I wasn't allowed to read Harry Potter after the first book due to that whole Christian Canceling thing of it because "it was witchcraft". Years later I found Terry Pratchett, read his books. Grew up on them as a teen moving to 20s.
A few years back in my mid 30s, I finally got the Libby app and rented the audiobooks from my local library-
Reminder that Jeepers Kreepers Rowling decided to become the figurehead of a hate group because she couldn't handle being told she was wrong about something.
Just like TACO ran for President because of an off-the-cuff, throwaway joke Barack Obama made at a White House press dinner. The sort of thing that any reasonable person would have laughed off and let go like water rolls off a duck's back. It's amazing how thin skinned these people are. And they call us "snowflakes".
I know they don't see it this way in their own fucked up heads, but could you imagine having the choice between being a beloved author of a wildly successful series or being a hateful despised bigot and actually choosing the shitty option? Like, Rowling should have been a wonderful story of a person having nothing and then gaining success by capturing the hearts of a generation with her writing, but instead she's a story of yet another rich piece of shit spreading their misery.
People talk SO much about what people look like, or how they talk and spend SO LITTLE energy wondering if they are happy. Reframe your thinking like YESTERDAY to spend your energy on wishing happiness on others and make that your focus. What the fuck already
There are those who don't question their genetic imperative, those who do, and those who were given a completely different test. Can You grade them all? An it harm none; do as you will - that is the only law I care about.
Same here. I'm so glad I was young enough I couldn't get any Harry Potter tattoos before she revealed her ugliness. Instead I have the guarding dark from Terry Pratchett's Discworld, which is much more meaningful and Sir Terry is unlikely to be revealed as a cnut seeing as he's dead. GNU STP.
Discworld is complicated and nuanced. A lot of it goes off on the narration. For Discowrld to work we'd need a continuous narrator in the background to get the best bits between actors acting. Can you imagine passing past Vimes' boots and theory of economy just because no character is narrating that?
In the meanwhile HP is... well, a children's book, Everything simple and simplified, slave races are okay being slaves and people trying to save them are 'being annoying'.
Well Harry Potter is aimed at kids and there is a short and clear reading order. Discworld is cool, but there's also 41 novels and it's very obviously aimed at adults, and also a niche kind of adult. It's like comparing apples and oranges
Well, Discworld is a huge, fully realised, complex, nuanced setting with a rich variety of realistic and convincing cultures. Harry Potter is "Our world but what if everyone conformed to a narrow range of simple stereotypes?"
As a UK trans women i just wish she would stop, i dont even ask for learning or a apology for all the harm she has done, i just want her to stop let us recover from being attacked for a while.
If she's not shamed, or if nobody gets some punishment (not saying they should be punched... but laws againts such bs or financial loss from them being seen as what they are, assholes) they will go on and on and on and new bigots/terfs will replace the old ones.
They don't care. The only thing that works is hitting them in the wallet. Suing them into oblivion like the Sandy Hook parents did to Alex Jones, for example.
Alex Jones could be hit financially... but Rowling is far beyond financial shaming. She should be booed everywhere she goes, everytime she talks or writes something on the internet.
What I don't understand is this need of conservatives to dictate other people's lives. Why do they care so much what other people do that they need to fight about it? What do they think the would lose if they just care about their own business and let other poeple live their life how they see fit? They are so desperate to create and keep a completely pointless order and I just don't get why, as it doesn't change their own life in the slightest.
I'm starting to think it's purely due to the fact that they absolutely can't stand existing in the same world as people who are actually happy with themselves. We could create a better world, Paradise, heaven on earth if people just stopped being selfish asses, but that would mean people who aren't them or their immediate circle
What does being trans have to do with JK Rowling? It is none of her business. A person being trans DOES NOT diminish her life one bit, but her hateful words do diminish someone else's joy. If moving forward with being who they are brings joy into their life, I will applaud and celebrate them. I only hope for the best for them. Own who you are, don't back down, and seek joy in life where you can. Be fierce! But this is just advice from a straight 50-year-old white guy.
because she secretly, a bit subconciously and somewhat publicly has suggested that she wants/has wanted to be a man and has suggested so many times in the past, it angers her that any man would want to be what she was born into/as and what she wrongly believes she is "stuck" as
it would be nice if she realized that she could just be that man shes always wanted to be and apologize to the fans shes alienated but sadly this is the "identity" she adopted instead, I pity her
In her essay, Rowling writes of her own struggles with sexism and misogyny, and her adolescent sense of being “mentally sexless”, adding that reading accounts of gender dysphoria by trans men had made her wonder “if I’d been born 30 years later, I too might have tried to transition”.
No, she says she may "have been persuaded" to transition, which is the crucial point here.
But she's saying women are doing this because misogyny and sexual violence are making them feel like they're at fault for being a woman, and that they should therefore transition to being a man.
I'm going to be in my early 60s, I won't feel safe with coming out to my doctor and "transgender" going into my medical records until El Cheeto Benito is out of office.
