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i think this scene in particular resonates with many people, and i love that star trek tackled the issue of depression
isthisthekrustrykrabnothisispatrick
"I'm not going there to die. I'm going to find out if I'm really alive."
syntheticgod8
What really screwed me up was realizing that Neelix's intense optimism and agreeableness is over-compensation for the PTSD he suffers from.
Noahbalboa82
She hurt herself that day, to see if she still feels
tibris
is this where they find out the Maquis have all been wiped out?
sevrono
I have BPD and BD1 and rewatching Voyager I really identified with Tom Paris
goflyblind
Blazefast
You have no idea, good luck fellow searchers for happiness..
Safebox36
1) ouch, that hurt on a personal level. 2) this is why, after 2 failed suicide attempts, I still self-harm at low points
blueyedwineaux
Glad you are still with us. And it’s been years, but sometimes I still want to self harm too.
swattyKnotts
Did they rip this from NIN or the other way around?
Acc87
nah its an old mantra, long before NIN
twin2knowsbest
I've just started re-watching Voyager! Such a good show
Ovaender
Lvaneede
I just want to say that Voyager is my favourite series
Penthesilean
Fun fact: Voyager is rewatched more on Netflix by a wide margin than any other Star Trek series. I love all five OG series, but that’s odd.
kamosey
Which 'Hangover' is this?
Mewmus
Voyager is my favorite Star Trek series
TheKingOfCrows
I always have an upvote for Voyager.
OldGameMaster
“I hurt myself today. To see if I still feel. I focus on the pain. The only thing that’s real...”
imnotlostinlifeijustdonthaveanywheretogo
She was a darling sadly her makeup on the show didn't show that off
BrianAspirin
The best Voyager scene is the one where Tuvok chokes Neelix
Mephane
"I find your lack of logic disturbing."
AndrewBuggy
Thats up there with Scratchy eventually getting the better of Itchy.
FishingWarship
Yeah fuck that Neelix jack wagon!
OriginAtro
"I double-dare you, Talaxian. Say 'Mr. Vulcan' one more goddamn time."
TheSpectacularNakedFlyingBeefBowlRobotsfromtheSouthsideofKronos
Then two crew members fight for her, one in which she gets married with and gets pregs with the "savior" of another species.
LaughingMan2Gig
New Star Trek would say this to a depressed character
Heatseeker49
Literally watched this episode today. Weird. Good episode tho for sure
JanewayOut
^_-
AustralopithecusBoisei
Johnny Cash - Hurt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHCfZTRGiI I never felt like hurting myself but this song helped me understand a bit
thisguyonline1988
A girl in highschool showed her scars to me and asked if I thought they were cool..... Told her she really needed mental help instead.
Acc87
lol same happened to me. At a concert no less. Didn't even know her before. Wounds still fresh. Send security to her
thisguyonline1988
Man....people do screwed up things for attention.
HonestCommentFarmer
It's interesting that Brannon Braga was the best thing to happen to TNG and the worst thing to happen to Voyager.
benreich
Held Enterprise back too until Season 4 when the show became exponentially better (The stupid first and last eps aside)
HonestCommentFarmer
That's debateable. I thought the Xindi thing was the best of the show.
billyrayvalentine
Voyager is my Jam and Janeway is my captain. She might be inconsistent at times, but what a voice!
YouLoveThat
TheStoveYouLeftOn
This would be a good alternative to the hotdogs-to-the-face-girl gif if someone could swap the tribbles for hot dogs.
HappyLittleBoozer
There may be tribble ahead.
dcx3
There's got to be a better way!
Nolfelix115
This was the first film my grandmother got for her vcr player back in the early 2000’s we burned the tape out with how many times we watched
YouLoveThat
Worth it.
MutteringMisanthrope
AnonOmis1000
Evil spock?
SlyMrFox
Slightly more ambitious Spock.
ThreeLineRifle
MadJackMcJack
Rangermcclure
She's hotter as a klingon
natachan
The only problem I had with this episode is where she's suddenly okay and then they never speak of it again. She could have had a PTSD arc
HonestCommentFarmer
With Voyager the Status Quo isn't sacred, it's a goddamn religion.
The701
But she had banana pancakes, and she smiled! Depression: Cured! Yay! Of course this was the "old days" for TV when binge-watching a series
The701
wasn't done like it is now. I think stories that spanned episodes scared some producers. "But people will completely forget 100% of what
The701
happened last week. We can't have arcs like that!"
Acc87
If people missed an episode they had to wait for the rerun a year later or the VHS release (if you didn't record at home). Different times
natachan
We didn't get it on TV so we had to buy the VHS off the bat. We used to get a ds9 and voyager tape at the same time, I guess monthly?
Cpthornswoggler
When star trek had a soul, and was intelligently written.
