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that's a good boy
Nov 26, 2016 2:00 PM
agiantblackman
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dontmagpie
the ADA doesnt issue certification for ESA or SD. this is a scam
theshoeminator
Please note the "public access & entry REQUESTED", not REQUIRED, because ESA's are NOT service animals
AmphibiousCatfish
Hey dude!!! *scruffles head*
agiantblackman
woof!
Galgarak
I remember when I trained my first seizure dog I was so proud of her. Great companions
agiantblackman
they really are!
LaughingCowWearingAMumu
I would love stories about training for that. Just saying! :)
FurbySavant
I'd hate to burst your bubble, but on the ada.gov faqs they tell you there's no such thing as a registry and any site claiming to be one 1/2
FurbySavant
is actually a fraud. So you just paid all that money for something that won't stand up in federal court, to a charlatan.
agiantblackman
yeah read the other comments, i'm aware of that
FurbySavant
Hey, at least you got your doctor's letter. Still happy you have your ESD. Looks like a good dog. Good dog!
agiantblackman
he's such a good boy, couldn't have asked for a better best friend
IamHavingALoveAffairWithThisIceCreamSandwich
My brother had a traumatic brain injury when his Humvee went over an IED. He has a letter from the VA for his "companion dog."
agiantblackman
dogs help so many people! we really don't deserve dogs. it's a shame these people need to grill me instead of focusing on my furry lifeline
IamHavingALoveAffairWithThisIceCreamSandwich
It's okay, OP. I'd expect nothing less from people on the internet.
hotdogtime
So did you see a psychiatrist for this or just buy it online?
agiantblackman
and then i bought the ID online because it's cute, but it really holds no legitimacy. but yes, my actual doctor wrote me a note.
agiantblackman
i saw a psychiatrist.
scotbot6
Where can I go to school to become an emotional support dog?
lestrat
NaughtButAMadManWalksAlone
Three panel soul is a fun one.
FuzzyWumpit
Hey I'm from NH! I feel a need to say this any time I see my underwhelming state on imgur :D
incorporeal5
Good job Vince.
hackller
and i just need the security number off the back please!
agiantblackman
lmao enough
Risqie
I work in the hotel industry and I see these abused for shitty little yappers more often than not.
Fonzanoon
Vince!
snaffleplayz
I don't care if this ESA thing is real. I have PTSD and can't afford a service dog. Having this card and my dog has saved my life.
dontmagpie
@OP, care to explain why you are not disabled or entitled to the protections of the ADA, but youre trying to scam the system anyway?
FlyingTigerRose
And how do you know that? Do you know OP personally?
agiantblackman
since you know so much about my medical history i guess i don't need to explain anything :)
dontmagpie
i know how the ADA works, i know what a SD is required to do and have, i know what an ESA is required to do and have. im a dog breeder.
agiantblackman
being a dog breeder doesnt mean you know shit, and if you bothered to read any of my comments, i know the ID isnt required
nipplepanties
"Entry Requested".
agiantblackman
he is not a service animal
crazyhornedlizardlady
Ignore the hate @OP congrats on your ESA. Its amazing how much having your furry friend can help you deal mentally. ♡
GeneraloftheObvious
I'm so happy for you! For others, please see the term "requested" (means you can be denied)
agiantblackman
thank you!
theelvesoflothlorien
Vinnie! Hey Vinnie! Come over here a minute, I got somebody who knows you!
ByzantineMan
I'm glad you got your dog certified and all, but please don't be one of those people who uses this to take the dog into places dogs don't go
agiantblackman
i only take him places that allow ESAs or any dog!
TexanSailor
So as long as the dog is well trained. If I see a dog take a giant shit in Walmart, at that point I am 99% sure it's a scam service animal.
3tothetree
That's the thing, emotional support animals aren't trained. So have fun with that on an airplane while it's scared to death and shits on you
agiantblackman
i don't take him on planes
3tothetree
I was talking in general. Didn't refer to you
maythedoctorbewithyou
Emotional Support animals aren't service dogs as they're untrained. The only rights they have pertain to housing laws.
