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I mean it just seems if we are ever to evolve past this shit bird stage we seem to be in why not let science give us a boost.
Jan 23, 2019 9:13 PM
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I mean it just seems if we are ever to evolve past this shit bird stage we seem to be in why not let science give us a boost.
NarsilThatWasBroken
Do you want Intelligent Design? 'Cause that's how you get Intelligent Design.
Malloon
On the one hand, increasing the divide between rich and poor, on the other having all rich people be smart might not be such a bad thing.
Volverinehard
Another interesting eugenics fact. Yao Ming was born from an eugenics experiment by the Chinese gov. Sound bs, but true.
MarkSoupial
justakonsept
So we should trust your feelings when it comes to science and the future of the human race..
tipsfromatwentysomething
Unpopular opinion (I think): disease exists to keep the population in check. Until we can deal with more people we should be focussed on QoL
P50Juan
Look at you, horrible, horrible, man-puffin hybrid! This is what happens when you open that Pandora’s Box!
ASneakyTurtle
As an individual unlucky enough to be born with a genetic heart arrhythmia, I’m all for DNA mods with hopes my kids won’t carry this risk
SmolTenk
In vitro fertilization?
saturnscape
I dont trust the government and I dont want some imperfect human to fuck with HUMAN DNA. I feel like its mental illness.
CaffeinatedSlacker
Next up on MTV43, "Pimp yo' baby"
MindOfMobius
Neo-eugenics movement incoming
MindOfMobius
Is this or is this not exactly what this is?
Volverinehard
Interesting somewhat related fact. The brunette chick in ABBA is a "libensborn". Nazi program pairing SS officers with swedish models.
Volverinehard
*lebensborn
BelfryBats
Well it is a mixed bag of potential scifi horror so a cautious approach is probably a good idea.
Yokonui
the biggest concern I have as a transhumanist is cost. I'm concerned with how it may deepen class divide if all the rich people 1/2
Yokonui
suddenly gain the ability to live forever, be smarter, faster, stronger, ect than the common man. Given engineering is probs gonna be pricey
SmolTenk
That is, until they find a way to make people compliant. Bet that treatment will be dirt cheap.
BestUsernameICouldThinkOf
jnxinthewoods
This is Imgur, ffs; why isn't this top comment?
Nomad33
Human trials are highly regulated. The tech is not ready for human trials yet. Most of what you are hearing is just over hyped BS.
KQRNEL
Seems kinda inevitable anyways, but the consequences are not so clear yet.
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
If it was ready now, it'd mean I could reproduce. I have some genes from my father I don't want to pass on to any children.
Orthy
Every dollar spent on something other than genetically modifying the human genome to create catgirls is a damn shame.
FrogBotherer
'Because eugenics" probably. Although preventing genetic diseases is an order of magnitude simpler than altering physical attributes.
walteCheeseLifter
"Why should we not create a master race and cull the herd of genetically inferior races?" Yeah, the Nazis claimed that's too...
sassybeckalicious
the idea isn't bad - but execution - access - side effects - all major hurdles. a town of 1000 people, go for it.
MyBigMouth
If we can have no nerves in our teeth and grow new ones at will like sharks, I'm all for it.
ThisIsNoCave
Did you ever see the Ethan Hawke/Uma Thurman movie Gattaca?
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
Yes becuase movies are definitely a valid argument for something....
ThisIsNoCave
Yes, because some movies raise legit ethical questions and explore possible rammifications of different decisions.
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
Its the future of our species. People need to get over this "WeRE PlaYInG GOd" bullshit. Why should we not cure genetic diseases?
mysteriouslynotmysterious
This type of technology will only be available to people who can afford it. Leaving a massive class division
ialwaysexpectthespanishinqusition
I say let’s proceed carefully cause we’re not playing god we’re playing science and science can fuck up.
tipsfromatwentysomething
We’re already beginning to struggle with dense and ageing populations. We need to figure out agriculture, water management, and
tipsfromatwentysomething
Environmental protection, before we can start extending human existence. At the least be able to colonise other planets
SmolTenk
If I had access to gene editing I would be much more interested in erasing "bad thoughts".
iMuteMorons
If only we could take all the people who would rather that technology stopped progressing and move them to their own Amish nation...
