The shooting happened on November 7. No body cam footage has been released yet. A cop on paid leave is actually taking paid vacation time, even if they call it a leave. Why do cops receive time off when we would all be in jail awaiting the outcome of the investigation if it were anyone else?
It's amazing what happens when A) you have a strong union, B) every politician is scared of looking "weak on crime" by doing anything the cops don't like, and C) any member of the organization unwilling to embrace a mafia-like code of silence becomes a social pariah at best.
The officer is currently on paid suspension while the investigation into the incident finds a way to explain how the officer will not be held accountable.
So they shot the baby while in her mothers arms, then shot the mother as she reacted to her baby being killed - wtf?! How did this happen? Did they just bust through the door and start firing at anything?
"Not all cops are bad" Yeah, sure, but it Hydrogen sulfide is lethal at 500 parts per million. There's about 1 million cops in the US. You think there's less than 500 bad cops in the US?
Based on other reporting, they're probably going for the triple whammy of A) the mother was actively harming or preparing to harm the child when they entered, forcing a desperate attempt to stop her ending in tragedy, B) the husband's testimony can't be trusted due to his mental health history and C) the cam footage was corrupt or otherwise unsuitable for use.
Why do cops all over the country get to keep doing this? Name one other occupation where you could mess up catastrophically like this and the job remains the exact same as it does year after year.
There needs to be a federal shooting board for All police shootings. it’s ludicrous for the same DA and ADAs to investigate police they routinely work with, it wouldn’t be hard to accomplish. All the police shootings should be federally investigated. Buy one less fighter plane for the funds. Pres elect fat dony will of course not do a damn thing cause he thinks supporting or ignoring shooting makes him a tough guy.
This almost kind of glosses over the fact they initially bust into the wrong apartment too, with guns already drawn. They had no interest in de-escalation
No, he won’t. I’ve always been curious about the complete lack of strong community and support that white people have. There might be loud words of protest and some candlelight vigils, but that’s it. No action, no force, no persistence. Usually that type of ambivalent behavior occurs when people have something to lose.
Let's remember, these were senseless murders and I don't care if the victim was purple. I also didn't get the impression this family had "something to lose".
Reading the fathers statements, idk, their is some cognitive dissonance at play. "All I can say is she may have had a knife but I never saw one", then about the cop "he may have gotten scared." I can't understand the mind of a grieving father, but those don't sound like the words I would use.
Didn't *just* shoot the baby. They went for the headshot. A fucking infant is of no threat to anything other than your nose when they have the meat poops, fuckers can't even roll over at 2mo so they sure as hell ain't jumping in front of a bullet. That pig was aiming.
Just another thought from a 100 pound woman. Forth grade girls could beat me up. And how aggressive could she be with the her baby in her arms? Just stupid, dumb-ass murder...
The ppl that have likely spoken to him the most between the event and the interview were likely the same murderers or like a detective. Definitely not someone unbiased and likely not sitting next to his personally selected attorney.
I thought twice and thrice about posting that, because I agree with you and can't begin to put myself in a parent's position in this situation. But it struck me as odd and hadn't seen it pointed out, so I posted and here we are.
You're fine, I get it. Someone else pointed out he's probably spent a lot of time with the police and heard about the supposed knife a thousand times. I wouldn't put it past them to interrogate their victim for hours trying to trick him into statements that would exonerate the murderer.
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article295976059.html There's more to this and based on this I wouldn't be surprised if she did have a knife, that doesn't absolve the police in this but I want to see the body cam footage. I'm just not sure where this falls on the spectrum of weaponized incompetence to complete monster.
2a diehards only care about protecting their own guns. They dont care about women or children being dead.
See any school shooting or their stance on abortion. They are gullible morons that are regurgitating gun lobby bullshit from the 1960s or whenever. None of these cunts are actually organizing a proper militia.
Which is what they should be doing instead of cultivating their own private arsenals, if they actually gave half a shit about the 2a.
2A diehards dont believe in calling the police because 2A diehards understand the boot of tyranny is attached to a cop. STOP CALLING THE POLICE FOR EVERYTHING. the only thing cops bring to a situation are guns and aggression. if guns and aggression are NOT what will help you, WTF would you call them?
The only person probably going to prison is the husband for being mean to cops when he was shouting "you killed her" at them. Probably hurt those poor pigs' feelings.
Cops are in fact rarely held accountable but it’s also proven that 100% of those times relied on the event going ridiculously public. Thus the rise of everyone instinctively whipping their phones out when they see cops in the vicinity.
Having lots of people record every interaction with cops helps. A LOT! They can convince a jury that an eyewitness isn't reliable. They have a harder time when the camera shows them to be lying their ass off.