You've completely missed the point of what she's saying, though. Her argument is that women who've been victims of male violence, or who've had other experiences of misogyny, are being pressured into transitioning so they can have easier lives as men, but that this is wrong because we should be doing more to combat misogyny in the first place.
I'm not saying she's right, but that's what she's saying, not "I wish I had the courage/opportunity to be a trans man."
Who the fuck is pressuring women to transition so they can somehow be free of misogyny? Ask literally any trans man on the planet if they faced less misogyny while transitioning. Ask them if they still don't face it.
I really, genuinely, no snark or venom believe it's because she's trans and can't accept it. I would hurt for her if she weren't hurting so many others.
“The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge. I struggled with severe OCD as a teenager. If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred”
Nah, that's nonsense. It just sounds like a variant on "homophobes are all secretly gay", which is nonsense too. Some, maybe. But there are also straight people who are just massive bigots. You do not, after all, have to be "secretly black" to be a white supremacist.
At the very least, she is deeply insecure about her gender and lashing out because she can’t face those insecurities herself. Most actually trans people are uncertain about their gender, but not necessarily insecure, and they don’t tend to lash OUT over it. Of course, being uncertain and insecure are not mutually exclusive and Rowling could very well be both.
No, they're saying it because of the JK Rowling quote they included in their post, where she literally says she can imagine a world where she transitioned to being a man & that womanhood was something to escape. Whether that's struggling with misogyny, gender dysphoria, or both... who's to say? Certainly not me. 🤷♀️
Yes, but she's not saying "I am or might be trans."
She's saying "I was vulnerable and had mental health difficulties due to being a victim of domestic violence and having a crappy dad who wanted a son instead of a daughter, so it's possible someone could have persuaded me my troubles would be solved if I were a man instead, which would have been a bad thing."
We are all aware of that. They're just reading between the lines. Regardless of what she meant to say, it's not much of a stretch to read it that way. Which is why it's not "Hey that person hates trans people! I bet they're trans even though I have zero evidence because all transphobes are secretly trans!". It's "Hey that person said they hated being a woman! I bet they're trans because that sounds like a trans experience!" Those are different things.
The entire concept of "defending" bathrooms is horrible. Nobody is going to claim to be a trans woman to peep or assault women, a male rapist is just going to walk in there and do some violence because he's a horrible person.
And when they trot out "think of the children", how about this: what you're telling me is that you want the pedophiles kept where they "belong": in the bathroom with my SON.
That's part of the point. It's not just about policing trans women, it's also about policing cis women who don't express an appropriate level of performative femininity.
Yeah just look at how women in the Harry Potter novels are described, and you'll notice that there is a very narrow definition of "femininity" that Rowling accepts as positive.
Most evil female characters are described as ugly, fat and/or having manly features... while those who are "too" feminine in looks and personality tend to be portrayed as vapid and annoying.
Also, the really problematic one; Rita Skeeter, the character who uses an illegal disguise to spy on children and is obsessed 1/
with their love lives, is described pretty much exactly the way Rowling describes people she believe to be MtF transgender. Fake nails, fake hair, heavy jaw, manly hands, etc.
I was never a HP fan, and haven't read the books, although I've seen one or two of the movies many years ago, in both cases because it's what friends wanted to watch. My familiarity with it is mostly through cultural osmosis, like someone who's never watched Star Trek might know who Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock are.
Hang on though, I'd be very careful about calling that "Holocaust denial." That phrase implies she doesn't think it happened *at all*, especially when paired with a claim of "racism."
The post she was replying to was about burning books, though, not killing people.
And the usual definition of the Holocaust is that it was specifically the genocide of Jews. It's sometimes widened to include the mass killing of other groups, including gay and trans people, but I believe it's more commonly reserved for the Jewish victims.
It's a full sleeve and I'm not a fan of the "blacked out arm" look. Those books and movies very much helped save my life so I got all inked up and she's lost getting worse and worse
If you want a "Fuck JKR" tattoo, about: "I got the sleeve before we all found out she was a TERF"? Along the lines of those bumper stickers about Elon that I've seen on the back of Teslas sometimes.
She denies portions of it having to do with the LGBTQ community... she says the Nazis never went after them.... denying any part of the holocaust is holocaust denial.
In 2022, a student named Marie-Luise Vollbrecht made claims similar to what Rowling has said, and then filed a libel lawsuit against a pro-trans group over a "Marie denies Nazi crimes" hashtag, saying they violated her rights by accusing her of Holocaust denial.
The Regional Court of Cologne ruled that denying transgender people were victims of the Nazis *does* qualify as "a denial of Nazi crimes", and she lost the lawsuit.
Yes welcome to the point of this thread. His reasoning is he doesn't deny it because it actually happened but he claims it wasn't that bad. I said he was Maga, what is your confusion?
