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Radiation reading of 6.7 uSv/h
Bags of radioactive soil are stacked one on top of the other to save space
Cows started to get white spots on their skin soon after the accident. One farmer believes this is due to the cows eating contam
“Nuclear energy is the energy of a bright future” reads the sign
kahlzun
6.7? You could be there for over a fortnight without much risk (<1Sv). People are such pussies about radiation.
KujiiiraArt
http://imgur.com/P3RhDV4
Audiss
" cows eating contam"
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
I'm all for nuclear pwr but these things should be 100% tsunami, zombie, proof and able to shut down quietly if humans decided to walk away.
foosbabaganoosh
Pictures taken by Bryan Cranston
spuderminpls
Look at all those CRT TVs! No wonder the radiation is deadly
coolwtevr
Nom nom nom CONTAAAAM.
darkmoonkim
Spiderweb room = room of 1,000 NOPES
Shuckeru
No, earthquakes and tsunami are very much to blame. The effects of the reactor were (although devastating) not the lions share by any means.
Katina
Reading into it, they were not adequately prepared for natural disasters because they feared the backlash from deeming nuclear energy unsafe
whatsupwiththatsmile
I dont see ghost -1
BannedForNSFW02
Where are the walkers?
Comorant
The irony in the last pic... fck
Rusticshine
The mech head in me SOOO BADLY wants to go to every 1 of those cars with a jump box and see if any of them still fire to life!
V1K1NGFVNERAL
Not watching this movie, I just know Fresh Prince's dog gonna die
wackjack
I like that bike.
thundercactus
Nuclear power is pretty safe. It only becomes catastrophic when combined with gross and downright criminal human negligence.
xaenex1
Or Mother Earth throws an earthquake at you.
thundercactus
The earthquake was anticipated. So was the larger than protected from tsunami.
thundercactus
Problem was they didnt implement any of the recommended or required safety upgrades
Yatoniea
Nuclear energy still is the energy of a bright future.
Jrockthecasbah88
https://youtu.be/ZsuVtIuiruI watch Pandora's Promise on Netflix
Rodzar
The future when you glow in the dark ? :)
brutalpoodle90
50,000 people used to live here...now it's a ghost town
DerpAntelope
Looked for this comment.
IWishIKnewNataliePortman
People are moving back in actually. Don't know how many though.
brutalpoodle90
So now it's 28 Weeks Later :'(
StormSmithXXXV
If anyone wants reference that's about the size of a Chicago suburb 40 miles from downtown. :)
EyePoker16
Better take some RadAway OP
JoshuaMadoc
I'll be fine, smoothskin.
poppingmybrassknuckles
Obligatory "I'm excited for fallout 4." Which I am.
thatoneyanderezelda
But it's out already
snufl
Should have gone Rad-X. It's better to prevent it than to treat it.
Mistruths
much cheaper, too.
nollataulu
Best of all, it's non-addictive.
dkevox
Just because incidents like this can happen doesn't mean nuclear energy isn't the best energy source currently available. It just is.
Jrockthecasbah88
Thank you!
SirBedivereTheWise
Hot damn look at all that free shit.
redbrickown
Yeah, do all those cars and motobikes still work? I think I know where I'm headed
chefryank
They were probably flooded by that minor tsunami
hofbrauhauss
There was a tsunami? Oh I haven't heard. I hope everyone's ok.
KwakuAnansi
Yeah, free cancer. Have fun getting haunted!
rantomi
It's still stealing, I was mad at seeing what people had done at Chernobyl exclusion zone and prob. still do.
LEONIDRAS
deadly free shit
jackbos
Not pictured: Hundreds of annual mining-related deaths and the massive pollution from coal-burning plants.