SexDrugsBirdsandRocknRoll
And some transport rights I think too. Taking them on busses and things.
maythedoctorbewithyou
I believe it only applies to airline travel and even then you must inform the airlines & turn in forms prior to arrival, unlike Service dogs
3tothetree
I know charter buses dont allow ESA's. The vet I work at just boarded a cat classified as an ESA cuz it couldn't go on the bus w/owner.
timeloveandyarn
Congratulations, you bought a worthless card with your dog's picture on it. Emotional support dogs are NOT service animals and have no 1/
agiantblackman
i don't use this to get him into public places asshat, and if you read any of my comments i know the ID is not legitimate, i have a doc note
timeloveandyarn
rights to public access. Using this card to get your dog into public places is a CRIME.
redjay12
A certified emotional support animal had access to apartment buildings, flights, public buildings (like at a public U), etc.
timeloveandyarn
Only with a letter from a mental health professional. There is no "certification" for emotional support animals or service animals.
redjay12
A therapy animal gets certification to be used in hospitals, group therapy, etc by organizations. Emotional support don't need certification
redjay12
Uh for sure service animals need certification and the training costs 10,000+ THERAPY, for hospitals etc, do. Emotional support no
timeloveandyarn
Nope. It's in the Americans With Disabilities Act. Service animals need only be trained to assist a person with a disability there's no 1/
timeloveandyarn
Training can cost $$$ but not always. It's actually in the laws that a person can train their own service dog and many do. The really 1/
crazyhornedlizardlady
If you read OPs other comments you'd realize they actually have a doctors note and are very well aware of the worthlessness of the card. 1/2
crazyhornedlizardlady
So maybe you shouldnt be so quick to assume OP is going to commit a crime and actually do need their pet for ES. Which is gives them 2/3
crazyhornedlizardlady
Rights to housing and airplane flights and that is protected by law. 3/3
realwomenfightnaked
I see lots of people do this, hope your dog is actualy trained to help otherwise its just abusing the system :^( cute pup tho!
agiantblackman
ESAs don't need any training. they are not service dogs and are purely for providing emotional support. and i do have conditions he helps w/
realwomenfightnaked
ESA need to be able to be calm in public and be a good dog otherwise you will be revoked for bad behavior. Just be aware (1/2)
realwomenfightnaked
Im not hating or saying youre not valid but its getting strict since people muck up the system for free flights and stupid reasons. (2/2)
agiantblackman
i know, he's an absolute mush and loves everybody so no worries about behavior! got him trained right away
awesnaps
Ada.gov states in Q17 that no identification for the service animal is required and and Q5 states professional training is not required
BunnyliciousBubblegum
ESA's can be great for actual problems, as long as you have a doctor's note then good for you and your happy puppy.
agiantblackman
thank you!
dontmagpie
you dont have a disability @OP, stop trying to scam the system.
BunnyliciousBubblegum
You do not have to have a physical disability to have an ESA. ESA stands for EMOTIONAL service animal. It's used for anxiety, ptsd, whatever
dontmagpie
no it isnt. it can be mental or physical. its basically for a SD that isnt public access trained. they still have to do a task.
BunnyliciousBubblegum
They are there for comfort. Do some research, they need no training.
BunnyliciousBubblegum
It's not your right to say what someone does and does not have, OP says he has a doctor's not, so he has a problem.
dontmagpie
he also paid money for a scam fake card using the ADAs name illegally, and for some reason his doctor didnt tell him he doesnt need to
truthsmiles
My coworker got this for their dog so they could take him anywhere. Anyway aren't ALL dogs for 'emotional support' to some degree?
Eskandar
The ADA's vagueness allows people to abuse the laws therein, ruining service/support animals for people that need it. This is the result.
dontmagpie
its a scam and not legally binding. its basically a waste of money. there is no certification for ESA
tropicalsunfish
If you read previous comments before opening your mouth op says s/he has a legit doc note and got the card for fun
dontmagpie
i saw that, and i still call bullshit. nobody goes out and gets a fake ID and tries to use that when they have a real DMV issued one
tropicalsunfish
She's not trying to go out and get special treatment everywhere... She gave the letter so the dog can live in the dorm and the card for fun
Foopfoop
You can buy the cards on Amazon
dontmagpie
theyre not legally binding and are basically worthless. theyre like a fake ID you get from the shady guy at the corner store
agiantblackman
of course, i just wanted him to be able to live with me at college lol
bawtzki
You. I like you. My kind of dog owner. High five!
