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JustAwfulThings
What's wrong with private, intimate photos? Nothing. There is no bad example set. The dumb part was assuming anything online is 100% safe.
jkbsn
Fucking wha? Upvote for effort, downvote*2 for message. Of course people have a right to privacy and the comments above show consensus there
ComicBookGirl10
I don't see anything wrong with what she did in the privacy of her own home. I see something wrong with people violating her privacy.
Gavin1453
The focus is on crime prevention, not the crime itself is because it is uncontroversial to state the latter as immoral.
HumbletheGreat
PRIVACY MOTHERFUCKER! DO YOU HAVE IT?
M0MUS
"Not proud of"? I've had sex with lots of women and I was very happy, proud even, but that doesn't mean I want people seeing photos.
BatmansFirstEnemyWasCalledManBat
You're proud of the act and not of the photos? I understand what the guy means, but, it's hard to put into words... y'know?
M0MUS
I really don't see how any of the celebs were doing anything to be ashamed of, but I can understand not wanting other people seeing the pics
CaptainHanderpants
IN this day in age, expect that ANYTHING you make accessible to the internet can and WILL be hijacked. My HDD is only USB accessible ftr.
changemyusernameplease
That's not the point. The photos are important, not the act itself.
freshlancer
This is really simple. She took pictures that were not meant for you. If you have them, it's because you have stolen goods. Simple.
Gavin1453
The focus is on crime prevention, not the crime itself is because it is uncontroversial to state the latter as immoral.
freshlancer
I agree with you - the sad point is the willingness of however many thousands readily snatched up the private property of others readily.
JhericFury
Being ashamed of something and wanting privacy are not the same. I'm not ashamed that i masturbate, doesn't mean i'd want an audience.
Monochron
This is the wrong argument, and it's getting kind of ridiculous. This isn't about taking them, it's about understanding security...
dcexistential
Some days, imgur... some days your hypocrisy and lack of respect for others' privacy is too much for me to handle.
schizznatt
Nah, they're fairly consistent with disrespecting women.
aa16protester
this is the equivalent of saying the way she was dressed was asking for it :/
Dipityseren
Yeah, right? So so right. It's got that same feel as she/he was bad so they deserve what they got. Shit made me want to vomit.
YourMoneyOrYourLife
Nobody should leak your nudes. Nobody should get raped. But shit happens and you have to take the precautions to protect yourself.
Grifter21
no its not and I really wish people would stop comparing stolen pics to someone being raped.
yarfyarf
Who says they're not proud of them? The fact is, hacking private property and stealing stuff that doesn't belong to you is a crime. End of.
Gavin1453
I agree, that was poor wording on the author's part in his/ her description of the information.
MauriceMoss
Nobody is arguing that point.
IronsideSam
the thing is its not a morals issue. There's nothing wrong with taking nudes. The issue here is the invasion of privacy.
CaptainHanderpants
You have kids? I do and I most certainly don't want them to think sending those are okay until they know the consequences. That being (1)
CaptainHanderpants
said, I feel bad for those who were exposed during this. I'm not going to pretend to completely empathize though when the internet is (2)
CaptainHanderpants
filled with all sorts of people whose sole purpose is to pry into the lives of others. Privacy is an illusion when it's preceeded by the (3)
CaptainHanderpants
word "internet"
perceptualmotion
This is terrible. Blaming these people is WAY more morally upsetting than anything they did in any of those pictures or taking the pictures.
Gavin1453
The focus is on crime prevention, not the crime itself is because it is uncontroversial to state the latter as immoral.
vaginapower
If I didn't look like a sack of flour I'd probably have naked pictures.
johncandy12
"It's a public figure making a record of something they wouldn't be proud of" BULLSHIT!!
M0MUS
I also object to "proud of". I'm proud of the sex I've had but that doesn't mean I want people looking at photos of me doing it
johncandy12
Not like they were saved to imgur.
Gavin1453
I agree, his / her wording was inadequate. " a record of what they would prefer the public not to see" would have been better.
johncandy12
I actually misread it and I'm surprised that comment of mine got any upvotes. I thought they were saying "cloud=public info".
johncandy12
In no way does that make them public. It was saved to what was supposed to be a secure place and they pictures were TAKEN out of that.
Gavin1453
Supposed to be secure and actually secure are entirely different. Crime prevention depends on discerning the difference.
itsamazing
it's like someone going into a private safe and taking the stuff in it, sure your safe combination might have been 0000
johncandy12
I wouldn't say that it's quite that easy, but most would assume the cloud was safe before hearing about this.
Gavin1453
They have not been paying proper attention to online developments, then. If Google's corp. emails can be hacked, assume yours can be too.
itsamazing
but it's still the burglar that committed the crime. It's not the victims' fault and it's time we stopped blaming them for it.
thecolonels
We all agree on that, its just this: If i had a picture i did not want to get out, and knew people would be looking for it...cloud storage?
Chixiepixie
With apple devices many things auto-upload. One of the victims said she deleted the images years ago.
thecolonels
Id like to elaborate: definitely wrong that these photos were stolen, and i will not look at them because of that. But i am not surprised..
Winterous
The point is that the president shouldn't take photos of himself getting a blowjob from his secretary, because he doesn't want people to 1/2
Winterous
really sensitive about photos of them naked, they probably shouldn't take those photos in the first place. 3/3
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kodkilla
Third player joins the game!
Winterous
<3
Winterous
see it. Yes these photos SHOULD be secure, but it's still stupid to create a record of stuff you don't want people to see. If they're 2/3
atuinworldturtle
I'm actually trying to decide which I like better, this or the original
Notmuch2do
This one
booshboosh
It's hard to top the foot-fucking-master but this comes close.
HD2composer
I was trying to remember the original. That helps but now I want to watch the whole movie again. New gifs are coming, prepare
ThatBabyDontLookLikeMe
And we all said it using their voices the whole fucking time. AWESOME!
runeks
This is actually the director's cut. Available on Blu-Ray.
nfeldman
I was just thinking this and the original is too good. Glad to see I wasn't the only one.
Steamybritches
I lost it at selfie-fucking master
BillListo
In the meantime, care for a foot rub Ms Wallace?