Gingingergypsy
It's the same with cars vs planes. Plane accidents make the news because they're rare, even though they're statistically far safer than cars
SputterSpark
Yes, nuclear energy IS the "energy of a bright future" at the moment it is our only pollution free energy source capable if replacing (1)
SputterSpark
Our current fossil fuel based electricity production infrastructure at least in the short term
ps283206
I just find it amazing how quickly nature reclaims the city
cousteau
Radiation...
dualmonocles
I mean yeah there's radiation, but aside from causing the city to be abandoned it didn't have anything else to do with the reclamation?
cousteau
Never seen the Simpsons episode where they add plutonium to the field so that plants grow faster? (that was the joke)
johnvictor
Nope. It's constant human intervention that keeps nature at bay. It only takes a few years for overgrowth to occur.
eraser1
Reminds me of Crysis 3
prfesser
Imgur-relevant: One banana equivalent dose is 0.098 μSv, the radiation from one banana.
cousteau
So this reading is about 70 bananas? Now I know! You da real MVP.
2shortplanks
So he got the same radiation dose as eating 68 bananas an hour.
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cousteau
uh... that doesn't make sense. (7 µSv/h) / (0.1 µSv/bna) = 70 bna/h, or did I miss something?
rentaldeception
6 microsieverts is in the range of a dental xray, according to wikipedia
prfesser
In addition to acting as an international measurement standard, the banana contains potassium-40 which is slightly radioactive.
cousteau
K
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
All that means is that it has additional measurement capabilities. What a wonderful device!
abortedbabyjesus
Hmm, so me getting exposed to 100 mSv last year probably was a bad thing is what I'm getting from this
HexCrimes
That's more than two bananas!
teslavsedison
I always go back to this from XKCD whenever I need to put relative radiation dose in perspective: https://xkcd.com/radiation/
rumandbass
I'm not smart enough to put this in perspective. I'll try studying it some more.
ErikForman
Hooray. Now I can apply for a job in the Iranian nuclear program.
PitbullsPublicist
nice chart, i still don't understand radiation properly :o
playstation360
The amount shown is less than a chest CT every month.
thecolonels
I don't think this should be an argument against nuclear power. Disasters do happen, but this area will recover and advancements should be..
thecolonels
Made in the area of nuclear reactors.
wotemer
In fact, nuclear is the most efficient and safest energy around BUT as radiation is invisible, the "renewable" lobby can scare people easily
thecolonels
Renewable is good, too. Nuclear energy is probably the best way to transfer from fossil fuels and give time for advancing solar and wind.
wotemer
Nah. Takes up way to much space and is fucking unreliable. Nuclear on the other hand has an absurd high ratio of energy per unit of fuel
thecolonels
I disagree. The heat pollution and mining necessary for nuclear power isn't as ideal as renewables, but they still need time to advance.
ImAnSJW
Is Nuclear energy not safe, or were the power plants not up to code? Is this a by-product of the tech itself, or human error?
KobeWild
Human error: A test was being conducted, Control rods that should never be removed from the reactor were pulled out to speed up the test.
kongfuchicken
Nuclear energy is safe. Greedy power companies made it unsafe. But then again, greedy corporations can make almost anything unsafe.
blueharmony
when will we learn? it's not safe. there will always be human error. there will always be contaminated waste. we are smarter than this!!!!
koobybooby
It also used previous generation reactors, very old outdated things
spazmoofer
Watch "Pandora's Promise" on Netflix. It's a documentary all about why past reactors have failed, and why nuclear is actually safe.
Sakkura
TEPCO (owner of Fukushima) falsified nuclear power plant safety documentation hundreds of times.
TestudinesMihiPlacet
The plant only had a 6 meter sea wall, which was not enough. Another plant, Onagawa NPP, had a 14 meter sea wall and was fine.
abortedbabyjesus
Onagawa actually served as a shelter for the surrounding area after the quake
TheThingNoNotThatOne
It was fine for 99% of waves.
Desertblaster72
Had the back up generators not flooded from the tsunami, the plant would have avoided the meltdown. Poorly chosen location and design
gordonisnext
Nuclear energy is one of the safest energy sources available, solar and geothermal's probably the only things safer right now
subsevid
safe until someone accidentally digs up the nuclear waste in 200 years. or another powerplant explodes (maybe in central europe?) etc
wasserhund
Last I looked nuclear is the safest form of energy, statistically speaking. And the safest industry to work in.
rando84
There were known issues with this particular reactor since the 70's (fixed in all subsequent designs) but even in Fukushima, the accident1/2
rando84
will have virtually no effect on anyone's health. Aside from Chernobyl, nuclear "disasters" are usually more psychological than physical 2/2
wotemer
the "disaster"(which was none, to be honest) was that the quake and tsunami had a far greater magnitude than anyone ever though about.