MinnesotaMathew
we can't like the old stuff and the new stuff?
pochombo
Nah Star Trek is is best when people are droppin f-bombs, dual-wielding laser rifles and a billion ships are shooting lasers at each other.
TheYoungerChrisEvans
Murica in Spaaaaaaaaace
Illithidbane
MDtheGM
If that's all you saw in the news shows you didn't actually pay attention.
pochombo
You get an XL pizza and a slice has a turd on it. "If you only saw the turd then you weren't paying attention to the rest of the pizza."
MDtheGM
given how many stupid and cringe scenes were in every Trek series, your analogy would have the whole franchise in the garbage.
rosebudthesled
I mean there were def episodes where they phoned in the intelligence. But yes, when they were better they were much better.
ChaosResolution
Though I would say that's the case even for TNG.
Acc87
of TNG only maybe the best 20% are remembered today. There were a lot of stupid/cheap episodes in it that everyone forgot about.
011100000110100101100101
I love the holodeck episodes though. a lot of them are steaming hot garbage as far as writing but damn are they fun
corbor4
Elementary, Dear Data is one of my favorites.
billyrayvalentine
HUGHgReaction
Did you see the Star Trek “shorts” huge disappointment
hetriedtokillmewithaforklift
Are you Mike or Rich? Or Plinkett?
vindik8or
Nah. They know that Voyager is also bad.
VonFuriku
Oh yeah? Just saying, I'm pretty sure some parallels to last season of GOT can be drawn from Voyager too..
FishingWarship
Yeah unlike discovery
mardukkur
You must be confused, this is a scene from Voyager.
tirrafirma
I like the full long story lines. Sometimes the episodic stuff repeated itself all too often. I do agree with the word 'intelligently' here
goflyblind
HellbirdIV
Voyager's writers implied in a later episode that this episode didn't happen, which is fine by me.
Penthesilean
How did they imply it? Give me a canon reason to skip it on my next series rewatch. Please.
HellbirdIV
In a later episode, Tom Paris says he's never traveled in a "transwarp corridor" before. You could say that a transwarp corridor is ->
HellbirdIV
-> different to "regular" transwarp, but the fact they make specifically him say it, for seemingly no reason, is sort of a wink-wink-nudge.
GodzillaHarddiskson
If only they'd thought of that before making it. Warp 10, yes. Lizards? Wtf.
Neoeon
Yeees. I'm not the only one who thinks the new stuff is a marker of the world turning into Idiocracy.
IconicM
Idiocracy is a utopia compared to what we have now: https://youtu.be/OmZOZjHjT5E
AncientSeraph
You're not,there's way too many people thinking theyre clever by referencing Idiocracy,instead of realizing they're becoming grumpy old men.
Neoeon
Saying that sounds better than declaring that the world is descending into idiocy due to defunding education, or haven't you noticed it?
duckfn35
Uh...I loved Voyager but it the was worst star trek, every character was the person from beginning to end, except for Seven. I still rewatch
kystos
The worst Trek? Should I start singin Faith of the heart?
Acc87
Doctor and Seven. Kim was the worst, always reverted back to Ensign Virgin. Janeway was all over the place.
kcsx
I still wonder why they screwed up Kim’s character so royally. It’s almost like they did it on purpose.
Frogapus
MRW you forget the REAL best character development from Voyager
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lordofthedice
This. Loved the Doctor.
flavivsaetivs
Uhhh... this was Voyager. It was good once in a while but this one really lacked direction and Tuvok, Doctor, and Seven carried the show.
BozoThePie
This very scene features Chakotay, one of the most undeveloped main crew characters in the whole franchise
Acc87
aaand then he wanted to bone Seven when she still (in terms of mental development) acted like a prepubescent child. Very weird dev decision
Illithidbane
He was Maquis. Anti-federation freedom fighter lawless rebel. Then in about 3 seconds, loyal subordinate to his captain. Wasted potential.
flavivsaetivs
They didn't address this at all even tho DS9 was running at the same time too IIRC.
vindik8or
Voyager is not the best example of the things that you're saying.
Eiladar
It may not have always been present in Voyager, but at least it checked in once in a while.
PaintedSlate
I really enjoyed Voyager, while being aware of the flaws. Is the new stuff really that flatly bad?
vindik8or
The new stuff is pretty bad. That doesn't excuse Voyager for its rancid badness, though.
Elnauriel
This is my opinion, but the new stuff completely misses the mark. It focuses on the wrong stuff and doubles down on it.
benreich
Kurtzman has destroyed the franchise
matthiasfactor
Let’s don’t make a blanket statement here, VOY had some issues. But overall, yes, it was pretty good times.
vindik8or
Voyager had serious foundational issues that vastly overshadowed the series, even the times it was legitimately good.
matthiasfactor
VOY and ENT are ST that I can put on in the background and listen to. DIS is a show I have to pay attention to.
