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qqkikilicious
Need to remember to read twitter posts from bottom to up.
squirrelfury
My 1st response to basically every news story these days is to burst into laughter, then have a sobering moment as I remember I live here.
literallymike
Don Jr. released them to be transparent. What a stand-up guy!
JustDaShoemaker
https://youtu.be/anAYFvvYO40
imshibagel
BUT THE EMAILS.
Xeroblaz
I read son and thought of the anime loving Barron Trump and couldn't believe it. Glad I thought wrong
TheMiseryOfOthersMakesMeHappy
For those of you brainwashed by all this nonsense. The meeting lasted 20 minutes, nothing about the election was discussed, and it wasn't
TheMiseryOfOthersMakesMeHappy
illegal for Trump Jr. to meet with a Russian lawyer not affiliated with the Russian government. It's time to move on people.
Jastaxor
I hate how you have to read twitter backwards. Stupid af.
Noblert
Oddly placed complaint
indiehedgehog
I didn't even notice
WontSomeonePleaseThinkOfTheChildren
I guarantee you Mueller and the FBI are most certainly NOT laughing.
PaulUm
They maybe are a little, they're bound to be even just a little bit pissed off about the whole Comey thing.
Keru
as a friend put it "Somewhere, Mueller is just going "Make it a fucking challenge, man...""
obviouslyrob
Laughing to stifle tears is a thing.
ohdued
He underestimated the stupidity of an idiot.
JustDaShoemaker
iamjackscompletelackofcompassion
This is so sad and funny. I watched it unfold in real time on twitter
Spamburgler
SongBird1912
This is honestly hilarious.
strugglesnuggler
Russia's been (unproven) dabbling with cyberterrorism as Ukraine all too well knows. Electron fraud is not unbelievable.
neil137
exactly how close are we to being able to get rid of him?
Noblert
Not close
GasBandit
He's like a buggy whip salesman who just saw his best customer drive by in a Model T
mistermichigan
"smoking gun" - lol. As much of a buffoon as Trump is, this whole Russia thing is a huge nothing burger.
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TheMayorOfTittyCity
It is the new dumb thing trump supporters are saying. Like 'libtard'. It indicates incredulity and strong political bias.
FoxGodRecords
It just struck me as odd that I had ne-heh-ver heard it before and then suddenly 2 commenters use it on the same post. Seemed … coincidental
obviouslyrob
At least it's not lowkey ableist. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
FoxGodRecords
Well, take the improvement where we can, I guess? :/
Gulch1969
Yet not one person is curious as to what the dirt on Hillary is. All they care about is making Trump look bad.
PharmaKarma
1/2 Well the official position Trump Jr. et al are taking is that this lawyer never provided any evidence on Clinton. They claim they....
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
democratic election. What Hillary did does not, at this point in history, fucking matter.
Cptmike
elections over you clown
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
Hillary isn't the president of the united states, and isn't accused of collaborating with a foreign power to effect the outcome of a
JustDaShoemaker
Nor did she ask a hostile foreign government to interfere on her behalf during an election
PharmaKarma
2/2 ...talked to her, realized she knew nothing but was just there to push an agenda. So the concern is what the pretext of the meeting was.
TheMayorOfTittyCity
Why would anyone care about Hillary?
arqtype
LOL. DT Jr's defense is this wasn't (illegal) campaign help from Russia because there WAS no dirt on Hillary. If there was dirt, he's toast.
SadCannibalNoises
The "dirt" on Hillary was the dumped emails...which ended up being nothing much.
grrzbr
But did he break the law? Did Trump break the law?
FoxGodRecords
From the millisecond he took the oath. Emoluments, baby. But the (R)s in congress are pussies. So is "But I'm under audit" Fearless Leader.
Cptmike
yes
OdeToBouncer
11 CFR 110.20 A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value...
FoxGodRecords
Plus, it's not the crime that's the crime, it's the cover-up that's the crime. Ask Nixon, ask Bill. It's always the cover-up.
grrzbr
Hillary did the same.
