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eastend666
Get ready to down-vote: I cringe every time I see gratuitous smoking on screen. Always looks like big tobacco's product placement.
NotASecretVampire
Well the complaint I believe was made by a non smoking organization. It's kind of their thing.
CptnCrunch
Oh outrage culture. You so crazy.
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
AknottheMangalore
Again get over this people. Its incorrect and you need to find QUALITY information.
VanDerGroot
It wouldn't take many complaints for me to want to skip having smoky sets.
tyrunn
...except where historically or artistically relevant. Fucking click bait
cogitoro
I think they think teenagers are more likely to imitate smoking than to imitate sodomizing people with a broom handle.
MostlyJeffGoldblum
You're more likely to smoke after seeing it than commit suicide or sodomy. It's legal and readily available.
LizardEnterprises
Also, suicides did spike after 13 reasons came out, so like, that argument only supports curtailing on-screen smoking.
wastedpoptart
Didn’t media glorification of suicide also lead to increased rates in the early 00s as well? I vaguely remember that from somewhere.
Fatkats93
Who really cares if it's there or if it's not?
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
IMayNotKnowWhatIAmTalkingAbout
What they're not telling you is the new setting will be in the 2000s when everyone 30+ years old. And there will be less smoking.
acertainjenesaisquoi
It's because there is direct correlation between seeing smoking in popular media, and taking up smoking at a younger age.
acertainjenesaisquoi
Yeah it might "ruin" a show, but it might also be a factor in stopping the tobacco industry altogether.
LizardEnterprises
Considering the spike in suicides after 13 reasons why came out, this is actually a pretty good argument *for* cutting down on smoking.
blaChek
Netflix also removed scenes from 13 reasons why because it was triggering people
Seanspeed
I'm happy about this. Smoking is worthless and terrible and such a minor little change shouldn't warrant any outrage.
Groznek
I bet people wouldn't actually notice if they didn't say anything.
Seanspeed
People who have friends/family that have died of lung cancer might feel differently.
Groznek
I mean it positively. I feel like people complaining about the smoking being tuned down probably wouldn't actually notice if they did so
Seanspeed
But that's the point - NOT having smoking should be the norm. It shouldn't be noticeable.
Groznek
without saying they were doing so.
Revergo
For the EIGHTEENTH TIME, they said they will not take cigarettes out of shows where it would be appropriate due to setting, like Narcos
Camoose
Too be fair, the smoking is more likely to kill the average person compared to the other two happening to them.
jerner15
We live in a world where crazy shit is happening but we can't get over Netflix reducing smoking in the next season for almost a month now?
iamthisguy247
I saw a post yesterday mocking how someone said Black Panther was the first black led blockbuster. No it wasnt true, but it’s been 1.5 years
KartFnocker
hell no, we've got to be outraged about outrage culture
Darkspire
That's exactly what this is. Plenty of real people with real problems, but clearly this is a sign that everyone has it so good.
EMTMarv
kawaiizombeh
this is upsetting me, why does he continue to smoke but doesnt exhale
EMTMarv
Here's the rest of the gif if it eases you a bit
YevKaseem
Damn, which episode was that?
Imjusthereforrecipes
How long has it been since this was reposted and on the FP for the 10th time?
Hovencloof
It is accurate to the period to show everyone smoking, but it has little to do with the plot or the acting. In MadMen, everyone was /2
Hovencloof
always puffing away. It was accurate but a bit upsetting. There were several characters that died of lung cancer as well.
ChrisMorray
Wait wtf? Sodomized with a broom handle? Is it 13 reasons why's second season? That show was terrible to the core.
tommygilbert600
The broom scene rather belongs to a prison movie.
theyar
No, this show is about what all teens are going through in a typical American high school.
tommygilbert600
I mean that this scene doesn't fit well in this series.
Regflex
The... the fucking broom scene... there is a hell and the writers of that season deserve it.
Snarknado
You don't think something like that could happen to somebody like that IRL?
arifmez
*Spoilers* Yeah, it's in the second season. They do it to the camera boy, who later on wants to go and shoot up the school at the dance.
Someshithead241
Who is stopped by the power of friendship. That show is terrible in many ways, especially in the ways of how it portrays things in ways you
Someshithead241
Are specifically told not to portray because it is extremely fucking dangerous.
Jekyllsgone
That and the bathtub scene seemed to me like a “see it’s easy, you can do it too, no problem” kind of message for people with suicidal ideas
Someshithead241
It's said not to show that stuff for that exact reason, because it can result in a lot of copycats and push people towards it.