A President can't pardon a state level criminal conviction. That would require the Governor or special board or pardons/parole depending on which state. A domestic issue is a state matter.
Not likely. I’ve got a cousin serving 40 years in prison because he had some drugs in him.
There’s a cop here who broke into some dude’s apartment off duty, shot and killed him and claimed it she thought it was her apartment… and it took moving a mountain to get her 10 years in prison… and there’s a chance she won’t even serve her full 10 years.
I’m glad there are people like you left in the world. Yes, that should be the unequivocal response from every member of society no matter what they do for a living or what race they are.
lol @ someone is going to prison…. Yeah, right… it will be internally audited and they will just come out and say “our officers acted within departmental guideline…” Going to prison…
There has to be a public protest and there has to be video evidence of it. Otherwise nothing will happen yea. If there were witnesses to the crime then they are fucked. The guy who shot them will prob go to prison but the others prob wont. More then likely they will be suspended and then return to active duty.
then they will say the protesters are a woke mob trying to unjustly accuse an innocent cop who was just doing his job when a baby came for him with a deadly weapon and he had to defend himself with deadly force because he was afraid for his life.
Btw cops are going to receive even more leniency under trump. Remember the BLM protests where they were beating news correspondents and unnamed moms and teachers? Yeah it's going to be that x10
Yup, I remember when reports of an irate Trump saying “can’t you just shoot them in the legs then?” When they told him he can’t just have the protestors shot. And yet they still shot people point blank in the face with rubber bullets, blinded protestors, slashed their tires, and abducted them in unmarked vans. Can only imagine how much worse/deadly it’ll be these next 4 years…
Kerrus
SHE'S GOT A BABY! FIRE!
flordelasantillas
Shoots baby first then shoots mom! Damn, I hope the cop gets charged and convicted of murder 1. Missouri has capital punishment.
JackingMeHoff
The shooting happened on November 7. No body cam footage has been released yet. A cop on paid leave is actually taking paid vacation time, even if they call it a leave. Why do cops receive time off when we would all be in jail awaiting the outcome of the investigation if it were anyone else?
PTKrieg
It's amazing what happens when A) you have a strong union, B) every politician is scared of looking "weak on crime" by doing anything the cops don't like, and C) any member of the organization unwilling to embrace a mafia-like code of silence becomes a social pariah at best.
wkearney99
don't forget D) are willing to intimidate, assault and/or kill anyone attempting to testify against them.
JackWinchester
why...
PandaWaffleking
Because when you're an officer of the law herr jn the states murder is legal and police are just legalized gangs. Fuck the police.
BishlamekGurpgork
A child named Destiny Hope. Jesus. The fucking irony doesn't come with lube, today.
Cabreza
The cops unironically in court: “I thought the baby was a gun. Qualified immunity says I can’t be prosecuted.”
VindictiveBathToaster
The officer is currently on paid suspension while the investigation into the incident finds a way to explain how the officer will not be held accountable.
leastfourcharacters
Acab
noReallyIamPrincessBob
Un-fucking-believable.
irritabletom
BOTCHED? That's really the strongest word they could conjure up to describe a double murder?
Ru13
Some bullets were misplaced.
SansAandAnguS
So they shot the baby while in her mothers arms, then shot the mother as she reacted to her baby being killed - wtf?! How did this happen? Did they just bust through the door and start firing at anything?
Ru13
Sounds like.
badcode4o4
acab
yamamasyamaha
The baby was threatening their very lives!
SpammersAreScum
Just wait. Trump promised Federal immunity for all cops, so they can pull this shit with no consequences.
lightfoot2
Wow. Those cops need serious training. I mean they left a LIVING WITNESS?
Jandegrote
No training is going to teach you "how not to execute a 2 year old".
lightfoot2
Yeah but training can help them ensure there are no witnesses
JustLettingPeopleBeWrong
livurz
"Not all cops are bad"
Yeah, sure, but it Hydrogen sulfide is lethal at 500 parts per million. There's about 1 million cops in the US. You think there's less than 500 bad cops in the US?
Dawnbringer551
So how are the cops gonna spin the death of an infant?
PTKrieg
Based on other reporting, they're probably going for the triple whammy of A) the mother was actively harming or preparing to harm the child when they entered, forcing a desperate attempt to stop her ending in tragedy, B) the husband's testimony can't be trusted due to his mental health history and C) the cam footage was corrupt or otherwise unsuitable for use.
AZRAELSBLADE
StellaMatutina
Where's your well regulated militia? String these fuckers up
akaychattin8
Put them in jail or let the community lynch them. ACAB
akafluffy
put them in jail and tell the general populace why they're there, you'll get both pretty quick.
BigFatJuicyMonkies
Why do cops all over the country get to keep doing this? Name one other occupation where you could mess up catastrophically like this and the job remains the exact same as it does year after year.