NocturnalGreed
HILLARY ISN'T THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF FUCKING AMERICA. TRUMP IS. Stop comparing them, the election ended.
zenton
And? If they both did it during the election then it shouldn't matter who won. Both are guilty. I would have it if they sides were switched
obviouslyrob
What Clinton did or didn't do is 100% irrelevant to this conversation.
grrzbr
I find it relevant that people are blindly ignoring what she has done. Also the fact that this whole issue is irrelevant to Trump and Russia
FunshineBear
Wait, are you saying that the email about Trump's campaign and Russia is irrelevant to Trump and Russia? Just to clarify...
obviouslyrob
What a private citizen may or may not have done has nothing to do with what the highest public servant in the country has or hasn't done.
AnneFranklyMyDearIDontGiveADamn
You know that you don't have to bring up Hillary any time someone says something about Trump, right?
grrzbr
Well why isn't she being prosecuted for the same stuff?
DavidBrooker
Are you asking why the legal issues of a private citizen is less newsworthy than those of the First Family?
AnneFranklyMyDearIDontGiveADamn
Can't speak to that as I haven't seen any evidence (or accusations beyond yours) of such collusion occurring during her campaign.
obviouslyrob
She's not president, as Trump and his supporters are vegan-esque in reminding everyone else.
TGWeaver
Really looking forward to seeing Republicans shift directly into "they're just emails, emails don't matter".
sildraug
Both major parties since 2015: "Informational security is only important when the other guys don't do it."
mcupobob
I dont like the democrats but the Republican party and their conservative cultist are dangerous to America. Its time from them to grow up.
Youareobscure
then hold both of them accountable so that both of them stop
TGWeaver
Yeah, I wonder why Hillary was never investigated for this stuff! You'd think someone would have looked into that.
TGWeaver
Months after the election, in the wake of open confession, we're STILL getting "B-B-B-BUT HILLARY!!!" Fucking incredible.
sildraug
That wasn't really my intent, but I get how it may have come across that way. Just observation how both don't seem to care about infosec.
TGWeaver
I didn't mean to say it was your approach, just segueing that this is the overall response on Imgur. I blame the char. limit for ambiguity.
TGWeaver
That said, I think there's a pretty huge gulf between what Clinton did and what Trump's administration did here. Not really equitable.
WarpPig
Narrative is: It's legal.
CoBr2
It's illegal, but not normally prosecuted when only done to this degree. At least based on article I read.
WarpPig
over on r/neutralpolitics they had a really good discussion going, you may be right, and it also may be legal depending on things. We'll see
CoBr2
Yeah, honestly the bigger issue is that Kushner didn't disclose it and all the statements made under oath about no contact.
WarpPig
Agreed. Pretty sure Kushner's in the most trouble over this.
SadCannibalNoises
They're already saying it isn't a big deal to meet with a hostile government intent on undermining our elections in order to profit.
ShootYourGooMyDude
Actually these e-mails probably don't actually matter. The collusion they're accusing him of was intended for financial contribution 1/X
ShootYourGooMyDude
or specifically "contribution, financial or otherwise", otherwise seemingly meaning gifts or free media coverage, et cetera. What they 2/X
ShootYourGooMyDude
were actually offering was supposedly evidence of misconduct. If you were to stretch "otherwise" to cover this, they could argue that 3/4
ShootYourGooMyDude
Hillary did the same with the Ukraine, where the Ukraine helped members of Hillary's team research info on Trump. Both are foreign entities.
AncientSeraph
I don't agree with it not being of value, but I see your point with the equivalency to other foreign information. Still, the fact that it
TheTastiestTampon
As a history scholar, I take solace in the fact that Trump's popular legacy a hundred years from now will likely be utter shit.
magundi
I hope so. I'm so embarrassed by him...sorry world.
krapmyself
America probably won't exist in a 100 years. Likely we'll fall into another civil war by then and end up as two or more countries.
TheTastiestTampon
That's prognostication, so no way to know. However, I know how historians treat men like Trump, so it's an educated guess.
MaryNoonan1967
History is written by the winners. So much of what we've actually been taught is utter shit. So this will be no big deal.
PenisShapedPoops
Sure cause there's literally no U.S. presidents we look down on, right?
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
Keep thinking that.
TheTastiestTampon
He might be no big deal in history text books. Which is even better, because he wants to be.
johnnyunlikely
If we only knew exactly how bad it would get…
metasheep
Twitter won't be the sword that someone used to slay Trump. It will be the sword he fell on.