makeollimadame
Nuclear is safe. Japan is along a very active fault line. Many nuclear plants in Japan & Korea are still ok & safe.
bigjoemonger
Nuclear energy is extremely safe, as long as regulations are followed. This company cut corners to save costs resulting in failures.
bigjoemonger
The tsunami took out the coolant pumps causing the reactors to meltdown. Also a pressure release valve failed causing a gas explosion.
bigjoemonger
Then to cool the reactors they pumped sea water onto them like a fire hose but had no way to contain the contaminated runoff.
bigjoemonger
So they built hundreds of massive tanks to hold the contaminated water.
TheDouche
It would be safer without any nanny-state big-government regulation and just let it be governed by the free market.
tenconamei
Free market quickly becomes unfree, when those with money can just prevent anyone from undercutting them
beardedcynic
I don't disagree with you there but now we have social media and can get the word out when people suck so there's that which is nice.
Endlogic
Complaining when the people you're complaining about have a monopoly on an item you need does you nothing.
tenconamei
In addition to @Endlogic's point, the ones with money already control social media. Just like they control the news and most of television.
subsevid
in europe we have weekly news about nuclear plants not following code. thus most powerplants are really not "extremely safe". reality > code
bigjoemonger
You could fly a plane into a modern reactor containment building and the plane would just disintegrate
subsevid
maybe, maybe not. we've never tried and the company tells us it's safe. but they lie constantly. so many powerplants have cracks, leaks, etc
bigjoemonger
Actually they have tried it, look on YouTube. They flew an f14 tomcat into one and its titanium backbone disintegrated
bigjoemonger
Yeah thats europe. In the US nuclear plants are extremely safe because we do follow regulations.
subsevid
three mile island
bigjoemonger
Three mile island took place in 1979, before current regulations existed.
bigjoemonger
Airline pilots are exposed to more radiation than a nuclear power plant worker.
subsevid
this article describes pretty well, how we tend to underestimate the impact of rare events: http://arxiv.org/abs/1505.04722
subsevid
not when the thing explodes, ask the guys at tchernobyl. oh wait...
bigjoemonger
Chernobyl was caused by human error because they disregarded safeguards to do something the plant was not designed to do.
subsevid
that's a misleading question. the real question: are the risks worth the benefits? probably not...
Oscill8s
Are the risks of deadly airplane crashes not worth the risk of flying? Because those are far more common than nuclear accidents are.
subsevid
they're also much less devestating and they don't have long-term consequences. nuclear accidents kill people through cancer decades later
subsevid
they're also much less devestating and they don't have long-term consequences. nuclear accidents kill people through cancer decades later
WhoYouGonnaCallGhostNappa
Other nearby plants were fine because they spent more on earthquake and tsunami resistant buildings, just sayin
Argenteus1
Coal power plants cause more radiation than nuclear.
subsevid
not when they explode
Argenteus1
Small chance of melt down, vs continual radiation being literally expelled into the atmosphere as part of the design? Hmm
subsevid
coal is awful, i agree. but that doesnt excuse the devestation nuclear meltdowns cause. its not even close and its not clean at all.
Oscill8s
The difference is that coal plants release radiation during *normal operation*.
CarrierHasArrived725
That strength earthquake was also a very rare event and the plant want designed to withstand it.
Sakkura
The plant did actually withstand the earthquake okay. But then it was hit by a tsunami, which it was not at all designed for.
Moradeth
Well it was designed for it, there was a 6 meter sea wall; they didn't accommodate for the larger tsunami from the same size earthquake.
Moradeth
Onagawa NPP did prepare for it with a 14 meter sea wall. Plus Fukushima's backup generators were in the basement instead of on the roof.
Moradeth
Onagawa NPP did prepare for it with a 14 meter sea wall. Plus Fukushima's backup generators were in the basement instead of on the roof.
wasmic
The plant withstood the earthquake. It was the tsunami that caused it to go out of control.
psmudge
All nuclear energy crises were caused by human error. Also insane amount more people have died as a result of fossil fuel pollution.
rando84
Not to mention coal mining accidents and natural gas explosions, humans are terrible at rationally evaluating risk.
subsevid
we will always have humans in powerplants, you cant separate that. human risk is also powerplant risk.
