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This is probably my most asked question. But unfortunately, there really isn't one specific answer.
This is a huge grey area. Because on one hand, you don't want to offend anyone, but on the other hand, you don't want any customers feeling uncomfortable. There also isn't any way to tell if a man is a legit trans or drag queen without being WAY too personal, and not just preying on women. Unlikely, but when you're a major company, you don't risk things.
Typically, what I would do, if the situation presented itself, was let them use our fitting rooms and lock all of the other doors, and then send the other ladies right across the department to the other lady fitting room.
I dunno if that's proper, or whatever, but I sure as hell wasn't going to deny them the use of a room and I wanted to avoid all conflict.
I only had to do that once, though. Usually if a trans person wanted to try something on, they just took it home and brought it back if it didn't fit.
Same went for drag/crossdressers.
I only fit a m-f trans in our rooms once, unintentionally, because she didn't look like anything but. So, from then on, I let her continue to use the rooms... no one could tell she was trans, so it didn't ever cause an issue.
Hopefully, one day, maybe they'll install trans fitting rooms?
Until society if more accepting and comfortable, that's really all you can do.
PS - If my terms/language aren't correct I'm sorry... I am trying hard to be PC but seriously I can't keep up with what's right/wrong to call a trans person so I give up. Lol. Everyone says something different.
Magic.
No, jk.
Basically, trial and error. You can be told your true size 95 times, but shit isn't gonna fit unless you find the right style for you. Shoulders, ribcage. boob flappiness, all factor into your bra's comfort.
But once you find one... it's like angels singing.
No. As far as I know that's never happened. The only sexual situations that have happened in my line of work were all by third party.
Nope. It's full of controversy, but the bottom line is even if we did allow men to fit lingerie, 9/10 a customer would have a problem with it and ask for someone else. So we just avoid it all entirely.
Remember, this isn't MY policy. I don't own the company.
And I don't really have an opinion on it, either.
Honestly, fitting for lingerie was only about half of my job. We also did a lot of work with women recovering from breast cancer, who had had mastectomy (removal of the breast) procedures or lumpectomy (removal of parts of a breast). So we'd help them find prosthetic pieces.
So helping them out was always cool. Nothing like taking a woman who just won the hardest fight of her life and making her feel pretty again.
I'm going to post a guide to types of lingerie later. :)
And tips on how to buy.
102. Didn't fit her for a bra, she actually needed a corset for back support.
A band-aid.
Lol jk.
If you're serious, try a nylon/spandex boxer brief.
I dunno, but thank the LAWD it exists.
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Lingerie Guide: http://imgur.com/gallery/g26n8
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Whitey71020
Am I the only one that thinks this really isn't as interesting as you think.
Doingitforthepeople
This is great. Keep up the good work OP.
iMightHaveBeenDroppedOnMyHead
"Jiggliness"...
IceCreamButtholes
I don't understand the trans women in a fitting room thing, are they not just small private rooms? How would anyone else notice?
sprinklesandunicorns
Lace is a gift. For both the women wearing and men observing.
Datamaskarl
As a trans woman way to ostracize us. We aren't a disease needing quarantine. It's bad enough we have to subject ourselves to this.
juedeas
The trans one was pretty interesting. I'm FTM and luckily made the transition to men's pretty easily (I was super butch). MTF's not so easy.
shiklurker
People just love Lingerie and lace and everything that goes with it. So these will continue until puffin ruins the dat.
kansas555
As a woman who wears a 42F and was always trying to squeeze into the DDs at Wal-Mart, when I got my first real fitting I cried. Thanks!!
bretth4735
TIL: men can't do every job a women can.
wandergeist
It's not that we can't, but that no one wants us to. We also can't birth children, btw.
MartynMage
Oh hey I caught this in user sub.
WeirdGuyOnTheInternet
Me too! *high fives*
Doingitforthepeople
This is like a first time thing for me. I feel special.
