Sep 29, 2022 11:38 PM
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Washington Examiner revealed its new cover
Frencheeseater
iamjackscompletelackofcompassion
interesting that a super right wing rag is going with this
HandoB4Javert
PolarBearMarket
I see no future where Ukraine can retake its land. Not without massive donations of offensive weapons. NATO is gliding into war, gradual.
ProphetGOC
Meme'd on.
Everythingstaken0
It'll realistically be a decade at least before Ukraine meets the requirements for full EU membership. Gotta tackle the corruption.
TrollPhysics
Did Russia miss a payment? Why is the shit rag flexing on them all of a sudden?
PerpetuityPhoto
It's a nice cover, but I want an ending to the war where Putin's head is no longer attached to his shoulders.
oblimo
At this point the only way this can possibly end is with Putin's death, one way or other. I hope the bastard doesn't take millions with him.
LizardEnterprises
Spoiler alert: He's gona take at least a million.
MrCroupAndMrVandemar
MacallanNeat
Putin can’t win, but I think he’s trying to make sure Ukraine doesn’t either. He still has a lot of people to throw at them.
No its not just spite - he's still trying to win. He's just... no a military guy, and he's surrounded by yes-men.
He has no idea how pointless this is, and he feels like he needs to do *something*.
ItsACrazyWorld
The war isn't over yet... far from over..
swedeonamoose
Now the war happens on "Russian" soil which means Putin is even more free to deal with it how he wants then before,chemical weapons included
psmith00
All the world needs is for Putin to make the one mistake that would bring NATO into it. The combined forces of NATO, created for just =>
that moment would completely overpower Russia since they were designed to match the USSR. Nukes would be the final disaster for everyone.
majortool
Fuck the Washington Examiner.
therealalansmithee
M-O-O-N Spells Moonies
Kalli
I mean it'll be a shitty bombed out mess looted by the ultrarich and ruled over by thuggish violent bands. But not Russian ones, so progress
basicisaac
I’m pro Ukraine but it does have a huge organized crime problem. In fact, the gangs are problem for much of the western world too.
A lot of people here who were against sending weapons was mainly worried about those ending up in criminal hands after the war.
Gangs, politicians there a difference?
GeneralPrower
Bold of them to assume Putin won't be a sore loser and just nuke everyone.
DisgruntledFerret
If he drops nukes on Ukraine, that's WW3. And given the state of the rest of his military, he can't have enough working nukes to "win" WW3.
A nuclear WW3 wont have a winner, even if your country is not directly hit the fallout is gonna travel everywhere.
CGWN
Since when is the Washington Examiner anti-Putin?
ADegenFromUpcountry
I don't know if it's anti-Putin so much as being realistic. Other WE articles seem resigned to RU losing the war or resorting to nukes
Mockingbirb
Since he's losing, probably
Immaletchufinishbutno
Super confused.
doobiedoobop
They know how much money is in rebuilding a country.
Bytencoder
Maybe since he's losing..?
Yup. I’d have to read the article first. Seeing the other headlines, wouldn’t be surprised if the article was about Russia being the victim.
schlockchurch
Yeah I was confused because I thought the Examiner was a pretty right wing publication.
BaronSpaghetti
Owned by moonies.
RobinClaassen
Supporting Ukraine is a pretty non-partisan issue in the US.
SexyAttackHelicopter
Cant win? Swap sides! Duh
Redshadow09
wait what does the gold medal ELL mean?
harthram
EU
ah her fingers was covering the bottom line and I thought it was Ell
Cyberjvh
I think that likely says EU with her fingers covering the bottom of the U.
yup that finger tricked me
silentjay01
I could see a scenario where futurists use Ukraine as a testing ground for "Smart City" tech. With so much infrastructure that is needed...
ToSisPoS
Like London in 1666.
mrthewhitee
For the love of God don't let "futurists" take control of Ukraine. That's just a code word for greedy billionair with computers.
monkeyshines
I don't know -- it has historically been a very corrupt country. That sort of cultural norm takes a long time to change.
Ruderali
Or drastic social upheval.