BrendanDufftronic
I need to rewatch pulp fiction. Haven't watched it in years
kmikl
Ditto
kmikl
I wonder... @TheBOULDER
witchzenka
oh good more people justifying how Jennifer Lawrence's body and pictures don't actually belong to her.
schizznatt
I know. And then people calling it the Fappening, like it's hilarious to masturbate to someone's stolen nude pics. I find it disgusting.
vaginapower
You know I was thinking. Even if someone got a picture of a pair of shoes in this manner and posted it, I would still be pretty pissed.
SocietyOfSensation
It's a pretty nice post but I don't agree with it. By the way the large majority is not agreeing that her body/pics don't belong to her.
holydiver1355
Oh good, more people missing the point. This post isn't saying the pics don't belong to her or that it was right to post them. (1)
holydiver1355
Just that you have to be aware that the possibility of them getting leaked exists and where your trusted information resides. (2)
witchzenka
that's adorable but no, I got the point, and it's all still focusing on what she did "wrong". BS.
holydiver1355
Agreed, she did nothing wrong. But if I had taken such picks they'd been stored on portable hardware if at all and not any internet account
witchzenka
And that is good, def.
WaffIestomper
OP's not saying that at all. It IS wrong, but if you go into a group of gang members, and start yelling slurs at them, you can expect (1/2)
WaffIestomper
Them to do something violent. I know it's a different situation because JLaw and the others did nothing to deserve it, but they probably 2/3
WaffIestomper
Should have expected their nude pictures that they left laying around to get taken and circulated(3/3)
strandedisland
"left laying around" - the fuck are you smoking??
WaffIestomper
It feels like websites get hacked all the time, and celebrities would definitely be a target for that sort of thing
Gavin1453
While a password is nominal protection, it is widely known that it is not sufficient, especially for highly valued information.
WaffIestomper
Call me paranoid, but I don't keep anything I don't want discovered in a website. If I want to keep it, it's on a flash drive. That's it
h20fuego
Oh your finances got hacked? That's your own fault for using online banking & having credit cards. Should've known it was coming
sunnymangoes
I wish I could upvote this more than once
theprancingpony
I actually heard this a lot at Target after their security breach.
h20fuego
*bangs head on wall*
CaptainHanderpants
I've actually had my finances get hacked..twice. One time was my own fault for using a less than reputable website, the next wasn't.
Gavin1453
They would be responsible for not making themselves aware of the risks. Widespread popularity doesn't negate the risks involved.
h20fuego
There are risks with doing everything in life - that doesn't mean it's the victims fault when criminals target them.
Gavin1453
There is ubiquitous risk, but not in equal degrees. Prevention is still viable.
Mickstack
Exactly! That's why everyone blamed PSN users after PSN was hacked and information was stolen right? *also being sarcastic*
Gavin1453
Just a thought. This isn't directly comparable as the information lost was still securely-encrypted, I think. I don't remember exactly.
Mickstack
Yes I believe it was still encrypted so it isn't the best comparison, but I'm only practically perfect so I do what I can
pewpewdang
If the bank has a bad history, it is your fault for entrusting the bank with your money
avervetmonkey
I'm not an apple fan/user, so I wasn't aware of that they had a bad reputation apart from the "stupidly inflated costs" kind.
kodkilla
Guess they don't like Apple criticisms.
GilgameshWulfenbach
Riyakou
No one the victim, but acknowledging the major factor that she is in fact a public figure, and therefore should be more wary of such acts.
GilgameshWulfenbach
Maybe but that feels really weak. But these were private pictures. I feel people would feel differently if this was a physical theft.
GilgameshWulfenbach
In the privacy of my own home? Done with and shared with someone I am intimate and possibly in love with? She has a right to privacy too
SocietyOfSensation
The majority is not victim blaming, they just don't feel the need for black and white arguments and using "rape culture" monnikers
GilgameshWulfenbach
at first that was my response, but some of the gleeful remarks like "why take them if you dont them to be see" and so on are messed up
SocietyOfSensation
extreme sides. The trick is to gauge the amount of people who flock to the less black'n'white argument and decide if you agree. 2/2
GilgameshWulfenbach
I guess the lack of empathy I've seen for this girl upsets me. I agree with everything you said
SocietyOfSensation
Those people are out there yes, and so are the extremist feminazis having a field day screaming rape culture. You'll always see both 1/2
Squossifrage
I was with you until you trotted out the role model shit, like these women owe you a duty of purity or something.
kodkilla
2/2 or not is their choice.
kodkilla
They are role models though, to kids. To a kid they are smart, funny, rich, perfect, and above normal people. Whether they live up to it 1/2
CatrionaShadowleaf
My dad was a role model to me. He's still a goddamned human being.
kodkilla
So, because your dad's your role model, everyone's parents have to be theirs? Sorry,but some people have shitty parents who aren't idolized
kodkilla
3/4 I don't see why so many here are so pissed at hearing that someone famous may be a role model to a kid. Also, where did I say that your
kodkilla
2/? by them. So they look up to others, which may or may not be good (celebrities included). Hell, even comic book heros are looked up to so
kodkilla
4/4 dad wasn't a human? And are you implying that famous people aren't?
Squossifrage
Look at this:
Squossifrage
The problem isn't the statement that she's a role model, but the subsequent statement that she's therefore not allowed to be human.
kodkilla
2/2 are role models. Whether you or the op (of this thread) choose not to believe it.
kodkilla
Yes, and...? I'm not saying they can't do adult things (which isn't even what we're talking about) I'm simply saying that to some, yes, they
SugarSmack
This argument sounds too much like "Stealing stored information from other people's cell phones is ok because it's there. Don't have stuff."
InvalidUserAccount
More like "You should know better than to trust insecure services with sensitive data." Theft is not ok, but one needs to learn risk mgmt.
SugarSmack
After it's already been stolen, it's too late for security measures, but the person who stole it is forever an asshat.
Gavin1453
True, which is why crime prevention is imperative.
TheLastGunslinger
My good sir:
JerreyRough
It always bugged me how his face is *slightly* off just after the zoom-in. >_<
WaitedMonths2RegisterCouldntChooseUserName
Roland, is that you?