Imthedroidyouwerelookingfor
A 100? Hahahahaha! His legacy is shit right now! Lowest approval rating of any President in the first 6 months.
Kignite
Uh what about William Henry Harrison I'm pretty sure no one approved of him dying a month into office... what a slacker amirite???
TheTastiestTampon
Reputation in contemporary time is far different from legacy. Legacy, for historians, is what happens generations after you die.
JackHarknessNerdySidekick
Like the mutated survivors of the coming nuclear apocalypse will have history books
TheThingNoNotThatOne
100? Try 20. Look at Nixon.
Tomb66
not too closely, or you might think he was Okay. Ended 'Nam, Did the EPA thing, HMO's, etc. The Reganites seem ready to forgive Watergate.
TheThingNoNotThatOne
War on drugs, ended 'Nam only because Kissinger extended it until after his election so he'd get the credit, general racism/bigotry
Tomb66
I didn't say I bought the historical revisionism, just warned it was there :)
Ralter3
And all that crack, don't forget all that crack.
shadowex3
People are laughing because they know you have to hang hillary to get to trump. If what he did was "treason" what's selling them uranium?
Cptmike
you do not have all the information on any of the subjects you just mentioned
obviouslyrob
What Clinton did or didn't do is 100% irrelevant to this conversation. She as Trump and his supporters constantly remind us isn't president.
grumio
It's relevant because the "fire" is what the trump campaign was trying to get from Russia and what they agreed to give.
grumio
Aiding Russia in tampering w/our election is treason. Accepting info about opponent breaking the law is not treason. Need more facts.
zenton
What she did or didn't do can be relevant. If you can show she did something similar and got a pass, then that also applies to the otherside
obviouslyrob
Private citizens are very different from public ones, never mind the highest public office available in this country.
zenton
The issue is a number the the things that she did was while she was holding office that people have questioned and it was totally alright/1
zenton
At that time but now it's not when the Other side does it. And when there is an example given the excuse is that she doesn't hold office now
Tunisia
Er... not treason?
shadowex3
If merely talking to russians or doing business with them is treason, then so is selling them uranium.
BaconFuzz
Idc about treason, but accepting information from a foreign official breaks election laws.
Tunisia
Recommended reading: http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/ , and also, 'doing business' is not the same as (1)
Tunisia
a candidate knowingly colluding with a foreign power to change the course of an election. (2)
shadowex3
https://medium.com/@amuse/why-you-shouldnt-trust-snopes-for-political-fact-checking-a71f60aaf6d7
Tunisia
Which bits of the snopes article are factually incorrect, then? Specifically Clinton not being that responsible for the deal and not (1)
rabiddutchman
Working with a foreign government to sway an election: I'm not a legal expert, but it seems like a no-no
shadowex3
Like I said: Then selling them the shit used to make nuclear weapons would clearly be an even bigger deal.
rabiddutchman
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/
taliesingarland
Not really, or do you not understand the difference between trading and fraud?
DavidBrooker
The sale of Uranium One gave Russia access to revenues related to the sale of uranium. It did not give them access to the material itself.
DavidBrooker
Okay, what I'm about to say is pedantic, but I have a lot of friends who work in the Canadian uranium industry, so this annoys me. First 1/n
DavidBrooker
Uranium One is a Canadian company, not an American company, so the US mines were already in foreign hands. Secondly, the US is already 2/n
DavidBrooker
dependent on foreign uranium supplies (mainly from Canada and Australia), because its domestic supply is very modest. The US uranium 3/n
DavidBrooker
supply is of less strategic importance than that of its close allies; most uranium used in American weapons is mined in Canada, which 4/n
DavidBrooker
(Also most uranium used in American nuclear reactors, civil and military, but that seems to scare people less)
DavidBrooker
retains domestic political control over its supply. The Canadian government controls exports of its uranium, regardless of the owner 5/n
NocturnalGreed
That always bothers me about trump and his supporters, still talk as though hillary is still competition. He still says shit like 1
NocturnalGreed
Paraphrasing here, "You media accuse me of all of this, but look at crooked hillary". Like fuck off. You're the president, she lost. 2
NocturnalGreed
Stop comparing yourself to someone you already beat. It's proof that he realizes he's only an option, when backlit by Hillary Clinton.
shadowex3
Because the other side is still talking about somehow installing her in government.