ChrisMorray
I knew it. That show has shown me that netflix is willing to mention difficult topics but not willing to dig in to the dread related to it.
ChrisMorray
I watched the entire first season waiting for the main character to get roasted as a worthless bystander, but they went the opposite route
ChrisMorray
Where he "did everything right" and he "was perfect" which pisses me off.
PuzzleheadedTowel
Oh, I thought it was Mindhunter because there were some polaroids in the first episode of a boy being raped with a broom. Apparently 1/
PuzzleheadedTowel
Netflix is just into that kind of shit
iamthisguy247
Funny enough, the criticism was minimal, and they came to this decision quick. But the people reposting complaints about it has lasted weeks
zoezoebelle
Amazing how angry smokers get about discouraging people from getting lung cancer.
princesssmartypants
"I don't care about this thing so it makes me better than people who care about this thing!"
SarahDactyl82
Classic outrage
McGreed
They need to learn to tell them to go fuck themselves and enjoy the art of the movies depicting thing correctly.
Walfas
Yes, because the criticism lasts until the show is changed and that change lasts forever.
Darkspire
People love outrage porn. Makes 'em feel superior.
Ninjafrog
If you can feel angry about something unimportant on the internet it distracts you from all that's wrong in your own life.
NegentropyX
...and that of others, which is the real purpose.
Darkspire
Also true.
pronoun
Eh, people will repost anything, they're not necessarily fans that are complaining.
reineseele
One person can be smart. groups of people are just stupid basterds. or something like it. tl;dr stupid consent. back in the days was "smoke"
iamthisguy247
The thing we don’t know yet, is if they are toning it down, how much? Is there a balance of showing less but still enough to be authentic?
reineseele
yeah i still miss that they never showed the war against cthulu on american soil. authentic it should be. ;)
HerrBisch
My wife watched 13 Reasons Why... why did the sodomy occur?!
NSAgent
Maybe it’s different because the good guys smoke?
Caerphilian1
I've heard they've taken out the suicide scene from 13 reasons
Metallica93
Smoking thing is fine. I just don't like that they altered the suicide scene from that other show. That is one slippery ass slope.
ThirdWindTwice
They did. Confirmed.
theyar
They made much less explicit. Which kind of missed the point I think.
ZiggyStardust80085
Honestly, as a smoker, this did kind of bothered me. I constantly wanted to smoke one as well
AnnieBahde
Hi, I did research the first time this quote was posted. The campaign was led by the Truth Initiative, a non profit tobacco control org that
ThatNoPicklePeeThatNoPumpARum
Yeah but people don't like science or facts here they just want to whine about "outrage culture" when they're the outrage.
AnnieBahde
I figure that’s why I’m being downvoted. Less satisfying to get outraged when you realize maybe you’re the whiner in the situation.
LiteralVampirePotBellyGoblins
Get out of here with your facts and logic and sources
acertainjenesaisquoi
Gedda fuck outta here with your science, and facts, ya freakin prevert
acertainjenesaisquoi
Also, totally agree and the research is easy to find in multiple studies in multiple respected journals.
isneezewheniseefalseposts
They're the PETA of the smoking world.
isneezewheniseefalseposts
You can downvote me, but you know it's true. :^)
Heydudewhatup
I agree so I'll bravely upvote sir.
AnnieBahde
was funded by the settlement between AGs of 46 states and the tobacco industry. Their primary goal is to prevent youth smoking. They have
smoove6801
Yes everytime I see something on TV I want to do it too. Remember Steve o from jackass. I need a hot wheel now! Why cant I be the Martian 2
AnnieBahde
Based this campaign on scientific research linking depictions of smoking in media to an increase in youth smoking. Their campaign is
AnnieBahde
Supported by the CDC and the US Surgeon General. This isn’t a story about outrage culture or a few whiny twits on Twitter.
Lycanthian
I can’t see the Truth organization in a good light after all the ads they put out where they bend information to better fit their message
AnnieBahde
One of the studies they cite: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC60983/#!po=15.4762
Kaysmira
Thank you for sharing.
stinkingyeti
Well done on the research.
AnnieBahde
Where I originally got a lot of this info: http://www.healthline.com/health-news/can-onscreen-smoking-influence-viewers-to-light-up-too
LizardEnterprises
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EternalAzhrei
Annie, thank you for veing the type of person you are: awake and aware. If more people were as informed as you, we'd be much better off.