RayneOfSalt
Republican congressman, republican senator, republican representative, republican president...
RoamingEast
basically any government job from my experience.
stayme
There needs to be a federal shooting board for All police shootings. it’s ludicrous for the same DA and ADAs to investigate police they routinely work with, it wouldn’t be hard to accomplish. All the police shootings should be federally investigated. Buy one less fighter plane for the funds. Pres elect fat dony will of course not do a damn thing cause he thinks supporting or ignoring shooting makes him a tough guy.
RabbitAndOctopus
Because you may want to read up on this, Source: https://kansascitydefender.com/justice/independence-police-kill-mother-infant/
Scar1203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImB6Hz8i1jg Edited body cam footage, doesn't include the actual shooting but yeah, there was a lot more to this.
hersheytwitch
I hated reading this the whole fucking time. Thank you for posting this, I am not being sarcastic.
Luorric
This almost kind of glosses over the fact they initially bust into the wrong apartment too, with guns already drawn. They had no interest in de-escalation
RabbitAndOctopus
And they stopped the mental-health team from going in? That's the entire point of having mental health professionals there on calls like this.
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RabbitAndOctopus
livurz
I wish I hadn't now. If those cops walk, that father is gonna vigilante...
KiddR78
I might join him. This shit broke my heart.
heroesblood
He'd have every god damned right.
charondaboatman
No, he won’t. I’ve always been curious about the complete lack of strong community and support that white people have. There might be loud words of protest and some candlelight vigils, but that’s it. No action, no force, no persistence. Usually that type of ambivalent behavior occurs when people have something to lose.
angelsword1
Let's remember, these were senseless murders and I don't care if the victim was purple. I also didn't get the impression this family had "something to lose".
MrPoodle
If the cops walk the entire community should band together and beat them to death in the streets, and make it a long painful death too.
ALLCAPSROCK
321890
Reading the fathers statements, idk, their is some cognitive dissonance at play. "All I can say is she may have had a knife but I never saw one", then about the cop "he may have gotten scared." I can't understand the mind of a grieving father, but those don't sound like the words I would use.
irrelevant18
How is the weapon thing even relevant? THEY SHOT THE BABY FIRST. They think the baby is being held hostage with a weapon, SO THEY SHOOT THE BABY?
IHaveGreatKittenRecipes
Didn't *just* shoot the baby. They went for the headshot. A fucking infant is of no threat to anything other than your nose when they have the meat poops, fuckers can't even roll over at 2mo so they sure as hell ain't jumping in front of a bullet. That pig was aiming.
CycloneSP
he could just be in shock. ppl act funny when in shock
321890
True, of course. I hesitated when I first was typing that, but it did strike me as odd.
angelsword1
Just another thought from a 100 pound woman. Forth grade girls could beat me up. And how aggressive could she be with the her baby in her arms? Just stupid, dumb-ass murder...
intherelikearmhair
The ppl that have likely spoken to him the most between the event and the interview were likely the same murderers or like a detective. Definitely not someone unbiased and likely not sitting next to his personally selected attorney.
angelsword1
Good point.
angelsword1
Not to attack you in any way, I get what you're saying. He just experienced possibly the most traumatic thing possible and he's grieving.
Nalianna
i would be too. His partner, and child are dead at the hands of police, that his mother called.
angelsword1
Oh, the mother called part... It's sad. They're supposed to be the helpers.
321890
I thought twice and thrice about posting that, because I agree with you and can't begin to put myself in a parent's position in this situation. But it struck me as odd and hadn't seen it pointed out, so I posted and here we are.
angelsword1
You're fine, I get it. Someone else pointed out he's probably spent a lot of time with the police and heard about the supposed knife a thousand times. I wouldn't put it past them to interrogate their victim for hours trying to trick him into statements that would exonerate the murderer.
Scar1203
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article295976059.html There's more to this and based on this I wouldn't be surprised if she did have a knife, that doesn't absolve the police in this but I want to see the body cam footage. I'm just not sure where this falls on the spectrum of weaponized incompetence to complete monster.
Kyzyl
I wonder where the 2A diehards will come down on this one?
Adsma2002
Fact that it's a knife, they will side with cops. If it was a gun and she was a person of color they would side with the cops.
Tumescentpie
2a diehards only care about protecting their own guns. They dont care about women or children being dead.
See any school shooting or their stance on abortion. They are gullible morons that are regurgitating gun lobby bullshit from the 1960s or whenever. None of these cunts are actually organizing a proper militia.
Which is what they should be doing instead of cultivating their own private arsenals, if they actually gave half a shit about the 2a.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
2A diehards pray for the day they can prey on people who don't love their guns.
Tumescentpie
But they are pussies and most of them would shit their pants in a real fight.