JohnSmithterms
I would love to see Ukraine turned into a better version of south korea. That would be a fantastic thing to see.
crthaze
What starts out as "Futurists testing Smart City tech" quickly turns into to "Capitalist Corporations building Cyberpunk Dystopia"
neutronfish
For many Ukrainians, a cyberpunk dystopia is basically the expected outcome of the 21st century.
Scorch052
For humanity*
smellsmiketeenspirit
Fuck no, Smart City tech funds in Europe are plagued with frauds and comp. illiterate experts siphoning all the money. UKR deserves better.
reflecter
Unfortunately, corruption and culture in Ukraine is quite similar to Russia, which makes a risky investm. Source: I've grown up in the area.
If i remember right, Ukraine was seen as one of the most corrupted countries in Europe pre war.
...companies could benefit from some good will for charging little to nothing to try new technologies and city layouts.
ExplainsTheReasoningBehindHowHeVotes
downvoted for forgetting how the Iraq rebuild effort went
redpandabanana
Zelenskyy is more competent I’d think. He’s not going to let dumb fuck shit for brain contractors do a sloppy cash grab
Puppydonk
I don't think Iraq got a huge amount of international support.
BumpusMcPhumpusAngeletes
Charging little to nothing? That’s not how this works! /s
Oh there will be trillions of our tax dollars funding it. Billions will go to these companies so millions can be spent delivering a k or 2
It is if you want them to choose your project over more tried & true methods & when the U.S. government covers the difference in cost.
InsomniaOlympic
So you want to pay them in....exposure?
majorminers
Its not art. These are billion dollar companies with tech to prove.
bippityboppitybuttsex
We need a new Marshall Plan to rebuilt Ukraine... with seized Russian assets.
tentacularfleshscape
Just gotta be careful not to repeat treaty of Versailles
StarscreamAndHutch
*eastern Ukraine
DukeDarkwood
Assuming Ukraine wants it. They've got their work cut out fixing what Russia broke in THEIR lands; they can't fix what the Russians broke in
Russia on top of that. Also, the Ukranians aren't land-devouring power-hungry warlords with delusions of tsardom.
Krakencrotch
"Assuming Ukraine wants it" Of course they don't. It's not like they fought a fucking war all year for it or anything.
They fought a war to keep Russia out. NOT to take Russia.
SteveMND
I really do hope that will be the case, but I honestly see the situation as more of something that eventually just simmers down into the >
wilkins1952
What will happen is Russia will defend Donbas region for about 2 years and keep firing missiles into Ukrain then offer a peace treaty for it
Gvilain
they don't have that many missiles, they are already using anti air ones quite often
< equivalent of Afghanistan with the two sides dealing with a 20-year-long proxy war which never quite ends or changing hands, but leaving >
Jsupes
I don’t think Afghanistan would have lasted 20 years if the US had instituted a draft after the first 6 months of fighting
Fr1edToast
Just got to wait for Russia to kill 3K+ civilians in a devastating homeland attack. If only the State would allow that to happen.
MasterOdin
Afghanistan isn't as comparable as there's no nation building that needs to happen, nor a full government replacement.
BrokeMyFunnyBone
There are definitely a lot of parallels between the two, but the USSR was stronger then than Russia is now, and that 10 year proxy war broke
them. Putin's probably not keen on repeating the same mistake, but he's also unlikely to ever admit defeat, so a long drawn out war could be
his only choice, aside from nukes/total war.
< the Ukrainian people miserable, and figurately (if not literally) ground into the dust. I hope I'm wrong, though.
GadenKerensky
It's not likely to go that way. Ukraine has the backing of the West, Russia appears to be scrounging for men and resources. Furthermore, >
Afghanistan was an insurgency war. The insurgencies in Ukraine are fighting the Russians. For the Ukrainian Government. Which is still VERY>
intact. The Ukrainian military has been making pushes into Russian occupied territory. And they are motivated, they want to drive Russia >
out. Russia cannot sustain this war. Nor can Ukraine, really, but Ukraine has much better support than Russia does.
Frencheeseater
iamjackscompletelackofcompassion
interesting that a super right wing rag is going with this
HandoB4Javert
PolarBearMarket
I see no future where Ukraine can retake its land. Not without massive donations of offensive weapons. NATO is gliding into war, gradual.