TerribleAwful
CafeNervosa
I think The Orville would help a lot.
siccoyote
oooh nooo
SidneyMajora
Can somebody please tell him?!
Ovaender
I really, really like the first season :D
allofyoursmiles
I'm so sorry.
Ovaender
I'm sorry for you. I've seen so many who can't look past the immediate surface and are easily dissapointed.
CafeNervosa
I'm glad you're able to see the good side of it
Ovaender
Thank you :)
CafeNervosa
You're most welcome! :-)
cancerriddenlung
That ain't gonna end well.
HalTheMisinterpretivePornStar
It didnt start well, let's be honest
Undrave
Just go and discover the crazy animated series if you want more 'Trek.
cancerriddenlung
I should probably watch Voyager or Enterprise first.
Undrave
That too yeah
Xeddius
While it doesn't feel like TNG and was never meant to, it's at least better than STD.
cancerriddenlung
That's like winning the retard spelling bee.
FairylandTrashCollector
A real STD is better than ST:D.
cancerriddenlung
Mercpkt
Its like being the tallest midget
KnowmSaying
My toilet after a night of heavy drinking and kebabs is better than STD
ThanatosElNyx
Call it DIS. By using ST you are calling it Star Trek and that is too good for it!
cancerriddenlung
It's called STD for good reason.
Jusmar
STD works, because nobody really wants it
bobstrange
Thats a low bar for it to hurdle mind you.
CarrieUnderboob
Ha! I was about to reply with, "That's setting the bar pretty f**king low." Glad you beat me to it. +1
Cackfog
You would need tunnelling equipment to get under that low bar
SoraHjort
I remember the low bar being ENT. Was Dis that bad?
ThanatosElNyx
S2 got better. Basically anything without Klingons was okay. S3 should hopefully be better. Something true of most Star Trek
popejubal
Discovery first season is grimdark, but it was done well and the second season is much less dark. I like it.
Dhatudhatu
I think Discovery is better. I had a lot of issues with the first season, but after the second season, many of them were resolved.
BrockEffingSamson
If it wasn't called "Star Trek" it would be a forgettable high-budget space adventure show with poor writing.
CarrieUnderboob
I wasn't a fan of ENT when it came out. But watching it a few years later, I really liked it. It was very similar with VOY for me.
Xeddius
I mean, what do you expect when TNG, DS9, and VOY set the bar? Without the original writers and Gene to push ideas forward it never will.
cancerriddenlung
Tell that to the Orville.
bobstrange
I still live in hope that someone good will pick up the franchise one day , someone who "gets" it.
Xeddius
The only person I've seen that would is Seth McFarlane, The Orville is modeled similar (aside from his comedy during the beginning eps).
TairaMai
Voyager could have been so much more.
causality
Tom was just so fucking boring. Harry too.
SaveTheMuggles
Fing Chakotay. Most wasted character ever. Starfleet graduate, threw in his commision because he disagreed with policy 1
SaveTheMuggles
Fought a war with the federation/cardassions, then saved a fedearation crew at the time looking like sacrificing his own 2
SaveTheMuggles
Won the respect of that cerw as first officer. Then every episode he is in its "Chakotay does a dream walk" or some other specific to 3
SaveTheMuggles
what he is instead of who he is. And that tagged on romance with 7? Could have been one of the best and deepest characters ever
effigyoma
Voyager's second half is excellent. I wish the final episode was a 6-10 parter though. It needed an epilog.
tempestfoxthree
Definitely did something right. 6 of the 10 most streamed star trek episodes on Netflix are Voyager episodes. The other 4 are TNG.
dReDone
Voyager was excellent. Anyone who doesn't see that is blinded by their love for previous Star Treks
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
It felt like it tried to be TOS, TNG, and DS9 all at the same time and it just didn't work with the seriousness/goofiness thrown together.
dReDone
See that's my exact point lol.
effigyoma
The second half was excellent, it left me wanting more
OverthinkingThis
I do like Voyager but I will also admit Voyager had some of the worst episodes of star trek as well.
GoodChange
Most of them were good, many great and a small number quite bad. Overall I like voyager at about the same lvl as ds9 and tng
MoxRavager
Threshold reaches that point of being so bad that it's almost good. I love seeing new fans react to "infinite speed salamander sex"
Pokedmeinthecoconut
Not factual. Voyager's writing turned to shit and they abandoned the original premise of the show. Then they got tits mcgee on board.
Pokedmeinthecoconut
Although 7 or 9, pictured here:
Bringing her on was not enough to save the show. The writing went south.
jwillr86
Kes was dumb whiny and useless. Tits McGee had a better backstory from the get-go
Pokedmeinthecoconut
Kes deserves scorn.
miados
and they just basically kept using older opponents/conflicts/etc instead of building up new. how often was q there? the borg?
miados
and how many episodes actually never happened?