TheLastGunslinger
Aye.
WaitedMonths2RegisterCouldntChooseUserName
Soooooooo
Smolderos
Pacmanvice
I'm sorry my phone took 5 min to load that. What did I miss
BeeR411
amazing
HalfwayToRelevance
I like Leo too, but 20 faps per second? Damn, son.
thunderrunner
not sure which version I like better...
TheLastGunslinger
Enlighten me: is that how it looks like in the original film?
Smolderos
I think the film's fps is 24, so it's closer to that. It also has bigger picture size. I added the fade in.
TheLastGunslinger
Very nice.
dathomiripunk
You had my curiosity, now you have my attention
Jakalope
Always expect what you do online to be seen by someone else.
MarkPenrice
This. This should have been part of the school curriculum for at least the last 15 years.
Ajierene
I've discussed this with people before-no compromising photos of me because even polaroids may be scanned for storage and then hacked.
copingcabana
My law firm on email: "Never put anything in an email unless you're willing to see it on the front page of the WSJ tomorrow."
MarkPenrice
Or screencapped and spread around the world via twitter within a matter of hours.
copingcabana
Yes. To be fair, this was almost 15 years ago. They've probably updated it.
MarkPenrice
Ah, sorry, didn't get that bit :D
PastaIsLife
I saw a reddit comment of mines on the dailydot, it was weird.
ItsOkayItsOfficial
100%
leafspring
But they didn't do anything online, they did it on their phone. They prob. weren't even aware of the automated backup uploaded to a cloud.
BumbleBeeBeardedGingerBear
You can't turn it off. My Google + keeps uploading my photos to a cloud account and I can't remove the app or turn off the automatic upload.
BumbleBeeBeardedGingerBear
I don't take naked pics because I'm 31 and probably look like a walrus. I don't want to have to go on the lam from the SPCA.
MarkPenrice
In any case, taking sensitive photos with an easily-stolen low-security handheld computer that happens to have always-on internet? Not good.
MarkPenrice
If you weren't aware your stuff was being backhauled to their server farm, well...
MarkPenrice
The providers of those services tout them pretty hard, and Apple use the automatic backup as something of a selling point for their products
perceptualmotion
As someone from the internet generation(s), I agree but that doesn't make it their fault. Victim blaming is bullshit.
twistedviking
It isn't victim blaming to say that people should acknowledge the risks of the things they choose to do before doing them.
twistedviking
Pretending anything is risk free is a recipe for bad times. Take protective measures. Letting things leave your control isn't helpful.
Jakalope
You're right, it isn't their fault. Again though, people should know by now the internet has no true anonymity.
perceptualmotion
Agree completely! I didn't read the post as a public service announcement on IT-security though, I did indeed find it to be placing blame.
Jakalope
It's not their fault someone 'broke in'. Locks keep honest people honest. Being popular makes people want to open your locks even more.
Ajierene
Not victim blaming, lessons learned. Stuff stolen from an unlocked car, not victim blaming to say "Hey, maybe always lock the car".
GeeUknit
Nothing was unlocked. Somebody went out of their way to break into their storage. It was a fucking CRIME
Gavin1453
It was locked but only in a nominal fashion. It was a crime, but crime prevention is still an unfortunate necessity.
CynicalFish
It was a locked car and the hackers were using basically a coat hanger to pick open the lock.
perceptualmotion
I find the post to try to place blame on the victims. Especially the moralizing, what is wrong with stuffing an iron in your ass?
indiemike
And this, my friends, is what is known as victim blaming. As eloquently, and thoughtfully done as this was. It's still victim blaming.
LawrenceAmerica
This.
ImJustHappytoSeeYou
Sometimes victim blaming is justified.
Chixiepixie
That would only be considered if it was applied to all crimes, which it is not.
ImJustHappytoSeeYou
Yes but sometimes victim blaming is justified.
Chixiepixie
Example?
ImJustHappytoSeeYou
You're walking in the road with your eyes closed and you get run over by a driver not paying attention.
DrGirlinTheMoonlight
Sometimes being never?
ImJustHappytoSeeYou
In this sitution, barely if at all. In some situations, yes.
DrGirlinTheMoonlight
Example?
ImJustHappytoSeeYou
You're walking in the road with your eyes closed and you get run over by a driver not paying attention.
guffaw
Being a film start isn't a choice to live in the public domain. It is a career choice, how many unpopular actors dont get this shit?
senshu
No, it absolutely is a choice to live in the public domain. Doesn't make stealing their pics right.
guffaw
Being good at their job makes them popular. They shouldn't do a job they love/should do it badly because the world at large is shitty?
senshu
So they love what, acting? You can't do that without all the fame and fortune, eh?
ICallEveryoneBitch
Try telling that to Anthony Weiner or any other politician.
kodkilla
If you're going into politics you better damn well know you're going to be in the public spotlight.
ICallEveryoneBitch
But not entertainment? That's literally a public spotlight.
kodkilla
I'm going to be straight with you, I have no idea what the comment I replied to was, but I don't think I implied that entertainment wasn't?
Gavin1453
True, but that doesn't make it right.
kodkilla
Never claimed it was. So to that, I agree with you.
orangemarmaladesky
Since when did being naked make you a bad person?
MmmYesShallowAndPedantic
bad person? it doesn't. dumb person? yuuuuuup.
KnockKnockWhosThereJehovahsWitness
It doesn't...
Pangs
Since the moment it will make a person feel better for looking at stolen photos of nude celebrities.
CONFESSlONBEAR
Since when has anyone ever said Jennifer Lawrence is a bad person?
orangemarmaladesky
Since this meme thing I guess. According to it we should all know better than to take naked photos of ourselves in private.
orangemarmaladesky
You know... Just in case someone steals them.
Gavin1453
Not so much in private as on the web. The internet is a central part of many lives. To use a tool without understanding it is dangerous.
Nebulosa
They had a reasonable expectation of privacy where the picture were stored. People were wrong to hack into them and take them. No debate.