TheMayorOfTittyCity
I have not heard her mentioned since her concession speech. Only trump supporters talk about her.
shadowex3
You haven't been paying attention then
TheMayorOfTittyCity
I don't know, I listen to a1-2 hours of news every day religiously and talk politics at work and she has never come up except by Trump.
TheMayorOfTittyCity
I am actually interested in this. I have not heard anything about that but I do not watch TV so I could have missed it. Can you link it?
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
No, we aren't. But keep sucking daddy donalds dick, you pathetic fucking enabler.
shadowex3
I voted bernie genius
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
Unlikely.
redsalmon
No one is still talking about Hillary for anything. Stop. Your boy fucked up and fathered a twit.
shadowex3
I voted bernie genius.
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
Doubtful.
TheMayorOfTittyCity
Calling your fellow Americans "the other side" is deeply disheartening. I hope you haven't really been convinced of that.
shadowex3
What's deeply disturbing is violent mobs beating people to the point of hospitalizing them just for attending a trump rally
shadowex3
That IS the "other side".
realspice
My friend needs a refresher on what happened
TGWeaver
DJT, Jr., Kushner, and Manafort met with a Russian lawyer w/ties to the Kremlin who promised them damaging info on the Clinton campaign.
SpaceSpeed
1) It potentially shows a few things; knowledge by Trump campaign in June 2016 that Russia was actively supporting candidate Trump
LinearAlgebro
2/2 demonstrated by electing him using the system that is outlined in the Constitution
dogeempire
He lost the popular vote by a very wide margin...claiming that Americans got their choice is fundamentally flawed.
LinearAlgebro
choice, you just don't like it
LinearAlgebro
no fucking shit he lost the popular vote. But as I stated, he won using the system outlined by our constitution. They definitely got their
OdeToBouncer
DTjr just admitted that the campaign knew the Russian gov't was trying to give them dirt on Clinton. He had no problem with this.
SpaceSpeed
3) Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner were invited to and attended a meeting with a "Russian gov't lawyer" who was to provide dirt on Clinton
SpaceSpeed
4) Could to lead to charges of conspiracy to commit election fraud or conspiracy to obtain info from foreign adversary, more evidence needed
TheYoungGod
Russia wanted trump to win. Offered Junior some steamy tidbits about Hillary. Junior was lovin it like McDicks. Now the question is really,
TheYoungGod
Whether that is illegal or not. Doesn't prove collusion regarding the Russian hacking. Some people are quoting financial contribution law...
TheYoungGod
As in foreign parties aren't supposed to contribute to us campaigns. I'm doubtful this counts though. Honestly it's gonna be a whole lot of
TheYoungGod
Nothing in the end. Trump was slimy. Hillary was too. I'm pretty confident both were careful enough to avoid breaking any laws outright.
ForbinDallas
Jesus fucking Christ. Open any news website. Turn on any news station.
SpaceSpeed
2) Donald Trump Jr was told opposition information was being offered by Russian gov't agent and was willing to accept that.
LinearAlgebro
apparently the fact that some Russians wanted Trump to win takes away from the fact that Americans also wanted him to win, which they 1/2
Attheendofthedayitiswhatitis
The fact is that the entire Tramp family and everyone in the White House is a bunch of lying sacks of shit!
schizznatt
It clearly states that the Russian govt was willing to give incriminating evidence against Clinton to help Trump. And DJT gladly accepted.
LinearAlgebro
k? How the incriminating evidence was obtained is more important than the fact that she did something to warrant incriminating evidence?
schizznatt
And I quote: “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”
ShootYourGooMyDude
Russian lawyer approached Trump Jr. saying they have evidence Hillary engaged in misconduct. They're spinning this as "this is foreign 1/X
ShootYourGooMyDude
contribution/collusion". In reality, Ukraine did the same with Hillary where they helped research info on Trump to see his misconducts. 2/X
ShootYourGooMyDude
The law says a campaign cannot receive "contributions", financial or otherwise. They're saying this counts as "otherwise" but in that 3/4
ShootYourGooMyDude
sense, almost any interaction with any foreign government is then collusion. They're clearly putting more emphasis than is warranted imo 4/4
TheLeftPocket
Donald Trump Jr tweeted an email that seemed to accuse himself of meeting with who he thought was a Russian official for information 1/2
davernow
"seem to accuse" is inaccurate. He welcomed Russian government help winning the election with the phrase "I love it" and setup a meeting.