ProphetGOC
Meme'd on.
Everythingstaken0
It'll realistically be a decade at least before Ukraine meets the requirements for full EU membership. Gotta tackle the corruption.
TrollPhysics
Did Russia miss a payment? Why is the shit rag flexing on them all of a sudden?
PerpetuityPhoto
It's a nice cover, but I want an ending to the war where Putin's head is no longer attached to his shoulders.
oblimo
At this point the only way this can possibly end is with Putin's death, one way or other. I hope the bastard doesn't take millions with him.
LizardEnterprises
Spoiler alert: He's gona take at least a million.
MrCroupAndMrVandemar
MacallanNeat
Putin can’t win, but I think he’s trying to make sure Ukraine doesn’t either. He still has a lot of people to throw at them.
LizardEnterprises
No its not just spite - he's still trying to win. He's just... no a military guy, and he's surrounded by yes-men.
LizardEnterprises
He has no idea how pointless this is, and he feels like he needs to do *something*.
ItsACrazyWorld
The war isn't over yet... far from over..
swedeonamoose
Now the war happens on "Russian" soil which means Putin is even more free to deal with it how he wants then before,chemical weapons included
psmith00
All the world needs is for Putin to make the one mistake that would bring NATO into it. The combined forces of NATO, created for just =>
psmith00
that moment would completely overpower Russia since they were designed to match the USSR. Nukes would be the final disaster for everyone.
majortool
Fuck the Washington Examiner.
therealalansmithee
M-O-O-N Spells Moonies
Kalli
I mean it'll be a shitty bombed out mess looted by the ultrarich and ruled over by thuggish violent bands. But not Russian ones, so progress
basicisaac
I’m pro Ukraine but it does have a huge organized crime problem. In fact, the gangs are problem for much of the western world too.
swedeonamoose
A lot of people here who were against sending weapons was mainly worried about those ending up in criminal hands after the war.
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Gangs, politicians there a difference?
GeneralPrower
Bold of them to assume Putin won't be a sore loser and just nuke everyone.
DisgruntledFerret
If he drops nukes on Ukraine, that's WW3. And given the state of the rest of his military, he can't have enough working nukes to "win" WW3.
swedeonamoose
A nuclear WW3 wont have a winner, even if your country is not directly hit the fallout is gonna travel everywhere.
CGWN
Since when is the Washington Examiner anti-Putin?
ADegenFromUpcountry
I don't know if it's anti-Putin so much as being realistic. Other WE articles seem resigned to RU losing the war or resorting to nukes
Mockingbirb
Since he's losing, probably
Immaletchufinishbutno
Super confused.
doobiedoobop
They know how much money is in rebuilding a country.
Bytencoder
Maybe since he's losing..?
basicisaac
Yup. I’d have to read the article first. Seeing the other headlines, wouldn’t be surprised if the article was about Russia being the victim.
schlockchurch
Yeah I was confused because I thought the Examiner was a pretty right wing publication.
BaronSpaghetti
Owned by moonies.
RobinClaassen
Supporting Ukraine is a pretty non-partisan issue in the US.
SexyAttackHelicopter
Cant win? Swap sides! Duh
Redshadow09
wait what does the gold medal ELL mean?
harthram
EU
Redshadow09
ah her fingers was covering the bottom line and I thought it was Ell
Cyberjvh
I think that likely says EU with her fingers covering the bottom of the U.
Redshadow09
yup that finger tricked me
silentjay01
I could see a scenario where futurists use Ukraine as a testing ground for "Smart City" tech. With so much infrastructure that is needed...
ToSisPoS
Like London in 1666.
mrthewhitee
For the love of God don't let "futurists" take control of Ukraine. That's just a code word for greedy billionair with computers.
monkeyshines
I don't know -- it has historically been a very corrupt country. That sort of cultural norm takes a long time to change.
Ruderali
Or drastic social upheval.