Bugkeeper
They abandoned the original premise? How so? I always assumed the core idea was to get back to the alpha quadrant if possible?
Illithidbane
There was a plan for the Fed vs. Maquis angle to actually matter, but all the rebels because loyal officers immediately.
GoodChange
Not all.
Pokedmeinthecoconut
They went from limping along to super over powered, taking on the borg, and being bad ass. Where the original premise was just to survive.
Pokedmeinthecoconut
Happened with the last 2 seasons of Stargate also. Go from being tactical to just wiping the floor with the Goauld.
ReverseMath
Progression, noooo!!
miados
honestly how many runabouts did they have? I seem to remember them blowing up a lot. plus how many episodes technically never happened?
StephsStar
Because runabout are small they can be built. They had to use replicator to make the parts and then put them together.
miados
well maybe after 7 of 9 showed up and helped optimize their replicators, but that would take time to get parts and build. plus they had 1/2
miados
episodes about how they had replicator rations as a plot point or mentioned. makes it seem harder for that to be the core thing.
xBenoitBallsx
Honestly would have liked to see a few more Borg fights.
dReDone
Is this sarcasm?
cadburyegg
For all the crap Voyager got during its run, it is currently the most streamed of all the Star Trek series. Clearly it did something right.
Khrome
I binged it during Quarantine.. good stuff. They ruined the Borg tho
Rizz010
My GF just introduced it to me, we have been binging it for the last couple weeks. Good times so far, I don’t get the hate but I’m no trekie
SinisterStingray
Probably because fewer people watched it on the air and are desperate for quality Trek content.
vindik8or
So why Voyager?
SinisterStingray
Dunno. I don’t get into trek until much later.
vindik8or
It's just you mentioned something about quality Trek...
vindik8or
Tapped into that banal, uncritical Star Trek audience real hard.
HonestCommentFarmer
When it was airing, when I was still a kid, I welcomed Voyager as a return to form compared to DS9's Soap Opera in Space.
HonestCommentFarmer
Seen 1 episode/week, it's harder to spot the problems and that first season was (imo) fantastic, which generated a lot of good will for me.
vindik8or
You're not going to win many points badmouthing the objective best Star Trek series like that.
HonestCommentFarmer
I was a kid. I didn't care about interpersonal drama, I wanted space wedgies and strange new worlds.
JoannaLovebody
I'm currently watching DS9 for the first time ever and I think it's becoming my favorite Star Trek Series,...
flavivsaetivs
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS YOU ARE CORRECT.
CapSiskoismyhero
DS9 is my absolute favorite. The depth it goes because it's a space station really gives you a glimpse into federation life.
EvilDeadTed
YOU BETRAYED YOUR UNIFORM!
The701
"And you've betrayed yours!" | "NO U!!!"
obarey
Yo ST-bro.I am watching DS9 fir the first time, and currently in 3rd season. Love the characters and relationships,even children,unlike TNG.
MoxRavager
DS9 got new life with Netflix. When it was on TV if you missed some episodes you could get lost. DS9 is perfect for Netflix binge sessions.
HonestCommentFarmer
The stories are some of the best of Star Trek. I find most of the characters less compelling than other Treks. Except Garak. Garak is Beau.
miados
i played a d&d cleric whose holy text was a tweaked rules of acquisition. the only reason he didn't charge his party was they protected him.
ReverseMath
DS9 somehow managed to simultaneously be the best and worst ST series. In spite of its flaws, it's still probably my favourite.
miados
just remember when you feel like the story is to complex you can at least count on the simplicity of a simple honest tailor.
cancerriddenlung
DS9 is my favorite. Just rewatched it last year.
miados
nog to me is what they hoped to do with wesley crusher in regards to joining the federation. heck in some non show content nog actually 1/2
miados
beat the kobayashi maru..... twice..... without cheating like kirk did.
HerrGrumps
FIRST TIME!?! AWWW YISSS You're in for a treat friend
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
In the Pale Moonlight! In the Pale Moonlight! God even watching that for the third time I noticed new things including foreshadowing.
JoannaLovebody
Yes! I'm excited! Fell in love with Sisko when he punched Q in the face and then he's whining: "Picard never punched me!" And Sisko,...
JoannaLovebody
answered: "Well I'm not Picard!" Frigging awesome.
PonyMadness
Which platform is DS9 available on?
SinisterStingray
Prime
HerrGrumps
It's on Netflix in Australia
TheCapnJoe
It's all on hulu
PonyMadness
Hulu also has commercials which is the reason why I hated watching TV in the first place.
Tionki
The pirate bay
dividedby0
Should be on us Netflix now too
lordofthedice
Yeah, Netflix has had all of the Star Trek series on it for a while, now in the US.