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
Preferably on the moon.
iMuteMorons
I mean, if you can convince them that the rocket is really just a big wagon...
isitworthitthenlemmelurkit
You seriously can’t fathom the downside of fucking with our DNA and creating super diseases or horrifying eugenics programs?
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
We will fix them if they become a reality.
isitworthitthenlemmelurkit
Lol. Like we’ve fixed income inequality and anti-vaxxers?
Mentok
We don't know what we're doing, we could not cure anything and/or create new ones.
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
We can't know unless we try. We'll fix any new ones we introduce down the line.
pallentx
Exactly. No one is against curing disease. Its the fear of unintended consequences that don't show up for a while.
pallentx
like a gene that cures breast cancer, but oh, it makes all your kids autistic.
CaffeinatedSlacker
While I agree with you God Emperor, there is the questions of 'Who decides what?' and 'How much should the genome be modded?'
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
Scientists with expertise in the subject, and as much as they deem necessary.
SmolTenk
Define "scientists". What fields are we talking about?
CaffeinatedSlacker
Who bankrolls those scientists? We've already seen the sugar industry influence scientific agenda over the years.
MindOfMobius
If access is equitable, sure. But a class of super humans subjugating the dumb non-gmo peeps could happen.
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
...And?
MindOfMobius
Implying that having super human overlords is ok?
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
Humans have had aristocracies forever. We still do. It's not a problem.
MindOfMobius
It is definitely a problem.
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
THEY'RE DISEASES!
exlurker42
The biggest issue right now is that we haven't mapped the genome well enough to be sure we're not introducing something even worse.
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
We can research and fix any mistakes along the way.
exlurker42
if by "fix" you mean "break multiple humans horribly and try again on the next batch which may or may not fix it", sure.
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
Unfortunately yes. Scientific progress may not always be pretty.
Reignofdorkness
This. however that does not mean we shouldnt do more research.
exlurker42
Absolutely agreed.
Mentok
Testing and experimenting on cells is one thing, but to fuck with a living breathing human is too far.
TheMaskedRaven
I object! Reproduction is absolutely within ethical limitations!
Mentok
There's 2 people making a kid to raise it, and there's a dude making a kid in a lab, just to see what happens when he does this thing.
TheMaskedRaven
Ah, but there's no copulation involved in the latter situation. Thus no humans are fucked.
Mentok
LOL you got me there!
Mentok
What happens to the kid? Who takes care of him if he's disabled? Or develops health problems.
exlurker42
The big objections are A) It's not fully understood so accidents and B) a huge leap in class distinction, think Gattaca.
secretcucumberpocket
This.
MindOfMobius
that second one tho
DrRad
While those are the objections, they are shit objections. This will happen. The only question is if it is completely unchecked or not.
exlurker42
Okay
HaikuCarChase
We also run the risk of dissolving the boundary of what defines our species. Look at what they did to pugs with normal breeding in 100 yrs.
exlurker42
I suppose, although I honestly don't see that boundary as particularly important.
isitworthitthenlemmelurkit
Also, to be awful, there are already wayyyyyy too many of us for this planet. Not sure we need even more living even longer.
DamnedAustin
That's not true. The planet can easily support us. We're a greedy species that's bad at resource distribution.
exlurker42
...ish. production wise the planet can support more sustainably. We'd have to get less greedy, though which seems unlikely.
MindOfMobius
We do have too many uneducated and greedy people, problem ends there.
MindOfMobius
overpopulation is a myth
isitworthitthenlemmelurkit
Man, even if this is true (which garbage pits the size of Texas in ocean sort of refute) can we afford to be wrong about it?
MindOfMobius
Resource distribution is a problem and being sustainable and responsible is a problem. We can feed 11 billion today. 1/2
MindOfMobius
And we could fit everyone on earth in downtown LA, albeit uncomfortably, but the point remains, we don’t have a shortage of space or resourc