And a plagiarist. Let me tell you about Harry Potter... A young man who learns about a secret world of witches and wizards, and must prevent the return of a dark lord who once ruled over the magical world. This is the plot of Troll, a cheesy 1984 b-grade horror flick. Weird how this basic plot sounds so very familiar, doesn't it?
This is a cute comment but it really doesn't. There are hundreds of better stories it does match and steal from! Jesus doesn't learn of a magic world, he's the one and only magical exception, nobody else gets powers under that fairytale, except to die without eternal torture, I suppose.
Jesus, canonically, is NOT the only magical thing in the world! That's a really fun and overlooked part of the bible, the bible 100% acknowledges the existence of magic people and other gods and the like. The bible only insists that YHWH is the top god, NOT the ONLY one.
Well I've only read one book series about a British child from a non-magical background who attends a magical school in a forbidden enchanted forest that only magical people can see where the mean potions teacher and the snobby elite kids hate them but they get by with the help of two fellow student best friends and a benevolent older administrator and learn spells and fly on brooms and go on magical adventures. Of course that book series is The Worst Witch (1974).
I figured as much. It doesn't really bother me. I know what the other guy was saying, that there's lots of fantasy school series out there. Sure, that's very true. But comparing specifically Troll and Harry Potter... If you boil them down to just their core plot lines, they hit in a very similar way. Rowling's world is far more compelling, sure.... But the woman is a cunt and clearly stole the basic idea. I love the Harry Potter universe, but the woman is an absolute twatwaffle.
Yeah, it sounds like an incredibly vague description of a very basic plot type. Swap out man for woman and you've literally just described the plot of the Wizard of Oz. If you read the plot synopsis of Troll, there are zero similarities other than the name Harry Potter (two incredibly common names), wizards and witches, and a "dark lord". I don't even like Harry Potter that much either, this is just an absurd claim that people latched onto because JK is a vile PoS so who cares if its true or not
I mean, nothing new beneath the sun, if you take out all the unique bits everything becomes derivative. I doubt Troll is the first one that features 1) A young protagonist 2) Going to a establishment to learn supernatural powers 3) Finds out he has some destiny 4) Said destiny involves getting in cool fights against a bad guy
Two completely unrelated comic strips, both featuring a protagonist named Denace the Menace, were first published on the same day on either side of the Atlantic.
Yeah, it's not as common as John Smith, but there are real people named "Harry Potter" before Troll and before JKR made her books.
And like I said before, a heros journey is a storytelling device ; like the story "matilda," an orphan kid with a shitty family, finds out she has magic powers, wrote in 1988
It's not a copyright able idea, so it's not plagiarism.
I read an article about his crimes recently and HOLY FUCK I had no idea. If even half of it was true, he should be in prison for a very long time, and probably forever.
When my fiancee was going through chemo, she got to meet him as a Make A Wish type thing. After she recovered, he started messaging her on twitter, sending her voice notes and offering her "babysitting jobs" and free trips to his holiday cottage. Exact experience of all the victims.
If you haven't already, you really should publish / provide those messages - the other victims really need all the supporting evidence they can get that proves he had a pattern of predatory behaviour.
Her entire backstory about being a poor abused woman writing in a Glasgow cafe, it's in complete conflict with who she is today, which leads me to believe that's either a lie or she's just become completely detached from the average woman's life that I'd sooner take advice from ChatGPT.
It's so similar to another topic we share similar views on, because she is a "feminist" cosying up to misogynists to abuse and oppress trans women. One day, probably when JK is dead 1/
Realistically, she is suffering from Nobel Disease, she was rewarded by society for her work so she assumes any shitty idea that pops into her rotting head is automatically the gospel
Some of her supporters will wake up to find their erstwhile allies have turned on them and are proposing stripping women of the right to vote, watering down and eventually deleting domestic violence laws, repealing laws on spousal rape, making abortion a criminal offence, relaxing sentencing guidelines for heterosexual pedophilia and sexual exploitation.
And they'll only have themselves to blame, and they'll have to own it when their daughter comes round trembling and in tears because her 2/
Husband has raped her and she asks; mom why is it like this, what happened? It wasn't like this when you were younger?.
They'll have to answer, well you see there was once this group of women who were born male and a couple of them did fairly okay in women's sport and so we allied with the Fuhrer and his party to get rid of them. So you can take great comfort in the knowledge that whilst you're being beaten up at home by a man you don't have a right to report, at least you can't be beaten up 3/
This is a very American view, I think. In the UK, where Rowling lives, the government's recent turn against trans rights has come about as a result of campaigns by feminist groups. We don't (at present) have a 'religious right' like the US does.
The group that bought that court case was funded by Rowling and other hard right figures. Whether she admits it or not the fact is that being anti trans is being right wing and the people sympathising with her and this group are right wing. They are all too happy to have a group who falsely claim to be feminists on their side because feminism has for decades been a left wing movement. The right loves nothing more than when one historically left wing group attacks 1/
Whatever you think of Rowling - and I agree that she is a bigot - she is not "hard right." She endorsed the Communist Party of Britain in the last election. She is also a feminist.