Nameless301
2) might be in the minority here but if someone brute forced my amazon account and bought something I'd probably blame myself
Nameless301
3) for not coming up with a strong enough password
Nameless301
1) Is anything storing on a server that's reachable anywhere on the internet truly have a reasonable expectation of privacy? Honestly I
InvalidUserAccount
Anyone expecting privacy from NSAware shouldn't be on the internet. Clouds aggregate data externally for a reason. Convenience has value.
Nebulosa
Password protected, clearly nto meant for the public eye. There's a reasonable expectation of privacy.
esgedi
It wasn't private. A drive on your local network is private. A cloud service is public. User accounts are locked doors in a public building.
Nebulosa
Does apple allow you to look at anyone's cloud you choose? did you have to resort to things you shouldn't do to get it?
Gavin1453
The intent isn't as important as the ability to enforce the former, when it comes to crime prevention.
kodkilla
Would you store something you want private on the internet? It's ridiculous to think that it's safe, especially when you're a celeb and 1/2
Nebulosa
Whether or not they are celeb, it was password protected, and there's a reasonable expectation of privacy.
Gavin1453
I agree with you in theory, but in practice a password is little protection against a concerted hacker.
kodkilla
I never back anything up on the internet, because it's way to risky. This really should be common knowledge. Passwords don't do shit for 1/2
kodkilla
2/2 the determined.
kodkilla
should know that people will go to great lengths to find out ANYTHING about you. Hell, there's a career dedicated to taking private pics of
kodkilla
them (which I wonder how that shit is legal).
MmmYesShallowAndPedantic
absolutely they had a reasonable expectation of privacy....doesn't make taking and storing such pics smart though.
Nebulosa
Agreed. But that's not the point.
MmmYesShallowAndPedantic
I would argue there are two points: right vs. wrong, and smart vs. dumb. totally think the hacking part is wrong...while
Gavin1453
It is the point, I think. No one is advocating the actual hackings, as far as I know.
MmmYesShallowAndPedantic
posing for/taking and storing those pics on an apple device with weak ass security is dumb of the person/persons in questions
Nebulosa
I agree.
ImJustHappytoSeeYou
Saying no debate at the end of a post doesn't make you correct
erischilde
There is no debate. What the fuck are people "debating"? Like autism and vaccines. There is no debate, stop pretending there is one.
Nebulosa
I'd like to hear your justification then that there is some moral ambiguity in hacking and taking private info.
ImJustHappytoSeeYou
Storing pictures they only want themselves or the recipient to see on something outside of their control portions them some of the blame
Gavin1453
The question isn't over justifying the crime. It is over the veracity of your presupposition of a reasonable expectation, which is dubious.
ImJustHappytoSeeYou
But yes people were wrong to steal them, the point of my post though was saying 'No debate' makes you look like an ass in any context
Nebulosa
Well, I'll learn to live with looking like an ass for saying that I don't think there's a debate about stealing private info.
shadowofacrow
This is always the debate... are public figures who are role models entitled to privacy and secrets like everyone else?
violentpursuit
you'd think it would go without saying, not if they post those "secrets" on the freaking internet
AlmightyHamSandwich
Yes, they are entitled to privacy, just like everybody else. They are also entitled to have that privacy shat upon, just like everybody else
AlmightyHamSandwich
Someone is always gonna want to steal your shit, whether you're a billionaire or a bum. You can take naked selfies or keep a wad of cash...
AlmightyHamSandwich
...or keep jewelry or have cars or have nice things in general, but if you don't protect your shit, don't be shocked when a thief steals it.
CajunAvenger
Everyone has a right to privacy. You also basically waive that right by putting it online. Anyone who thinks something they put online(1/2)
CajunAvenger
can remain hidden forever, especially when they are a public figure, is kidding themselves.(2/2)
ILikeToCallItLostWages
The odd part is that their reputation won't really suffer from this. non-celebs get blackmailed or embarrassed, their stock just goes up
kendovzii
The thing is, most people were just astonished how normal they were. Theres a silver lining here I can't find the words for.
Eowyneb
Privacy yes, syupid things like taking naked pictures and sending it no. How stupid are you to do that knowing people will want to see it
gbatemp
They are fully entitled to a degree of it, just as everyone else is. They should still act responsibly in regard to such matters.
dakezo
They are, but they should never expect it. As a public figure, you've a right to privacy, but you should never expect it.
wanderica
Of course they are, but common sense rules. If I'm a famous person, I expect constant intrusion, and take steps to minimize it. 1/2
wanderica
like not keeping nude selfies on my damn phone, but rather on secure removable media.
KnightofMalta
If you put yourself in the eye of the public, prepare to be looked at. If you want privacy, don't be in a situation where it is easy to lose
TheGoodOnesAreTaken
There isn't anyone in here that wouldn't trade their "selfie" privacy for their millions. Not saying they don't deserve privacy but yep.
NickSpry
entitled? yes. doesnt mean they will get it
Kinderschlager
they should be, but they don't get to. part and parcel of having privileges no one else does
rusty6899
That isn't a debate. Yes, they are entitled to privacy. Yes, they should be able to expect it.
cansolo
Of course they are entitled to privacy and secrets. People who need celebrity role models, need to grow the fuck up.
silveiragames
Yes they are. Yet "everyone else's" private pictures *also* leak from time to time so how would celebrities expect theirs never would?
NickRivieraMD
I thought the debate was whether one of the leaked photos actually has someone with a curling iron in their butt.
LikeABonerInSweatpants
You can't have everything, fame and fortune comes at a heft price. That's just the natural balance of the universe. Example: Fappening.
Bolognapogna
Of course they are! The problem is they didn't secure their shit. Would you buy a brand new house and leave the keys in the mailbox?
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foxthebloodied
Because taking naked pictures of yourself is better than being racist
InkblotCosplay
Sterling isn't an attractive young lady. He's a cranky old white man. That's pretty much 95% of it, best I can tell.
OhLookSomethingHappened
Commenting to save your comment for a highschool essay topic later this year.
fearandloathebananas
People are always entitled to privacy, just like they are entitled to possessions, but there will always be an immoral fucker somewhere 1/2
fearandloathebananas
who is prepared to steal what you got, and people must be aware of this. Keep your shit behind a safe lock and key. 2/2
magesinger
They are but they will have work a lot harder for it.