JohnSmithterms
I would love to see Ukraine turned into a better version of south korea. That would be a fantastic thing to see.
crthaze
What starts out as "Futurists testing Smart City tech" quickly turns into to "Capitalist Corporations building Cyberpunk Dystopia"
neutronfish
For many Ukrainians, a cyberpunk dystopia is basically the expected outcome of the 21st century.
Scorch052
For humanity*
smellsmiketeenspirit
Fuck no, Smart City tech funds in Europe are plagued with frauds and comp. illiterate experts siphoning all the money. UKR deserves better.
reflecter
Unfortunately, corruption and culture in Ukraine is quite similar to Russia, which makes a risky investm. Source: I've grown up in the area.
swedeonamoose
If i remember right, Ukraine was seen as one of the most corrupted countries in Europe pre war.
silentjay01
...companies could benefit from some good will for charging little to nothing to try new technologies and city layouts.
ExplainsTheReasoningBehindHowHeVotes
downvoted for forgetting how the Iraq rebuild effort went
redpandabanana
Zelenskyy is more competent I’d think. He’s not going to let dumb fuck shit for brain contractors do a sloppy cash grab
Puppydonk
I don't think Iraq got a huge amount of international support.
BumpusMcPhumpusAngeletes
Charging little to nothing? That’s not how this works! /s
Ruderali
Oh there will be trillions of our tax dollars funding it. Billions will go to these companies so millions can be spent delivering a k or 2
silentjay01
It is if you want them to choose your project over more tried & true methods & when the U.S. government covers the difference in cost.
InsomniaOlympic
So you want to pay them in....exposure?
majorminers
Its not art. These are billion dollar companies with tech to prove.
bippityboppitybuttsex
We need a new Marshall Plan to rebuilt Ukraine... with seized Russian assets.
tentacularfleshscape
Just gotta be careful not to repeat treaty of Versailles
StarscreamAndHutch
*eastern Ukraine
DukeDarkwood
Assuming Ukraine wants it. They've got their work cut out fixing what Russia broke in THEIR lands; they can't fix what the Russians broke in
DukeDarkwood
Russia on top of that. Also, the Ukranians aren't land-devouring power-hungry warlords with delusions of tsardom.
Krakencrotch
"Assuming Ukraine wants it" Of course they don't. It's not like they fought a fucking war all year for it or anything.
DukeDarkwood
They fought a war to keep Russia out. NOT to take Russia.
SteveMND
I really do hope that will be the case, but I honestly see the situation as more of something that eventually just simmers down into the >
wilkins1952
What will happen is Russia will defend Donbas region for about 2 years and keep firing missiles into Ukrain then offer a peace treaty for it
Gvilain
they don't have that many missiles, they are already using anti air ones quite often
SteveMND
< equivalent of Afghanistan with the two sides dealing with a 20-year-long proxy war which never quite ends or changing hands, but leaving >
Jsupes
I don’t think Afghanistan would have lasted 20 years if the US had instituted a draft after the first 6 months of fighting
Fr1edToast
Just got to wait for Russia to kill 3K+ civilians in a devastating homeland attack. If only the State would allow that to happen.
MasterOdin
Afghanistan isn't as comparable as there's no nation building that needs to happen, nor a full government replacement.
BrokeMyFunnyBone
There are definitely a lot of parallels between the two, but the USSR was stronger then than Russia is now, and that 10 year proxy war broke
BrokeMyFunnyBone
them. Putin's probably not keen on repeating the same mistake, but he's also unlikely to ever admit defeat, so a long drawn out war could be
BrokeMyFunnyBone
his only choice, aside from nukes/total war.
SteveMND
< the Ukrainian people miserable, and figurately (if not literally) ground into the dust. I hope I'm wrong, though.
GadenKerensky
It's not likely to go that way. Ukraine has the backing of the West, Russia appears to be scrounging for men and resources. Furthermore, >
GadenKerensky
Afghanistan was an insurgency war. The insurgencies in Ukraine are fighting the Russians. For the Ukrainian Government. Which is still VERY>
GadenKerensky
intact. The Ukrainian military has been making pushes into Russian occupied territory. And they are motivated, they want to drive Russia >
GadenKerensky
out. Russia cannot sustain this war. Nor can Ukraine, really, but Ukraine has much better support than Russia does.