And there is no far-right anti-woman movement waiting in the wings to sweep to power with Rowling as a figurehead. You've made that up out of thin air.
Another. It let's them disguise their over arching malevolence behind a socially acceptable mask. Same for Israel and the groups supporting their genocide, same for Churchill and his enthusiasm for WW1 being masked by Germanys violation of Belgian neutrality, same for reform and the winter fuel payment. 2
brainkandle1
Now do Graham Linehan!
arumunus
I wasn't allowed to read Harry Potter after the first book due to that whole Christian Canceling thing of it because "it was witchcraft".
Years later I found Terry Pratchett, read his books. Grew up on them as a teen moving to 20s.
A few years back in my mid 30s, I finally got the Libby app and rented the audiobooks from my local library-
-Honestly? I was disappointed.
I'm glad I didn't grow up on those books.
Leaps
Only Nazi supporters still use twitter. Downvote tweets.
enderite
Low class cunt with all the money in the world is still a low class cunt.
Nostradamuswaswrong
https://imgur.com/Kk3DbNJ
eem5
honestly this sounds like a classic case of "I suffered and am ok so others should suffer and be ok" and not realise she is very not ok.
Bokkanb
Two c*nts
LtRooney
Reminder that Jeepers Kreepers Rowling decided to become the figurehead of a hate group because she couldn't handle being told she was wrong about something.
bikergeek6249
Just like TACO ran for President because of an off-the-cuff, throwaway joke Barack Obama made at a White House press dinner. The sort of thing that any reasonable person would have laughed off and let go like water rolls off a duck's back. It's amazing how thin skinned these people are. And they call us "snowflakes".
bonzossqueakypedal
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BlueDsc
I know they don't see it this way in their own fucked up heads, but could you imagine having the choice between being a beloved author of a wildly successful series or being a hateful despised bigot and actually choosing the shitty option? Like, Rowling should have been a wonderful story of a person having nothing and then gaining success by capturing the hearts of a generation with her writing, but instead she's a story of yet another rich piece of shit spreading their misery.
Lativa7
too much money is poison for your mind, dont know why people are freaking out when they become too rich
rbudrick
Boy George will always be a hero.
mrsdowneyjr
Do any of us know what we are doing? Do any of us "woman" or "man" consciously?
Silkyninja1
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CobainsSarcoma
christ what a stupid hateful hill to die on
Agatsu74
What even is her problem? Did a trans person bite her when she was a kid or something?
madeejit
A fanatic is someone who can't change their mind, and won't change the subject.
Saxytimes
People talk SO much about what people look like, or how they talk and spend SO LITTLE energy wondering if they are happy. Reframe your thinking like YESTERDAY to spend your energy on wishing happiness on others and make that your focus. What the fuck already
Cpthornswoggler
Wouldn't say nice. He handcuffed a male escort to a wall and beat him with a chain. Did 15 months in jail for that.
jimmymcgoochie1
I missed the context and thought you were referring to Winston Churchill for a moment.
Baalzak
Boys will be Boys.
BulgogiBolognese
(George) Boy will be(at) boys
GunnerKitten1942
And yet he's still, somehow, more open minded than JKR. Incredible.
ShiftyBat
There are those who don't question their genetic imperative, those who do, and those who were given a completely different test. Can You grade them all? An it harm none; do as you will - that is the only law I care about.
EclecticSheep
Jkr simultaneously formed my childhood and killed it. I can’t read or play hogwarts without thinking about the ugly stuff.
Thanks for nothing jkr.
GunnerKitten1942
Same here. I'm so glad I was young enough I couldn't get any Harry Potter tattoos before she revealed her ugliness. Instead I have the guarding dark from Terry Pratchett's Discworld, which is much more meaningful and Sir Terry is unlikely to be revealed as a cnut seeing as he's dead. GNU STP.
Sebastopol140
Ooooh, Boy George has entered the chat and is taking no prisoners!!!!!!!!! That was a burn! Love you!
ThisOldCPU
No prisoners you say? https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jan/16/boy-george-sentenced-handcuffing-male-escort
LadyNetrex
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7080793/Former-male-escort-chained-radiator-Boy-George-says-singer-ruined-life.html
Fhant
A burn? He bloody took a flamethrower and aimed it at that cunt!
Pathfinderdude
Pretty sure the flamethrower was just a marker for the napalm
FractalChainsaw
I hate to be that guy but Boy George very famously did take a prisoner.
RoutemasterFlash
That is very, very true.
RevolutionOnHerLips
Joanne is performing a troll idea of what a human is, while being a troll. She should crawl back under her bridge and leave the world alone.
spiritplumber
Is there any reason why Harry Potter is such a big franchise when Discworld is right there?