MetaphoricalFox
They are. But like he said, they should know that no stronghold is unbreakable.
chiefgeronimo
of course they are entitled to privacy and secrets like everyone else, but they will always be held to more scrutiny. They should understand
ladymayo
Yes
fuuuuuuuuuu
Not really. They get paid ridiculous sums of money on the understanding that their privacy is compromised, not just based on talent
SweetZombiJesus
I hate how these pics assume these pics are something they would be ashamed of. I doubt they are; they just wanted to keep it private.
Ajnstajn
Well the FBI sure as hell shouldn't give them special treatment, no matter who they are.
andyQpants
If I'm, in return, entitled to millions of dollars and fame, then yes, they are entitled to privacy.
KidneyBeene
No
chowmaster
It is a real debate. Are they their own entities or does the public own them?
Equreuil
I think they are, but they should also be smart about it and not store private shit on an online server where it might be vulnerable.
Equreuil
I agree that whoever stole those pictures and posted them is in the wrong but personal responsibility is a thing, ya know?
ReverendLovejoy
Short answer: yes. Not a debate
Peacetoad
Yes celebrities can get naked but once they're on the internet, even a private service, theres a chance they get out.
julianinsilico
solution? Next time use a polaroid.
Harbinger411
For the amount of money they make they have no reason to complain. Miley Cyrus gets it.
shadysniper
In a perfect world, yes. But this isn't a perfect world.
SimplyWillis
Legally in the U.S. There are basically no provisions for "privacy," but socially, probably.
Seegrums
I believe they are entitled, yes. I would, however, recommend those in the public spotlight to keep such content better protected.
nawshonmeow
Role models, of which the desire for possession is the example, selfish or interested desires are destructive of the appreciation of beauty.
AbeFromanSausageKingOfChicago
Yes. Regardless of profession, you have the public you and the personal you and a right to keep them separate without creeps exposing you.
ToiletSnakes
Yes ofc, but you have to understand your position. You can't always cross the street without injury just cause you have the right of way.
ToiletSnakes
Now that's not entirely fair because they did this in the privacy of their own homes even deleting the pictures. It's sad.
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It isn't limited to role models. There is also a debate about medical info on company figurheads and should shareholders have access...
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When Steve jobs was dying he knew and could sell his shares before dying instead of leaving his children with shares that he knew would...
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Be worth less than when he was still alive (because Apple stock dropped after). He couldn't though, because it's essentially inside trading
Reemy420
1. Everyone is entitled to privacy, however, those in the public eye need to understand that the price of fame is people wanting to know
Reemy420
2. rather some people, wanting to know about every aspect of your life. This means they will go to great lengths to know what they can
Reemy420
6. yourself at risk for exposure. Hell Pamela and Tommy Lee had their "home movie" stolen from their house. Best practice is don't do it.
Reemy420
5. that is always connected to the Internet. Even then, if you use a regular camera and try to email the images to someone you are putting
Reemy420
4. precaution to try and insulate themselves from privacy intrusion. Like not taking compromising pictures of themselves with a device
Reemy420
3. about you. Some people are also disturbed and have issues and may even try to harm you. Therefore, one should take every available
MungasaurusRex
Why can't they have both?
leafspring
Of course they are - this isn't even close to a debate.
RIPFuturama
You live in the year 2014, privacy and secrets don't exist anymore.
Thatknifeguy
People say 'role model' like they're not supposed to do things most normal people do.
lushkitch
Privacy for everyone has gone the way of the dinosaurs. You can't put the genie of technology back in the bottle.
keepfeedingme
We have as much privacy as we allow ourselves. There's a reason there are no nudes of me floating around; I was smart enough to not take any
fragtore
America is soo religiously colored when it comes to morals... "Role model", why would nude pics be something wrong?
Jawesomesauce
I was thinking the exact same thing. Seems perfectly fine to model healthy sexuality!
Relentles
If its showing nipples is porn, and you'll go to hell for looking at them. Unless you are paying for a movie, then its fine.
M0MUS
That's a debate? How is that a freaking debate? Of course they are.
M0MUS
Every person's relationships should be entirely as private as they want and no-one should be looking into them for any reason
M0MUS
...unless there is evidence that a crime was committed and the relationship might be relevant to that
M0MUS
Politicians financial records should be public record but only because of their access to public money and the need to audit.
Harmonex
Read "they need an adult".
ladymayo
Yes
chloramphenicolderivative
They are entitled to privacy, but should be aware that they have to do more to keep things private(like not use fking icloud)
Jupman
No your not entitled to privacy.
chloramphenicolderivative
So you wouldn't mind me creeping in your brush with binoculars or using teamviewer to see what you do with your computer?
Jupman
Sure but am I "entitled" to you not doing that...no.
Jupman
Trust me I look, Porn, Netflix, CNN, and FaceBook and YouTube...and whatever podcast of the day to watch. No need to hide in the brush.
8bitdan
We need to STOP looking at these people like role models, and start looking at them like normal human beings. Which they are.
neogreenlantern
Yes. Besides the obvious reason that everyone should be entitled to their privacy I'm going to give you the business reason why actors (1)
neogreenlantern
have an even greater entitlement to their privacy. Most of us don't have jobs that is somewhat dependent on our looks. Actors and (2)
neogreenlantern
Actresses do. By leaking their nudes you remove any possible leverage they might have later on. JLaw now can't use a nude scene to get (3)
neogreenlantern
a pay pump for a movie that has one they want her for since everyone already saw her naked. Its the difference between giving out (4)
neogreenlantern
Grandma's fried chicken recipe vs giving out Colonel's 11 herb's and spices.
Chronomechanist
Yes they're entitled to it. Should they expect it? No. Be safe not sorry.
johncandy12
Should they be given the privacy they're entitled to? Yes.
Chronomechanist
Yes they should. I completely agree. But will there be people who don't respect that? Also yes.
JeanLucPicard
But ARE they? No. So they should be careful. Because people seldom follow the "should"s
FindYourChillMate
Of course. And noone should be stolen from and noone should be muredered and noone should be raped...Oh wait
johncandy12
I know, it's obvious, but it's not like they were posting their pics to imgur...
