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And not in the cute Jon Snow way
After seeing this http://imgur.com/gallery/0IHvCi5 sort of thing for the bigillionth time.
Apr 14, 2014 6:42 AM
SarahJoy
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After seeing this http://imgur.com/gallery/0IHvCi5 sort of thing for the bigillionth time.
mondaymourning
Couldn't agree more. Also, domestic violence has nothing to do with feminism. It's just wrong. Just don't hit people!
ChesterElegante
yea...person up
SarahJoy
Im really enjoying the discussion but I have to go away from my computer for a while. Ill happily answer replies when I get back though
varghast
This. Your initiall response should not be a threat, subconscious or not.
SarahJoy
PERFECT! Thats exactly what Im trying to say
Innuendobot5000
At one time the comments you typed sounded profound,and thought provoking, but the exact things you've said has since become platitudes that
Innuendobot5000
once helped the cause, but since been drastically overused and misused (misused by radicals) to a point it invokes disdain by
Innuendobot5000
many of the general public and is why,in part, why I believe feminism has become a dirty word, one that causes eye rolls and sighs.Of course
Innuendobot5000
my opinion of this subject is only for places in the world that do not have "extremes" towards women.
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SarahJoy
Um, i dont know what feminist post you are reading but thats really not most of the discussion
GildedArcher
Haha, that's definitely not true.
SwampPaladin
Just look at all the tumblr shit that gets posted on here.
GildedArcher
I haven't seen a tumblr post here that is so radical. And it definitely didn't get to the front page which means that no one agrees.
SarahJoy
I suggest you go and read some of the feminist blogs, dont go for the rad fem ones but there are some really good ones
ipudding111
I could never be a feminist, I like gentlemanly gestures and flowers too much.
SarahJoy
I suggest you read more on 3/4 wave feminism. Its important and interesting
SarahJoy
there has been a pretty interesting progression of feminist thought, 3rd wave/4th wave is 100% behind flowers and stuff if thats for you
SarahJoy
feminism dosent mean you cant like these things. If you like that go ahead and ill totally support that. Feminism is about not being sexist
noOChere
So what is feminism about?
mondaymourning
And about being a doctor if you want to. Or a housewife. And getting no judgement either way.
SarahJoy
its about questioning the current social norms and working to stop the oppression of women
noOChere
How are women being oppressed?
SarahJoy
is that a serious question? cause it if it Im more than happy to link you to some stuff
noOChere
Yes, are we talking about in America? Or worldwide?
SarahJoy
both! though Im from Australia so a lot of my stuff is from there. Let me see if I can find some USA stuff
hasthisusernamebeenchosen
It's not okay for a woman to hit a man therefore it shouldn't be okay for a man to hit a woman
SarahJoy
See thats a MUCH better way of looking at it
ILogInToUpvote
Because no one wants to admit women can be just as shitty of people as men can be.
SarahJoy
Im totally aware they can be. Im saying that 'can I hit girls' is a lazy and poorly thought out contribution to the discussion
ILogInToUpvote
Except it's frequently seen as ok for a woman to hit a man, but not for a man to hit a woman. And men aren't ever raped or abused by women.
SarahJoy
men can totally be abused by women, not as common but they can. Im not saying that it dosent happen. Im talking about a general attitude
ILogInToUpvote
And the general attitude is women can't be aggressors, only men. And if a men is being abused, he should man up.
SarahJoy
and thats terrible, but also its due to sexism. women are seen as inferior and weak so men are pressured to be 'stoic'
ILogInToUpvote
Women tend to want equality for the good stuff (wages, etc), but not for the bad stuff (child custody, blame for abuse and rape)
SarahJoy
I think it might be good for you to read more stuff written by women, from the things you have said so far I get the feeling you dont
SlimNotShady
Why not? If equality means men and women are truly equal, it would be okay for a man to hit a woman as he would a man.
SarahJoy
Well, the issue of gender equality is very complex and the current social norms are kinda messed up. Saying 'I can hit girls' is super 1/2
HighrockTendales
It's not OK for anybody to hit anybody. All other arguments are invalid.
SarahJoy
i think thats a better way to look at it (I mean, obviously some hitting is ok, consensual boxing, self defence ect)
primorph
This is offensive and oppressive to Terry Pratchett's trolls. Shame on you.
SlimNotShady
What if we are professional boxers.
SarahJoy
im totally ok with boxing as long as i dont have to do it :P My post is about the way people respond to feminism
HighrockTendales
Shit you got me.
SwampPaladin
Sooo, if some one starts a fight I just take it and don't defend myself?
HighrockTendales
If you have to hit somebody because there is no other recourse, then OK. In all other situations, no.
SarahJoy
Im actually not saying that people cant defend themselves. Im saying that if your first response to someone talking about feminism is 1/2
SarahJoy
2/2 can I hit girls, you have really missed the point
SwampPaladin
So I can't hit girls but there is equality?
SarahJoy
If your definition of equality is can i hit girls I think you missed the point.
SarahJoy
2/2 simplistic. Its liking walking to a PHD maths class and saying 'Do you know that negative numbers are a thing'. Its not helpful/relevent
kantaloupe
Why are you comparing the first reaction of an average schlub to a PHD class?
palmo
I don't see how this is a comparison to the post you linked.
SarahJoy
its a thing that is commonly said when ever someone tries to talk about feminism
palmo
You're mad at them for oversimplifying a complex issue like feminism, and you're expressing it by oversimplifying an issue of assault.
SarahJoy
Not really, Im not saying they are wrong per say, Im saying that its not a good response to people saying women are oppressed.
SarahJoy
like, 'well if we are equal then I can hit you!' Um, ok but why is that the first thing you think of/most important conclusion.
kantaloupe
Maybe you're just the kind of person people want to hit?
SarahJoy
I think thats a pretty terrible thing to assume about someone. Unless they have a big sign saying 'Hit me Im going for a record'