AnneFranklyMyDearIDontGiveADamn
The email is also important because it references Russia's support of and potential efforts to aid in Trump's campaign.
AnatomicalMouse
Email was also forwarded to Kushner and Manafort, who dont express any surprise as all, seemingly implying this had happened before
TheLeftPocket
that would be very valuable to put down Hillary and ruin her chances of winning. Thats how I understand it at least 2/2
PaperCl1p
He never thought it was a Russian official. No one has even claimed that.
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
Keep drinking that koolaid sweetheart.
TGWeaver
Russian Lawyer with close ties to the Kremlin.
PaperCl1p
You can read what you just said, right? Not. An. Official.
QuadrumanousCuddler
As it turns out, there wasn't really any information and Hillary didn't need any help to lose the election.
naikou
"Look, that guy was dying of cancer anyway, so it's cool that I murdered him, right?"
QuadrumanousCuddler
"Look, I've got nothing intelligent to add, so its cool that I manufacture an unrelated scenario and pretend it's relevant, right?"
SinisterStingray
My friend wants to know if this is a crime
PoweredbyOSengine
It was also mostly bullshit information. Don't know if that matters.
khazaria
Don't forget they lied about this, which for Kushner at least, is a crime.
antillesw1
It is very much a crime. It proves collusion and is hopefully treason.
CoBr2
It could be considered solicitation so yes, but it's a rarely prosecuted crime. Bigger issue is Kushner lied on security clearance
aeonblue08
According to most lawyers, no.
bingbangboomhamburgertime
Yep, think so. Apparently just trying to solicit information of that nature from a foreign national is illegal during a campaign
DaringNobody
It is not. The law requires it to be a monetary transaction. If it was, then Hillary is guilty of the same crime with Ukrainian nationals.
TheLeftPocket
Since it wasn't actually a Russian official im not sure. The intention might be illegal though. Guess we have to wait and see
IconicNebula
Nothing illegal. It said they claimed to have evidence hillary accepted bribes, and they offered it to him.
Isthe4thtimethecharm
But daddy could always pardon him if he is convicted. Or at least as far as I understand.
InfamousGerbil
No private information was exchanged. Trump Jr. and his actions have no official relationship to President Trump's campaign. Not illegal.
solipsist2501
Treason?
DavidBrooker
Treason has a pretty specific definition in the United States, and might not even be possible during peacetime. That doesn't mean it 1/2
solipsist2501
Fucking Trump haters down voting me, if you vote hard enough I'll dedicate myself to being the most downvoted by hating your punk pres
HighPriestessofSoFrickingTired
Treason.
Grandmastersexy
Except it was a Russian lawyer without any connection to the government that he met with. The lawyer said he had dirt on Hillary. As /1
TheMayorOfTittyCity
Does is matter that the emails cite her as "The Russian Government attorney"?
schizznatt
The emails clearly state that the Russian government is offering evidence to incriminate Hilary in support of Trump's candidacy.
schizznatt
And I quote: “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”
ActualNine
"There is no such position as crown prosecutor of Russia." he was lead to believe head meet an official that doesn't actually exist
evengar
The writer of the email was British and most likely used the term he knew best
schizznatt
I quote: “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”
Grandmastersexy
Anyone would in a presidential race would do, he tried to get this dirt, but it turned out to be nothing of use./2
ThisAnalrapistneedsANuStart
Al Gore didn't when he was offered.
Tk842
She, the lawyer, never corresponded as I can tell. A brit wrote the emails and got a meeting under false pretenses.
JohnnyCashedOut
But Trump Jr, as well as others on the campaign team, sure was thirsty for that meeting... from what I can tell.
CwmMakesPeopleCryInScrabble
The comment says "who he thought was..."
JohnnyCashedOut
Doesn't have to be successful for it to be collusion
LCPLunderground
Exactly! If I try to hire a hitman, but the "hit man" is really an undercover cop, I'm still guilty of solicitation to commit murder.