FindYourChillMate
Yes i know. But its still on the internet. Which isnt exactly known for being secure
BoopBoopBeepBoop
We should have laws against all that! Oh wait.
iShouldGetASuit
should they store possibly compromising pictures in a cloud? No.
johncandy12
Should that cloud be secure? YES.
chainletter
Only as secure as your password. And if your password sucks, it can be easily bruteforced.
JeanLucPicard
Easier said than done.
SocietyOfSensation
Yes, they are. I don't see why this is even a debate. Do people really flat-out think "they're celebrities, they dont deserve any privacy"?
schizznatt
When it comes to their bodies, yes. They are entitled.
raistlinsghost
No debate here imo. These people aren't role models. They're actors. Why shouldn't they have the same expectation of privacy we would have?
Jawesomesauce
Role model here is completely irrelevant... They aren't modelling behaviour that is wrong in any way, just healthy sex lives!!
420Blouseitfurcoat
Implying that taking pictures of yourself naked is inherently wrong/bad. Bleh.
dashcan
Entitled? Yes. Reasonable expectation for it to stay private all the time in a world steadily going digital? Laughable.
thedevil
this. so much this.
whyexactly
FUCKING THIS.
johnvictor
An average person cannot expect anything of theirs to stay private anymore. Someone is going to try and dig up something on them. /1
johnvictor
So people who are in the public eye should know and understand that they have more people digging up mud on them on a daily basis.
Lenton
A billionaire is entitled to keep all their money, but you bet your ass people will try to take it, and more than average.
NoItsACardiganButThanksForNoticing
like my penis size
WoahWhoAmIandWhatamIdoingHere
This. So much this. And yet people can't seem to understand the reality of the world we live in.
Gnosis226
Translation: "Sure they have the right to privacy, but I can't be bothered to honor it CAUSE I WANT TO SEE HER TITTIES YES TITTIES WOOO"
rawrfrawrf
Truth.
jhny
Perfectly said.
Chixiepixie
NO ONE FUCKING SAID THIS ABOUT THE BUGGED PHONES! WHY DOES IT ONLY APPLY HERE!?!
SonicDH
What? Sorry, I don't speak capslock. One more time?
TheFeralDog
Everyone says the senators and politicians deserve their pics leaked why didn't that apply here?
TerraDactyl89
Probably because no one wants to see most politicians' naked selfies.
lushkitch
How can one be entitled to the impossible?
ReverendLovejoy
Makes no sense at all
SemanticWarrior
People are entitled to basic human rights, yet it's near impossible that 100% of the world's population will ever have them.
StonedLikeACheatingMuslimWoman
http://imgur.com/RiC3DdY
feellicks
because entitlements are a human construct and completely in your head? real life isnt fair and it doesnt have to make sense.
dashcan
Therein lies the rub. Vast difference between snapping a digital, copyable image of yourself and storing it in a 'secure' location and >>
dashcan
<< Going to some club. People claiming that stealing an image of sexual nature is on par with ravaging someone physically. Wrong.
OhNoNotThatGuyQuickEverybodyHide
Privacy isn't a right in the constitutional sense. It is therefore a privilege. 1/2
OhNoNotThatGuyQuickEverybodyHide
Celebrity status increases social privilege. However privilege has risk. Increased privilege, increased risk. 2/3
OhNoNotThatGuyQuickEverybodyHide
If they don't assess the risks they take, they'll make bad decisions, and suffer the consequences. 3/4
OhNoNotThatGuyQuickEverybodyHide
The argument here, they deserve their privileges, but not to understand the risks and possible consequences of their behavior is foolish.4/4
dingelberrrys
But things like this happen to normal people too. Just on a smaller scale. A girl from my high school got nudes sent all over town.
GeeUknit
I love how you phrase this like there wasn't some asshole stealing and spreading them and ruining her life at all.
dingelberrrys
I meant to say there's gonna be assholes to whoever you are, famous or not. Ones just going to be more publicly shown.
GeeUknit
Nope, no perp! Just a girl who 'got them sent' and she brought in on herself, right? The victim blaming is right there in your language
ELOHELEHLola
Yeah that's like say a guy "got himself mugged" because he walked outside at night.
NeverEndingStoryMachine
Oh maybe, JUST MAYBE, his way of phrasing it fit under 140 characters. Sheesh. Calm down.
wartoaster
If that were the case, we would have forgotten about @kylecorn by now
keepfeedingme
Never forget.
JamEngulfer
Ok, I missed something here. What happened with him?
logicalphallacy
Who the fuck is @kylecorn?
justcookiesarefine
You must be new here.
vagimusprime
Some of the images/videos leaked were of them changing or using the bathroom. Those are times you should expect not to be filmed.
snellejelle
Role models? They're fucking actresses.
ILikeToCallItLostWages
That doesn't mean people can't/won't look up to them. And, in fact, tons of them do.
snellejelle
Well that's their problem.
Jawesomesauce
What would be wrong if people looked up to them? They might get the idea that people like to be naked and have sex?
boobsmcgriff
Dumbest argument ever. Privacy is privacy and we all have a right to it regardless of whether or not we are a celebrity.
carewyllie
True, and I really think what the hackers did is wrong. But nothing you put online is really private. Whether you're a celebrity or not.
carewyllie
To be clear: I'm putting full responsibility on the hackers for this one. They should be punished. It's still a cautionary tale.
jadespider
right, and people shouldn't steal or kill. but welcome to reality, where you still lock your door and shouldn't take nude selfies.
chardrak
Funny, cause all us people who aren't celebrities tend to know if you don't want pics like that seen, then don't take them.
longfellow
Looks like this went right over your head. Wow.
boobsmcgriff
Not at all. Just because I disagree with the post or your opinion, does not make me a fool.
CaptainHanderpants
Ask George Carlin about rights you have. Ask Japanese American who were imprisoned against their will about rights. It's not a right (1)
CaptainHanderpants
if someone can take it away at their own choosing (the Patriot act was a lawful invasion of privacy and is still active)
MmmYesShallowAndPedantic
Good point, however I feel zero pity for someone who plays with matches and gasoline, then gets burned.