CedricDur
Discworld is complicated and nuanced. A lot of it goes off on the narration. For Discowrld to work we'd need a continuous narrator in the background to get the best bits between actors acting. Can you imagine passing past Vimes' boots and theory of economy just because no character is narrating that?
In the meanwhile HP is... well, a children's book, Everything simple and simplified, slave races are okay being slaves and people trying to save them are 'being annoying'.
meowingintensifies
JK stole plot points from other books: https://elftor.medium.com/harry-potter-and-the-possible-plagiarism-of-one-j-rowling-c19f1b05595c
myrealnames
The answer is that one is cognitively accessible to a far larger audience. Same as more people playing slots than chess.
SnowpersonHitInTheFaceWithALackOfCreativity
Well Harry Potter is aimed at kids and there is a short and clear reading order. Discworld is cool, but there's also 41 novels and it's very obviously aimed at adults, and also a niche kind of adult. It's like comparing apples and oranges
diemajorthrilldie
Well, Discworld is a huge, fully realised, complex, nuanced setting with a rich variety of realistic and convincing cultures. Harry Potter is "Our world but what if everyone conformed to a narrow range of simple stereotypes?"
TupacAintDead
This fucking cunt
topscienceb
As a UK trans women i just wish she would stop, i dont even ask for learning or a apology for all the harm she has done, i just want her to stop let us recover from being attacked for a while.
AntiTrollPatrol
I wish she’s just shut the fuck up.
brainkandle1
I wish someone could somehow fuck her over so she loses everything and everyone forgets who she is and rejects everything Harry Potter
Sebastopol140
If she's not shamed, or if nobody gets some punishment (not saying they should be punched... but laws againts such bs or financial loss from them being seen as what they are, assholes) they will go on and on and on and new bigots/terfs will replace the old ones.
bikergeek6249
Sadly it's impossible to shame such people.
Sebastopol140
The less stupid can be shamed, and even if they don't feel it they can hear (or read) the boos around them.
bikergeek6249
They don't care. The only thing that works is hitting them in the wallet. Suing them into oblivion like the Sandy Hook parents did to Alex Jones, for example.
Sebastopol140
Alex Jones could be hit financially... but Rowling is far beyond financial shaming. She should be booed everywhere she goes, everytime she talks or writes something on the internet.
sakasiru
What I don't understand is this need of conservatives to dictate other people's lives. Why do they care so much what other people do that they need to fight about it? What do they think the would lose if they just care about their own business and let other poeple live their life how they see fit? They are so desperate to create and keep a completely pointless order and I just don't get why, as it doesn't change their own life in the slightest.
Aerina
I'm starting to think it's purely due to the fact that they absolutely can't stand existing in the same world as people who are actually happy with themselves. We could create a better world, Paradise, heaven on earth if people just stopped being selfish asses, but that would mean people who aren't them or their immediate circle
Aerina
Would also be living well.
pfrazier21044
What does being trans have to do with JK Rowling? It is none of her business. A person being trans DOES NOT diminish her life one bit, but her hateful words do diminish someone else's joy. If moving forward with being who they are brings joy into their life, I will applaud and celebrate them. I only hope for the best for them. Own who you are, don't back down, and seek joy in life where you can. Be fierce! But this is just advice from a straight 50-year-old white guy.
zerogenix
because she secretly, a bit subconciously and somewhat publicly has suggested that she wants/has wanted to be a man and has suggested so many times in the past, it angers her that any man would want to be what she was born into/as and what she wrongly believes she is "stuck" as
it would be nice if she realized that she could just be that man shes always wanted to be and apologize to the fans shes alienated but sadly this is the "identity" she adopted instead, I pity her
catsnroombas
In her essay, Rowling writes of her own struggles with sexism and misogyny, and her adolescent sense of being “mentally sexless”, adding that reading accounts of gender dysphoria by trans men had made her wonder “if I’d been born 30 years later, I too might have tried to transition”.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jun/10/jk-rowling-says-survivor-of-domestic-abuse-sexual-assault
RoutemasterFlash
No, she says she may "have been persuaded" to transition, which is the crucial point here.
But she's saying women are doing this because misogyny and sexual violence are making them feel like they're at fault for being a woman, and that they should therefore transition to being a man.
Gaelwyn
So how does she explain male to female transitions?
RoutemasterFlash
IDK, but that's not what she's talking about here.
Zaranthan
It broke my heart the first time I read that. I'm going to be 53 by the time I can transition, it's never too late. Just get on the T.
TransThrowawayAcct
I'm going to be in my early 60s, I won't feel safe with coming out to my doctor and "transgender" going into my medical records until El Cheeto Benito is out of office.
RoutemasterFlash
You've completely missed the point of what she's saying, though. Her argument is that women who've been victims of male violence, or who've had other experiences of misogyny, are being pressured into transitioning so they can have easier lives as men, but that this is wrong because we should be doing more to combat misogyny in the first place.
I'm not saying she's right, but that's what she's saying, not "I wish I had the courage/opportunity to be a trans man."