Schokioki
Was looking for someone to point this out. +1
KrispyOG
I get so tired of everyone catering to these crybabies. Am I the only who one in this situation would say grow the fuck up or grow a pair?
daudia42
I see it all the time. 5% complaining and all of the sudden the rest have to conform.
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
Or just the responsible ones looking out for other people
WaterUnderTheRocketAppliances
Tell them to have a refreshing cigarette
mikeatike
Which set of crybabies are we referring to here?
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
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mikeatike
You mean cry about people being against smoking?
bolobass
RodinMaths
right!? there are far too many!
RodinMaths
You are not the only one. I sense a sentiment shift that's picking up steam, though
OOSpaceDwarf
I heard 0 complaints anywhere about the smoking, and non-stop weeks of reposting complaints about its removal so you're probbably right
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
RodinMaths
thanks kind stranger!
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
Please forward all credit to @AnnieBahde, their comment chain is on this post. I just felt like there were people who needed to read it
NotABadLookingNarcissist
There’s one group that takes the cake in trying to censor art and cinema...far right Christians - The most specialist of snowflakes
The5lacker
Are you feeling a bit triggered by people complaining?
GoldFrieza
#Triggered
NotABadLookingNarcissist
*By people exercising their free speech ;)
pareidoliaperson
Are there smoking or adults in that show? Both do not bother, since I heard this is set in 80's?
pareidoliaperson
Are there smoking kids* or adults in that show? Both do not bother me*, since I heard this is set in 80's?
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
daimomusic
Thanks you
akbrewer
Nope but you gotta pander to the loudest
Swingset09
Ah, the Disney way
Jagerbeast
You really don't tho
akbrewer
Just seems to be the general course if action these days
darkangel1337
It's 'course of', not 'course if'...
GeminiSprk
Because corporations are keen on exploiting the stupid.
PapiChuloNumeroUno
Because corporations are keen on making as much money as possible* FTFY
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
It is official, the majority of imgur is now the old generation.
Crossman22
I'm getting tired of hearin you cry about crybabies
kodiakpryde
no, if i was in charge ar netflix after the snowflake storm litterally every liveing thing in the next show would be smoking, have a candy
kodiakpryde
cigarette in their mouth or be buying cigarettes, someone would be halucinationg that everyone WAS a cigarette etc
Bruhbeans
K
Seanspeed
Yes, you being a crybaby over this situation totally makes you tough.
WoeToHice
Ninjafrog
Am I the only one who Cries at this meme at this every time?
BlackTrashTiger
But the smoking indoors is what makes Stranger Things' setting so immersive.
globalstorm
same for broom handle and bathtub
akbrewer
I can smell it as I watch. Like I'm back in my friends trailer and his dad is huffing through a pack of pall mall unfiltered. I want a smoke
Homodinosaurstepdad
You know you got a problem when you’re smoking pall malls......unfiltered no less lol
Camelspotting
There are so few people smoking, how do you get past such blatant revisionism?
ThatTransformersDude
It's what sold me when I was watching Mad Men, and how I grew up in a time when it was still common at home. The details matters
LizardEnterprises
You don't get to claim immersivity in a show about supernatural monsters invading small towns. Its nostalgic, not realistic.
LizardEnterprises
At least, unless you can find a town that got overrun by monsters in the 80s.
Keltic69
I mean it is the 80's.
Fadedtico
Obvious comment is obvious. Are you a bot?
Flabort
How about you?
Keltic69
Did someone not have their coffee this morning?
Blaw777
Ooooonnnlllyyyy oooonnneeee ccccuuuupppp, hhhhheeeellllppppp, sssseeennndddd cccccooofffeee
terriblethunderlizards
Id like you to know that mornings are for coffee and contemplation.
Keltic69
COFFEE AND CONTEMPLATION.
YurMomsUserName
Exactly, the smoking is about being true to the era
DarkBusterBaron
like people being attracted to Billy he would be considered highly unattractive today but in the 80's the opposite is true.
YurMomsUserName
He’s styled to look a lot like a young Rob Lowe
LizardEnterprises
Yeah. Like all the monsters. So true. Because thats a thing that happened. All the time.
Pevinsghost
Having a believable setting makes setting aside disbelief for the sake of enjoying the fantastical elements of the story easier.
LizardEnterprises
The setting is still believable without cigs. There was more to the 80s than nicotine addiction.