CaptainHanderpants
This made my day. Thank you for not being overzealous as the mob has been.
boobsmcgriff
So just because it was easy to hack those people..makes it ok? Im not sayin they are the smartest people in the world, but that fact doesn't
boobsmcgriff
make it ok to do it.I one of you "forgot" to lock your door..its ok for me to go in and take what I want? How is it any different?
Riyakou
That's not the point. The point is if you are in constant public eye, you have to be careful with what you do, as well as what you say.
hsalceht
dude u cant make sense on imgur, it just doesn't work that way.
boobsmcgriff
I understand the point but it doesnt make it right. Just because a person is famous doesnt mean they have no right to privacy.
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boobsmcgriff
Yes,sadly. I just think its another form of victim shaming is all.
Riyakou
It's not victim shaming, but acknowledging consequences. All jobs and professions have them. For celebrities, it's losing privacy.
MarkPenrice
There's a difference between knowing your rights, and taking appropriate precautions to protect them...
canine
Putting pictures on your phone should be fine.
MarkPenrice
They weren't "on their phone", though, they were in a web-based backup service. And in any case, phones can be stolen.
canine
Phones come with web-based backup services by default.
ScrewySole
I strongly agree with you. Well said!
Chixiepixie
Which is only ever brought up in these situations. Don't believe me? Check out posts about theft, or a dog attack. No one asks what 1/2
perceptualmotion
THIS! It's systemic!
Chixiepixie
'precautions' the victim took. Even pretending otherwise is disingenuous.
MarkPenrice
Well, there's such precautions as not flashing your best bling and newest gadgets when walking through a rough neighbourhood.
MarkPenrice
tl;dr legal protection is all well and good but it doesn't absolve you of the need to physically protect yourself as well.
MarkPenrice
Criminal acts are, after all, illegal, but people still commit them.
MarkPenrice
Leaving all the windows open on your ground floor property then very obviously going out for the evening without any visible security.
MarkPenrice
Making sure to look whether someone's about to run the stoplight at a pedestrian crossing before you step into the road. Etc, etc, etc.
ImnotliketheOtters
Oh i'm quite sure the insurance does.
Chixiepixie
As does the police. (that's their job) Not every stranger who hears about it. There's a difference.
MarkPenrice
Or taunting / getting too close to an obviously dangerous dog (if it comes out of nowhere, then, that's a different story)
MarkPenrice
Leaving your bike parked with the key in the ignition and no steering / disc / security chain lock in place.
MarkPenrice
Oh, and my own personal bugbear: heaping all the blame onto the driver when a pedestrian is run down. Why did they run out into the road?!
MarkPenrice
(The annual death rate for pedestrians who stay on the sidewalk until it's safe for them to cross is WAY lower vs those who don't...)
MarkPenrice
(10) Speed doesn't kill you, it's the sudden stop. And most of the time, you don't suffer that unless someone else does something idiotic.
MarkPenrice
(7) All anyone concentrated on there was that he was doing 90-ish mph. 50 years ago, that would've been legal on that road, and you don't up
MarkPenrice
(9) would still most likely have caused the rider's death, even if he'd been riding at 59.9mph. But, no mention of the car driver's idiocy.
MarkPenrice
>>>the other's line of sight, and going at a pace which might be reasonably encountered on a more open road. But, there's nothing said >4>
MarkPenrice
(11) Note, this isn't an argument against all limits, or even all low ones in town. There's an appropriate time and place, and you have to
MarkPenrice
(8) and die just because you move at a certain speed. The limit there was 60 anyway. The same driver pulling the same stunt a second later
MarkPenrice
(13) But if the main human obstacle you're likely to encounter is a full grown adult, we should assume some intelligent agency there...
MarkPenrice
But, no, it's cuz people drive too fast, & speed limits are too high, so I hope you like averaging no more'n 30km/h cross-city from now on..
MarkPenrice
>>another car whose driver didn't look when pulling out, and said driver died. The jailed guy was going pretty fast, but he was still in>>>
MarkPenrice
That and those who pull out from or turn across opposing traffic into side streets without looking. A guy got jailed recently after he hit>>
MarkPenrice
(12) suit the running speed to the likely hazards. EG if there's a lot of children about, who are less cognizant of risk and hard to control
MarkPenrice
(15) ...and so are able to deal with and properly respond to other traffic that's moving faster than a pony going for a slightly brisk trot.
MarkPenrice
(14) That, and, if they're at the controls of a motor vehicle, they've had the proper training and testing of their knowledge & skills...
MarkPenrice
(6) Ditto a now-infamous helmetcam recording of a dude on a motorbike who died after hitting a car... THAT TURNED ACROSS HIM W/O LOOKING.
MarkPenrice
(16) (Artificially low & overbearingly enforced limits also weakens their effectiveness as a warning of actually-tricky conditions ahead...)
MarkPenrice
>4> about how his right of way was randomly interrupted without warning or time to react. The accident would have been survivable at lower>5
MarkPenrice
>5>speed, but not avoided entirely, and that's still two written-off cars & possibly some hospital time those involved would have to suffer.
JCLII
Celebrities are NOT role models. We really need to stop thinking that they are. Role models should be parents and teachers.
fknbastard
I agree and if OP had removed that one line, this would have been perfect. "When you're a celebrity, you're in the public's eye..."
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
Keyword there is "should." Like it or not, they're perceived as role models. Whether or not that means they have some obligation to [1]
LadiesInboxMeYourInsecurities
I agree that they are perceived as role models but at the same time I disagree that they should feel obligated to behave as such. +0
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
I don't really think they should either but I can see how one might think otherwise. It's a complex issue, imo.
LadiesInboxMeYourInsecurities
Oh very much so. They're free to be who they are but at the same time should accept that people will be more critical of them 1/2
LadiesInboxMeYourInsecurities
Because of their status, fame, and perceived(or endorsed) role model-ness.
JesusDeSaad
Neil deGrasse Tyson and Vlad Tepes are my role models.