Zaranthan
Who the fuck is pressuring women to transition so they can somehow be free of misogyny? Ask literally any trans man on the planet if they faced less misogyny while transitioning. Ask them if they still don't face it.
RoutemasterFlash
I don't know. Ask J. K. Rowling. I'm not saying she's right - I'm saying that's what she's saying, not "Ooh, I might be a bit trans, you know."
catsnroombas
I really, genuinely, no snark or venom believe it's because she's trans and can't accept it. I would hurt for her if she weren't hurting so many others.
“The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge. I struggled with severe OCD as a teenager. If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred”
eem5
honestly this sounds like a classic case of "I suffered and am ok so others should suffer and be ok" and not realise she is very not ok.
RoutemasterFlash
You're saying she's a closeted trans man?
Nah, that's nonsense. It just sounds like a variant on "homophobes are all secretly gay", which is nonsense too. Some, maybe. But there are also straight people who are just massive bigots. You do not, after all, have to be "secretly black" to be a white supremacist.
Taxicat
At the very least, she is deeply insecure about her gender and lashing out because she can’t face those insecurities herself. Most actually trans people are uncertain about their gender, but not necessarily insecure, and they don’t tend to lash OUT over it. Of course, being uncertain and insecure are not mutually exclusive and Rowling could very well be both.
Salticido
No, they're saying it because of the JK Rowling quote they included in their post, where she literally says she can imagine a world where she transitioned to being a man & that womanhood was something to escape. Whether that's struggling with misogyny, gender dysphoria, or both... who's to say? Certainly not me. 🤷♀️
RoutemasterFlash
Yes, but she's not saying "I am or might be trans."
She's saying "I was vulnerable and had mental health difficulties due to being a victim of domestic violence and having a crappy dad who wanted a son instead of a daughter, so it's possible someone could have persuaded me my troubles would be solved if I were a man instead, which would have been a bad thing."
Salticido
We are all aware of that. They're just reading between the lines. Regardless of what she meant to say, it's not much of a stretch to read it that way. Which is why it's not "Hey that person hates trans people! I bet they're trans even though I have zero evidence because all transphobes are secretly trans!". It's "Hey that person said they hated being a woman! I bet they're trans because that sounds like a trans experience!" Those are different things.
Pally01
Jk ignores the fact that butch lesbians are more likely to be called out in bathroom bans than transwomen.
Zaranthan
The entire concept of "defending" bathrooms is horrible. Nobody is going to claim to be a trans woman to peep or assault women, a male rapist is just going to walk in there and do some violence because he's a horrible person.
And when they trot out "think of the children", how about this: what you're telling me is that you want the pedophiles kept where they "belong": in the bathroom with my SON.
bikergeek6249
That's part of the point. It's not just about policing trans women, it's also about policing cis women who don't express an appropriate level of performative femininity.
DatDarthCaedus
Yeah just look at how women in the Harry Potter novels are described, and you'll notice that there is a very narrow definition of "femininity" that Rowling accepts as positive.
Most evil female characters are described as ugly, fat and/or having manly features... while those who are "too" feminine in looks and personality tend to be portrayed as vapid and annoying.
Also, the really problematic one; Rita Skeeter, the character who uses an illegal disguise to spy on children and is obsessed 1/
DatDarthCaedus
with their love lives, is described pretty much exactly the way Rowling describes people she believe to be MtF transgender. Fake nails, fake hair, heavy jaw, manly hands, etc.
bikergeek6249
I was never a HP fan, and haven't read the books, although I've seen one or two of the movies many years ago, in both cases because it's what friends wanted to watch. My familiarity with it is mostly through cultural osmosis, like someone who's never watched Star Trek might know who Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock are.
bippityboppitybuttsex
JK Rowling is a holocaust-denying racist....
theworldcouldbeflat
Twitter loves those people since elon took over, downvote tweets.
RoutemasterFlash
Hang on, Holocaust denial? Are you sure about that? I'm going to have to ask for a source because that's a new one on me.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Denial of someone's holocaust denial? That's double holocaust denial! .... /s

She doubled and tripled down after she was shown proof...
RoutemasterFlash
Hang on though, I'd be very careful about calling that "Holocaust denial." That phrase implies she doesn't think it happened *at all*, especially when paired with a claim of "racism."
bippityboppitybuttsex
Literally holocaust denial... denying a portion of the holocaust is denying the holocaust... as German courts have held:
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RoutemasterFlash
The post she was replying to was about burning books, though, not killing people.
And the usual definition of the Holocaust is that it was specifically the genocide of Jews. It's sometimes widened to include the mass killing of other groups, including gay and trans people, but I believe it's more commonly reserved for the Jewish victims.
whatexactlyisthefunctionofarubberduck
Holocaust Denise?
MadamPuddifoot
She is a holocaust denier, too? I'm gonna have to chop off my right arm. Or get a "fuck jk Rowling" one
bikergeek6249
You could get it covered up, or get laser removal?