MartynMage
Me too!
rave421
how about having two fitting rooms? One large one with several sections, and one separated from the others? So men can try on sexy pants too
fairlyodd
I laughed hard at boob flappiness. +1
OneTiger64
"Boob Flappiness" I both shuddered and laughed
RockDiva
"boob flappiness" +1!!
iamthesnail
At the underwear store I work at, a trans woman comes in regularly and patiently waits until it isn't busy in the fitting room. I like them
IJustWantToBeADragon
Never had any one try to make a fitting into a sexual encounter...is that a challenge? I think this is a challenge.
MartynMage
It's not a challenge.
IJustWantToBeADragon
Appearantly, as a male, I'm not allowed to go to the fitting rooms anyway.
VeliciaL
You might be surprised how well some trans folk pass. Good chance you've had some in and just didn't know.
VeliciaL
And, well, as you discovered... if nobody can tell it really isn't a problem is it? :P
BadWolfDancer
i measured myself using instructions online and it says im just barely a D... i was like, uh no. maybe i'll have it done professionally...
saffr
Finding a perfect bra: I cannot recommend Bratabase.com enough. BRILLIANT chickas who just, like, KNOW. Thank lawd for internets!
stereoatypical
Please help me find a goddamn bra that fits properly and contain these fucking things when I workout. As it is, I literally tape them down.
imtherealtreesquid
Title Nine's Frog Bra - it promises "it ain't pretty, but you won't bounce"
LoadedPotatoSkins
hooded sweatshirts work
kungfuman
That covers them up, but it doesn't give support. Plus it's hot as fuck when you workout in a hoodie.
LoadedPotatoSkins
mind over matter. literally
padofpie
1/2 regarding trans people: I don't think they would want a "trans dressing room" The whole point is that they would like to be treated as
Datamaskarl
Exactly, and locking all the doors / diverting traffic away is just off. It takes more confidence for us to ask then you to deliver.
padofpie
2/2 the gender they identify with would be treated.
SerialKitten666
Some places have trans bathrooms. We call them unisex. Problem solved, more places should pick up on that!
Kailen9
Yeah, if someone is presenting as female and identifies as a woman, they should get the same treatment as the other women
Kailen9
Who are looking for bras too. Plus it is probably terrifying for them to ask to be fitted, so I doubt there's much else on their mind.
CopperWench
In Vancouver we supply 'barrier free' which is for handicapped, parents, or trans individuals that don't feel ok using gendered rooms
Twenty3Skidoo
I think this is a much better idea than uni-sex dressing rooms.
juedeas
A unisex fitting room would be rad, however. It would get rid of the awkward, "oh god, which side do i use". I say this with experience.
padofpie
Exactly. And in a retail store it wouldn't be awkward - I mean, stores usually have a staff member supervise the dressing rooms, right?
juedeas
Usually yeah. And it would cut down on the judgement. I was pre HRT when I redirected to the woman's fitting room once. Embarassing as hell.
juedeas
It would also make thing far more comfortable for people, too.
IgiveupIdontknowwhatusernametopick
...I must be the only person who doesn't find lace AT ALL appealing.
wandergeist
For me it's garter belts. Makes me think of my grandmother, which is the opposite of sexy.
IgiveupIdontknowwhatusernametopick
Oh god, yes, I find them quite the turnoff.
ashmenon
For me it's the thongs. I just...I keep thinking I'm going to find poop stains.
Niddhogg
I am definitely looking forward to the lingerie type guide. That would be very useful info for me.
Hamspiced
+1 for floppiness.
TwitsOogleMyTits
I said the same thing. My boyfriend told me I'm not funny. +1 for you.
Hamspiced
I think youre hilarious..
notirrelevant
"Boob flappiness." What's the unit of measure for that?
pecc
Flaps (movement (cm) per wind (metres per second)).
ashmenon
Flabongadongs.
Atharaphelun
I'm assuming it's measured in boings. The higher the flappiness, the higher the ammount of boings. Boing boing.
notirrelevant
I'd associate "boing" with perky ones; I imagine it's more like, "fwapa-fwapa-fwapa" for flapjacks or tube-socks.