Thetruthmakesmesad
The first honest Esa user
dontmagpie
what you are doing is illegal, and this card is a scam and means nothing. you wasted your money on nothing.
tropicalsunfish
No, op has a legitimate doctor's note. That's not illegal.
Mavis2112
Thanks for abusing the system asshole.
agiantblackman
it's not abusing the system if i have a legitimate need, asshole.
imapencil
You just said that the only reason was so that you can bring him to college
agiantblackman
the reason i got him registered was so i could do that. i was agreeing that EVERY animal provides emotional support.
tropicalsunfish
It's not. You have to have proof for college dorms so OP got the card for proof, and because s/he has a need. Fuck off.
tropicalsunfish
And more importantly OP has a note. From a mental health professional. Stating need. My doc said i could benefit from ESA too, I got a cat
LessThanLucky
But the card is a scam not proof. Card will get you nowhere legitimate and takes advantage. Letter is a whole different ball game.
tropicalsunfish
Op said yes the card was for fun but that they have a letter. Also not many people would question a card
timeloveandyarn
That's not how it works. You need to present a letter from a mental health professional. This card is meaningless
mdzmdz
@op could just show them how much they bite their nails
agiantblackman
i dont bite my nails i had nail polish on and scratched it off
agiantblackman
i know. i have a letter from my psychiatrist that i see. the card was cute. i bought it. i understand it holds no legitimacy.
dontmagpie
bullshit
agiantblackman
i'm not even feeding into your trolling anymore since you must have some deep unresolved issues. i can refer you to my psychiatrist.
Greymalum
isn't that abuse of a system to help those in need?
ofthelathetheswarf
Aww, do you not feel like a unique special snowflake anymore?
constamoz
Not if his purpose at college is emotional support.
dontmagpie
yes it is
AnEvenDirtierSmellierHippy
It's like medical marijuana.
Thetruthmakesmesad
Yep
csharp10
Your query is an oxymoron. How is that abuse if its the hel they needed?
Greymalum
I have friends and myself who need service dogs, we can get some real hell trying to live with them in our apartments, we can't always 1/2
Greymalum
have a home we own. College kids count too, people who abuse the system sometimes get caught and make the rest of us look bad and may take2/
HeyCopernicus
Yes
owlness
Shut up. Abuse of a system is people falsely claiming to have dyslexia "so i can get a free laptop lol". This is perfectly reasonable.
Greymalum
Have a wondrous day!
owlness
I would have benefited from having an ESA at college, unfortunately there's little infrastructure for them here so... Panic disorder sucks
dontmagpie
you dont get to decide what is legal and what isnt. abusing the protection of the ADA is illegal.
owlness
A) Not American. B) I'm aware that dogs can be used by fradulent assholes. But most people do have them for genuine reasons.
agiantblackman
i have a doctor's note so no?
Greymalum
But you don't have a physical need? Like previous massive trauma that forces one into panic attacks, their dog is their saftey net.
Bellamortis
This is a very personal question. If someone said they had cancer and made light of smoking weed or something would you be grilling them?
agiantblackman
do you need to know my fuckin medical history lmao chill, i don't need to explain myself to people of imgur
dontmagpie
no you dont. if you had a doctors letter, you would also know that you dont need a fake card, because your dr would have told you
agiantblackman
lmao so now you're going to tell me i don't have a doctor's note? you have an extra chromosome or something?
afallowdoe
You replied to @op are kind of in a confusing order, but the ID isn't claiming the dog is a service dog. It says ESD and is part of ADA.
BunnyliciousBubblegum
You can't actually take ESA's anywhere They can live anywhere with you and go on a plane for free but they can't go to restaurants or stores
AssimilateIntelligence
Unless you're in Germany than they can go pretty much everywhere with you
BunnyliciousBubblegum
Source: I've been researching certifying my dog for my anxiety when I move out. She helps me stay calm.
whovianspartans
That's one thing I learned as a new puppy trainer. There is a difference between "service dog" & "emotional support" dog
BunnyliciousBubblegum
Exactly If someone says they can bring their ESA anywhere they're lying and taking advantage of your ignorance or they're ignorant themself
MyLifeisaComplicatedDrinkingGame
But i thought you're not allowed to ask what type of service dog it is, or are ESA's different than "service dogs?"
crazyhornedlizardlady
You can ask if its a service dog and what tasks its been trained to perform. Thats straight from the ADA.