Badprenup
Cover up is definitely cheaper. It's also faster and less painful
MadamPuddifoot
It's a full sleeve and I'm not a fan of the "blacked out arm" look. Those books and movies very much helped save my life so I got all inked up and she's lost getting worse and worse
bikergeek6249
If you want a "Fuck JKR" tattoo, about: "I got the sleeve before we all found out she was a TERF"? Along the lines of those bumper stickers about Elon that I've seen on the back of Teslas sometimes.
bippityboppitybuttsex
She denies portions of it having to do with the LGBTQ community... she says the Nazis never went after them.... denying any part of the holocaust is holocaust denial.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Source:
imakesoap
Good lord, what an idiot she is
DatDarthCaedus
What she said would be illegal in Germany.
In 2022, a student named Marie-Luise Vollbrecht made claims similar to what Rowling has said, and then filed a libel lawsuit against a pro-trans group over a "Marie denies Nazi crimes" hashtag, saying they violated her rights by accusing her of Holocaust denial.
The Regional Court of Cologne ruled that denying transgender people were victims of the Nazis *does* qualify as "a denial of Nazi crimes", and she lost the lawsuit.
DatDarthCaedus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_Nazi_Germany#Denialism
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SuperfluousMeh
That's how my sibling gets around it, he says it "wasn't that bad". He's maga, no surprise.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Minimizing the holocaust is denial....
SuperfluousMeh
Yes welcome to the point of this thread. His reasoning is he doesn't deny it because it actually happened but he claims it wasn't that bad. I said he was Maga, what is your confusion?
TheUnnamedPoet
And a plagiarist. Let me tell you about Harry Potter... A young man who learns about a secret world of witches and wizards, and must prevent the return of a dark lord who once ruled over the magical world. This is the plot of Troll, a cheesy 1984 b-grade horror flick. Weird how this basic plot sounds so very familiar, doesn't it?
DeadeicPrints
Oh man. That was easily one of my top 10 favorite movies as a kid. There were times I thought it was a fever dream for some reason.
shitheadtookmyname
Ummm your summary is so vague it describes Jesus Christ too
WizBardBarian
This is a cute comment but it really doesn't. There are hundreds of better stories it does match and steal from! Jesus doesn't learn of a magic world, he's the one and only magical exception, nobody else gets powers under that fairytale, except to die without eternal torture, I suppose.
trondason1
Jesus, canonically, is NOT the only magical thing in the world! That's a really fun and overlooked part of the bible, the bible 100% acknowledges the existence of magic people and other gods and the like. The bible only insists that YHWH is the top god, NOT the ONLY one.
bippityboppitybuttsex
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(1986_film)
RoutemasterFlash
It's not *that* similar, is it? And don't you think she would have changed the name, if she'd intentionally ripped off the film?
As far as the names go, well coincidences happen, don't they. Try looking up the history of Denace the Menace.
TheUnnamedPoet
Shit. 86. My bad. lol
4dhzm4ytkx127001
The characters name in the movie was Harry Potter!!!
Read the plot section of the movie. Holy shit she didn’t even change the names.
keebs63
??? Reading the plot section, other than the name and involving wizards, nothing is even remotely similar about them lmao.
MevNav
The idea of 'magical school of witches and wizards' has also been done a few times before as well.
TheDisembodiedFloatingHeadOfEdwardGRobinson
Well I've only read one book series about a British child from a non-magical background who attends a magical school in a forbidden enchanted forest that only magical people can see where the mean potions teacher and the snobby elite kids hate them but they get by with the help of two fellow student best friends and a benevolent older administrator and learn spells and fly on brooms and go on magical adventures. Of course that book series is The Worst Witch (1974).
TheUnnamedPoet
How many of them were named Harry Potter with the plot point of stopping a dark lord from returning to rule the world?
doktorivan210
I know you're getting downvoted, but people don't know the protagonist in Troll (1986) is named Harry Potter
TheUnnamedPoet
I figured as much. It doesn't really bother me. I know what the other guy was saying, that there's lots of fantasy school series out there. Sure, that's very true. But comparing specifically Troll and Harry Potter... If you boil them down to just their core plot lines, they hit in a very similar way. Rowling's world is far more compelling, sure.... But the woman is a cunt and clearly stole the basic idea. I love the Harry Potter universe, but the woman is an absolute twatwaffle.