Atharaphelun
That would be a lower unit, same way a centimetre is for a metre. 10 fwapas = 1 boing?
ABRAKADABREIMAWALRUSokimnot
Guys, we need to make this a thing. We're making this an actual unit of measurement now
StopPhotoshoppingLadiesThighs
It's measured in flubs.
itxtalone
thank you lingerie fitters, you do good work and help women to find cloths that fit us correct and make us look and feel sexy
LoadedPotatoSkins
im glad im a guy and dont need help shopping for my underwear
WeiYanZhuo
You sure you don't need someone to do a "fitting"?
bisqwit
It's not really that for men, all underwear fit nicely and aren't ever uncomfortable. It's that we're taught to suck it up and not complain.
krunchi
Getting boxer briefs that fit your...erm..."curves" nicely does make quite a difference though, both in appearance and comfort.
Oooldfart
Guys wander into the store, go to the first rack they see, ask "does this cover my ass?" If yes, then shopping is done. Time for beer.
rageboots
But everyone knows that boxer-briefs are the best kind of guys underwear, anyone who says differently has never tried them, or is lying.
andonRT
To be fair, if it was the social norm, "Whitie Tighties" probably wouldn't be so bad....
droomph
I wear widy tidys. There. Another fact you didn't want to know about me.
revenfett
Idk, my man bits are fairly American... they like their freedom...
AwkwardKyle
I guess mine are Greek, since they need support.
eddiewardo
I like my boys to feel secure. Tried boxers but they tend to get stuck to my leg. I found satisfaction with boxer briefs
westPAguy
Boxer guy here, after reading all the comments, I am going to have to try boxer briefs..
eddiewardo
They're spectacular. I don't like the openness of briefs but boxers made me feel all loosey goosey. Boxer briefs are JUST right
papasmurf1118
Being a man is so much simplet
csamsh
well...except that we have to try and figure out/deal with women...
Tamaska
"Hmm 3 colours all in size medium and the same brand as I am wearing now - Yeah, they'll work"
revenfett
Just wear the one pair until you see daylight. Retire. Repeat. Right?
DrYoloMcSwagmasterIIIEsq
"Woah, 24 pairs for a buck? Hell yeah!"
EthanR
Where the heck are you buying underwear? Briefs are $15 for like 6 here in texas
DrYoloMcSwagmasterIIIEsq
I buy them from the homeless guy who hangs around by the dumpsters, where the heck do you buy them?
EthanR
Walmart. :c
Efreeti
Holy shit, here in Norway I pay like $42 for a 2-pack of boxer briefs.
EthanR
$42 USD? What's minimum wage there?
dollyswitch
Bleh. If a trans-woman wants to use the fitting room, you let them. Simple.
wandergeist
If they're legit trans. But then http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/man-wearing-bra-wig-arrested-bathroom-voyeurism-in/nLWFR/
bumblebeehedgehogfish
We've had legal protection for trans people to use bath/fittingrooms for like a decade and there's not been a single case like the one above
snuzzled
That man admitted to being a voyeur. Nowhere in that article does it state he claimed to be trans.
minimouse
Not my company. Not my choice. Unfortunately.
dollyswitch
Bleh, I get that. :/
bumblebeehedgehogfish
In the UK it's a legal right. TMYK
CopperWench
In Canada it's protected by the charter. Thank goodness.
snuzzled
In the US it's a legal right, too, but most people just don't know that.
minimouse
I'm sure they could probably fight it, but I don't know.
Ezzybells
I don't see the issue with even men using the rooms. If you want privacy, don't open your door till you're dressed!