BunnyliciousBubblegum
They are different. And you can't ask what they're for, but you can still ask if it's a service dog or ESA I think, not 100% sure.
flippywizgig
You can ask if it's a service dog and what service it's providing.
kraeftig
Generally you can ask if it's a service animal, and then doctor verification of use in treatment, but not specification of disability /tasks
corditedelite
Depends on state
weliveinaspaceshipdear
A service dog must perform 3 disability mitigating tasks. Emotional support animals are not service dogs.
Chloe0o0o0o
Interesting, but what about seizure dogs who just smell seizures and comfort. That's only two?
weliveinaspaceshipdear
I pointed out in another comment I'm wrong--a service dog is LEGALLY required to perform ONE disability mitigating tasks, but most...
agiantblackman
ESAs are not service dogs, and can't be taken into any public places, but for housing they have to be allowed to live anywhere. that's all.
MyLifeisaComplicatedDrinkingGame
So an ESA can get you past a hotel/condo/landlords "no pets policy?" Or is it only for colleges?
agiantblackman
it is not only for colleges, i'm not sure about hotels but i do know you cannot be denied housing under the equal opportunity housing act
septillion
Don't you mean private places? I feel like all dogs can be taken to public places, e.g. parks
agiantblackman
yeah, i worded that weird but i just meant they cant be taken every single place service dogs are allowed because they are different
weliveinaspaceshipdear
Emotional support dogs are not service dogs and are not granted them same access. A service dog must perform 3 disability mitigating tasks.
dontmagpie
no they dont. there is no number. you have to be disabled, the dog has to assist. thats it. period. fin.
weliveinaspaceshipdear
You're right. Legally, one mitigating task is required. Most private agencies require 3.
kraeftig
And in a legal battle, the task has to be clearly a task the owner is not able to perform themselves during the disability situations.
kraeftig
So "carries my medicine around in a satchel" is not a task. "Fetches medicine from cabinet at other end of house when I collapse" is.
polkaspot36
You know a lot of places can see through those scams right? You just because you paid for the fake doctor letter and the fake dog id
iwishiwasbored
It's literally against the law to not accept an emotional support animal, it's in the fair housing act.
FurbySavant
It's in the fair housing act and you can take your animal on airplanes, but unless it's a service animal, it can't go in all public places.
agiantblackman
i paid for the fake ID, but my doctor letter is real
Brosius
Same mostly because many apartments require it
Dani3113
Don't see why this is getting downvoted. This is a good idea. I have a doc note too but the card is handy bc people are dumb.
agiantblackman
thank you lmao
Alyssandre
Where'd you get the ID? We need one, because we aren't going to be carrying around her 8x10 certification everywhere lol
polkaspot36
So then you don't need the fake I'd if you have a real doctors letter
agiantblackman
i know, my mom told me to get one and i told her that the IDs are bs but whatever, at least it made for a cute picture
crazyhornedlizardlady
Sometimes it just easier to flash the id than dig through your purse for a page long note about your problems and why you need an ESA.
menudobear
There are no instances when you would need this readily unless you're using it to gain public access. Or you're boarding flights twice/day
crazyhornedlizardlady
I mean for housing or for flying once a year. I dont want me landlord to know I battle depression because of my moms suicide and thats all 1
OhSquigglyLine
Sorry, but this is worthless. There are actual service animals that need to be allowed to enter public places. ESAs are not service animals.
agiantblackman
never said they were? and in no way did i call him a service animal
OhSquigglyLine
They pose a risk to actual service animals since they do not require training. I had a 'support animal' growl at an actual service dog 1/2
OhSquigglyLine
in my store and his tried to play it off. Service dogs are expensive and require tons of training. They are there to perform a task. 2/2
agiantblackman
i know what a service dog is
OhSquigglyLine
So why buy a fake ID when you know your dog isn't allowed the same rights as a service animal?
agiantblackman
if you'd bother to read my other comments you wouldn't be asking. i'm not explaining myself anymore. carry on with your day keyboard warrior