ThisPlaceLooksLikeCalifornia
Not role models, no. The actual term is "highly visible targets."
thompsonplyler
What is right doesn't change the way the wind blows. Our minds can only track so many input points and, for many people, especially (1/2)
thompsonplyler
younger people, celebrities' output is perceived as valuable or worthy of extra attention. They WILL be modeled in their roles.
Eowyneb
Oh for fucks sakes! People look up to them that makes them role models you can't change who people look up to that is not your decision
h20fuego
now that, I agree with. but not an excuse for people to invade and violate their privacy and persons
JCLII
I agree completely. I know people that are more upset about this than they are about the NSA!
sleepilee
Celebs have higher reputations and are often looked up by many people all over the world, so its best for them to behave like role models.
papasmurf1118
I think that there are several celebrities who are legitimately inspirational with their activism work. (i.e. Clooney with Sudan)
marcspreciouslittlelife
Yep, because bad teachers and parents aren't a thing. How about good people instead?
JCLII
I'm all for parents needing a license to have children.
kailani
OMG!! this needs to be a thing....it's genius
moor3
human rights would get in the way of it, which is a stupid argument because the kid is entitled to a good upbringing
RoboLuddite
I really don't see how having kids should be considered a right. It's a massive responsibility.
Darkstorm216
I agree.
RileyTaylor26
So much YES to this ^^^ Same with pro athletes!
Riyakou
The point is if you're choosing to undergo a career that involves being in the public eye, you have to be careful with what you do.
SocietyOfSensation
I always believed the characters that they play, like Katniss, are the role-models, not the actors playing them. They're just doing a job.
missing7
Celebrities are role models, but I agree that they shouldn't be. Nor should professional athletes. They are all just entertainers.
Cakes1234
Not role models necessarily, but they are individuals who are in the public eye is more what they are talking about.
AerysIITargaryen
I don't see why teachers and parents are innately better than celebrities, there are terrible teachers and amazing celebrities.
vrenwick
Damned right!
Ireallydonthaveanyideawhattonamemyself
Some of them are role models. Not because they're celebrities, but because they're damn good people.
JCLII
I whole heartedly agree!
ninjapleaseme
Role models, no. People of public interest, absolutely. Their privacy is more likely to be violated. Sad but true.
EasyUpVote
You a thousand times!
McFarvo
Yeah, celebrity worship gets ridiculous, but there are cases where a famous person is worth admiring and emulating.
JCLII
I'm not saying that isn't the case, i'm just saying that there should be more important and more influential role models.
McFarvo
Yeah, I think most well-balanced folks have a family member or personal mentor they hold higher than any person harassed by TMZ
JCLII
Agreed.
McFarvo
looks like some celeb-worshipper didn't like my comment. -1 away, friend
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
behave as such because of society's perceptions and expectations is up for debate though. [2]
NoDirectionHome
but that's not what they signed up for
JCLII
I don't think it is up for debate at all. These people are in the entertainment industry. I get your reasoning, but I don't agree with it.
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
I tend to lean toward "no" on the question of whether they have an obligation to behave as role models but I kind of understand the [1]
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
opposing argument. Whether they asked for it or not, they have influence over people. You know, the whole "with great power comes [2]
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
great responsibility" bit. I think both sides have some merit. [3]
stratus41298
Lol. Yes they are.
JCLII
No, they're not.
stratus41298
*doesn't actually remember what he was commenting about*
stratus41298
Yes, they ARE.
GnomeDeGuerre
They are in fact "role models". Like an image is a likeness. The value of it can be questioned, but not the content of the concept.
JCLII
They are only role models because of the laziness of those who are in charge of raising a decent human being.
GnomeDeGuerre
No, they are role models due to the visibility they have. No matter the nature of the parent. What fact means can vary widely.
shesaidgoodbyetotheground
Forbes article on how this isn't a scandal, it's a sex crime. interesting perspective. http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx_mobile.html
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TypesHR
Interesting as in fucking stupid.
shesaidgoodbyetotheground
Sorry try this http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2014/09/01/jennifer-lawrence-nude-photo-leak-isnt-a-scandal-its-a-sex-crime/
lushlushlush
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2014/09/01/jennifer-lawrence-nude-photo-leak-isnt-a-scandal-its-a-sex-crime/
shesaidgoodbyetotheground
Thanks idk what was wrong with my link
Winterous
Also your link doesn't appear to work.
shesaidgoodbyetotheground
Oh, wtf? http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2014/09/01/jennifer-lawrence-nude-photo-leak-isnt-a-scandal-its-a-sex-crime/
Winterous
Honestly comparing this to rape is pretty offensive. It's not an attack, it's an invasion of privacy. It's not taking a photo up her 1/2
lushlushlush
I posted the link. The article doesn't really compare it to rape, I think reading it will make that clear. I thought it was pretty spot on.
Winterous
Yeah I didn't mean to suggest that that one did, but I've seen some people make the comparison.
lushlushlush
Ah, okay. Still exploitation, invasion of privacy, theft, and victim blaming, but not rape. Comparisons like those are ridiculous though.
Winterous
Absolutely agree, it's very clearly wrong. But yeah, comparing this to rape just trivialises rape.
eatingketchupchips
No one is comparing the act to rape, they're comparing the victim-blaming tactics. It's nonconsensual porn, which is a sex crime.
Winterous
Example: http://time.com/3258898/jennifer-lawrence-kate-upton-naked-photos-icloud-hacking/
Winterous
I have seen people compare it to rape. Not here, but I have. Jesus christ.
eatingketchupchips
sexual assault and rape are different things.
Winterous
Ok maybe I used the wrong word, so bloody sue me alright? And I'm sure I could find someone comparing to rape specifically if I tried to.
Winterous
skirt, it's stealing her own photo of up her skirt. Yes it's fucked up, but nowhere near as fucked up as sexual assault.
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Winterous
They're just incorrect, it's absurd.
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Chixiepixie
Sexual assault is not just rape. This is sexual assault. If someone were to do it to a girl you know, it would be sexual assault.
Winterous
Stealing pictures isn't sexual assault, but taking photos up someone's skirt is... Some sort of sexual invasion. That's what I meant.
Chixiepixie
Stealing NUDE photos and distributing without consent IS sexual assault. I's why porn actors and actresses have to sign disclaimers, jackass