Madchant
'If the baby had a gun, they could have defended themselves'
FlintNorth44
They don't believe Sandy Hook happened. You could show them the bodies and they would still say "never happened". Evil fucks.
RoamingEast
2A diehards dont believe in calling the police because 2A diehards understand the boot of tyranny is attached to a cop. STOP CALLING THE POLICE FOR EVERYTHING. the only thing cops bring to a situation are guns and aggression. if guns and aggression are NOT what will help you, WTF would you call them?
prolorus
Fire department workers have compassion
Kyzyl
Because it seems like a good kind of tyranny to fight against.
BigIrv5151
Sorry cops. You're not going to be able to cover this one up. Somebody is going to prison.
Swedishbouldering
Probably the father
LetTheWorldBurnSinceNoOneFFFingCares
The only person probably going to prison is the husband for being mean to cops when he was shouting "you killed her" at them. Probably hurt those poor pigs' feelings.
GravyEducation
Give em the Chauvin treatment
waznewz
Wanna bet?
ChorizoPig
Where do you live? It's obviously not America.
Hatsodoom
We fucking wish.
FreshwaterViking
Just like Trump! Wait...
ExecutiveProducerWolfDyck
If nobody is willing to commit force to uphold justice, then justice will not be upheld.
hipifreq
Oh my sweet summer child...
EveryGOPAccusationIsActuallyAnAdmission
Yeah, either the scape goat cop who tries to do the right thing or the reporter who publishes the story
DrMcPoJo
Lolol you are either high or new.
tinydog
Wishful thinking. Cops will never be held accountable.
inkasep1
Cops are in fact rarely held accountable but it’s also proven that 100% of those times relied on the event going ridiculously public. Thus the rise of everyone instinctively whipping their phones out when they see cops in the vicinity.
GravyEducation
Not never, Chauvin got convicted and later stabbed a fuck ton of times in prison. It only took a global protest but it's not never
Wolfshead009
Sadly, the times they do actually face consequences are few and far between.
OhIfIMust
Well, it's up to the rest of us to help pump the numbers up: More protests and making these people uncomfortable enough to do their fucking jobs.
Wolfshead009
Having lots of people record every interaction with cops helps. A LOT! They can convince a jury that an eyewitness isn't reliable. They have a harder time when the camera shows them to be lying their ass off.
MouseKeyboard
And then immediately released when Donald Trump pardons them
Markuspsyches
Then, maybe the neighborhood should punish them instead.
Isosyn
A President can't pardon a state level criminal conviction. That would require the Governor or special board or pardons/parole depending on which state. A domestic issue is a state matter.
ministryofpeace
corndude101
Not likely. I’ve got a cousin serving 40 years in prison because he had some drugs in him.
There’s a cop here who broke into some dude’s apartment off duty, shot and killed him and claimed it she thought it was her apartment… and it took moving a mountain to get her 10 years in prison… and there’s a chance she won’t even serve her full 10 years.
They will never go after cops hard.
nickelrocket
Botham Jean murderer Amber Guyger?
corndude101
Yep.
donutposse11337
I’m glad there are people like you left in the world. Yes, that should be the unequivocal response from every member of society no matter what they do for a living or what race they are.
WrongUn
Ha! You new here?
CogPrimus
Pegaxs
lol @ someone is going to prison…. Yeah, right… it will be internally audited and they will just come out and say “our officers acted within departmental guideline…” Going to prison…
Treius
Fired from one precinct and hired in another, like nothing happened
ItsACrazyWorld
There has to be a public protest and there has to be video evidence of it. Otherwise nothing will happen yea. If there were witnesses to the crime then they are fucked. The guy who shot them will prob go to prison but the others prob wont. More then likely they will be suspended and then return to active duty.
SirBonSama
then they will say the protesters are a woke mob trying to unjustly accuse an innocent cop who was just doing his job when a baby came for him with a deadly weapon and he had to defend himself with deadly force because he was afraid for his life.
MenloPart
Frederf
Can you send taxpayer's dollars to prison?
tallyhoho
Btw cops are going to receive even more leniency under trump. Remember the BLM protests where they were beating news correspondents and unnamed moms and teachers? Yeah it's going to be that x10
lightfoot2
Of course. People wondered if they would have the courage to march in Selma. Now you get to find out
CurbYourClassWar
Yup, I remember when reports of an irate Trump saying “can’t you just shoot them in the legs then?” When they told him he can’t just have the protestors shot. And yet they still shot people point blank in the face with rubber bullets, blinded protestors, slashed their tires, and abducted them in unmarked vans. Can only imagine how much worse/deadly it’ll be these next 4 years…
Wolfshead009
And celebrating when the US Marshalls gunned down a man in what witnesses described as a "gangland execution".