FlackJacketSnackCracker
As one example, most backup generators are on roofs, so they're not lost during a flood. Fuku put them in the basement because it's cheaper.
ImAnSJW
This is what I was getting at, thank you. I didn't like the implication of the last image. Nuclear energy is useful and important.
Ihmhi
Nuclear isn't safe when you half-ass it. I think every accident has been a half-assed reactor and/or an ancient reactor (50+ years old). 1/2
Ihmhi
New reactor designs are much safer but enviros have been pushing the "nuclear isn't safe" thing for so long it's hard to build them. (2/2)
Slothbot
Typically modern plants are very very safe. Fukushima had faulty engineering that had been known about for 5 years, but was ignored.
Nippleyezus
And that´s the problem with nuclear energy. It might be "safe", but people will fuck it up sooner or later.
subsevid
lets be honest: all powerplants have some fault, they're never up to code...
Slothbot
Completely avoidable, and is what should be focused on for the blame.
EverythingISeeIsAJojosReference
Every issue with nuclear disaster has been proven to be at the fault of safety standards
subsevid
nuclear powerplants commonly break safety standards. if they can't follow them, it's not safe, sry. we must measure reality, not idealism
Xirema
Which would be a valid argument against Nuclear Power if this weren't endemic across the entire Energy Industry.
GlavinChris
So much this.. it's actually one of the safest forms of energy, and new technology has it as 100% clean with no chance of even purpose leak
subsevid
that's bullshit, sry. there will always be another accident, there will always be idiots cutting corners. you're just repeating lobbyists.
GlavinChris
Google is your friend.
subsevid
no. google tells you what you want to hear. search for "chemtrails" and it will tell you the world is run by lizards.
Luvvie
What do they do with waste? Or do these not produce any?
GlavinChris
They reuse the waste through the plant.
subsevid
exactly, there is tons of waste. digging uranium up causes lots of CO2. nuclear power is very far from "clean".
GlavinChris
Do you know how much co2 is used to build solar and wind plants?
wolfpreist
It also took a Earthquake and Tsunami before there was any radiation leak. Think about that, it had bad engineering and was safe until 1/
wolfpreist
3/ diesel cooling pumps got flooded and the reactor core was still cooling off after shutdown, causing the coolant to turn to steam and
johnvictor
This talks well about its robustness taking two severe disasters to cause containment failure. It's not like Chernobyl in the slightest.
wolfpreist
4/ release radiation along with the steam.
wolfpreist
2/ it was hit by a tsunami. Even then it wasn't a meltdown, the reactor was shutdown, it was Radiation from boiling coolant because the
Slothbot
Yeah, and if I remember correctly both the earthquake and tsunami weren't on the small end of the scale either
wolfpreist
Exactly.Also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9M__yYbsZ4 Thorium Reactors have inherent safety vs engineered safety like current tech
ImAnSJW
Yes, this was my understanding. Last image felt like they were trying to say "Look! Irony!" as though nuclear energy itself was to blame.
ProphetTenebrae
6.7 microsieverts? That's not even an order of magnitude higher than the global average for background radiation.
wotemer
BUT RADIATION KILLS!!!... -.-
cleverusername69
Soooo it's safe?
RamirezGoDoEverything
It's safe enough to drop by without protective gear and to loot all you can carry. However you shouldn't live there.
cousteau
So like Detroit then?
RamirezGoDoEverything
Hmm yes only not as dark and virtually untouched by looters in comparison.
Jrockthecasbah88
https://youtu.be/ZsuVtIuiruI people should watch Pandora's Promise on Netflix. Nuclear energy gets a bad wrap.
BeardBeginner
+1 for knowledge
pistolio
6.7/hr, background radiation is per year. Therefore an annual exposure of this level is around 20x higher than the global average of 3mSv/yr
McNublets
20 times background is still negligible considering the allotted maximum per year is 50,000 mSv/yr.
ThatOneGuyPablo
No clue what you said but you get em OP :)
peachiepie
It's like getting a chest CT scan every hour.