RayneOfSalt
Doesn't she also use the name of the guy who created "conversion therapy" as a pen name?
keebs63
Yeah, it sounds like an incredibly vague description of a very basic plot type. Swap out man for woman and you've literally just described the plot of the Wizard of Oz. If you read the plot synopsis of Troll, there are zero similarities other than the name Harry Potter (two incredibly common names), wizards and witches, and a "dark lord". I don't even like Harry Potter that much either, this is just an absurd claim that people latched onto because JK is a vile PoS so who cares if its true or not
albaboss
As I get deeper into LOTR I constantly think “this reminds me of HP!” and I’m disappointed with her lack of originality
trondason1
I mean, nothing new beneath the sun, if you take out all the unique bits everything becomes derivative. I doubt Troll is the first one that features 1) A young protagonist 2) Going to a establishment to learn supernatural powers 3) Finds out he has some destiny 4) Said destiny involves getting in cool fights against a bad guy
TheN8
5) is also called Harry Potter
Moose79
That's not plagiarism, even if she did see this movie, a heros journey is a storytelling device, not an IP
Just how Warcraft has orcs,elves, and dwarfs without Tolkins estate being mad
TheN8
The protagonist in Troll is named Harry Potter.
RoutemasterFlash
Two completely unrelated comic strips, both featuring a protagonist named Denace the Menace, were first published on the same day on either side of the Atlantic.
Moose79
Yeah, it's not as common as John Smith, but there are real people named "Harry Potter" before Troll and before JKR made her books.
And like I said before, a heros journey is a storytelling device ; like the story "matilda," an orphan kid with a shitty family, finds out she has magic powers, wrote in 1988
It's not a copyright able idea, so it's not plagiarism.
TheN8
Fuck off with your bullshit.
terribleferalfox
People should also look at Harry Potter side by side with Neil Gaiman's Books of Magic
bikergeek6249
Another author who's problematic but in a different way. :(
RoutemasterFlash
I read an article about his crimes recently and HOLY FUCK I had no idea. If even half of it was true, he should be in prison for a very long time, and probably forever.
MyRespectableAlterEgo
When my fiancee was going through chemo, she got to meet him as a Make A Wish type thing. After she recovered, he started messaging her on twitter, sending her voice notes and offering her "babysitting jobs" and free trips to his holiday cottage. Exact experience of all the victims.
He was trying to groom a Make A Wish teenager.
Let that sentence sink in.
TheN8
If you haven't already, you really should publish / provide those messages - the other victims really need all the supporting evidence they can get that proves he had a pattern of predatory behaviour.
bikergeek6249
Holy shit that's horrific. I'm sorry that that happened to her.
FrancsTireur
She's disgusting.
Her entire backstory about being a poor abused woman writing in a Glasgow cafe, it's in complete conflict with who she is today, which leads me to believe that's either a lie or she's just become completely detached from the average woman's life that I'd sooner take advice from ChatGPT.
It's so similar to another topic we share similar views on, because she is a "feminist" cosying up to misogynists to abuse and oppress trans women. One day, probably when JK is dead 1/
bippityboppitybuttsex
Money corrupts, absolutely.
RoutemasterFlash
I don't think it's that. Plenty of creative people have reminded decent after being very commercially successful.
RoutemasterFlash
*remained, I mean
bippityboppitybuttsex
Realistically, she is suffering from Nobel Disease, she was rewarded by society for her work so she assumes any shitty idea that pops into her rotting head is automatically the gospel
FrancsTireur
Some of her supporters will wake up to find their erstwhile allies have turned on them and are proposing stripping women of the right to vote, watering down and eventually deleting domestic violence laws, repealing laws on spousal rape, making abortion a criminal offence, relaxing sentencing guidelines for heterosexual pedophilia and sexual exploitation.
And they'll only have themselves to blame, and they'll have to own it when their daughter comes round trembling and in tears because her 2/
FrancsTireur
Husband has raped her and she asks; mom why is it like this, what happened? It wasn't like this when you were younger?.
They'll have to answer, well you see there was once this group of women who were born male and a couple of them did fairly okay in women's sport and so we allied with the Fuhrer and his party to get rid of them. So you can take great comfort in the knowledge that whilst you're being beaten up at home by a man you don't have a right to report, at least you can't be beaten up 3/
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RoutemasterFlash
This is a very American view, I think. In the UK, where Rowling lives, the government's recent turn against trans rights has come about as a result of campaigns by feminist groups. We don't (at present) have a 'religious right' like the US does.
FrancsTireur
I'm British.
And trans.
The group that bought that court case was funded by Rowling and other hard right figures. Whether she admits it or not the fact is that being anti trans is being right wing and the people sympathising with her and this group are right wing. They are all too happy to have a group who falsely claim to be feminists on their side because feminism has for decades been a left wing movement. The right loves nothing more than when one historically left wing group attacks 1/
RoutemasterFlash
Whatever you think of Rowling - and I agree that she is a bigot - she is not "hard right." She endorsed the Communist Party of Britain in the last election. She is also a feminist.
And there is no far-right anti-woman movement waiting in the wings to sweep to power with Rowling as a figurehead. You've made that up out of thin air.
FrancsTireur
Another. It let's them disguise their over arching malevolence behind a socially acceptable mask. Same for Israel and the groups supporting their genocide, same for Churchill and his enthusiasm for WW1 being masked by Germanys violation of Belgian neutrality, same for reform and the winter fuel payment. 2