ExcitedLinguist
Exactly. I appreciate the fact that OP is understanding and, clearly, an Ally, but transwomen are women, so they don't need a separate room.
rusty6899
scenario). I don't really think there is much cause to worry about this happening too much, though. I really don't think that many (2)
rusty6899
I think the point is that perverts could pretend to be transwomen to gain access to the women's changing areas (a fairly unlikely (1)
bumblebeehedgehogfish
My comment was long: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4XKXWdgJ
rusty6899
I agree. The problem is that even though the argument isn't valid, that won't necessarily prevent it being made.
bumblebeehedgehogfish
I'm just glad i live in a country with legal protection. Most trans people aren't so lucky :(
StarkTangent
Drag queens, though
minimouse
Well it's not my company, so I do what I'm told. If it were my business, sure. But it isn't.
ExcitedLinguist
I understand!
rusty6899
would be used very infrequently. I'm guessing it may be quite offensive as well, although I'm not generally the best judge of that. (4)
ExcitedLinguist
It would be pretty offensive, it's calling them "other," which is the opposite of what we want to do! Thanks for the reply!
rusty6899
places would install trans-specific changing rooms as, realistically, it would mean losing valuable retail space for changing rooms that (3)
bumblebeehedgehogfish
Also as a trans person there is no way I would use a trans only changing room, thats a bit too much like white or black only fountains.
rusty6899
My thoughts on the situation is that as long as people have a mature attitude, there shouldn't be any problem. In the end, it seems (1)
rusty6899
fairly arbitrary to have separate male/female changing rooms in the first place (assuming they have individual cubicles). (2)
tangybreath
I agree, but we have jackasses that fake it to perve. Also, not everyone is okay with it and a company that makes customers happy = profit.
snuzzled
Actually? There has never once been a case of a perv pretending to be trans to sneak into a fitting room. So, no, you don't.
bumblebeehedgehogfish
Had legal protection for trans people in the UK for like 10 years and not a single reported case of that.
dollyswitch
Honestly I don't think that happens that much. And I mean, think back.lot of people werent coolsharing facilities with other races. too bad
minimouse
I love when the Downvote Fairy gets caught and sent into the abyss.
ashmenon
She got hit by a stray flapping boob.
FrostyLady
I like your wit, madam! Also: 'BOOB FLAPPINESS'. Yep. That's a thing.
infiniteyams
How do you know it was him that was downvoting everyone?
aLongAndStupidNameToCatchYourAttention
And now people have been going into my profile to downvote my comments.
aLongAndStupidNameToCatchYourAttention
It wasn't even, lol.
NoiceSmart
I think these are great, and you sound like an awesome person, and thanks for sharing, and keep on being awesome.
Satsuiki
Awesome stuff you're posting. Can't wait to see the lingerie buying guide. I'm a guy who loves crossdressing and just enjoy seeing this(1)
Satsuiki
kind of stuff. I guess because I can relate.(2)
PurpleToupee
Awesome. If you ever need any makeup tips I can totally help. I love the drag/cross dressing community.
Satsuiki
I'd be scared to do makeup on my own personally. I would butcher it. If I ever wear makeup, the first time will be somebody else applying it
jrau18
It's okay to butcher it. It's so much fun! I look like a goddamn clown, but freaking love it.
PurpleToupee
if you're interesting in trying it out there are some amazing tutorials online. Check out petrilude. Or let me know I love doing drag makeup
aLongAndStupidNameToCatchYourAttention
I haven't downvoted a single comment in this post, so once again imgur is judging someone for no reason. Really nice of you.
GoBU
Quit gettin' all butthurt about your imaginary points..
aLongAndStupidNameToCatchYourAttention
I'm not talking about the points, I'm talking about the fact that, without knowing anything, people jumped the bandwagon to judge someone.
GoBU
What'd you expect, it's human nature, sad, but true, imgurians are no different, as much as we pretend to be
ipostSINSnotTRAGEDIES
Random question. Did you post an epic facebook spat on Imgur to only take it down a day or two later, about a year ago?
minimouse
Yeah I did. I got tired of the messages telling me I was a terrible person.
ipostSINSnotTRAGEDIES
I thought I recognized the name. I remember posting a pic saying you had won that day of imgur, which is why it stuck