AKittenRidingABurritoThroughSpace
Sources: http://www.radiol">ty-xray">http://www.radiologyinfo.org/en/info.cfm?pg=safety-xray http://xkcd.com/radiation/
AKittenRidingABurritoThroughSpace
A chest CT is a LOT higher (around 10mSv). This is closer to a dental xray every hour.
playstation360
Micro, not milli. It's like a chest CT every 1000 hours (41 days)
LumpWithaLeafHat
You tell 'em, OP. SCIENCE. (Although this is math.)
cousteau
So only 1.3 OOM higher? Doesn't really seem like too much.
ProphetTenebrae
A good point but I'd point out that our understanding of low level radiation exposure is piss poor. Everyone was wrong about Chernobyl.
TerriblePokemon
Except all the parts with the really high amounts of radiation
wessyfbaby
get mathed son
williammurderfacemurderfacemurderface
So, apparently there's a slightly radioactive Yamaha grand piano, just standing there? I'm taking it.
angelus6
These pictures just remind me of godzilla movie that was recently released
Dokramuh
Saw the bike, thought the same.
NemoAlistairNobody
It's a Kawasaki W800 or 650, I would ride that even if it was glowing.
Dokramuh
You're a pretty cool guy/gal and fully deserve an upvote for that info.
G11marksman
I saw it and immediately thought this. How dangerous would the retrieval be?
AceVanquish
About 6.7
andycristea
no, it's about yes
subsevid
it's illegal and the town is guarded. only [former] residents are allowed in to tend to their property.
andycristea
yes
herebekrakens
Said the soon-to-be supervillian...
DandyTheFuckingDandelion
Craigslist be like...
ProgressiveChant
I want that rad collection of bikes!
AWholeBouquetOfWhoopsieDaisies
Bring some rad-x, you'll be fine!
JupiterJedi
Pic #4... That bike...I like that shit. I wants it!
BanadecCamberbootch
By Spiderman rules, practicing on that thing would make you really fucking amazing.
TywinStannister
Does this mean that everyone who works in a nuclear powerplant are super good at it?
TywinStannister
Does this mean that everyone who works in a nuclear powerplant are super good at it?
DocB630
Make sure to stock up on Rad-Away.
NicolasFalch
And remember kids; don`t feed the Yao guai, that is all
photomomma88
Make sure to pop a couple of Rad X too before you head in there!
IrrelevantButPlausibleConspiracyTheories
Yeah, seeing that thing broke my heart. I wouldn't mind a bit of background radiation in my home if it meant a free grand.
Subdominant
Hey, 60k is 60k
williammurderfacemurderfacemurderface
Not sure if your username refers to music or bdsm...
KillerPinnochio
And slightly radioactive cars just sitting there for the taking! Right?!
Thephedora
I...don't think it is slight...
rentaldeception
6 microsieverts is in the range of a dental xray
DeltaLaw
You're only exposed to a dental xray for a few seconds. Dentists leave the room because consistent exposure over time is dangerous.
thtguyjosh
So realistically what's the damage on having a radioactive piano in your living room
Broomghost69
I thought the same thing about that motorcycle...
measyouinalternateuniverses
Me too actually
Kamsa12
When I first started playing Fallout NV and got to the part where you can go up the road to an NCR base, there were SO MANY motorcycles 1/2
Kamsa12
And I was so fucking upset that I couldn't get to ride one of them that after I finished 90% of the entire game I nuked them twice.
Broomghost69
I love you for bringing fallout to this post.
Kamsa12
Thanks, but really I wanted to get one of the motorcycles so fucking bad.
isaiahdaplaya
My groin shuttered
Broomghost69
*awkward finger guns and a harsh wink*
CupofStea
Just have to wear a haz suit over your leathers. No problem.
TheDamDog
Crime in Japan is pretty low. People leave stuff lying around all the time.
McGreed
Yeah, no, I'm not putting anything radiactive between my legs like that, just a general rule... So fuck off Hulk, not happening!
AreYouSuggestingThatCoconutsMigrate
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ef/18/e3/ef18e3a96f509efdc9ca865c6b6d5792.jpg
Steelthyass
*that one gif*