed fingers at forever.
Skywatcher16
how many republicans do yo see currently buying this crap? how about democrats. yeah both do it, but one is a distict majority to the other
b0Bm3h
Politicians*
semtex94
I don't think Democrats are buying it.
HamJenkins
*Humans
Magoober
*Dragons
EndersGameofThrones
I've owned guns and don't want anyones' taken away but its ridiculous that they blame movies and games but refuse to have a deep 1/
elhopaness
If they are going to defend stupid things we could talk about racing or fighting sports being bad influences too.
EndersGameofThrones
conversation about how access to guns makes it all possible. Yeah, people could try to execute a mass stabbing but that shit is hard and 2/
EndersGameofThrones
tiring work and someone would take a stabber down before he got more than 3-5 people. 3/3
ZachPutland
I guarantee you that the result of the Vegas shooting would have been far worse if someone drove a truck into the packed crowd
IAskLotsOfQuestions
It would be just as easy to pull the fire alarm, wait for people to congregate outside, then run them over with your car. (1/2)
IAskLotsOfQuestions
If someone wants to kill people, they will find a way no matter what is outlawed.
silentxzero
In Charlottesville the car idea was good for only 1 death in a crowded street, rookie numbers compared to a single incident involving an AR.
silentxzero
But it's actually tougher and more time consuming in some states for people to get a license or car than it is a few guns.
HypnoChanger
Personally, I think without guns we would see an increase in IEDs. What needs to be addressed is the root cause of so many people turning 1/
HypnoChanger
to violence. Not the means by which they commit that violence, or making cheap scapegoats out of new forms of entertainment.
PoisonInJest
I couldn't agree more. Personally I don't like guns, didn't grow up with them and the sight alone gives me anxiety. But I'm not opposed 1/2
PoisonInJest
To ither people owning them excluding fully auto rifles 2/2
orangeyougladitsnotbanana
So a bomb then or a car...the fact is if people want to kill other people they will find a way with or with out guns.
TheTimeless
Wait, so, just because other objects have the possibility of being deadly, even though they haven't been used nearly as much as guns, we
silentxzero
Hell in AZ you could build up a small arsenal with about as much ease, privacy, and freedom as you could a vinyl collection. /3
silentxzero
Bombs are illegal and hard to get, and there are more obstacles/restrictions for getting a drivers license/car than a gun. /1
silentxzero
So literally, guns are the easiest weapon to obtain for a mass murder and in some states you can do so with no paper trail at all. /2
Asciiman
No they don't. People kill in mass numbers with guns. Other places without guns don't have problems with mass murders.
GallantCenturionSpy
More murders are committed by bladed weapons in the US.
NatalieDormerWillYouMarryMe
why waste time with strawman arguments.
quarky
I’d argue that this is a misleading statistic. You can easily commit one murder with a blades weapon. It’s probably choice for those (1/?)